Poll of the Day > Are insects vegan?

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Revelation34 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

the fact that this is a question is depressing.

How is that depressing?

because it's fucking honey. the bees don't give a shit, they just make it. it's not like the beekeepers are pulling off their wings or something.
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and species change and evolve to work together all the time, not even as a parasitic sort of thing.

yeah, they'd be different. wouldn't necessarily be better or worse, it's just a thing. i'd be way more worried about dogs or.. any other animal, really. we literally breed those poor things to suffer because they look cute. the bee population is suffering tremendously because of pesticides and chemicals and we've got people worried about eating their honey, that just seems asinine to me.
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Zangulus posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Its not like moral veganism really has a foot to stand on. Animals will die in the production of food, no matter what youre making. Its going to happen.

So defeatism? Do you also advocate suicide? Cause with that line of thought, since you're going to die regardless of what you do, so you might as well just give up and kill yourself.

Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings.

So are plants.
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Nade Duck posted...

and species change and evolve to work together all the time, not even as a parasitic sort of thing.

yeah, they'd be different. wouldn't necessarily be better or worse, it's just a thing. i'd be way more worried about dogs or.. any other animal, really. we literally breed those poor things to suffer because they look cute. the bee population is suffering tremendously because of pesticides and chemicals and we've got people worried about eating their honey, that just seems asinine to me.

Vegans tend to be worried about dogs and other animals. They just also care about bees and other creatures. Don't see anything wrong with that.

How many people will take the time to relocate a spider or insect to outside rather than killing it? How many people that move those critters are also OK with eating meat? That's a lot more cognitive dissonance than a vegan caring about bees is.

If you want to know why vegans oppose honey (beyond it being an animal product--and therefore not vegan)

Bees are killed in honey farming, much moreso on the large scale (crushed en masse if they're in the way rather than moved as it's not cost efficient to take time to protect bees). The honey the bees work to make to feed the beehive is replaced with corn syrup or sugar water which is not good for the bees' health. Commercial honey farmers also artificially breed the queen and replace her every few years. Bee hives also tend to be plopped down in strict monoculture areas with glyphosate covered crops which is damaging bees in the long term. So bees are worked until they die and denied the goods they produce. Not a great life.

Small scale beekeeping preserves more bee lives, provides a more natural life, but still ultimately takes what bees produce (solely for themselves) away from them.

We totally do need bees! So much of modern agriculture relies on them. But we need modern beekeeping to be done in ways that are not like commercial beekeeping.

Just like honey, silk is also not vegan. Anything an animal makes that you take from them is not vegan. Veganism specifically is about animals having rights to be free of human exploitation.

I would personally argue that honey is plant-based in terms of those eating a plant-based diet.
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Zangulus posted...

Yes, but like a lot of our cultivated animals, theyve been bread to make far more honey than they need. Without human intervention theyd be an entirely different species.

I don't know about that. I've never heard of bees turning into loaves of bread before.
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so I destroyed a colony of carpenter bees today. am I murderer? either way don't care that shed had to go. it was falling apart and we are putting a new one in. though it freaked me out at first. smacked this board with a hammer and heard this weird noise. after being confused for a second I gave the board another good smack and the board splintered and boom bees started coming out.
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Zangulus posted...

Thats starting to change.

It really isnt

mooreandrew58 posted...

so I destroyed a colony of carpenter bees today. am I murderer? either way don't care that shed had to go. it was falling apart and we are putting a new one in. though it freaked me out at first. smacked this board with a hammer and heard this weird noise. after being confused for a second I gave the board another good smack and the board splintered and boom bees started coming out.

That's when you retreat and grab the flamethrower.
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Revelation34 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

so I destroyed a colony of carpenter bees today. am I murderer? either way don't care that shed had to go. it was falling apart and we are putting a new one in. though it freaked me out at first. smacked this board with a hammer and heard this weird noise. after being confused for a second I gave the board another good smack and the board splintered and boom bees started coming out.

That's when you retreat and grab the flamethrower.

I don't know if it was the sudden destruction of their home or the fact it was chilly and has been chilly outside past few days, but they seemed disoriented and didn't become aggressive at all.

as far as i'm aware we didn't actually kill any, but considering the season idk how up to finding a new home they will be. not a expert on the things other than I don't like them
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