Current Events > This TA calls on black women first and white men last. Critics want her fired

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Asherlee10 posted...

think that isn't exactly a fair comparison.

Racism, discrimination, same sport, different league. The scale is obviously different.

I'm guessing this woman calls on black women first because she picked one of the most marginalized demographics in the U.S.

Women are a (very slight) majority, whether or not they exercise it in collectivist action. Black men are more marginalized by any passable definition. The prisons aren't flooded with black women, the streets aren't red with black women's blood. Hyperbolic yes but the point* stands.
But regardless, her classroom doesn't exist to right the injustices of the world. Nor can they be righted by her discrimination.

and is trying to give them an advantage. However, she has just gone about this in a VERY wrong way and it comes across as very racist.

Because it is racist.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

DippinSauce posted...

eston posted...

She means well, but this is not an appropriate way to run a class and I don't think it's justifiable at all.

White separatists mean well too, they're just misguided pieces of shit.

I think that isn't exactly a fair comparison.

I'm guessing this woman calls on black women first because she picked one of the most marginalized demographics in the U.S. and is trying to give them an advantage. However, she has just gone about this in a VERY wrong way and it comes across as very racist.

See this is always a bullshit argument because in situations like this, you're not dealing with demographics as a whole, you're dealing with individuals.

So it doesn't matter what a demographic trend may be because the individual can easily not be part of that trend. Black people can be well off and non blacks can be worse off as individuals.
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And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.
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Asherlee10 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

DippinSauce posted...

eston posted...

She means well, but this is not an appropriate way to run a class and I don't think it's justifiable at all.

White separatists mean well too, they're just misguided pieces of shit.

I think that isn't exactly a fair comparison.

I'm guessing this woman calls on black women first because she picked one of the most marginalized demographics in the U.S. and is trying to give them an advantage. However, she has just gone about this in a VERY wrong way and it comes across as very racist.

See this is always a bullshit argument because in situations like this, you're not dealing with demographics as a whole, you're dealing with individuals.

So it doesn't matter what a demographic trend may be because the individual can easily not be part of that trend. Black people can be well off and non blacks can be worse off as individuals.

I'm not here to dispute or confirm that notion you are presenting. Nor am I trying to justify her position. Again, I'm disputing Anarchy's comparison which I don't think is accurate.

My bad i didn't direct that to you. It was directed towards anybody who makes pro discrimination arguments based on demographic trends instead of individuals.

It's just so stupid.
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1. You're mistaking marginalized with minority

Fair enough.

2. White supremacists

I said white separatists. And not that I take their word for anything, they often say (pretend) their policies benefit all races.

3. My comparison was really just a convoluted way to say "I don't really care about meaning well in this case." I guess I could have just used the adage, "the path to hell . . . "-
Obviously she's better, a more moral person, less of a danger to society, etc etc etc than whichever version of white S's you wanna choose.
It wasn't really a comparison, it was a juxtaposition of the logic and rationale, not the morality, result, or affect.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I'm guessing this woman calls on black women first because she picked one of the most marginalized demographics in the U.S. and is trying to give them an advantage.

I disagree. It think it's more about virtue signaling. I don't think the type of person who would do something like this out of good intentions would then go gloat about their oppression hierarchy on Twitter.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

This is why Trump won

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Definitely think that was stupid to post. And I dont think her strategy benefits anyone other than herself (its not going to change anything only make her feel better).

That said, Im willing to bet a majority of people who react to this either arent aware or dont have the same passion to fight the same treatment that occurs elsewhere but goes unspoken.
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I don't understand divulging the strategy on social media
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Balrog0 posted...

I don't understand divulging the strategy on social media

I could MAYBE understand the ignorance of how social media works in like, 2006, but in fucking 2017 for this moron to blabber her idiocy on Twitter shows she should be fired alone for a lack of common sense, regardless of her inane policy.
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Balrog0 posted...

I don't understand divulging the strategy on social media

This, it was a stupid move. I can see why she would use such a strategy in a class about a topic like this, but now everyone knows what she's doing for sure. It also makes her look really bad because she revealed the way she thinks of white men and even women.
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shnangyboos posted...

And she says it with such pride. Fucking idiot.

well you know, racism against whites is 'virtuous' and 'correct think'

nazis on the street are strike back against the last five years of this kind of thing
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>don't like being called racist
>immediately call others racist.

Y'all finally understanding what it felt like for millions over the past 500 or so years but talk about being "self-aware."
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gunplagirl posted...

Not everything has to be centered around white people. The class itself and the title? That should readily make it clear that black students would have much more relevant discussion points to make.

Cause white people at that time weren't a part of the problem with slavery and discrimination? Even when you think you're making a point it makes no sense. White people now who never were slave owners can't chime in on slavery and discrimination with African Americans that were never slaves now? How much denial are you in before you can just admit that you are biased and have no leg to stand on? To fix a problem all factors involved in that problem have to be considered.
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gunplagirl posted...

Not everything has to be centered around white people. The class itself and the title? That should readily make it clear that black students would have much more relevant discussion points to make.

And you get surprised when I call you a joke poster
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Sad!
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Lefty gets caught playing by Lefty rules. Should get fired according to Lefty rules. Die by the sword you created, losers.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Not everything has to be centered around white people. The class itself and the title? That should readily make it clear that black students would have much more relevant discussion points to make.

That's not how things work in America. We live in a multicultural and multiracial country. We are diverse. You don't get to discriminate againt people due to their race. Period.

If you don't like it, move to a different country.

And a huge part of multiculturalism is acknowledging the different backgrounds everyone hails from and that certain races WILL have experiences with actual discrimination on a systemic level. Meanwhile, oh no, white guys can't dominate every talk in class as much, and you cry discrimination. There was that study the other year showing that if girls in class even got like 30-40% of the discussion time, guys still thought the girls had a large majority of the time to talk. But yet CE totally cried foul over the results and pulled out sexism.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

This is why Trump won

The fragile white male ego is partly why Trump won, you are correct.

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shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.
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omega cookie posted...

What a stupid whore.

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Once again gunplagirl is proving themselves to be the true bigot despite their tendency to label anyone that doesn't buy into their worldview as a bigot.
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Her mistake was making it public. I can understand where she's coming from

If I'm taking a woman's study course, I'm not gonna get salty if I have to take a backseat to the women in the class when it comes time to discussions. It's not the end of the world
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gunplagirl posted...

shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.

ah ok, so all hhistory must be only discussed by relevant people. World history classes need dozens of professors for each region discussed. Chinese history from chinese people, ancient egyptian history from ancient egyptians only
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J E S U S posted...

ah ok, so all hhistory must be only discussed by relevant people. World history classes need dozens of professors for each region discussed. Chinese history from chinese people, ancient egyptian history from ancient egyptians only

I don't know about you, but when I was in college if the professor had a connection to an actual person from the culture we were discussing, he/she would bring them in for special lectures. It's not that we *only* needed to hear from that person, but they definitely got a platform of importance and their opinions were seen as vital.
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Why really bothers me about this is how poorly calculated it is.

Reinforces the "this is why Trump won" narrative, it's blatantly caustic and divisive, simply racist/sexist and fuck it, to reiterate, serves anti-sjw, right wing propaganda. This helps people like Richard Spencer more than "allowing him to speak" ever* could. The totality of shit like this causes the pendulum to swing so far it feels like there's no going back. And moderates like myself are the ones going to have our throats cut as it oscillates.

What purpose could that have served, as well as "bragging about it", that makes up for the social cost?
Virtue signaling doesn't even begin to describe it. God damn that hurts her own side so much there's no rational or intelligent reason you do this.
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gunplagirl posted...

shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.

I'm sure black people are/were the only slaves in the history of mankind. White people for sure never did it.

Point is: No one has ownership of the topic.
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tommybel89 posted...

I'm sure black people are/were the only slaves in the history of mankind. White people for sure never did it.

Point is: No one has ownership of the topic.

Title of the class is "Race and Sex in Early America", genius. I'm betting the trans-atlantic slave trade is a huge part of the course. They're not covering the entirety of mankind.
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Well I'm a dummy who didn't read the first post then! Also, I still think anyone can talk about it.
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thanosibe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Not everything has to be centered around white people. The class itself and the title? That should readily make it clear that black students would have much more relevant discussion points to make.

Cause white people at that time weren't a part of the problem with slavery and discrimination? Even when you think you're making a point it makes no sense. White people now who never were slave owners can't chime in on slavery and discrimination with African Americans that were never slaves now? How much denial are you in before you can just admit that you are biased and have no leg to stand on? To fix a problem all factors involved in that problem have to be considered.

You DO know that systemic disadvantages that date back to the fallout of the civil war still harm black people to this day? Housing, education, voting, employment, policing, etc.

You can't say "look at the big picture" while staring at such a minor point.
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gunplagirl posted...

shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.

Why would you assume that some 20 year old at an ivy league school is going to possess some keen insights or relevant personal experiences regarding slavery because of her gender and skin color?
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awesome999 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Not everything has to be centered around white people. The class itself and the title? That should readily make it clear that black students would have much more relevant discussion points to make.

And you get surprised when I call you a joke poster

Oh no I guess that you get angry when people don't coddle you like you've been coddled your whole life. Need a pacifier? Or a tranquilizer so you can get back to sleep?
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thelovefist posted...

Once again gunplagirl is proving themselves to be the true bigot despite their tendency to label anyone that doesn't buy into their worldview as a bigot.

"What minorities want isn't equality it's superiority" /10
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DifferentialEquation posted...

gunplagirl posted...

"Now this is what it's like when trolls collide, now this is what it's liiiike."
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J E S U S posted...

gunplagirl posted...

shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.

ah ok, so all hhistory must be only discussed by relevant people. World history classes need dozens of professors for each region discussed. Chinese history from chinese people, ancient egyptian history from ancient egyptians only

You're awfully good at hyperboles that make little sense. This is about classroom discussions and who gets priority in discussion. So yeah, it makes sense that if a Chinese student wants to submit an idea to the class, or respond to a question somebody else asked, they'd be a better choice to answer if they so desire.
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tommybel89 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.

I'm sure black people are/were the only slaves in the history of mankind. White people for sure never did it.

Point is: No one has ownership of the topic.

Considering that there weren't any white slaves in early America, I'm gonna have to say you're being awfully silly
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tommybel89 posted...

Well I'm a dummy who didn't read the first post then! Also, I still think anyone can talk about it.

In a way you're kind of proving the point in the OP. Imagine if a class about slavery and racism was full of fragile white guys who constantly tried to interrupt meaningful conversation in order to defend themselves, even though they weren't being attacked. It'd be like trying to have a discussion about sexual assault on CE.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

gunplagirl posted...

shnangyboos posted...

And note that she doesn't really want to call on white males at all. Her bias isn't just for black people.

Ah yes, let's hear from a white guy all about slavery of black people.

Why would you assume that some 20 year old at an ivy league school is going to possess some keen insights or relevant personal experiences regarding slavery because of her gender and skin color?

Answered this in the post right before you said this. Systemic inequalities that can be dated back to those times.
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That_Happened posted...

tommybel89 posted...

Well I'm a dummy who didn't read the first post then! Also, I still think anyone can talk about it.

In a way you're kind of proving the point in the OP. Imagine if a class about slavery and racism was full of fragile white guys who constantly tried to interrupt meaningful conversation in order to defend themselves, even though they weren't being attacked. It'd be like trying to have a discussion about sexual assault on CE.

I don't think CE would have a problem with them not calling on students that are late to class or not making attention.
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Edited for my first thought as I read Anarchy's post

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

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That_Happened posted...

tommybel89 posted...

Well I'm a dummy who didn't read the first post then! Also, I still think anyone can talk about it.

In a way you're kind of proving the point in the OP. Imagine if a class about slavery and racism was full of fragile white guys who constantly tried to interrupt meaningful conversation in order to defend themselves, even though they weren't being attacked. It'd be like trying to have a discussion about sexual assault on CE.

This is the most meaningful and thought out post I've seen on this board in a long while.
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Still not sure what point gunpla is trying to make.

The only conclusion I can draw is students who match the demographics of those that were most negatively impacted by the subject of the class get priority acknowledgement. Am I following you right?

So like... WWII class should focus on Jewish input the most and German people the least? Oh wait, that would be really hard to figure out through visual cues... last names maybe?
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lol awesome @ That_Happened
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