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Dunno if this has been posted before but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ

inb4 lol buzzfeed, liberal media and the like

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@The_Admiral
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@Caution999

Here are the questions they asked for fairness' sake

If your parents worked nights and weekends to support your family, take one step back.
If you are able to move through the world without fear of sexual assault, take one step forward.
If you can show affection for your romantic partner in public without fear of ridicule or violence, take one step forward.
If you have ever been diagnosed as having a physical or mental illness/disability, take one step back.
If the primary language spoken in your household growing up was not english, take one step back.
If you came from a supportive family environment take one step forward.
If you have ever tried to change your speech or mannerisms to gain credibility, take one step back.
If you can go anywhere in the country, and easily find the kinds of hair products you need and/or cosmetics that match your skin color, take one step forward.
If you were embarrassed about your clothes or house while growing up, take one step back.
If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group, take one step forward.
If you can legally marry the person you love, regardless of where you live, take one step forward.
If you were born in the United States, take one step forward.
If you or your parents have ever gone through a divorce, take one step back.
If you felt like you had adequate access to healthy food growing up, take one step forward
If you are reasonably sure you would be hired for a job based on your ability and qualifications, take one step forward.
If you would never think twice about calling the police when trouble occurs, take one step forward.
If you can see a doctor whenever you feel the need, take one step forward.
If you feel comfortable being emotionally expressive/open, take one step forward.
If you have ever been the only person of your race/gender/socio-economic status/ sexual orientation in a classroom or workplace setting, please take one step back.
If you took out loans for your education take one step backward.
If you get time off for your religious holidays, take one step forward.
If you had a job during your high school and college years, take one step back.
If you feel comfortable walking home alone at night, take one step forward.
If you have ever traveled outside the United States, take one step forward.
If you have ever felt like there was NOT adequate or accurate representation of your racial group, sexual orientation group, gender group, and/or disability group in the media, take one step back.
If you feel confident that your parents would be able to financially help/support you if you were going through a financial hardship, take one step forward.
If you have ever been bullied or made fun of based on something that you cant change, take one step back.
If there were more than 50 books in your house growing up, take one step forward.
If you studied the culture or the history of your ancestors in elementary school take one step forward.
If your parents or guardians attended college, take one step forward.
If you ever went on a family vacation, take one step forward.
If you can buy new clothes or go out to dinner when you want to, take one step forward.
If you were ever offered a job because of your association with a friend or family member, take one step forward.
If one of your parents was ever laid off or unemployed not by choice, take one step back.
If you were ever uncomfortable about a joke or a statement you overheard related to your race, ethnicity, gender, appearance, or sexual orientation but felt unsafe to confront the situation, take one step back.

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At work will watch later
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I'm a straight, white man, so according to SJW's, I'm automatically the most privileged person there could possibly be.

Let's answer the questions:

If your parents worked nights and weekends to support your family, take one step back. Back one step.
If you are able to move through the world without fear of sexual assault, take one step forward. Been sexually assaulted a few times, so staying put.
If you can show affection for your romantic partner in public without fear of ridicule or violence, take one step forward. Live in a conservative town, so I can't. Staying put.
If you have ever been diagnosed as having a physical or mental illness/disability, take one step back. Clinical depression that caused a suicide attempt. Back one steps, total two steps back.
If the primary language spoken in your household growing up was not english, take one step back. Staying put. Two steps back total.
If you came from a supportive family environment take one step forward. Too poor for that. Staying put, two steps back.
If you have ever tried to change your speech or mannerisms to gain credibility, take one step back. I'm pretty sure EVERYONE has done this multiple times throughout their life. One step back, totalling 3.
If you can go anywhere in the country, and easily find the kinds of hair products you need and/or cosmetics that match your skin color, take one step forward. Someone's never been to a Walmart. Literally everyone in America can take a step forward unless they live in the middle of nowhere. One step forward, totalling two steps back.
If you were embarrassed about your clothes or house while growing up, take one step back. One step back, totalling three.
If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group, take one step forward. I'm a white person on CE, so staying put. Three steps back.
If you can legally marry the person you love, regardless of where you live, take one step forward. Staying put, because it takes more than just love to be able to marry someone. Three steps back.
If you were born in the United States, take one step forward. This argument pretty much kills the SJW privilege argument, because, as conservatives point out often, it isn't about color or sexuality - it's about money, and Americans are better off than any other nation in the world. One step forward, totalling two steps back.
If you or your parents have ever gone through a divorce, take one step back. Again, not sure the point here, since half of all marriages end in divorce. Back one step, totalling three.
If you felt like you had adequate access to healthy food growing up, take one step forward Define access. The grocery store in town sold it, just like every fucking grocery store in America, but my parents didn't often choose it for a variety of reasons, most of them being their own poor decision-making. Staying put, back three steps.
If you are reasonably sure you would be hired for a job based on your ability and qualifications, take one step forward. The only reason people aren't is because they're fed bullshit about racism that doesn't exist. Stepping forward, two steps back total.
If you would never think twice about calling the police when trouble occurs, take one step forward. As a white person, I'm the most likely to die at the hands of a cop, so I'm staying the fuck put. Two steps back.
If you can see a doctor whenever you feel the need, take one step forward. Thanks to Obamacare, I haven't been able to see a doctor in years. Staying put, two steps back.
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If you feel comfortable being emotionally expressive/open, take one step forward. No man should, since society has taught men for years that they aren't allowed to show emotions at all, ESPECIALLY emotions like anger or sadness. Staying put, two steps back.
If you have ever been the only person of your race/gender/socio-economic status/ sexual orientation in a classroom or workplace setting, please take one step back. Grew up in the ghetto and worked in the ghetto for years. One step back, totalling three.
If you took out loans for your education take one step backward. Still paying them off. One step back. Again, though, kills the "race means privilege" argument.
If you get time off for your religious holidays, take one step forward. Not in my line of work. Staying put, totalling four steps back.
If you had a job during your high school and college years, take one step back. Damned near every day since I was fifteen. One step back, totalling five.
If you feel comfortable walking home alone at night, take one step forward. Nope. Staying put.
If you have ever traveled outside the United States, take one step forward. Went to Canada a couple of times via car for dog shows, before you needed a passport to do so. One step forward, totalling four.
If you have ever felt like there was NOT adequate or accurate representation of your racial group, sexual orientation group, gender group, and/or disability group in the media, take one step back. Literally nobody should move, because statistical analyses have repeatedly proven that these representations are generally proportional. Staying put, four steps back.
If you feel confident that your parents would be able to financially help/support you if you were going through a financial hardship, take one step forward. Lol, no. I'm actually financially supporting my Dad through my financial hardship. Staying put, four steps back.
If you have ever been bullied or made fun of based on something that you cant change, take one step back. Again, this should be literally everyone. One step back, totalling five.
If there were more than 50 books in your house growing up, take one step forward. There were, on my own dime. Does that count? I don't think it should, so staying put five steps back.
If you studied the culture or the history of your ancestors in elementary school take one step forward. By fifth grade, I had not had any classes about the culture or history of the Irish, Germans, French, or Italians. Staying put, five steps back.
If your parents or guardians attended college, take one step forward. Staying put, five steps back.
If you ever went on a family vacation, take one step forward. Staying put, five steps back.
If you can buy new clothes or go out to dinner when you want to, take one step forward. For the weekend, I can, if I choose not to pay any bills. Does that count? I don't think so, so staying put, five steps back.
If you were ever offered a job because of your association with a friend or family member, take one step forward. Stepping forward - I've been offered two jobs thanks to nepotism. Not seeing what that has to do with white privilege, though. Four steps back total.
If one of your parents was ever laid off or unemployed not by choice, take one step back. And right back one step, for five.
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If you were ever uncomfortable about a joke or a statement you overheard related to your race, ethnicity, gender, appearance, or sexual orientation but felt unsafe to confront the situation, take one step back. Stepping back - only white person in the ghetto, remember? That puts me six steps back.

Looks like there's only one person standing behind me. So much privilege thanks to being a straight white man!!!!!
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The video starts with an example of someone who has to walk miles to get water compared to someone who just turns on the faucet -- which is extreme income and geographical privilege -- and then commingles this with nonsense like "if you can easily find the kinds of hair products you need."

This is why people don't take this rhetoric seriously.
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The Admiral posted...

The video starts with an example of someone who has to walk miles to get water compared to someone who just turns on the faucet -- which is extreme income and geographical privilege -- and then commingles this with nonsense like "if you can easily find the kinds of hair products you need."

This is why people don't take this rhetoric seriously.

Exactly. If we're going to define privilege as socioeconomic standing, then do it, and stop pretending "white privilege" or "male privilege" is a thing. If you want to use privilege to excuse your racism, you can't use blatant socioeconomic factors that have nothing to do with race to make your argument.
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I'm a white male, ended up 1 step back.
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Straight white male, ended up about 5 steps back
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Almost every single one of those is actually just privilege that comes from having well-off parents, and the ones specifically about race/religion/sex are fucking stupid. Look at this one:

If you have ever been the only person of your race/gender/socio-economic status/ sexual orientation in a classroom or workplace setting, please take one step back.

^ This is something ONLY a bigot would have a problem with. Imagine if a white guy were like "Hey, everyone else in this room is black, so I don't feel comfortable". They would get (rightfully) ridiculed as a horrible racist, yet to these people it's somehow an example of negative privilege?

awesome999 posted...

lol buzzfeed, liberal media and the like

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darkjedilink posted...

I'm a straight, white man, so according to SJW's, I'm automatically the most privileged person there could possibly be.

Let's answer the questions:

If your parents worked nights and weekends to support your family, take one step back. Back one step.
If you are able to move through the world without fear of sexual assault, take one step forward. Been sexually assaulted a few times, so staying put.
If you can show affection for your romantic partner in public without fear of ridicule or violence, take one step forward. Live in a conservative town, so I can't. Staying put.
If you have ever been diagnosed as having a physical or mental illness/disability, take one step back. Clinical depression that caused a suicide attempt. Back one steps, total two steps back.
If the primary language spoken in your household growing up was not english, take one step back. Staying put. Two steps back total.
If you came from a supportive family environment take one step forward. Too poor for that. Staying put, two steps back.
If you have ever tried to change your speech or mannerisms to gain credibility, take one step back. I'm pretty sure EVERYONE has done this multiple times throughout their life. One step back, totalling 3.
If you can go anywhere in the country, and easily find the kinds of hair products you need and/or cosmetics that match your skin color, take one step forward. Someone's never been to a Walmart. Literally everyone in America can take a step forward unless they live in the middle of nowhere. One step forward, totalling two steps back.
If you were embarrassed about your clothes or house while growing up, take one step back. One step back, totalling three.
If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group, take one step forward. I'm a white person on CE, so staying put. Three steps back.
If you can legally marry the person you love, regardless of where you live, take one step forward. Staying put, because it takes more than just love to be able to marry someone. Three steps back.
If you were born in the United States, take one step forward. This argument pretty much kills the SJW privilege argument, because, as conservatives point out often, it isn't about color or sexuality - it's about money, and Americans are better off than any other nation in the world. One step forward, totalling two steps back.
If you or your parents have ever gone through a divorce, take one step back. Again, not sure the point here, since half of all marriages end in divorce. Back one step, totalling three.
If you felt like you had adequate access to healthy food growing up, take one step forward Define access. The grocery store in town sold it, just like every fucking grocery store in America, but my parents didn't often choose it for a variety of reasons, most of them being their own poor decision-making. Staying put, back three steps.
If you are reasonably sure you would be hired for a job based on your ability and qualifications, take one step forward. The only reason people aren't is because they're fed bullshit about racism that doesn't exist. Stepping forward, two steps back total.
If you would never think twice about calling the police when trouble occurs, take one step forward. As a white person, I'm the most likely to die at the hands of a cop, so I'm staying the fuck put. Two steps back.
If you can see a doctor whenever you feel the need, take one step forward. Thanks to Obamacare, I haven't been able to see a doctor in years. Staying put, two steps back.

You're still male and white. Your privilege needs to be checked.
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So straight white male in San Diego and I'm 6 steps back.

What's this prove?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

So straight white male in San Diego and I'm 6 steps back.

What's this prove?

not allowed to take this quiz if you're a white male. Your privilege is extended into the Marvel multiverse. Take 1000000000 steps forward.
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all of these can be appliable to anyone. except the "speak english at home".

not everyone lives in english speaking countries.
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If your parents weren't financially ready to have a child and weren't invested in providing an out-of-school education to you as a child/young adult, then that sucks. But "white male" privilege definitely extends to South Asians (Indians/Pakistanis) and East or Southeast Asians (Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Filipino, Vietnamese) in a very broad way as well, at least in the U.S., in my experience. I'd argue that in today's corporate environment, women of any race are able to very competitive if not favored compared with their male counterparts. Being bilingual in Spanish is usually seen as a very good thing also.
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some people don't have internet and you do tc

guess what that means?
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Wow darkjedilink is in such bad shape that he triple-posted to answer each question and actually tried to beat the system on technicalities, like "I'm a white person on CE, so therefore my mistakes ARE attributed to my race" and "I can't marry the person I love because it takes more than love to get married."

Might be the worst poster on the boards.
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1. My dad was a lazy (and abusive) bum, my mom had MS, so I guess that is what privilege means.
2. So because there are people in the world who believe same sex relationships are the work of the devil, I have privilege.
3. My wife is overweight, so no steps taken here.
4. One step back (Asperger + depression, though I disagree on the notion being mentally healthy as a privilege).
5. What kind of dumbass question is this, if I travel 100 miles to the East, the primary language becomes German instead of Dutch.
6. No steps taken here.
7. I supose this implies acting white. How about me acting in a way to stop bullying? Would that imply privilege?
8. There are litteraly thousands of cosmetic items. Then again I am a simple guy, so all I need Is shampoo and some showring gel. I fail to see the privilege in basic hygene.
9. As stated, I was bullied and my dad was a bum, so I had shoddy clothing.
10. Men are attributed their flaws on being men all the fucking time, they kind of shoot themselves in the foot with this one.
11. Mixed sex marriage is not a privilege, but a standard. It is fucking disgusting that same sex marriages aren't legal everywhere though.
12. Funny, being a US citizen is the highest privilege on can attain, regardless of skin colour. Another dumbass question. (I'm European).
13. So, parents not divorcing is privilege? It's better they stay together and constantly fight infront of their kids, amirite? (For the record, mine are divorced and I am glad they did).
14. I didn't, but I once again attribute that to my dad.
15. So first they want to make the arguement that your skin colour implies privilege, but then being able get hired on your merrit, rather than the colour of your skin, is privilege aswell? Or are they suggesting people should get hired to meet racial quotas?
16. Not sure what the implication is here.
17. Basic healthcare is not a privilege, it is a right. (Again, European).
18. I don't, never have (aspergers) but I don't agree with it being a privilege, since this is something extremely personal.
19. Do I have to match all the boxes? Like even though I was the only guy in a class, I wasn't the only straight person.
20. Unles you come from high wealth, everyone takes a step back. Doesn't mean if you habe money that you don't have to work for a degree.
21. Not sure how it ia in the US, but here Muslims get time off for the Ramadan.
22. I had a job, but I just wanted spending money.
23. I don't, but it's not relevant to the colour of my skin.
24. I have, but I am not American. Fail to see the privilege here.
25. If the majority of the country is x, wouldn't but weird it it wasn't like that in the media?
26. Given the abuse I had to suffer from my dad, and neglect from my mom, I never had to expect anything.
27. I was bullied through school and high school. Though I believe not being bullied is not privilege, it shoukd be the norm.
28. Fail to see where the privilege is in this.
29. I learned my own ancestors culture and history, but also that of others. Where is the privilege?
30. So, my mom and having an education translates to me being privileged?
31. My parents were poor as dirt.
32. So, working hard for my money so I can buy clothes is privilege?
33. Never had this happen. Nepotism is something I disagree with, but if they end up being a good employee, I don't see much harm it.
34. My mom couldn't work (MS) and my dad never worked a day in his life.
35. Like I mentioned earlier, I was bullied. Though this question implies that only minorities are made to feel this way.

For full disclosure, I am a straight white male, I live in Europe.
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I'm not a white man but everything on this list would make me "super privileged".
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So from what I'm getting lack of privilege is just an excuse to be a shit human being and it not be your fault?
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If your parents worked nights and weekends to support your family, take one step back. Step back
If you are able to move through the world without fear of sexual assault, take one step forward. I mean... it could happen, but I don't live in fear of it. Ill stay put
If you can show affection for your romantic partner in public without fear of ridicule or violence, take one step forward. I don't have a romantic partner and never have had one. Staying put.
If you have ever been diagnosed as having a physical or mental illness/disability, take one step back. I used to have a large problem with iron deficiency. Its nothing serious but I'm stepping back. They should be more specific though.
If the primary language spoken in your household growing up was not english, take one step back. Staying put
If you came from a supportive family environment take one step forward. Taking a step forwards
If you have ever tried to change your speech or mannerisms to gain credibility, take one step back. Who hasn't lol? Taking a step back
If you can go anywhere in the country, and easily find the kinds of hair products you need and/or cosmetics that match your skin color, take one step forward. Stepping forward I guess. I could be a scrub and say they don't have much stores in Nunavut but meh.
If you were embarrassed about your clothes or house while growing up, take one step back. Yeah but that was on me. Still taking a step back though
If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group, take one step forward. "Boys will be boys" staying put
If you can legally marry the person you love, regardless of where you live, take one step forward. I guess I will take a step forward? I don't really get the question
If you were born in the United States, take one step forward. Staying put
If you or your parents have ever gone through a divorce, take one step back. I'm taking a step back. They currently are getting separated for a divorce
If you felt like you had adequate access to healthy food growing up, take one step forward stepping forward
If you are reasonably sure you would be hired for a job based on your ability and qualifications, take one step forward. Stepping forward
If you would never think twice about calling the police when trouble occurs, take one step forward. Stepping forward
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If you can see a doctor whenever you feel the need, take one step forward. Staying put
If you feel comfortable being emotionally expressive/open, take one step forward. Staying put
If you have ever been the only person of your race/gender/socio-economic status/ sexual orientation in a classroom or workplace setting, please take one step back. Taking a step back
If you took out loans for your education take one step backward. Staying put
If you get time off for your religious holidays, take one step forward. I'm not religious. Staying put.
If you had a job during your high school and college years, take one step back. Step back
If you feel comfortable walking home alone at night, take one step forward. Staying put
If you have ever traveled outside the United States, take one step forward. I don't even live in America. I'm not taking a step forward for that lol
If you have ever felt like there was NOT adequate or accurate representation of your racial group, sexual orientation group, gender group, and/or disability group in the media, take one step back. Staying put
If you feel confident that your parents would be able to financially help/support you if you were going through a financial hardship, take one step forward. Stepping forward
If you have ever been bullied or made fun of based on something that you cant change, take one step back. Taking a step back
If there were more than 50 books in your house growing up, take one step forward. Stepping forward
If you studied the culture or the history of your ancestors in elementary school take one step forward. Staying put
If your parents or guardians attended college, take one step forward. Step forward
If you ever went on a family vacation, take one step forward. Step forward
If you can buy new clothes or go out to dinner when you want to, take one step forward. Staying put
If you were ever offered a job because of your association with a friend or family member, take one step forward. Staying put
If one of your parents was ever laid off or unemployed not by choice, take one step back. Step back
If you were ever uncomfortable about a joke or a statement you overheard related to your race, ethnicity, gender, appearance, or sexual orientation but felt unsafe to confront the situation, take one step back. Ehhh. Probably at some point in time. I mean I'm sexually attracted to men. But not romantically. Step back
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So I have a privilege of negative 1 on the super official privilege scale. for context im a white mainly straight male
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Nazanir posted...

2. So because there are people in the world who believe same sex relationships are the work of the devil, I have privilege.

That's how it works, yes. Society sees your relationships as "normal" and they don't try to prevent you from getting married to the person you love. That is a privilege.

There's actually a better video of something like this out there, where after all of the questions the group leader repeats "Every statement I've made has NOTHING to do with anything any of you have done. Nothing to do with any decisions you have made. We all know the people up front have a better opportunity to win the race. Does that mean the people in the back can't race? Nope. But we'd be foolish to not realize that some of us have been given a head start. They've still gotta win their race, you've still gotta run yours."
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The Admiral posted...

The video starts with an example of someone who has to walk miles to get water compared to someone who just turns on the faucet -- which is extreme income and geographical privilege -- and then commingles this with nonsense like "if you can easily find the kinds of hair products you need."

This is why people don't take this rhetoric seriously.

This, really. Some of the questions were good but a good number were just pointless first world problems.

That_Happened posted...

Nazanir posted...

2. So because there are people in the world who believe same sex relationships are the work of the devil, I have privilege.

That's how it works, yes. Society sees your relationships as "normal" and they don't try to prevent you from getting married to the person you love. That is a privilege.

There's actually a better video of something like this out there, where after all of the questions the group leader repeats "Every statement I've made has NOTHING to do with anything any of you have done. Nothing to do with any decisions you have made. We all know the people up front have a better opportunity to win the race. Does that mean the people in the back can't race? Nope. But we'd be foolish to not realize that some of us have been given a head start. They've still gotta win their race, you've still gotta run yours."

The fact that some people are biggots doesn't make me privileged, it just makes them assholes.
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Nazanir posted...

The fact that some people are biggots doesn't make me privileged, it just makes them assholes.

It means both. And it's not "some people." Literally the majority of the country was against gay marriage until very, very recently.

Again, that's the point of the privilege discussion: it has nothing to do with your decisions in life or anything you did. It has to do with society seeing you as "normal" or "harmless" or "less dangerous than others" or "smarter" or "more capable" or "the standard," and thus you're given advantages (or if you want to look at it another way, people who aren't seen as any of those things are put at a disadvantage).
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That_Happened posted...

"Every statement I've made has NOTHING to do with anything any of you have done. Nothing to do with any decisions you have made. We all know the people up front have a better opportunity to win the race. Does that mean the people in the back can't race? Nope. But we'd be foolish to not realize that some of us have been given a head start. They've still gotta win their race, you've still gotta run yours."

I think this is a good way to look at it, but I feel like whenever privilege is talked about, its just used to generalize and just throw in other peoples' faces and disregard their struggles. Or used by people to exaggerate their own problems and pretend they have it way worse than they really do.

@That_Happened gotta take the quiz to criticize other people for it :V
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That_Happened posted...

Nazanir posted...

The fact that some people are biggots doesn't make me privileged, it just makes them assholes.

It means both. And it's not "some people." Literally the majority of the country was against gay marriage until very, very recently.

Again, that's the point of the privilege discussion: it has nothing to do with your decisions in life or anything you did. It has to do with society seeing you as "normal" or "harmless" or "less dangerous than others" or "smarter" or "more capable" or "the standard," and thus you're given advantages (or if you want to look at it another way, people who aren't seen as any of those things are put at a disadvantage).

Which why this list is all the more inane.

I will be judged mainly on my exterior which are male and white, but that was never my choosing. On top of that, these questions are extremely shallow and highlight the issue extremely well (ironically) on judging someone soley on their gender and skin colour.
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Nazanir posted...

Which why this list is all the more inane.

You should probably learn the difference between "This doesn't make sense" and "I don't understand this." Just because you don't understand the significance of the questions doesn't actually make them inane. EDIT: And more importantly, you admit you've been diagnosed with aspergers. That means you probably struggle with nonliteral phrases and social issues, so of COURSE you don't understand why many of these questions would be related to privilege.

Nazanir posted...

I will be judged mainly on my exterior which are male and white, but that was never my choosing.

And male/white is going to get you ahead in virtually every way in America--one of the exceptions being wacko feminist blogs and liberal internet forums. But being white and male is an overall gain in America, not a loss. (You admit you're European so I'm not sure if this quiz even applies to you at this point)

Kaname_Madoka posted...

@That_Happened gotta take the quiz to criticize other people for it :V

I'm white, straight, and male and I rarely have to even think about most of the things on that list. I know I'm privileged. I'm not giving any of that privilege up, but if I pretended like I had it rough because of an occasional liberal Buzzfeed whine-fest I'd be a fragile, pathetic little liar.
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15 steps forward. I guess I'm pretty privileged.
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It's really only on CE that I seriously see a lot of people take it really personally when someone suggests that being white and male has its social advantages...
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Fishy posted...

So from what I'm getting lack of privilege is just an excuse to be a shit human being and it not be your fault?

I've been saying that for years.
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pinky0926 posted...

It's really only on CE that I seriously see a lot of people take it really personally when someone suggests that being white and male has its social advantages...

Maybe you're only ever on CE? Seriously - get out of the echo chamber.

Hell, actually read the posts discrediting the video.
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darkjedilink posted...

pinky0926 posted...

It's really only on CE that I seriously see a lot of people take it really personally when someone suggests that being white and male has its social advantages...

Maybe you're only ever on CE? Seriously - get out of the echo chamber.

Hell, actually read the posts discrediting the video.

It's more like only on CE do a significant amount of people actually struggle with the basic concept that not everybody experiences life the same way due to their sex and race.

I'm sure if we were discussing the ways in which men are disadvantaged in society you would wholeheartedly agree, so why is this hard?
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When did it become a negative in this country to have some advantages that our parents worked hard to provide for? I thought that was what we were aiming for in the post-war, post-Depression eras in the U.S.?

EnterTheTekken posted...

When did it become a negative in this country to have some advantages that our parents worked hard to provide for? I thought that was what we were aiming for in the post-war, post-Depression eras in the U.S.?

It's not a negative that you have, it's a negative that someone else doesn't

Btw, I live in a SE Asia shithole and ended up at +7 so... yeah MAGA I guess
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EnterTheTekken posted...

When did it become a negative in this country to have some advantages that our parents worked hard to provide for?

It's not just that our parents worked hard. It's that our parents were given a hell of a head start in most cases. My parents grew up before the Civil Rights act was passed, in homes with my grandparents who were given INCREDIBLE head starts over minorities from the 1920s and 30s. They worked hard too but they all got a lot of great advantages that others didn't get. I feel no guilt over this, but the people who pretend as if they got to where they are all by themselves just make me laugh. Craig T. Nelson famously said "I've been on food stamps and welfare, anybody ever help me out? NO." It's an incredible disconnect that some white people (mostly conservative) have.
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pinky0926 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

pinky0926 posted...

It's really only on CE that I seriously see a lot of people take it really personally when someone suggests that being white and male has its social advantages...

Maybe you're only ever on CE? Seriously - get out of the echo chamber.

Hell, actually read the posts discrediting the video.

It's more like only on CE do a significant amount of people actually struggle with the basic concept that not everybody experiences life the same way due to their sex and race.

I'm sure if we were discussing the ways in which men are disadvantaged in society you would wholeheartedly agree, so why is this hard?

Except the argument always is men are NOT disadvantaged. Nor are white people.

If you're going to argue, be sincere.
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darkjedilink posted...

If you're going to argue, be sincere.

darkjedilink posted...

If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group, take one step forward. I'm a white person on CE, so staying put. Three steps back.
If you can legally marry the person you love, regardless of where you live, take one step forward. Staying put, because it takes more than just love to be able to marry someone. Three steps back.

Worst poster on this board. By far.
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Gonna watch when I take lunch break
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The Admiral posted...

The video starts with an example of someone who has to walk miles to get water compared to someone who just turns on the faucet -- which is extreme income and geographical privilege -- and then commingles this with nonsense like "if you can easily find the kinds of hair products you need."

This is why people don't take this rhetoric seriously.

What if you don't even buy hair products
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If you took out a quarter million dollars' worth of loans and got a degree in gender studies, take 100 steps back
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darkjedilink posted...

If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group, take one step forward. I'm a white person on CE, so staying put. Three steps back.

lol
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Coffeebeanz posted...

The Admiral posted...

The video starts with an example of someone who has to walk miles to get water compared to someone who just turns on the faucet -- which is extreme income and geographical privilege -- and then commingles this with nonsense like "if you can easily find the kinds of hair products you need."

This is why people don't take this rhetoric seriously.

What if you don't even buy hair products

I think that one is a case of "Do companies consider you worth marketing to" or something like that put in layman's terms

The important thing is not "will you" but rather "if you wanted to, can you"?
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If you can make mistakes and not have people attribute your behavior to flaws in your racial/gender group

Wonder how this was stated non-ironically. "You cis white men are the worst. Nobody generalizes you like they do us!'
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awesome999 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

The Admiral posted...

The video starts with an example of someone who has to walk miles to get water compared to someone who just turns on the faucet -- which is extreme income and geographical privilege -- and then commingles this with nonsense like "if you can easily find the kinds of hair products you need."

This is why people don't take this rhetoric seriously.

What if you don't even buy hair products

I think that one is a case of "Do companies consider you worth marketing to" or something like that put in layman's terms

I'm into weird bisexual kinky shit but I don't expect it to be in Wal-Mart any time soon.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Wonder how this was stated non-ironically. "You cis white men are the worst. Nobody generalizes you like they do us!'

I have to go searching through feminist blogs and my most liberal facebook friends' walls to see any mention of the word "cis." Meanwhile, generalizations about minority groups are all over the place in the mainstream. That's why it was stated non-ironically. No one IRL gives a shit that I'm straight, white, cis, or male.
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