Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 423: Smackdown vs BRAUUUUUN

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Listening to Dave bemoan Kane beating Balor on Raw

I didnt know he basically squashed him AND he took out Rollins/Ambrose/Styles!

LOL Vince
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Gotta make [KANE] look strong.
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Yeah screw getting over the idea that Balor can beat big guys to prep him for Brock at the Rumble

Gotta build up Kane for a match with Strowman that probably wont even be on PPV

Does anyone even WANT a competitive Braun vs Kane match? We want Braun to squash him!
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The reason behind Nia Jaxs much-discussed leave of absence has been uncovered, as Sports Illustrated learned that Jax balked at the idea of losing clean to Sasha Banks at TLC. She called her cousin, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, to ask for his advice, and Johnson encouraged her to walk away if she was unhappy.
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Good for her, to be honest

They hype her up as this monster of the women's division and then have her lose clean to Sasha every other week.
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Look out Asuka, youre next!
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At the same time, Nia is also horribly unsafe and shouldn't even be wrestling on the main roster. She's been protected since she debuted on NXT, so of course she feels like she needs to keep being protected. Frankly, there's nothing wrong with her being the big badass that is also beatable. I'm sure she's also upset over her Alexa storyline going in a complete circle, but this sounds more like she was promised her shot at Alexa that kept getting delayed for various reasons, the top one likely being Asuka's return after her NXT injury.
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How has she been protected, exactly? She's lost almost every big match she's been in. She hasn't been "a big badass that is also beatable." She's just been "beatable."
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She dominates every match but PPV matches and every big match is huge struggle for anyone to beat her. Every segment with her in it revolves around everyone being afraid to fight her. Apparently Mickie almost had her beat and they still protected her from being pinned on Raw still.
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Roman Reigns is GARBAGE! Now Braun is, too!
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Every segment with her in it revolves around everyone being afraid to fight her.

Which is what makes it even worse, because they have people being afraid to fight her... But then she keeps losing. The woman has a 27% winning percentage, which... Yeah, a lot of it comes from tag matches, but then you also have things like Becky and Sasha making her tap out (Sasha almost three times) that plainly says... She's only "protected" so far as they want it to still seem like a big deal when Sasha always beats her. She's being protected as a feeder fish, which is much different and I wouldn't blame her at all for getting annoyed.
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I just remember her tapping out last Survivor Series tbqh and going "well there goes her credibility as a monster"
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yeah there was always a huge disconnect between what we were told about nia and what we actually saw from nia
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Maybe Rock, one of the safest workers of all time should have told the dumbass to stop hurting the other women...

And if Rock did cost us Nia forever, I think I might move Rocky to #1 from number 2 on my all time favorites list.

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

Maybe Rock, one of the safest workers of all time

I wonder if Mick Foley agrees with that.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

Maybe Rock, one of the safest workers of all time

I wonder if Mick Foley agrees with that.

He didn't book that.

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

Maybe Rock, one of the safest workers of all time

I wonder if Mick Foley agrees with that.

He didn't book that.

No but he did choose to go above and beyond
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StealThisSheen posted...

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

Maybe Rock, one of the safest workers of all time

I wonder if Mick Foley agrees with that.

He didn't book that.

No but he did choose to go above and beyond

He thought Foley was offering himself up.

I've seen the match enough. I would have too. It doesn't remotely seem like Foley is doing anything else except saying hit me again.

So you're absolving Rock of any blame whatsoever and saying it was Foley's fault?
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StealThisSheen posted...

So you're absolving Rock of any blame whatsoever and saying it was Foley's fault?

No. not at all. I don't blame either of them.

I don't mind Nia losing more, but I kinda hate Sasha tapping her out. It's just not credible. Sasha looks so scrawny and weak that she'd need some sorta exceptional leverage of situation to get that Bank Statement on her. If she was a little bigger or actually fit rather than just skinny I could maybe buy it, but like Nia could literally just thrash about and Sasha ain't holding that move in-- you could do it once in a great while in a huge moment where Nia's basically out of it, but not 3 times in a year.
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Lopen posted...

I don't mind Nia losing more, but I kinda hate Sasha tapping her out. It's just not credible. Sasha looks so scrawny and weak that she'd need some sorta exceptional leverage of situation to get that Bank Statement on her. If she was a little bigger or actually fit rather than just skinny I could maybe buy it, but like Nia could literally just thrash about and Sasha ain't holding that move in-- you could do it once in a great while in a huge moment where Nia's basically out of it, but not 3 times in a year.

It's her finisher...

Would you have a problem with Vader tapping to the Sharpshooter?

If James Ellsworth, who is the size of guy you'd need to be doing it for the comparison to be valid, was doing the Sharpshooter, I probably would, yeah.
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Nia is literally over double Sasha's weight and over half a foot taller

Vader ain't that much bigger than Bret or Rock

If it was Vader in a sharpshooter from like, Noam Dar, then sure, I'd have a problem with it.
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Sharpshooter also requires a lot less active suspension of disbelief in general. Like, once Bret has it on the guy and turns em over, at that point Gravity is doing the work in keeping em there to some extent and it's sorta on them to get out moreso than him needing to exert a ton to keep it in.

Sasha's like, exerting enough force that she's pulling back on their neck. Gravity is actively fighting her there. I fully believe that in a real fight Nia could just deadweight her and she couldn't apply the Bank Statement, because Sasha's arms are so scrawny. I also believe that Nia has a rock solid counter of just rolling onto her side and crushing Sasha.

If we assume that Vader has been put in a Sharpshooter, and is weakened, in a real fight I think it's at least feasible that Bret could keep him there.

If Sasha had a different submission finish that required less strength to maintain, or was a bit stronger looking I probably wouldn't mind-- it's just a bit too much though.
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Lopen posted...

If James Ellsworth, who is the size of guy you'd need to be doing it for the comparison to be valid, was doing the Sharpshooter, I probably would, yeah.

Fair enough.

What do you propose?

It's her finisher.

Should she be beaten by a roll up everytime? That makes her look far far worse IMO. Since she is so big.

I'm fine with her being alligator clutched for every loss. But Vince isn't gonna do that.

I hate roll ups so that's never the answer.

I'd rather her use moves she doesn't use very often for the task. Like a Tornado DDT or something. If you really want to tap her out use a kneebar or something that isn't solved by "Nia rolls over." Interesting story to the match would be "bank statement literally doesn't work, figure it out"
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Lopen posted...

I hate roll ups so that's never the answer.

I'd rather her use moves she doesn't use very often for the task. Like a Tornado DDT or something. If you really want to tap her out use a kneebar or something that isn't solved by "Nia rolls over." Interesting story to the match would be "bank statement literally doesn't work, figure it out"

That's fine (that's actually really good now that you mention it) for the first match. But if she has 3 matches and everytime the story is "your finisher is worthless, take a detour" that buries her finisher deep deep underground.

Not really. It buries her finisher as usable against Nia Jax. It is fine, cause she can use it against anyone else. If anything it starts building another move of hers as "a thing that can routinely kill Nia Jax so now she has two killing weapons."

I mean I could maybe see her using The Bank Statement one time with some sorta exceptional circumstance. Like a Falls Count Anywhere match where she can basically KO Nia with some weird floor bump and then tear up some padding off the floor and put the padding gimmick between her and Nia to prevent her from rolling out. Something like that, I dunno. There are a lot of ways to do it but it should be more than "ha ha I hit my finisher on you GG" cause it shouldn't be that easy.
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Worst part is they did that match where Sasha had trouble keeping the Bank Statement on Bliss because her arm or shoulder or whatever was hurt... But then she kept it on Nia just fine in a match where Nia worked the arm
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Man, I'd have no problem with Noam Dar tapping Vader out to the Sharpshooter.

But only if he says Alicia Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawks before/during/after it.
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NXT usually got around the problem of the women's usual offense not working on Nia by said women coming up with a new trick, like Bayley hanging onto her head with all of her weight and choking her out. The main roster writers are not that clever
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If Mickie got at least one final title run, even if it was for 2wks, I'd be happy.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Man, I'd have no problem with Noam Dar tapping Vader out to the Sharpshooter.

But only if he says Alicia Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawks before/during/after it.

Touche. That does add to the power, after all.
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voltch posted...

The reason behind Nia Jaxs much-discussed leave of absence has been uncovered, as Sports Illustrated learned that Jax balked at the idea of losing clean to Sasha Banks at TLC. She called her cousin, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, to ask for his advice, and Johnson encouraged her to walk away if she was unhappy.

so she did it for the Rock?
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Jeff Jarrett supposedly check into WWE sponsored rehab.
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So Dave is saying that the rumors about Cena being guest ref for Brock vs Jinder are true, BUT hes the backup plan if they cant get who they really want, which he wouldnt reveal

Any ideas?
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Connor?
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The Rock

Or maybe HBK
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John Cena being the ref for a Brock vs Jinder match sounds really weird
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Panthera posted...

John Cena being the ref for a Brock vs Jinder match sounds really weird

Its because hes a FREE AGENT and thus would be even more unbiased than a regular ref from either brand

And then theoretically Brock wins and Jinder has some beef with a blown call and that sets up Jinder vs Cena for the Rumble
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Also Panthera posted...

a Brock vs Jinder match sounds really weird

In the first place
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Oh and Alvarez guessed Goldberg or Taker and Dave said its neither of them

I LOLed at the idea of dead man Taker as a referee
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Jakyl25 posted...

Oh and Alvarez guessed Goldberg or Taker and Dave said its neither of them

I LOLed at the idea of dead man Taker as a referee

How slow is the three count?
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When did Cena become a free agent?
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Hes been a free agent since he came back after WM

Thats why he could jump straight from a match with Corbin to feuding with Reigns

I dont know the justification as to WHY he is a free agent
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I mean I remember feuding with Reigns but I forget why he was on Raw in the first place

Comedy Option for ref: Heath Slater
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Jakyl25 posted...

I dont know the justification as to WHY he is a free agent

That's probably because they didn't provide any justification for it.
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Yeah in July they just declared he is magically exempt from being tied to a brand now
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