Poll of the Day > Kevin Spacey exposed as a pedophile

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Syntheticon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Idk am I the only one concerned that people are getting their careers ruined by allegations and not convictions? Or no? Are we just happy with witch hunts?

For once, you and I are in complete agreement.

As if reputations are decided solely by what you are charged with in a court of law. There are many, many things you can get away with legally (particularly if you are wealthy and powerful). Cosby was never convicted of anything either, but would you say that he didn't rape people at this point simply because he wasn't convicted?

wah_wah_wah posted...

would you say that he didn't rape people at this point simply because he wasn't convicted?

Should do.
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Roman Polanski has been on the run from a rape charge of a teenage girl for years and Hollywood is falling over themselves to work with him and give him awards. How do they decide who to shun and who to reward when it comes to rape of other people?

that happened 40 years ago do you really think nothing has changed in that regard in the past 40 years? hell, in the past one year?

And also just because one rapist wasn't exposed, that means all rapists shouldn't be exposed?

VioletMassacre posted...

Also, pedophile =/= sex offender. Believe it or not, but pedophiles acually like children and can fall in love with them.

The problem is, the kids don't love THEM.

Syntheticon posted...

This. Inflammatory clickbait thread is inflammatory clickbait.

Yeah I mean attempting to rape a 14 year old is so much better.

wah_wah_wah posted...

Syntheticon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Idk am I the only one concerned that people are getting their careers ruined by allegations and not convictions? Or no? Are we just happy with witch hunts?

For once, you and I are in complete agreement.

As if reputations are decided solely by what you are charged with in a court of law. There are many, many things you can get away with legally (particularly if you are wealthy and powerful). Cosby was never convicted of anything either, but would you say that he didn't rape people at this point simply because he wasn't convicted?

it helps that Cosby pleaded guilty and admitted to doing it though
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wah_wah_wah posted...

Yeah I mean attempting to rape a 14 year old is so much better.

I don't think attempted rapists let their victims go when they ask.
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Like he said hes not a child humper. Hes just gay.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Yeah I mean attempting to rape a 14 year old is so much better.

I don't think attempted rapists let their victims go when they ask.

No but sexual predators might.
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OhhhJa posted...

Jen0125 posted...

At this point he hasn't been accused of anything forcible except moving him on a bed.

He said he threw him on a bed and got on top of him though. I could see that being pretty frightening for a 14 year old boy

Yes, I agree. I have stated if this is true it's not acceptable. But it certainly doesn't make Kevin Spacey a pedophile.
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Roman Polanski has been on the run from a rape charge of a teenage girl for years and Hollywood is falling over themselves to work with him and give him awards. How do they decide who to shun and who to reward when it comes to rape of other people?

that happened 40 years ago do you really think nothing has changed in that regard in the past 40 years? hell, in the past one year?

Roman Polanski has been making movies and receiving awards in the past forty years. He made movies in the past ten years even that have been critically acclaimed.
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OneTimeBen posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Yeah I mean attempting to rape a 14 year old is so much better.

I don't think attempted rapists let their victims go when they ask.

No but sexual predators might.

And a normal person would. He could be a sexual predator, but it's much more likely he's just a normal guy.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Yeah I mean attempting to rape a 14 year old is so much better.

I don't think attempted rapists let their victims go when they ask.

No but sexual predators might.

And a normal person would. He could be a sexual predator, but it's much more likely he's just a normal guy.

A normal drunk guy who made a mistake with a teenage boy.

Don't forgot he says he doesn't remember what happened.

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

That is why I said earlier are we just comfortable now taking one word as fact and letting it dominate someone's life?

Now I'm not particularly a fan of Kevin Spacey and I can get believing the stories of multiple accusers but this atmosphere of one person coming out now saying "Ben Affleck touched my boobs when we were in our 20s without my express permission" and we're supposed to hang him is killing me. Or one guy comes forward and says something about Kevin Spacey and Kevin Spacey says that was 30 years ago at a party I was probably wasted at and I don't remember now a bunch of total goons on the internet want to label him a pedophile. It just sits weird with me.
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Jen0125 posted...

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

Why would he suddenly make up this story 31 years later thoufh for no reason?

Because there's a wave of attention for these actors that are coming out with these stories now? Actors especially have a lot of motives to release gossip stories. It happens all the time. I've never even heard of this guy and now suddenly he's in the news accusing Kevin Spacey of being sexually rough with him at a party thirty years ago.

I'm not saying it's false but I'm just saying these types of claims are very hard to prove and while you can believe the person telling the story you shouldn't destroy the life of the person he's telling the story about because there's literally no factual evidence of what he's saying.

That doesn't just apply to Kevin Spacey either.. It applies to anyone. Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Donald Trump. I get that in some of those cases there appears to be a preponderance of evidence due to the volume of women coming forward but only Bill Cosby has been charged with a crime and even his first trial got hung up. That guilt is up for a jury to decide. And while the court of public opinion IS a thing I just don't feel comfortable calling someone a label like PEDOPHILE, which isn't even legally or factually correct, when we don't even know what is true and what is false.
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OhhhJa posted...

Jen0125 posted...

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

Why would he suddenly make up this story 31 years later thoufh for no reason?

He literally said he came out to jump on the bandwagon.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Jen0125 posted...

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

Why would he suddenly make up this story 31 years later thoufh for no reason?

He literally said he came out to jump on the bandwagon.

Which makes sense because the Bill Cosby accusers all came out and he got charged..then the Donald Trump "grab her by the pussy" thing kind of opened the flood gate for people to be sick of hiding this kind of behavior and after he became president people didn't want to be quiet anymore. Then Harvey Weinstein went down.. People just want to keep accusing people and bringing them to light but I personally feel like the line between sexual harassment and sexual assault is getting way too blurred here. What Spacey did according to this guy wasn't assault it was harassment. A lot of what Weinstein did wasn't assault it was harassment. Now is that appropriate? No of course not. But they're labeling it assault or rape to sensationalize it and it just totally ruins credibility for me.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Jen0125 posted...

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

Why would he suddenly make up this story 31 years later thoufh for no reason?

He literally said he came out to jump on the bandwagon.

Source?

OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Jen0125 posted...

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

Why would he suddenly make up this story 31 years later thoufh for no reason?

He literally said he came out to jump on the bandwagon.

Source?

Literally in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/theater/kevin-spacey-gay-anthony-rapp.html

Mr. Rapp, who is best known for playing the character Mark Cohen in the original Broadway production of Rent, confirmed the contents of the article and said he had decided to speak out at a time when several women have accused the producer Harvey Weinstein of sexual harassment and assault.

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ok, that's still not what he said though
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Jen0125 posted...

We're all basing this entire conversation on the idea that what the guy says is true and what Kevin Spacey is not true when we don't have facts either way.

Why would he suddenly make up this story 31 years later thoufh for no reason?

He literally said he came out to jump on the bandwagon.

Source?

Literally in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/theater/kevin-spacey-gay-anthony-rapp.html

Mr. Rapp, who is best known for playing the character Mark Cohen in the original Broadway production of Rent, confirmed the contents of the article and said he had decided to speak out at a time when several women have accused the producer Harvey Weinstein of sexual harassment and assault.

Ok... the last time I read the article was a couple days ago now. So basically you're twisting him saying that he felt more comfortable coming forward now because others have into him "jumping on the bandwagon." Not that that excuses sexually assaulting a 14 year old boy anyway. Remember a couple days ago when I said you argue stupid shit just to argue. Not a good look for you in this topic dude

JunkoEnoshima posted...

ok, that's still not what he said though

Omg, will you fuck off again already?

It's exactly what he said.
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OhhhJa posted...

So basically you're twisting him saying that he felt more comfortable coming forward now because others have into him "jumping on the bandwagon."

That's not "twisting" anything, it's exactly what it is.

Jump on the bandwagon
American phrases
Meaning
Join a growing movement in support of someone or something, often in an opportunist way, when that movement is seen to have become successful.

He took the opportunity to speak when the words proved successful, he jumped on the bandwagon.
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It's no surprise he would feel more comfortable saying this in the current climate in Hollywood.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

So basically you're twisting him saying that he felt more comfortable coming forward now because others have into him "jumping on the bandwagon."

That's not "twisting" anything, it's exactly what it is.

Jump on the bandwagon
American phrases
Meaning
Join a growing movement in support of someone or something, often in an opportunist way, when that movement is seen to have become successful.

He took the opportunity to speak when the words proved successful, he jumped on the bandwagon.

If you think that's exactly what he said you lack any kind of reading comprehension or basic reasoning. And what the hell is opportunistic about this? Is he going to get a paycheck in the mail for coming out with this?

my mother in law has a very interesting view on these recent allegations for happening for everyone

it's literally "so what? someone grabs your dick or boob, just tell them to fuck off. all these people want money is all they want. what's there to be scared of jeez. it was the 80s, it's what happened then "
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Your mother in law is exactly what's wrong with the culture. "It's what happened then" is the problem. A dick or boob grab is one thing along with this thing with Kevin Spacey. But with Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein and Donald Trump it wasn't just a dick or boob grab. It was an abuse of power and using that power to sexually harass, assault and rape people who were trying to make careers in the industries they were leaders in making those people feel like they needed to succumb to their whims in order to succeed in those careers.
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helIy posted...

my mother in law has a very interesting view on these recent allegations for happening for everyone

it's literally "so what? someone grabs your dick or boob, just tell them to fuck off. all these people want money is all they want. what's there to be scared of jeez. it was the 80s, it's what happened then "

Groping is a little different from throwing someone on a bed and getting on top of them especially if they're only 14. But I agree that people make way too huge of a deal about groping. It's definitely pervy but it's not gonna traumatize anyone

helIy posted...

my mother in law has a very interesting view on these recent allegations for happening for everyone

it's literally "so what? someone grabs your dick or boob, just tell them to fuck off. all these people want money is all they want. what's there to be scared of jeez. it was the 80s, it's what happened then "

I can't say I feel meaningfully different from that stance. The ones like "Brett Ratner basically forced his way into my hotel room and jacked off in front of me" are obviously completely fucked up but some of these stories are literally "George Bush, the 93 year old man, said a dirty joke to me and I felt uncomfortable #metoo".

"jumping on the bandwagon" has a very different connotation than coming forward at a time when a lot of people are doing so. as the above post states, it implies opportunism. nobody is benefitting from this
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on the bill Cosby thing "please, those girls knew what they were getting in to, partying like that there's gonna be some drugs. did he actually rape anyone because he wasn't ever convicted of anything"

on Harvey "that guys just a prick"

I'm not gonna mention Donald trump because that's a whole other bag of worms there
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OhhhJa posted...

If you think that's exactly what he said you lack any kind of reading comprehension or basic reasoning. And what the hell is opportunistic about this? Is he going to get a paycheck in the mail for coming out with this?

You don't have to be paid to be opportunistic. He felt he was in a better position because others took the risk first, he gained alleviation of risk.

JunkoEnoshima posted...

"jumping on the bandwagon" has a very different connotation than coming forward at a time when a lot of people are doing so. as the above post states, it implies opportunism. nobody is benefitting from this

Fuck off, no it doesn't. As every post replying to you states, you are wrong, you don't belong here.
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Well your mother in law sounds like a scumbag so I don't really care what she has to say.
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I dont even want to know how deep this whole show business / holywood pedophilia thing goes.... I predict we are only seeing the peak of the peak of the iceberg.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

f*** off, no it doesn't. As every post replying to you states, you are wrong, you don't belong here.

im going to stay just to specifically spite you
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

You don't have to be paid to be opportunistic. He felt he was in a better position because others took the risk first, he gained alleviation of risk.

I'm still not sure how you think he capitalized on anything here but ok... Continue to be intentionally obtuse If you'd like

Kyuubi getting a bit worked up over blaming someone who was sexually assaulted when they were 14. Maybe you're making excuses for actions you wouldn't mind engaging in yourself? And are you also saying we shouldn't be working to alleviate the risk involved for people coming forward?

JunkoEnoshima posted...

"jumping on the bandwagon" has a very different connotation than coming forward at a time when a lot of people are doing so. as the above post states, it implies opportunism. nobody is benefitting from this

Yeah, the circumstances are special. People were quiet because of fear from a corrupt system ruining their livelihoods. Realistically, coming forward would only appear to be career suicide with the person getting away with it anyway. The system favours those in power. Right now its like the Russian Revolution, where it has gone so far the other way that those who held all the power are currently at the mercy of everyone else. The burden of proof flipped.
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Jen0125 posted...

Well your mother in law sounds like a scumbag so I don't really care what she has to say.

oh she is
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I mean if some guy walked up to me and grabbed my junk randomly I would be besides myself, definitely wouldnt be waiting thirty years.

Do things like this happen immediately without any prior indication? Like all of a sudden some guy or girl is grabbing your erogenous zones?

Seems like there would be plenty of time to tell them to them to fuck off before they go grabbing for the gold.

dioxxys posted...

I mean if some guy walked up to me and grabbed my junk randomly I would be besides myself, definitely wouldnt be waiting thirty years.

Do things like this happen immediately without any prior indication? Like all of a sudden some guy or girl is grabbing your erogenous zones?

Seems like there would be plenty of time to tell them to them to fuck off before they go grabbing for the gold.

No, those things can happen suddenly. People don't just walk up to you and be like "I'm walking up with you with the intent to grope you." They just walk up to you and do it.
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OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi getting a bit worked up over blaming someone who was sexually assaulted when they were 14. Maybe you're making excuses for actions you wouldn't mind engaging in yourself? And are you also saying we shouldn't be working to alleviate the risk involved for people coming forward?

Lol why do you always pull this card?

"You're saying X that means you secretly want to do X."
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EvilMegas posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi getting a bit worked up over blaming someone who was sexually assaulted when they were 14. Maybe you're making excuses for actions you wouldn't mind engaging in yourself? And are you also saying we shouldn't be working to alleviate the risk involved for people coming forward?

Lol why do you always pull this card?

"You're saying X that means you secretly want to do X."

Because that's what bigots do.
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EvilMegas posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi getting a bit worked up over blaming someone who was sexually assaulted when they were 14. Maybe you're making excuses for actions you wouldn't mind engaging in yourself? And are you also saying we shouldn't be working to alleviate the risk involved for people coming forward?

Lol why do you always pull this card?

"You're saying X that means you secretly want to do X."

Yeah that's always been a stupidly weak argument
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi getting a bit worked up over blaming someone who was sexually assaulted when they were 14. Maybe you're making excuses for actions you wouldn't mind engaging in yourself? And are you also saying we shouldn't be working to alleviate the risk involved for people coming forward?

Lol why do you always pull this card?

"You're saying X that means you secretly want to do X."

Because that's what bigots do.

Says the guy defending a guy who sexually assaulted a 14 year old. I'm figuring out why a lot of people have you on ignore though

EvilMegas posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Kyuubi getting a bit worked up over blaming someone who was sexually assaulted when they were 14. Maybe you're making excuses for actions you wouldn't mind engaging in yourself? And are you also saying we shouldn't be working to alleviate the risk involved for people coming forward?

Lol why do you always pull this card?

"You're saying X that means you secretly want to do X."

Kinda like when you call someone a Nazi sympathizer for similar reasons...

But I almost forgot you only care about black people's problems and it's not a big deal when a young white boy gets sexually assaulted

I think you're confusing me with someone else now because you sure as hell did read what I posted. Get outta here, ya dork.
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EvilMegas posted...

I think you're confusing me with someone else now because you sure as hell did read what I posted. Get outta here, ya dork.

I mean... If you wanna keep defending people who blame victims of sexual assault be my guest. Just makes you look bad

OhhhJa, you're one of the ones that is confusing harassment with assault.

He didn't assault anyone. There was no attack even based on the guy's own description of the event.

Spacey picked him up like a groom picks up a bride and laid on top of him. When the guy said no or removed himself from the situation it stopped.

Even the guy himself doesn't use the word assault or attack. He uses the word "advance" and said Spacey was "trying to get with him sexually." He doesn't even say he was sexually assaulted.
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Just making shit up still, lmao.
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Jen0125 posted...

OhhhJa, you're one of the ones that is confusing harassment with assault.

He didn't assault anyone. There was no attack even based on the guy's own description of the event.

Spacey picked him up like a groom picks up a bride and laid on top of him. When the guy said no or removed himself from the situation it stopped.

Even the guy himself doesn't use the word assault or attack. He uses the word "advance" and said Spacey was "trying to get with him sexually." He doesn't even say he was sexually assaulted.

"Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient"

Hmmm what was that smartasses?