Poll of the Day > Trump's going to reform welfare.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Because there are people taking advantage of the system.

ICOYAR's in trouble now.
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He's gonna dismantle the system his voters rely on, it's gonna be tremendous.

Just like he's reforming medical insurance?

GanonsSpirit posted...

Trump's going to reform welfare.

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Welfare is the most abused thing ever. The fact my wife's bio mom isn't freezing under an overpass is a stark example of how fucked up the system is and the need to trim the fat has never been more real. We've created a "give a man a fish" society that's collapsing from within because of these parasites.

My dad's family came here a couple generations back with nothing, and now they're all well-off financially (and speak English!) solely because of their hard work. They invested in themselves rather than sitting idle, collecting government cheques while whining about the Russian government taking all their stuff... Nobody has any sense of personal responsibility anymore because off a mass "entitlement movement" that gained momentum during the '80s.
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tax religion.
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FinalFantasyIV posted...

tax religion.

dis

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Welfare is the most abused thing ever. The fact my wife's bio mom isn't freezing under an overpass is a stark example of how fucked up the system is and the need to trim the fat has never been more real. We've created a "give a man a fish" society that's collapsing from within because of these parasites.

Yeah I have family on my dad's side that are living proof of this. None of them that are on disability are actually unable to work. Anyone who doesn't realize this probably comes from a wealthy family and doesn't realize how people game the system

It's the first of the mooonnnntttthhh

INB4 thats racist and targets minorities

dioxxys posted...

INB4 thats racist and targets minorities

And the irony is that most of the people gaming the system are white hillbillies

OhhhJa posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Welfare is the most abused thing ever. The fact my wife's bio mom isn't freezing under an overpass is a stark example of how fucked up the system is and the need to trim the fat has never been more real. We've created a "give a man a fish" society that's collapsing from within because of these parasites.

Yeah I have family on my dad's side that are living proof of this. None of them that are on disability are actually unable to work. Anyone who doesn't realize this probably comes from a wealthy family and doesn't realize how people game the system

Pretty much. But I get it. My wife and I come from opposite backgrounds...

She was in foster care because her bio dad said "get an abortion or I'm leaving" to her 17-year-old mom, who is the worst person I've ever met, and was beyond negligent with her kids. To put into perspective how shitty she is, she tried to weasel trust fund money out of her one special needs son, who is that way only because she drank while pregnant. This after she already spent two of the other kids' trusts that they were given when they made the ill-fated choice to move home after turning 18 (she also had the balls to call one of these kids selfish for moving out - after she spent his money - because her welfare income would shrink due to one less dependent living with her). My wife lucked out though, overall, and eventually ended up with amazing foster parents, whom we both adore.

Meanwhile, I was raised in a stable, loving home where my dad had a good job with the federal government and my mom didn't have to go out to work. We moved a few times because of his job, but I was too young to care, and that was really the only possible negative. We always had plenty of food and material goods, the bills were paid, our houses were decent and in nice neighbourhoods... Meeting my wife was an eye-opener for me, because I never really had a chance to see how awful life could be for some people. I wasn't ridiculously sheltered to the point of ignorance to how the world works, but I definitely lacked a deeper understanding.
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ReggieTheReckless posted...

It's the first of the mooonnnntttthhh

so cash your checks and get up
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While I applaud the idea, there's little chance of him getting it done because the hardliners will want something more austere while the moderates will want something more generous, with the Democrats blocking him no matter what.

FinalFantasyIV posted...

tax religion.

If we're going to tax intangibles, why not tax free speech, capitalism, science, and liberalism?
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GanonsSpirit posted...

Because there are people taking advantage of the system.

Well, there are.

The government encourages it in fact. The try to make people take the money regardless of if they need it.

Obama's "everything is fine, American is full of great people who will never take more than what they need" is complete horse manure.

But for you anti-Trump anything people, you don't have to worry, congress will block anything Trump attempts regardless.
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TigerTycoon posted...

But for you anti-Trump anything people, you don't have to worry, congress will block anything Trump attempts regardless.

How? It's a Republican controlled congress, he should be able to do it no problem.

shadowsword87 posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

But for you anti-Trump anything people, you don't have to worry, congress will block anything Trump attempts regardless.

How? It's a Republican controlled congress, he should be able to do it no problem.

Because you apparently missed it:
Zeus posted...

there's little chance of him getting it done because the hardliners will want something more austere while the moderates will want something more generous, with the Democrats blocking him no matter what.

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Then do politics!
He's the goddamn president, saying "it's hard" isn't a valid excuse to actually do something.

Saying there are other people on both sides are the political spectrum, and you need to fulfill the needs of them is how politics works, it's not how it's impossible to do anything.

shadowsword87 posted...

Then do politics!
He's the goddamn president, saying "it's hard" isn't a valid excuse to actually do something.

While "the buck stops here" is always great in theory, he's dealing with a radical faction which was willing to shut down the government to block healthcare funding. If they were ordinary party members, the establishment could simply get them all on the same page... however, they're part of an anti-establishment wing which derive their popularity from being outsiders. There's almost no incentive for them to work together on anything. I'm not sure that anybody could get them in line.

It's not a matter of "hard," it's more a matter of "damn near impossible" although I'm sure he's going to try. However, the only way he could get anything done would be to almost solely work with Democrats and hopefully swing a few moderate Republicans but, even if he was going further left than Obama, the Democrats might refuse to work with him on principle just because any successes he has lessens the likelihood of a Democrat winning the presidency. I'm not sure that in any point in American history has a sitting president needed to rally more of the opposition than his own party because, in a sane system, the president's party would be behind him.
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Zeus posted...

If we're going to tax intangibles, why not tax free speech, capitalism, science, and liberalism?

Revenue streams associated with those concepts are typically taxed.

_AdjI_ posted...

Zeus posted...

If we're going to tax intangibles, why not tax free speech, capitalism, science, and liberalism?

Revenue streams associated with those concepts are typically taxed.

Yeah, its tangible. The used to avoid taxation because of charity work in the community. It is a business now.
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https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xP3w1o0ScHA/UO3ZWfYtygI/AAAAAAAAHpY/aYy41qcUhd0/s1600/CorporateWelfare.jpg
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The largest abusers of welfare are millionaire tax shelters
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Zeus posted...

If we're going to tax intangibles, why not tax free speech, capitalism, science, and liberalism?

Revenue streams associated with those concepts are typically taxed.

Yeah, its tangible. The used to avoid taxation because of charity work in the community. It is a business now.

Eh, most churches are still non-profits that do a lot of charity work, and in many cases struggle to even keep their doors open. I'm not too opposed to them not being taxed. The occasional mega-church with millionaire clergy? They should probably be forking over some of that revenue. The majority of churches are alright, though.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Welfare is the most abused thing ever. The fact my wife's bio mom isn't freezing under an overpass is a stark example of how fucked up the system is and the need to trim the fat has never been more real. We've created a "give a man a fish" society that's collapsing from within because of these parasites.

Meanwhile, my mom manages to get just enough to pay our bills, while we rely on SNAP to get most of our food. And some months the system's like, "Ok, we're gonna cut you all off for a whole month so someone else can have a turn!" I think we can both agree that the system as it is now is not okay.
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I wish Trump would do Canada's welfare system too.. terrible terrible system. My girlfriends sister is in her late 20's and hasn't worked a day in her life yet and gets all her money from the tax payers/government... due to I'm to mental to work.

She gets like 1400 a month for absolutely doing nothing but applying for it and going to a doctor saying she can't work because of anxiety and depression issues.. come the **** on now. She can totally work if she "wanted" too...

Let's start with corporate welfare, plz.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

We've created a "give a man a fish" society that's collapsing from within because of these parasites.

Unless it's replaced with a "teach a man to fish" system, it's not going to be any better.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

We've created a "give a man a fish" society that's collapsing from within because of these parasites.

Unless it's replaced with a "teach a man to fish" system, it's not going to be any better.

We're in a "teach a man how to buy a fish and then never teach them how to get money" system
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Zeus posted...

I'm not sure that in any point in American history has a sitting president needed to rally more of the opposition than his own party because, in a sane system, the president's party would be behind him.

I like how you're framing this as "it's the system's fault", even though none of the previous three presidents had significant difficulties rallying their own parties behind them for the most part. The problem here is not "the system", it's that Trump is a shitty politician who seems to enjoy fighting with his own party and is subsequently flabbergasted that they don't support his initiatives.
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darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

I'm not sure that in any point in American history has a sitting president needed to rally more of the opposition than his own party because, in a sane system, the president's party would be behind him.

I like how you're framing this as "it's the system's fault", even though none of the previous three presidents had significant difficulties rallying their own parties behind them for the most part. The problem here is not "the system", it's that Trump is a shitty politician who seems to enjoy fighting with his own party and is subsequently flabbergasted that they don't support his initiatives.

Yeah, its mostly a case of him not understanding how his job works.
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OhhhJa posted...

dioxxys posted...

INB4 thats racist and targets minorities

And the irony is that most of the people gaming the system are white hillbillies

That, actually.
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For the record: I think welfare should be reformed, just not by Donnie.
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Zangulus posted...

Oh yeah, the topic that thinks a sliver of our entire national budget, a tiny f***ing fraction, is the most abused thing ever.

You're the first person to use the word budget.

Maybe, maybe it's not about that.
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TigerTycoon posted...

Obama's "everything is fine, American is full of great people who will never take more than what they need" is complete horse manure.

You should specify that you only think poor people are greedy and not rich people. Otherwise you look like a pretty stupid hypocrite and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.
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skullbone posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

Obama's "everything is fine, American is full of great people who will never take more than what they need" is complete horse manure.

You should specify that you only think poor people are greedy and not rich people. Otherwise you look like a pretty stupid hypocrite and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

The system is designed to allow abuse and the government encourages it. You can't, and shouldn't, expect a system that allows abuse to not be abused. To expect otherwise is ludicrous. This applies regardless of what your wealth level is.
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TigerTycoon posted...

skullbone posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

Obama's "everything is fine, American is full of great people who will never take more than what they need" is complete horse manure.

You should specify that you only think poor people are greedy and not rich people. Otherwise you look like a pretty stupid hypocrite and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

The system is designed to allow abuse and the government encourages it. You can't, and shouldn't, expect a system that allows abuse to not be abused. To expect otherwise is ludicrous. This applies regardless of what your wealth level is.

So you're advocating that we put equal amounts of effort into tax loopholes and business regulations to stop people from abusing those systems too right?
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skullbone posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

skullbone posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

Obama's "everything is fine, American is full of great people who will never take more than what they need" is complete horse manure.

You should specify that you only think poor people are greedy and not rich people. Otherwise you look like a pretty stupid hypocrite and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

The system is designed to allow abuse and the government encourages it. You can't, and shouldn't, expect a system that allows abuse to not be abused. To expect otherwise is ludicrous. This applies regardless of what your wealth level is.

So you're advocating that we put equal amounts of effort into tax loopholes and business regulations to stop people from abusing those systems too right?

Nobody thinks those loopholes should be there except the corporations, they're still there because most politicians are basically at the whim of the corporations who of course don't want those loopholes removed. The same thing applies, you can't expect someone to not abuse a system that openly allows it. "Honor systems" don't work.
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