Poll of the Day > Body cam study shows no effect on DC police use of force or citizen complaints.

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WastelandCowboy 10/20/17 11:51:42 PM #1:	http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints Having police officers wear little cameras seems to have no discernible impact on citizen complaints or officers' use of force, at least in the nation's capital. That's the conclusion of a study performed as Washington, D.C., rolled out its huge camera program. The city has one of the largest forces in the country, with some 2,600 officers now wearing cameras on their collars or shirts. "We found essentially that we could not detect any statistically significant effect of the body-worn cameras," says Anita Ravishankar, a researcher with the Metropolitan Police Department and a group in the city government called the Lab @ DC. "I think we're surprised by the result. I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior," says Chief of Police Peter Newsham. "There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all." Perhaps, he says, that is because his officers "were doing the right thing in the first place." In the wake of high-profile shootings, many police departments have been rapidly adopting body-worn cameras, despite a dearth of solid research on how the technology can change policing. "We need science, rather than our speculations about it, to try to answer and understand what impacts the cameras are having," says David Yokum, director of the Lab @ DC. His group worked with local police officials to make sure that cameras were handed out in a way that let the researchers carefully compare officers who were randomly assigned to get cameras with those who were not. The study ran from June 2015 to last December. "This is a very methodologically rigorous study. It is very well done. And that's not a small issue, because there have been many studies of body-worn cameras that are not rigorous," says Michael White, a researcher at Arizona State University who has studied body-worn camera programs in Tempe, Ariz., and Spokane, Wash. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888832355] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints <quote>Having police officers wear little cameras seems to have no discernible impact on citizen complaints or officers' use of force, at least in the nation's capital. That's the conclusion of a study performed as Washington, D.C., rolled out its huge camera program. The city has one of the largest forces in the country, with some 2,600 officers now wearing cameras on their collars or shirts. "We found essentially that we could not detect any statistically significant effect of the body-worn cameras," says Anita Ravishankar, a researcher with the Metropolitan Police Department and a group in the city government called the Lab @ DC. "I think we're surprised by the result. I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior," says Chief of Police Peter Newsham. "There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all." Perhaps, he says, that is because his officers "were doing the right thing in the first place." In the wake of high-profile shootings, many police departments have been rapidly adopting body-worn cameras, despite a dearth of solid research on how the technology can change policing. "We need science, rather than our speculations about it, to try to answer and understand what impacts the cameras are having," says David Yokum, director of the Lab @ DC. His group worked with local police officials to make sure that cameras were handed out in a way that let the researchers carefully compare officers who were randomly assigned to get cameras with those who were not. The study ran from June 2015 to last December. "This is a very methodologically rigorous study. It is very well done. And that's not a small issue, because there have been many studies of body-worn cameras that are not rigorous," says Michael White, a researcher at Arizona State University who has studied body-worn camera programs in Tempe, Ariz., and Spokane, Wash.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/20/17 11:52:04 PM #2:	It's to be expected that these cameras might have little impact on the behavior of police officers in Washington, D.C., he says, because this particular force went through about a decade of federal oversight to help improve the department. "They're hiring the right people; they've got good training; they've got good supervision; they've got good accountability mechanisms in place," White says. "When you have a department in that kind of state, I don't think you're going to see large reductions in use of force and complaints, because you don't need to. There is no large number of excessive uses of force that need to be eliminated." The big question about cameras now is, White says: "Is it worth the cost?" Besides buying the actual cameras, cash-strapped police departments have to pay to store and manage many thousands of hours of video footage. "I think a big part of the answer to that question is going to come from what the police department and the community want to accomplish with the rollout of body-worn cameras." The results of this study call into question whether police departments should purchase body-worn cameras at all, says Harlan Yu, who works for an organization called Upturn that studies how technology affects civil rights and social justice issues. "This is the most important empirical study on the impact of police body-worn cameras to date," Yu says. "If cameras don't decrease use of force, don't decrease the number of misconduct complaints and don't change officer behavior, then what are we adopting cameras for?" He notes that a lot of recent footage showing police violence has come from bystander video, not officer body cameras. And while cameras have had neutral effects in Washington, D.C., Yu says the devices might have harmful effects in places with policies that, say, allow officers to review footage before writing their initial reports of violent incidents. Despite this study's results, the nation's capital has no plans to get rid of its cameras, according to Newsham. "I am a little concerned that people might misconstrue the information and suggest that the body-worn cameras have no value. I don't think that this study suggests that at all," he says. In his view, the cameras have helped his department enormously after contentious encounters like a recent one on Christmas, when police officers fatally shot a man who was brandishing a knife. Some had suggested the man was not armed, but Newsham says the video shows otherwise. "I think it's really important for legitimacy for the police department," says Newsham, "when we say something to be able to back it up with a real-world view that others can see." D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser says in a statement that the city "invested in one of the most comprehensive deployments of body-worn cameras in the nation to ensure even greater transparency and accountability. As we conclude this comprehensive study, we will recommit ourselves to always evaluating what works and what does not to better serve our residents and creating a safer, stronger DC." <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888832369] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><quote>It's to be expected that these cameras might have little impact on the behavior of police officers in Washington, D.C., he says, because this particular force went through about a decade of federal oversight to help improve the department. "They're hiring the right people; they've got good training; they've got good supervision; they've got good accountability mechanisms in place," White says. "When you have a department in that kind of state, I don't think you're going to see large reductions in use of force and complaints, because you don't need to. There is no large number of excessive uses of force that need to be eliminated." The big question about cameras now is, White says: "Is it worth the cost?" Besides buying the actual cameras, cash-strapped police departments have to pay to store and manage many thousands of hours of video footage. "I think a big part of the answer to that question is going to come from what the police department and the community want to accomplish with the rollout of body-worn cameras." The results of this study call into question whether police departments should purchase body-worn cameras at all, says Harlan Yu, who works for an organization called Upturn that studies how technology affects civil rights and social justice issues. "This is the most important empirical study on the impact of police body-worn cameras to date," Yu says. "If cameras don't decrease use of force, don't decrease the number of misconduct complaints and don't change officer behavior, then what are we adopting cameras for?" He notes that a lot of recent footage showing police violence has come from bystander video, not officer body cameras. And while cameras have had neutral effects in Washington, D.C., Yu says the devices might have harmful effects in places with policies that, say, allow officers to review footage before writing their initial reports of violent incidents. Despite this study's results, the nation's capital has no plans to get rid of its cameras, according to Newsham. "I am a little concerned that people might misconstrue the information and suggest that the body-worn cameras have no value. I don't think that this study suggests that at all," he says. In his view, the cameras have helped his department enormously after contentious encounters like a recent one on Christmas, when police officers fatally shot a man who was brandishing a knife. Some had suggested the man was not armed, but Newsham says the video shows otherwise. "I think it's really important for legitimacy for the police department," says Newsham, "when we say something to be able to back it up with a real-world view that others can see." D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser says in a statement that the city "invested in one of the most comprehensive deployments of body-worn cameras in the nation to ensure even greater transparency and accountability. As we conclude this comprehensive study, we will recommit ourselves to always evaluating what works and what does not to better serve our residents and creating a safer, stronger DC."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/20/17 11:56:05 PM #3:	Ya... I'm sure the complainers lived in DC in the first place... --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:888832539] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Ya... I'm sure the complainers lived in DC in the first place...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 10/20/17 11:56:16 PM #4:	"I think we're surprised by the result. I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior," says Chief of Police Peter Newsham. "There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all." Perhaps, he says, that is because his officers "were doing the right thing in the first place." Okay, but at least now a judge can see if they were doing the right thing in the first place or not <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:888832548] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><quote>"I think we're surprised by the result. I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior," says Chief of Police Peter Newsham. "There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all." Perhaps, he says, that is because his officers "were doing the right thing in the first place."</quote> Okay, but at least now a judge can see if they were doing the right thing in the first place or not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/20/17 11:59:43 PM #5:	WastelandCowboy posted... "This is the most important empirical study on the impact of police body-worn cameras to date," Yu says. "If cameras don't decrease use of force, don't decrease the number of misconduct complaints and don't change officer behavior, then what are we adopting cameras for?" To prove what happened to everyone's satisfaction. I would think that would be obvious. Everyone except criminals and corrupt cops should love the idea of body cameras. A police officer accused of abuse or malfeasance should love the idea of having a recording of his actions to prove he did nothing wrong; similarly, a citizen who is the victim of police abuse would definitely want a recording of the encounter to bolster his legal case. And, of course, the rest of us would like to see what happened so we can judge for ourselves who was in the wrong. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:888832714] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>"This is the most important empirical study on the impact of police body-worn cameras to date," Yu says. "If cameras don't decrease use of force, don't decrease the number of misconduct complaints and don't change officer behavior, then what are we adopting cameras for?"</quote> To prove what happened to everyone's satisfaction. I would think that would be obvious. Everyone except criminals and corrupt cops should love the idea of body cameras. A police officer accused of abuse or malfeasance should love the idea of having a recording of his actions to prove he did nothing wrong; similarly, a citizen who is the victim of police abuse would definitely want a recording of the encounter to bolster his legal case. And, of course, the rest of us would like to see what happened so we can judge for ourselves who was in the wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/21/17 12:23:58 AM #6:	Well, it's a bit of a letdown but, at the very least, it helps to more easily confirm or repudiate complaints. Plus the overall effect might change over time as citizens acclimate to the cameras over time and, of course, they might be right about DC's cops being more by-the-book than other places. Lokarin posted... Ya... I'm sure the complainers lived in DC in the first place... DC is pretty poverty-stricken, has high crime rates, and a large black population. The key ingredients for BLM are right there. Even if there aren't officer-involved shootings of unarmed black men, you're still going to have people complaining about police mistreatment and you're likely going to have allegations of a racial component. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888833753] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Well, it's a bit of a letdown but, at the very least, it helps to more easily confirm or repudiate complaints. Plus the overall effect might change over time as citizens acclimate to the cameras over time and, of course, they might be right about DC's cops being more by-the-book than other places. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Ya... I'm sure the complainers lived in DC in the first place...</quote> DC is pretty poverty-stricken, has high crime rates, and a large black population. The key ingredients for BLM are right there. Even if there aren't officer-involved shootings of unarmed black men, you're still going to have people complaining about police mistreatment and you're likely going to have allegations of a racial component.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/21/17 12:26:07 AM #7:	Zeus posted... Ah ok, I didn't know that. I thought DC was pretty upscale --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:888833830] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> Ah ok, I didn't know that. I thought DC was pretty upscale</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Bolt 10/21/17 12:39:36 AM #8:	I didn't even realize that was what the cameras were for at first. I always thought they were for preserving evidence, like culprit's faces and license plates and stuff. Gotta love the skill of some of those police sketch artists, but the camera is just more efficient. Maybe I play too many mystery games. --- One day dude, I'm just gonna get off the bus, and I'm gonna run in the woods and never come back, and when I come back I'm gonna be the knife master! -The Rev <cite>Lightning Bolt posted [p:888834386] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>I didn't even realize that was what the cameras were for at first. I always thought they were for preserving evidence, like culprit's faces and license plates and stuff. Gotta love the skill of some of those police sketch artists, but the camera is just more efficient. Maybe I play too many mystery games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/21/17 1:02:06 AM #9:	I would suggest that cops wearing body cams just dgaf since they know full well that the union will assure they just get a paid vacation if they cross the line while their brothers close ranks to defend them. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:888835237] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>I would suggest that cops wearing body cams just dgaf since they know full well that the union will assure they just get a paid vacation if they cross the line while their brothers close ranks to defend them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/21/17 2:57:31 AM #10:	MICHALECOLE posted... "I think we're surprised by the result. I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior," says Chief of Police Peter Newsham. "There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all." Perhaps, he says, that is because his officers "were doing the right thing in the first place." Okay, but at least now a judge can see if they were doing the right thing in the first place or not this. this is why I want body cams. it defends both the cop and the citizen. defends the cop from false accusations of brutality. and if brutality does actually occur then the citizen can be defended properly in court. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888838645] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>MICHALECOLE posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"I think we're surprised by the result. I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior," says Chief of Police Peter Newsham. "There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all." Perhaps, he says, that is because his officers "were doing the right thing in the first place."</quote> Okay, but at least now a judge can see if they were doing the right thing in the first place or not</quote> this. this is why I want body cams. it defends both the cop and the citizen. defends the cop from false accusations of brutality. and if brutality does actually occur then the citizen can be defended properly in court.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 10/21/17 3:06:16 AM #11:	Considering the amount of criminals that whine about everything, regardless of things like them resisting arrest, I'm not surprised. There's a reason stupid people usually end up in prison. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:888838873] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Considering the amount of criminals that whine about everything, regardless of things like them resisting arrest, I'm not surprised. There's a reason stupid people usually end up in prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/21/17 3:32:55 AM #12:	Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? Of course they're not going to. The point is that now the videos can be used for proving officers acted appropriately or not. When a officer doesn't act appropriately, now we have incontrovertible evidence and as such he will need to be punished. That's when the change occurs. Not simply because a camera is now on them. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:888839518] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? Of course they're not going to. The point is that now the videos can be used for proving officers acted appropriately or not. When a officer doesn't act appropriately, now we have incontrovertible evidence and as such he will need to be punished. That's when the change occurs. Not simply because a camera is now on them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/21/17 3:41:41 AM #13:	Smarkil posted... Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? Of course they're not going to. The point is that now the videos can be used for proving officers acted appropriately or not. When a officer doesn't act appropriately, now we have incontrovertible evidence and as such he will need to be punished. That's when the change occurs. Not simply because a camera is now on them. i'm sure the camera alters the behavior of some. those some though knew their actions where wrong. those who it doesn't change the actions of are either convinced their actions are just, or the type of person who gets caught up in the moment. either of which can't be excused in that profession --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888839698] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? Of course they're not going to. The point is that now the videos can be used for proving officers acted appropriately or not. When a officer doesn't act appropriately, now we have incontrovertible evidence and as such he will need to be punished. That's when the change occurs. Not simply because a camera is now on them.</quote> i'm sure the camera alters the behavior of some. those some though knew their actions where wrong. those who it doesn't change the actions of are either convinced their actions are just, or the type of person who gets caught up in the moment. either of which can't be excused in that profession</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/21/17 4:27:28 AM #14:	Smarkil posted... Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? There was, at least, some anecdotal evidence that this might be the case. I've heard a few cops now say that people they talk to are much better behaved when they mention "By the way, I have a body camera on right now, you are being recorded." I agree, that's not the main point, but it was something worth looking into. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:888840703] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior?</quote> There was, at least, some anecdotal evidence that this might be the case. I've heard a few cops now say that people they talk to are much better behaved when they mention "By the way, I have a body camera on right now, you are being recorded." I agree, that's not the main point, but it was something worth looking into.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/21/17 5:27:03 AM #15:	Smarkil posted... Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? Of course they're not going to. The point is that now the videos can be used for proving officers acted appropriately or not. When a officer doesn't act appropriately, now we have incontrovertible evidence and as such he will need to be punished. That's when the change occurs. Not simply because a camera is now on them. The problem with being on camera all the time is that eventually it's going to lose its effectiveness when it comes to the small stuff (although it should prevent the bigger problems because they know they're being recorded). However, in the case of suspects, they should be on better behavior knowing that they're being filmed and should be less likely to file fraudulent reports. Recording devices help to settle a lot of he-said-she-said cases. A great example appeared in Judge Judy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Ka59O0zGs tl;dw version is a woman (the daughter of a retired cop) was ticketed, she filed a complaint about the officer's behavior, he sued her over the libel, and a recording of the incident completely vindicated his behavior while showing that she immediately tried to use her father's name to get out of the speeding ticket then called her daddy and tried to get the ticketing officer to talk to him over the phone. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888841689] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, did people actually think the cameras in and of themselves would alter behavior? Of course they're not going to. The point is that now the videos can be used for proving officers acted appropriately or not. When a officer doesn't act appropriately, now we have incontrovertible evidence and as such he will need to be punished. That's when the change occurs. Not simply because a camera is now on them.</quote> The problem with being on camera all the time is that eventually it's going to lose its effectiveness when it comes to the small stuff (although it should prevent the bigger problems because they know they're being recorded). However, in the case of suspects, they should be on better behavior knowing that they're being filmed and should be less likely to file fraudulent reports. Recording devices help to settle a lot of he-said-she-said cases. A great example appeared in Judge Judy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Ka59O0zGs tl;dw version is a woman (the daughter of a retired cop) was ticketed, she filed a complaint about the officer's behavior, he sued her over the libel, and a recording of the incident completely vindicated his behavior while showing that she immediately tried to use her father's name to get out of the speeding ticket then called her daddy and tried to get the ticketing officer to talk to him over the phone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/21/17 5:47:27 AM #16:	I thought the issue was officers turning off their cameras. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:888842039] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>I thought the issue was officers turning off their cameras.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slacker03150 10/21/17 6:46:45 AM #17:	We already knew doesnt change behavior, just a couple of months ago body cam footage showed a police officer planting evidence and after that another incident where they searched a car turned the camera off for 30 minutes turned it back on and immediately found drugs almost right in the open. The hope is that it eventually changes that behavior but in the meantime we dont innocent civillians spending months in prison. --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015 <cite>slacker03150 posted [p:888843047] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>We already knew doesnt change behavior, just a couple of months ago body cam footage showed a police officer planting evidence and after that another incident where they searched a car turned the camera off for 30 minutes turned it back on and immediately found drugs almost right in the open. The hope is that it eventually changes that behavior but in the meantime we dont innocent civillians spending months in prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/21/17 12:44:19 PM #18:	Kyuubi4269 posted... I thought the issue was officers turning off their cameras. that should be made a punishable offense. if your camera goes off during a incident the camera better be showing signs of malfunction or damage --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888854536] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the issue was officers turning off their cameras.</quote> that should be made a punishable offense. if your camera goes off during a incident the camera better be showing signs of malfunction or damage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 10/21/17 1:03:28 PM #19:	mooreandrew58 posted... that should be made a punishable offense. if your camera goes off during a incident the camera better be showing signs of malfunction or damage cop turns off camera, breaks it later, no trouble at all. <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:888855431] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>that should be made a punishable offense. if your camera goes off during a incident the camera better be showing signs of malfunction or damage</quote> cop turns off camera, breaks it later, no trouble at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/21/17 1:04:54 PM #20:	KaptainKiro posted... mooreandrew58 posted... that should be made a punishable offense. if your camera goes off during a incident the camera better be showing signs of malfunction or damage cop turns off camera, breaks it later, no trouble at all. it still should be taken into question why it seems to get cut off around the time shit happens. and after a certain point the cop should start being made to pay for the things. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888855493] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>that should be made a punishable offense. if your camera goes off during a incident the camera better be showing signs of malfunction or damage</quote> cop turns off camera, breaks it later, no trouble at all.</quote> it still should be taken into question why it seems to get cut off around the time shit happens. and after a certain point the cop should start being made to pay for the things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 10/21/17 1:15:31 PM #21:	mooreandrew58 posted... it still should be taken into question why it seems to get cut off around the time shit happens. and after a certain point the cop should start being made to pay for the things. "happened during the struggle" also, stop making cops pay for shit and start actually punishing criminals. we would need much less cops if we would actually get rid of our criminal element instead of playing catch and release with them. <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:888855956] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>it still should be taken into question why it seems to get cut off around the time shit happens. and after a certain point the cop should start being made to pay for the things.</quote> "happened during the struggle" also, stop making cops pay for shit and start actually punishing criminals. we would need much less cops if we would actually get rid of our criminal element instead of playing catch and release with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/21/17 1:25:49 PM #22:	KaptainKiro posted... mooreandrew58 posted... it still should be taken into question why it seems to get cut off around the time shit happens. and after a certain point the cop should start being made to pay for the things. "happened during the struggle" also, stop making cops pay for shit and start actually punishing criminals. we would need much less cops if we would actually get rid of our criminal element instead of playing catch and release with them. shouldn't it capture the footage up till the point it got cut off though? considering what they where designed for I doubt they are that damn fragile --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888856432] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>it still should be taken into question why it seems to get cut off around the time shit happens. and after a certain point the cop should start being made to pay for the things.</quote> "happened during the struggle" also, stop making cops pay for shit and start actually punishing criminals. we would need much less cops if we would actually get rid of our criminal element instead of playing catch and release with them.</quote> shouldn't it capture the footage up till the point it got cut off though? considering what they where designed for I doubt they are that damn fragile</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 10/21/17 2:30:18 PM #23:	Every job has its clientele that complains or outright lies to catch a break. Nothing different here. <cite>dedbus posted [p:888859542] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Every job has its clientele that complains or outright lies to catch a break. Nothing different here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/21/17 3:46:26 PM #24:	dedbus posted... Every job has its clientele that complains or outright lies to catch a break. Nothing different here. Except the police have forgotten that they are public servants and behave like an army of occupation. That is not ok. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:888863269] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>dedbus posted...</cite> <quote>Every job has its clientele that complains or outright lies to catch a break. Nothing different here.</quote> Except the police have forgotten that they are public servants and behave like an army of occupation. That is not ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 10/21/17 3:53:06 PM #25:	WhiskeyDisk posted... That is not ok. its also not ok that theres never been a time where being a cop killer is so glorified by a culture. its also not ok that theres never been a time where people so blindly side with criminals regardless of the atrocities they commit. why do people love criminals so fucking much? <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:888863590] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>That is not ok.</quote> its also not ok that theres never been a time where being a cop killer is so glorified by a culture. its also not ok that theres never been a time where people so blindly side with criminals regardless of the atrocities they commit. why do people love criminals so fucking much?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/21/17 3:57:06 PM #26:	KaptainKiro posted... its also not ok that theres never been a time where being a cop killer is so glorified by a culture. The Wild West was a thing. KaptainKiro posted... its also not ok that theres never been a time where people so blindly side with criminals regardless of the atrocities they commit. Crusades. KaptainKiro posted... why do people love criminals so fucking much? Because lawmakers and enforcers are such garbage. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:888863749] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>its also not ok that theres never been a time where being a cop killer is so glorified by a culture.</quote> The Wild West was a thing. <cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>its also not ok that theres never been a time where people so blindly side with criminals regardless of the atrocities they commit.</quote> Crusades. <cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>why do people love criminals so fucking much?</quote> Because lawmakers and enforcers are such garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 10/21/17 4:03:21 PM #27:	Kyuubi4269 posted... The Wild West was a thing. small in comparison to current thug culture. Kyuubi4269 posted... Crusades. are you high? do you really believe this shit? people literally protest and burn down neighborhoods when a violent thug gets put down by an officer nowadays. Kyuubi4269 posted... Because lawmakers and enforcers are such garbage. you are literally a mental case if you think lawmakers and enforcers are worse than gangs, burglars, robbers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers and sex traffickers. neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens. <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:888864016] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>The Wild West was a thing.</quote> small in comparison to current thug culture. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Crusades.</quote> are you high? do you really believe this shit? people literally protest and burn down neighborhoods when a violent thug gets put down by an officer nowadays. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Because lawmakers and enforcers are such garbage.</quote> you are literally a mental case if you think lawmakers and enforcers are worse than gangs, burglars, robbers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers and sex traffickers. neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 10/21/17 4:15:35 PM #28:	KaptainKiro posted... neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are This is really accurate. You're also forgetting that families of criminals almost always enable their behavior under the misguided notion of "no hate, only love". I read a lot of police reports at my current job, it's insane how long it takes to prosecute criminals for truly abhorrent behavior. A man who was in our county jail just recently got sentenced to prison for a murder he committed 3 years ago, in front of several eyewitnesses, and confessed to. It took literally 3 years for our ass backwards justice system to put this scumbag in prison because there are a trillion and one hoops that need to be jumped through to send this guy to prison in a way that ensures that he can't come back and sue the system or get released on a technicality. Our judicial system is so swung in favor of criminals, it's insane. Future societies will look upon our system and wonder what the fuck we were thinking. A monstrous amount of the issues we face as a society today stem largely from our pampering of criminals and the unwillingness to admit that not everyone can be fixed. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:888864528] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are</quote> This is really accurate. You're also forgetting that families of criminals almost always enable their behavior under the misguided notion of "no hate, only love". I read a lot of police reports at my current job, it's insane how long it takes to prosecute criminals for truly abhorrent behavior. A man who was in our county jail just recently got sentenced to prison for a murder he committed 3 years ago, in front of several eyewitnesses, and confessed to. It took literally 3 years for our ass backwards justice system to put this scumbag in prison because there are a trillion and one hoops that need to be jumped through to send this guy to prison in a way that ensures that he can't come back and sue the system or get released on a technicality. Our judicial system is so swung in favor of criminals, it's insane. Future societies will look upon our system and wonder what the fuck we were thinking. A monstrous amount of the issues we face as a society today stem largely from our pampering of criminals and the unwillingness to admit that not everyone can be fixed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/21/17 6:33:25 PM #29:	That doesn't give police a right to be judge jury and executioner. Due process exists for a reason and if you don't understand why, it speaks volumes for WHY those protections are in place. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:888871105] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>That doesn't give police a right to be judge jury and executioner. Due process exists for a reason and if you don't understand why, it speaks volumes for WHY those protections are in place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 10/21/17 7:34:13 PM #30:	The camera and this article pretty much confirmed that police have been doing their job and everyone basically complains that their precious angel couldn't have possibly done anything wrong. It's basically a car crash where everyone was looking for a scapegoat. <cite>dedbus posted [p:888874191] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>The camera and this article pretty much confirmed that police have been doing their job and everyone basically complains that their precious angel couldn't have possibly done anything wrong. It's basically a car crash where everyone was looking for a scapegoat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 10/21/17 9:52:37 PM #31:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Due process exists for a reason and if you don't understand why, it speaks volumes for WHY those protections are in place. I understand why it exists, but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction giving criminals copious amounts of rights. For instance, there's a guy in my county jail right now who met with his ex-wife under the guise of reconciliation, drugged her drink, anally raped her and recorded the whole thing with his 12 year old daughter in the next room, who caught him in the act. He admitted to doing it, the DNA evidence is present, there's video evidence, and eyewitness testimony. This occurred over 2 years ago and he still hasn't gone to trial, instead opting to cycle through taxpayer funded lawyers while claiming each of the 9 lawyers he's gone through "don't have his best interests in mind", which really means they're all telling him there's no way that he doesn't do time in prison for it and he doesn't like that answer. And every time he asks for a new lawyer, he gets one. They've literally started appointing lawyers to him from 200+ miles away because he's gone through all of the ones in this county and the next. I understand the importance of due process, but for a huge portion of criminals there's no reason not to be criminals because you can get away with copious amounts of shit and receive little more than a slap on the wrist. I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, driving drunk and running people over, beating your spouse, choking them until they pass out, holding people at gunpoint. People get arrested and let go within hours of doing these on a daily basis. It wrecks communities and exacerbates most problems that we face as a society today. We really need a place to exile criminals that refuse to reform, or increase usage of the death penalty. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:888881400] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>Due process exists for a reason and if you don't understand why, it speaks volumes for WHY those protections are in place.</quote> I understand why it exists, but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction giving criminals copious amounts of rights. For instance, there's a guy in my county jail right now who met with his ex-wife under the guise of reconciliation, drugged her drink, anally raped her and recorded the whole thing with his 12 year old daughter in the next room, who caught him in the act. He admitted to doing it, the DNA evidence is present, there's video evidence, and eyewitness testimony. This occurred over 2 years ago and he still hasn't gone to trial, instead opting to cycle through taxpayer funded lawyers while claiming each of the 9 lawyers he's gone through "don't have his best interests in mind", which really means they're all telling him there's no way that he doesn't do time in prison for it and he doesn't like that answer. And every time he asks for a new lawyer, he gets one. They've literally started appointing lawyers to him from 200+ miles away because he's gone through all of the ones in this county and the next. I understand the importance of due process, but for a huge portion of criminals there's no reason not to be criminals because you can get away with copious amounts of shit and receive little more than a slap on the wrist. I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, driving drunk and running people over, beating your spouse, choking them until they pass out, holding people at gunpoint. People get arrested and let go within hours of doing these on a daily basis. It wrecks communities and exacerbates most problems that we face as a society today. We really need a place to exile criminals that refuse to reform, or increase usage of the death penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/21/17 11:04:18 PM #32:	Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:888885394] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/22/17 1:18:06 AM #33:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888892098] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/22/17 2:25:15 AM #34:	mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those. Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:888894449] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those.</quote> Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 10/22/17 2:30:08 AM #35:	dedbus posted... The camera and this article pretty much confirmed that police have been doing their job and everyone basically complains that their precious angel couldn't have possibly done anything wrong. It's basically a car crash where everyone was looking for a scapegoat. Yeah, its like how my friends mom kept covering for his shit-heel, coke dealing brother. My parents would turn me in because theyre not terrible people. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:888894600] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>dedbus posted...</cite> <quote>The camera and this article pretty much confirmed that police have been doing their job and everyone basically complains that their precious angel couldn't have possibly done anything wrong. It's basically a car crash where everyone was looking for a scapegoat.</quote> Yeah, its like how my friends mom kept covering for his shit-heel, coke dealing brother. My parents would turn me in because theyre not terrible people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/22/17 2:32:17 AM #36:	WhiskeyDisk posted... mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those. Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888894666] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those.</quote> Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html</quote> my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/22/17 11:30:22 AM #37:	KaptainKiro posted... neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens. Just gonna point out that nations that "coddle" their criminals have amongst the lowest recidivism rates in the world. The US, with one of the most punitive justice systems in the developed world, has one of the highest. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:888909135] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens. </quote> Just gonna point out that nations that "coddle" their criminals have amongst the lowest recidivism rates in the world. The US, with one of the most punitive justice systems in the developed world, has one of the highest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/22/17 4:47:24 PM #38:	mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those. Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards. Point being, draw the circles around every school in a town and you'll find those circles encompass a surprisingly large and arbitrary amount of that town. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:888926356] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those.</quote> Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html</quote> my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards.</quote> Point being, draw the circles around every school in a town and you'll find those circles encompass a surprisingly large and arbitrary amount of that town.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/22/17 4:57:44 PM #39:	darkknight109 posted... KaptainKiro posted... neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens. Just gonna point out that nations that "coddle" their criminals have amongst the lowest recidivism rates in the world. The US, with one of the most punitive justice systems in the developed world, has one of the highest. Correlation may not imply causality, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and mouth "look over there." --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:888927078] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens. </quote> Just gonna point out that nations that "coddle" their criminals have amongst the lowest recidivism rates in the world. The US, with one of the most punitive justice systems in the developed world, has one of the highest.</quote> Correlation may not imply causality, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and mouth "look over there."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/22/17 6:43:42 PM #40:	WhiskeyDisk posted... mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those. Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards. Point being, draw the circles around every school in a town and you'll find those circles encompass a surprisingly large and arbitrary amount of that town. maybe in a city, but not where I live. nearest school is like a 20 minute drive. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888933451] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those.</quote> Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html</quote> my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards.</quote> Point being, draw the circles around every school in a town and you'll find those circles encompass a surprisingly large and arbitrary amount of that town.</quote> maybe in a city, but not where I live. nearest school is like a 20 minute drive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 10/22/17 6:53:37 PM #41:	Lokarin posted... Ya... I'm sure the complainers lived in DC in the first place... You have no idea what you are talking about. <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:888934032] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Ya... I'm sure the complainers lived in DC in the first place...</quote> You have no idea what you are talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 10/22/17 8:37:57 PM #42:	mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... mooreandrew58 posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... Rasmoh posted... I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex. 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those. Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards. Point being, draw the circles around every school in a town and you'll find those circles encompass a surprisingly large and arbitrary amount of that town. maybe in a city, but not where I live. nearest school is like a 20 minute drive. And cities are where you see the vast majority of drug-related arrests. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:888940322] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking dealing drugs near a school, </quote> This is a particularly bad example. You know why the statute doubles the penalty within 1000 yards of a school? You're never more than 1000 yards from a school in just about any urban environment, and chances are you're within 1000 yards of a school in most suburban environments too. It's just another feel good law passed in service of the overwhelming failure that is the war on drugs, and the prison industrial complex.</quote> 1000 yards is less distance than you think it is. go look at a football field. 10 of those.</quote> Thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea when I made that post. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html</quote> my point being is plenty of people live more than 1000 yards away from a school. or hell even school zone. and lmao you link a post about 1000 feet, when you originally said yards.</quote> Point being, draw the circles around every school in a town and you'll find those circles encompass a surprisingly large and arbitrary amount of that town.</quote> maybe in a city, but not where I live. nearest school is like a 20 minute drive.</quote> And cities are where you see the vast majority of drug-related arrests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 10/22/17 9:04:49 PM #43:	Duh. I'm not even sure why this "solution" to brutality became so popular in the first place. The problem is accountability and cameras do not provide accountability. We already know they're corrupt, more footage of the corruption is not going to make corrupt departments accountable. If anything they give the police even greater power and leverage over civilians. Because guess who controls the cameras? Not us. Cameras off when they do bad, cameras on when we do bad. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:888942136] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Duh. I'm not even sure why this "solution" to brutality became so popular in the first place. The problem is accountability and cameras do not provide accountability. We already know they're corrupt, more footage of the corruption is not going to make corrupt departments accountable. If anything they give the police even greater power and leverage over civilians. Because guess who controls the cameras? Not us. Cameras off when they do bad, cameras on when we do bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 10/24/17 1:08:12 AM #44:	wah_wah_wah posted... Duh. I'm not even sure why this "solution" to brutality became so popular in the first place. The problem is accountability and cameras do not provide accountability. We already know they're corrupt, more footage of the corruption is not going to make corrupt departments accountable. If anything they give the police even greater power and leverage over civilians. Because guess who controls the cameras? Not us. Cameras off when they do bad, cameras on when we do bad. trollololololol <cite>dioxxys posted [p:889025991] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>Duh. I'm not even sure why this "solution" to brutality became so popular in the first place. The problem is accountability and cameras do not provide accountability. We already know they're corrupt, more footage of the corruption is not going to make corrupt departments accountable. If anything they give the police even greater power and leverage over civilians. Because guess who controls the cameras? Not us. Cameras off when they do bad, cameras on when we do bad.</quote> trollololololol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 10/24/17 1:19:57 AM #45:	Who knows if they really had an issue with police relations in the first place. I'm sure someone knows, I don't. <cite>Yellow posted [p:889026465] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote>Who knows if they really had an issue with police relations in the first place. I'm sure someone knows, I don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/24/17 5:54:46 PM #46:	_AdjI_ posted... And cities are where you see the vast majority of drug-related arrests. And assault, and prostitution, and larceny...in other words where there are more people, there is more crime. Shocking revelation there! --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:889068792] in Body cam s... [t:75902258]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>And cities are where you see the vast majority of drug-related arrests.</quote> And assault, and prostitution, and larceny...in other words where there are more people, there is more crime. Shocking revelation there!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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