Poll of the Day > Kevin Spacey exposed as a pedophile

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JunkoEnoshima
10/31/17 4:43:06 PM
#152:


Mead posted...
I don't appreciate that

I have condemned his actions from the start in this topic

you're right, bad example, i was trying to make a point about how nobody actually faces consequences for what they post here. i'll delete it
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Jen0125
10/31/17 4:43:39 PM
#153:


it's too late, kana. you already called mead a pedophile sympathizer. this is exactly what i mean by inflammatory speech. especially what i mean when you're using the word pedophile. it's a serious word with a serious meaning.
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JunkoEnoshima
10/31/17 4:44:39 PM
#154:


Jen0125 posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
the things i'm saying wouldn't have been so radical only a year or two ago. america truly is in shambles

i think you're just really sensitive.

if cold indifference is how you're getting through the current climate then that's totally fine, i respect that

but that doesn't mean what i'm saying is wrong
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JunkoEnoshima
10/31/17 4:45:11 PM
#155:


Jen0125 posted...
it's too late, kana. you already called mead a pedophile sympathizer. this is exactly what i mean by inflammatory speech. especially what i mean when you're using the word pedophile. it's a serious word with a serious meaning.

i completely agree. kevin spacey is a pedophile and i hope he never gets another role again
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darcandkharg31
10/31/17 4:45:31 PM
#156:


JunkoEnoshima posted...
i'm chill tho

the things i'm saying wouldn't have been so radical only a year or two ago. america truly is in shambles

Naw, it's not radical, it was just wrong, and would've been wrong a year or two ago as well. Misusing words make them lose credibility, like how calling people a nazi is a joke now.
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JunkoEnoshima
10/31/17 4:46:12 PM
#157:


i already addressed the nazi thing pls stop bringing it up as if it's identical
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darcandkharg31
10/31/17 4:46:13 PM
#158:


JunkoEnoshima posted...
i completely agree. kevin spacey is a pedophile and i hope he never gets another role again

sex offender yes, pedophile nah.
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OhhhJa
10/31/17 4:46:19 PM
#159:


JunkoEnoshima posted...
Jen0125 posted...
lmao kana maybe you need another break from this place. jeez. >_>

i have also condemned his actions because he sexually harassed a teenage boy.

i'm chill tho

the things i'm saying wouldn't have been so radical only a year or two ago. america truly is in shambles

I mean... you're demonstrably incorrect yet you insist on being correct and insulting people who are actually correct
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JunkoEnoshima
10/31/17 4:47:51 PM
#160:


what part of "kevin spacey has preyed on one child that we know of, and likely more given what people in the industry have said" is demonstrably incorrect?
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OhhhJa
10/31/17 4:51:39 PM
#161:


JunkoEnoshima posted...
what part of "kevin spacey has preyed on one child that we know of, and likely more given what people in the industry have said" is demonstrably incorrect?

You know that's not at all what we're claiming you are wrong about
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Jen0125
10/31/17 4:56:02 PM
#162:


JunkoEnoshima posted...
what part of "kevin spacey has preyed on one child that we know of, and likely more given what people in the industry have said" is demonstrably incorrect?


the part where you claim he's a pedophile.

also you called mead a pedophile sympathizer.
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Lordgold666
10/31/17 4:58:36 PM
#163:


Haha playing that cod game now
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DarkKirby2500
10/31/17 5:03:01 PM
#164:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYpx8yXLmg

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Lobomoon
10/31/17 6:30:52 PM
#165:


If you talk smack about him now - would that be a hate crime?
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Zeus
10/31/17 7:30:14 PM
#166:


OmegaTomHank posted...
Zeus posted...
OmegaTomHank posted...
The incident as described was so minor and irrelevant and it didnt seem like he did anything to actually physically threaten or violate the kid.


Clearly you have a very different idea of inconsequential.


Perhaps.

However, the fact that this alleged victim didnt contact the police and didnt mention this until nearly 40 years later as a .. oh by the way this guy came on to me when I was 14 aside

Deep down he knows it wasnt very consequential himself


You're aware that a lot of forcible rape victims don't come forward immediately either, right? That doesn't mean that their claim automatically isn't legitimate, although it's obviously harder to prove.
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Jen0125
10/31/17 7:34:53 PM
#167:


Zeus, you're the one who says Trump's accusers aren't legitimate because Trump denied their accusations so gtfo of here. Christ.
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ClarkDuke
10/31/17 7:46:21 PM
#168:


Jen0125 posted...
Zeus, you're the one who says Trump's accusers aren't legitimate because Trump denied their accusations so gtfo of here. Christ.

Jen, he's a neo-nazi with 408 AMP, ok?

So quit your job, get unemployment, and up your AMP like him if you want to be taken seriously, ok?
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IAmNowGone
10/31/17 7:51:34 PM
#169:


Jen0125 posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
what is the importance of the distinction here? i dont care if hes more accurately described as something else, the fact remains that he has sexually engaged with a 14 year old boy and it probably wasnt the only time he did so, either. hes a dude who makes moves on teen boys. that is the important thing. the fact that this board is splitting hairs about this is really telling


the importance of the distinction is calling a spade a spade. you shouldn't label someone a pedophile when they aren't because people have a severe disgust for pedophiles. people will literally murder pedophiles. if you mislabel someone a pedophile you could be doing them harm that isn't due for them. you should should care if he's more accurately described as something else especially if what you're describing him as is something that is extremely inflammatory.

is what he did very wrong? yes. but he's not a pedophile. he's a man that attempted sexual advances on a teenage boy and should be treated accordingly. he didn't attempt sexual advances on a small child which is what pedophiles do.

14 year old teenage boys and girls willingly engage in sexual acts all the time with teens their own age and people that are older.

young children don't willingly engage in sexual acts with 26 year old men and women. that's the difference.


thank you jen.

Zikten posted...
ephebophila I think it's called


yes this. i fucking hate the word because its hard to spell and even harder to say. but this is what he is. and as far as the rumors go it seems like young twinks are his go to. not CHILDREN. get it right people.
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IAmNowGone
10/31/17 8:00:17 PM
#170:


also regarding the pedophila/ephebophila stupid debate, when i was a teen i wanted to be banged by my gym teacher.

as a matter of fucking fact, i was 11 and JUST hitting puberty having these thoughts. now im not saying its ok to do anyone around these thoughts but this shit isn't black and white. lots of grey.

being attracted to prepubescent kids is unnatural, gross, and abhorrent.
using your power and influence to molest or take advantage of a non-consensual person of age is gross and abhorrent.
assault in general is bad.

I don't think anyone disagrees. But we all need to stop throwing around the word pedophile as if it's a blanket statement to be used regarding ALL CASES of attraction to those under "adult" age.

gaaahhhhhhh dammit.
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HylianFox
10/31/17 9:02:52 PM
#171:


really, it's like saying a 17 y/o dating a 16 y/o is a "pedophile" because they're both underage
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Entity13
10/31/17 9:41:07 PM
#172:


31 years is a long time. People's memories are not infallible. What we have right now is the word of one man a few decades after the event--that shouldn't have even come close to happening--and the regret of another man who says he doesn't remember it at all. What we don't have is evidence, unfortunately.
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wah_wah_wah
10/31/17 9:57:56 PM
#173:


Whether or not he is a pedophile is like ignoring the substance of the outrage to focus on a small grammatical detail, like a period was out of place or something. It is myopic. Spacey stands accused of attempted rape and you're caught up on the offense of lexicon.

Also let's remember too that someone can be a great actor and also a rapist. Don't let your fandom of his work overshadow the experiences others have had of him.
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GhostGiblet
10/31/17 10:10:20 PM
#174:


wah_wah_wah posted...
Whether or not he is a pedophile is like ignoring the substance of the outrage to focus on a small grammatical detail, like a period was out of place or something. It is myopic. Spacey stands accused of attempted rape and you're caught up on the offense of lexicon.

Also let's remember too that someone can be a great actor and also a rapist. Don't let your fandom of his work overshadow the experiences others have had of him.

No. The myopic viewpoint is 'truth doesn't matter and you can say whatever you want because both things are bad so who cares'. It's wrong and has obvious negative real world consequences. It's also manipulative and fallacious to imply that anyone who objects to making a broad inaccurate statement is endorsing rape.
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wah_wah_wah
10/31/17 10:13:21 PM
#175:


GhostGiblet posted...

No. The myopic viewpoint is 'truth doesn't matter and you can say whatever you want because both things are bad so who cares'.

Nobody is making that idiotic point but you.
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GhostGiblet
10/31/17 10:26:47 PM
#176:


JunkoEnoshima posted...
the fact that this board is splitting hairs about this is really telling

wah_wah_wah posted...
Spacey stands accused of attempted rape and you're caught up on the offense of lexicon. .

How is what you are both saying not essentially:
"Objecting to an inaccurate statement isn't justified or worthwhile because we're dealing with attempted rape."

You don't have to reject all nuance of views on the situation to still condemn his actions. Refusing an inaccurate label is not an endorsement.
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wah_wah_wah
10/31/17 10:29:43 PM
#177:


GhostGiblet posted...

How is what you are both saying not essentially:
"Objecting to an inaccurate statement isn't justified or worthwhile because we're dealing with attempted rape."

We're not saying it because we never said it. We leave it to you to create your dumb ass straw men to fight all day. Maybe you can even force yourself on the straw man against its will and then debate endlessly if it was a straw teenager or straw child while ignoring that you're a sexual predator.
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Mead
10/31/17 10:31:39 PM
#178:


Look at how the straw man was dressed though
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wah_wah_wah
10/31/17 10:32:24 PM
#179:


Mead posted...
Look at how the straw man was dressed though

*stands and applauds*
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GhostGiblet
10/31/17 10:37:47 PM
#180:


Explain the distinction then. You said people are missing the point of the outrage by arguing about the term pedophile. How does that not imply that you can't both disagree with the label and condemn Spacey's actions? And nice, now you're associating me with rape for disagreeing with you which is exactly what I'm arguing against. Whatever.
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wah_wah_wah
10/31/17 10:41:30 PM
#181:


Let me ask you a question. What is more forgivable? Attempted rape, or using a word inappropriately? Actually let me rephrase the questin: which IS forgivable?
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Jen0125
10/31/17 10:45:13 PM
#182:


wah_wah_wah posted...
Whether or not he is a pedophile is like ignoring the substance of the outrage to focus on a small grammatical detail, like a period was out of place or something. It is myopic. Spacey stands accused of attempted rape and you're caught up on the offense of lexicon.

Also let's remember too that someone can be a great actor and also a rapist. Don't let your fandom of his work overshadow the experiences others have had of him.


No, Spacey stands accused of attempted seduction. The guy didn't say he was trying to force him to do anything. He said he was trying to seduce him.

At this point he hasn't been accused of anything forcible except moving him on a bed.
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wah_wah_wah
10/31/17 10:47:33 PM
#183:


Also it's not like we're calling someone who is a local chef at the children's hospital a pedophile erroneously. We are calling someone that is at bare minimum attempted a sexual assault. It makes me roll my eyes so fucking hard at the scenario that someone who is already gung-ho about killing a pedophile would be like, "Oh, he only raped a 14 year old boy? He is not a pedophile, he is this other term. My murderous rage has subsided." I mean what fucking planet do you people live on?

This is a serious crime we're discussing by a possible serial offender and rather than focus on that you focus on how those who are disgusted by this (unlike you) are not being precise in language. I say hey, at least they don't stand accused of raping someone. You guys are pathologically unable to keep it focused on the victims and their stories, and it's disgusting.
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Doctor Foxx
10/31/17 10:50:19 PM
#184:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/31/second-man-accuses-kevin-spacey-sexually-harassing/

A second person has made claims of sexual harassment. Perhaps more will come.

I'm floored at how much Spacey has had his career tanked and tainted by this (not that Spacey had an illustrious career in the last 15 years). He's done.

I'm glad people are paying attention to allegations and reacting. I'm also a little saddened by how much it stands out. If the reaction and career consequences were similar for celebrities accused of assaulting women (or 14 year old girls), Hollywood would have a different casting list. I hope this leads to taking sexual assault allegations more seriously across the board.
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Jen0125
10/31/17 10:52:38 PM
#185:


Idk am I the only one concerned that people are getting their careers ruined by allegations and not convictions? Or no? Are we just happy with witch hunts?
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helIy
10/31/17 11:06:16 PM
#186:


did he actually rape the dudes though
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Doctor Foxx
10/31/17 11:11:07 PM
#187:


Jen0125 posted...
Idk am I the only one concerned that people are getting their careers ruined by allegations and not convictions? Or no? Are we just happy with witch hunts?

No you're definitely not. That behavior (Spacey) is not ok. This went from a small posting on social media to a career tanked in a day. Meanwhile, Trump won't even see court for the pile of allegations against him. Casey Affleck has a career after multiple suits against him. Cosby had only his wholesome image left and despite how many women coming forward, some people still deny that he'd act that way. Spacey is out after 1 allegation, although I doubt that will be the last one against him.

This is to some extent a distraction that blew up right in time to take attention off of the indictment and testimony news. It also makes people feel like things get done about people that do those kinds of things. Sadly rarely anything happens.

Maybe people will take people coming forward about sexual assault more seriously after this. more likely Spacey had that come out at the wrong time (and himself managed to come out at the wrong time) and the lot of it is now a spectacle

Hollywood is full of scum
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ungubby
10/31/17 11:12:40 PM
#188:


OmniImmortal posted...
Am I weird to say that, if I was a 14 year-old guy, I'd let 27-year old Kevin Spacey do whatever he wanted to me?


came here to say this
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Syntheticon
10/31/17 11:17:25 PM
#189:


MICHALECOLE posted...
Exposed as a pedophile

Somebody claims he hit on them when they were 14.. thirty one years ago. He says he doesnt remember doing it and is still apologetic. He hasnt been found with child porn, he hasnt been found to be fucking underage people, he has been found to possibly making a horrible decision 31 years ago.

Labeling him a pedophile is silly

This. Inflammatory clickbait thread is inflammatory clickbait.
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Syntheticon
10/31/17 11:18:33 PM
#190:


helIy posted...
did he actually rape the dudes though

Nope. He was drunk and came on way too strong but ultimately took no for an answer before things even got anywhere near that.
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Syntheticon
10/31/17 11:20:33 PM
#191:


Jen0125 posted...
Idk am I the only one concerned that people are getting their careers ruined by allegations and not convictions? Or no? Are we just happy with witch hunts?

For once, you and I are in complete agreement.
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Jen0125
10/31/17 11:43:58 PM
#192:


Roman Polanski has been on the run from a rape charge of a teenage girl for years and Hollywood is falling over themselves to work with him and give him awards. How do they decide who to shun and who to reward when it comes to rape of other people?
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JunkoEnoshima
10/31/17 11:46:07 PM
#193:


Jen0125 posted...
Roman Polanski has been on the run from a rape charge of a teenage girl for years and Hollywood is falling over themselves to work with him and give him awards. How do they decide who to shun and who to reward when it comes to rape of other people?

that happened 40 years ago do you really think nothing has changed in that regard in the past 40 years? hell, in the past one year?
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helIy
10/31/17 11:47:28 PM
#194:


Syntheticon posted...
helIy posted...
did he actually rape the dudes though

Nope. He was drunk and came on way too strong but ultimately took no for an answer before things even got anywhere near that.

so then what the fuck is the problem
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dioxxys
10/31/17 11:51:06 PM
#195:


wah_wah_wah posted...
Also it's not like we're calling someone who is a local chef at the children's hospital a pedophile erroneously. We are calling someone that is at bare minimum attempted a sexual assault. It makes me roll my eyes so fucking hard at the scenario that someone who is already gung-ho about killing a pedophile would be like, "Oh, he only raped a 14 year old boy? He is not a pedophile, he is this other term. My murderous rage has subsided." I mean what fucking planet do you people live on?

This is a serious crime we're discussing by a possible serial offender and rather than focus on that you focus on how those who are disgusted by this (unlike you) are not being precise in language. I say hey, at least they don't stand accused of raping someone. You guys are pathologically unable to keep it focused on the victims and their stories, and it's disgusting.

I have this guy marked as troll
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OhhhJa
11/01/17 1:16:54 AM
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dioxxys posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Also it's not like we're calling someone who is a local chef at the children's hospital a pedophile erroneously. We are calling someone that is at bare minimum attempted a sexual assault. It makes me roll my eyes so fucking hard at the scenario that someone who is already gung-ho about killing a pedophile would be like, "Oh, he only raped a 14 year old boy? He is not a pedophile, he is this other term. My murderous rage has subsided." I mean what fucking planet do you people live on?

This is a serious crime we're discussing by a possible serial offender and rather than focus on that you focus on how those who are disgusted by this (unlike you) are not being precise in language. I say hey, at least they don't stand accused of raping someone. You guys are pathologically unable to keep it focused on the victims and their stories, and it's disgusting.

I have this guy marked as troll

I mean... his name is wah_wah_wah. That says all you need to know
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OhhhJa
11/01/17 1:20:21 AM
#198:


Jen0125 posted...

At this point he hasn't been accused of anything forcible except moving him on a bed.

He said he threw him on a bed and got on top of him though. I could see that being pretty frightening for a 14 year old boy
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Syntheticon
11/01/17 1:47:33 AM
#199:


OhhhJa posted...
Jen0125 posted...

At this point he hasn't been accused of anything forcible except moving him on a bed.

He said he threw him on a bed and got on top of him though. I could see that being pretty frightening for a 14 year old boy

To put it in context though, they were both at a party where there were people drinking (and Kevin admittedly had a little too much) so this wasn't an innocent little child. I'm not suggesting what happened was ok but I know I wasn't an innocent little wallflower at 14, sexually speaking and would have certainly tried to talk my way into a party with alcohol and good looking people.
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EvilMegas
11/01/17 5:51:59 AM
#200:


wah_wah_wah posted...
Mead posted...
Look at how the straw man was dressed though

*stands and applauds*

I came back for this.
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toelover
11/01/17 6:21:12 AM
#201:


14 is not pedophilia
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