Poll of the Day > McCain to vote in Republicans favor

(+) Yeah! (+)

But darnit he won't like it!

he's so spineless. he says he'll vote for it even though it's "far from perfect." so why don't they spend actual time making the bill better or something that the country actually wants?

oh i know, he wants to help out his friends one last time before he kicks the fucking bucket.
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Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

Lol the government cares about 2 things: re-election and appeasing donors. When both parties are crooked, you cant have a say. Its rigged.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

To be fair, it's Alabama so the Democrat is probably the same or worse.
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McCain is a puppet.

He campaigned under very leftist ideals than when he was the presidential candidate did a 180 and suddenly he was full right. He doesn't stand for anything he's just trying to say what he thinks he needs to say.
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TigerTycoon posted...

McCain is a puppet.

He campaigned under very leftist ideals than when he was the presidential candidate did a 180 and suddenly he was full right. He doesn't stand for anything he's just trying to say what he thinks he needs to say.

lolwut? Not sure McCain has ever been full-on right, although his politics have ranged between moderate and conservative. Keep in mind he co-authored a lot of bills with Obama prior to the 2008 election. At any rate, you seem to be confusing insincerity with nuance since he's always fallen right of center for the most part and -- more importantly -- he's never been a leftist.
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Zeus posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

To be fair, it's Alabama so the Democrat is probably the same or worse.

Lol such a PO comment

Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

Do you seriously think that the Democrats are in any position to point fingers?
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

Do you seriously think that the Democrats are in any position to point fingers?

Yes, they are. Because *everyone* should be able to get mad at rapists. This should not be a left vs. right issue.

A few Republicans seem to have missed the memo on that.
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Zeus posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

To be fair, it's Alabama so the Democrat is probably the same or worse.

Man, at least try and pay attention. The dude actually has a squeaky clean reputation, and he went after, and prosecuted, KKK members.

The fact that it's still a toss up shows how hopeless the South really is.
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darkknight109 posted...

Metal_Mario99 posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

Do you seriously think that the Democrats are in any position to point fingers?

Yes, they are. Because *everyone* should be able to get mad at rapists. This should not be a left vs. right issue.

A few Republicans seem to have missed the memo on that.

The whole reason the Republicans are disregarding the Moore accusations is because they've learned from the Democrats that none of it actually matters. If Bill Clinton gets to stay president and Ted Kennedy gets to become "the Lion of the Senate", then why the hell should Republicans even bother to hold their own people to a higher standard? When Democrats start practicing what they preach, then maybe we'll talk.
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

The whole reason the Republicans are disregarding the Moore accusations is because they've learned from the Democrats that none of it actually matters.

So you're in favour of having the Republicans become more like Democrats?

I could get behind that.

Metal_Mario99 posted...

If Bill Clinton gets to stay president and Ted Kennedy gets to become "the Lion of the Senate", then why the hell should Republicans even bother to hold their own people to a higher standard?

Nice up-to-date examples you have there. Got anything from this century?

Moreover, read what you just said. The Democrats did some bad things, therefore it's OK if the Republicans do bad things too. You're using a justification that gets called out in fucking elementary school as horseshit to justify having a pedophile and serial molester in the US Senate.

Seriously, what the fuck.
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darkknight109 posted...

Metal_Mario99 posted...

The whole reason the Republicans are disregarding the Moore accusations is because they've learned from the Democrats that none of it actually matters.

So you're in favour of having the Republicans become more like Democrats?

I could get behind that.

Metal_Mario99 posted...

If Bill Clinton gets to stay president and Ted Kennedy gets to become "the Lion of the Senate", then why the hell should Republicans even bother to hold their own people to a higher standard?

Nice up-to-date examples you have there. Got anything from this century?

Moreover, read what you just said. The Democrats did some bad things, therefore it's OK if the Republicans do bad things too. You're using a justification that gets called out in fucking elementary school as horseshit to justify having a pedophile and serial molester in the US Senate.

Seriously, what the fuck.

I chose two of the most egregious examples, but perhaps you'd rather discuss Al Franken, Anthony Weiner, or John Conyers? Anyone from this century? Are you fucking kidding me? Practically EVERY Democrat from this century has underage girls tied up in their basements.

And yeah, until you hypocrites stop acting like you're the good guys in a "war on women", it's fair play for Republicans to behave in exactly the same way. Nobody in politics gets rewarded for being more decent than the competition.
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

I chose two of the most egregious examples

That being a consensual affair (which, admittedly, was followed by lying under oath) and a 40-year-old dangerous driving accident for which Kennedy was charged and tried?

Metal_Mario99 posted...

Practically EVERY Democrat from this century has underage girls tied up in their basements.

Because that's not a ridiculously hyperpartisan exaggeration at all.

Metal_Mario99 posted...

but perhaps you'd rather discuss Al Franken, Anthony Weiner, or John Conyers?

Sure, lets.

Franken is - with his own cooperation - being investigated by the Senate Ethics committee. He has apologized several times for his conduct and it's likely he's going to face further fallout, although because this is relatively new allegations it's difficult to say exactly what form this will take.

Weiner faced widespread condemnation from within his own party, resigned, was charged, pled guilty, and was sentenced to prison, a fine, and was required to register as a sex offender.

Conyers is also fresh news, so what happens to him is also up in the air, but Democrat leaders have called on him to resign and he is also facing investigation by the Senate Ethics committee.

Moore, on the other hand, has accused the multitude of women accusing him - including one that has his signature in her yearbook - of being liars. Trump (who has a bevy of sexual assault allegations himself and has faced no comeuppance for them) has voiced his support.

It goes without saying that all of these men are assholes. Again, calling out sexual assault should not be a left-versus-right issue and it's kind of disgusting that you're making it one.

Metal_Mario99 posted...

And yeah, until you hypocrites stop acting like you're the good guys in a "war on women", it's fair play for Republicans to behave in exactly the same way. Nobody in politics gets rewarded for being more decent than the competition.

You are literally saying it is OK for Republicans to be pedophiles. What the fuck is wrong with you.
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The republican party exists for a few reasons. Starting wars. Killing the middle class. Giving power and wealth to the elite.

We stand to see the largest redistribution of wealth since Reagan. People don't hire more when they are sitting on money, they hire more to meet demand. They have no defense for this disaster.

There is one upside, lets see how those republicans defend themselves in 18 and 20. They might make the donors happy, but raising taxes on the middle class to cut them for the billionaires is not a winning strategy for the voters.

darkknight109 posted...

Moore, on the other hand, has accused the multitude of women accusing him - including one that has his signature in her yearbook - of being liars. Trump (who has a bevy of sexual assault allegations himself and has faced no comeuppance for them) has voiced his support.

This is significant. The idea that the GOP voters are hand-waiving more because of supposed Democrat transgressions is non-sense. A casual scroll through the comment sections of AL newspapers shows that a large % of people simply believe either Moore is innocent, and that is some secret hit-campaign by the "Deep State", or they simply don't care if he's innocent or not, so long as the magical "R" is next to his name.

Those actually saying "B-But Bill Clinton!" are loons as well, since getting a consensual blowie and literally raping underaged girls is about as far removed as possible.

Anyone defending Moore is basically a psychopath. Stop with the whataboutism.
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Didn't McCain have braintumor or something as well?
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darkknight109 posted...

Nice up-to-date examples you have there. Got anything from this century?

>Accused rapist elected roughly 20 years ago
>Not recent enough

Clinton was literally 3 presidents ago and was the Democrat before the last Democrat president.



darkknight109 posted...

Weiner faced widespread condemnation from within his own party, resigned, was charged, pled guilty, and was sentenced to prison, a fine, and was required to register as a sex offender.

Which is also the difference between being able to *prove* a claim vs saying something happened. There was a lot of recorded documentation damning Weiner and, by the way, after his initial affair, his political opportunistic wife stood by her man just like Hillary did.

darkknight109 posted...

Trump (who has a bevy of sexual assault allegations himself and has faced no comeuppance for them)

You mean because they've lacked the merit to even get to the point where charges might be filed?

BlackScythe0 posted...

The republican party exists for a few reasons. Starting wars. Killing the middle class. Giving power and wealth to the elite.

lolwut? Which is like claiming that the Democrats exist to create a serf-state where the only people with power or money are in government. It's a ridiculous mischaracterization which overlooks that Democrats are *also* big into starting wars, killing the middle class, and giving power/wealth to the elite. Hell, pretty much the whole point of government is war and empowering/enriching elites.

darkknight109 posted...

Moore, on the other hand, has accused the multitude of women accusing him - including one that has his signature in her yearbook - of being liars. Trump (who has a bevy of sexual assault allegations himself and has faced no comeuppance for them) has voiced his support.

Because he signed their yearbook, "Thanks for letting me molest you," or something? All that signing a yearbook proves is that he met them at some point and, quite frankly, that's not a terribly meaningful interaction. I certainly can't tell you everybody whose yearbook I signed nor could every single person who signed mine remember doing it.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Those actually saying "B-But Bill Clinton!" are loons as well, since getting a consensual blowie and literally raping underaged girls is about as far removed as possible.

Few problems with that:

1) Bill Clinton WAS alleged to have raped an underaged girl. iirc, the girl was 13.

2) Perhaps you need to reacquaint yourself with what the word "literally" means given that Moore isn't even accused of rape, his worst accusation so far was for assault.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Zeus posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Those darn corrupt politicians. No backbone.

Now excuse me while I go vote for a paedophile over a democrat.

To be fair, it's Alabama so the Democrat is probably the same or worse.

Man, at least try and pay attention. The dude actually has a squeaky clean reputation, and he went after, and prosecuted, KKK members.

The fact that it's still a toss up shows how hopeless the South really is.

None of which precludes sexual predilections.
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Zeus posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The republican party exists for a few reasons. Starting wars. Killing the middle class. Giving power and wealth to the elite.

lolwut? Which is like claiming that the Democrats exist to create a serf-state where the only people with power or money are in government. It's a ridiculous mischaracterization which overlooks that Democrats are *also* big into starting wars, killing the middle class, and giving power/wealth to the elite. Hell, pretty much the whole point of government is war and empowering/enriching elites.

Well #1 you stay true to you. You edit that quote to only try replying to the part you think you'll manage well on.

Too bad you failed there. Democrats aren't trying to decentralize to return us to a feudal state, but one of the two parties is!

LeetCheet posted...

Didn't McCain have braintumor or something as well?

Yea that is one of the saddest bits of irony. He is denying people their right to life while understanding just how important that is.

BlackScythe0 posted...

LeetCheet posted...
Didn't McCain have braintumor or something as well?

Yea that is one of the saddest bits of irony. He is denying people their right to life while understanding just how important that is.

I can just imagine him laughing while getting his healthcare that we all pay for.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Well #1 you stay true to you. You edit that quote to only try replying to the part you think you'll manage well on.

Too bad you failed there. Democrats aren't trying to decentralize to return us to a feudal state, but one of the two parties is!

Classic Zeus, selective replies and changing the subject, ok?

He has a few moments, most are overshadowed by the fact he speaks down to everyone, ok?
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Zeus posted...

>Accused rapist elected roughly 20 years ago
>Not recent enough

Exactly. Glad you agree.

There has been a massive shift in the perception of sexual assault in the last ten years or so. I mean, look at Bill Cosby - the allegations of him drugging and raping women stretch back literally decades (I remember hearing about that shit in the 90s and that wasn't even his first brush with it), yet it wasn't until the last few years that any of them were actually taken seriously.

Zeus posted...

Which is also the difference between being able to *prove* a claim vs saying something happened.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

Zeus posted...

There was a lot of recorded documentation damning Weiner and, by the way, after his initial affair, his political opportunistic wife stood by her man just like Hillary did.

I'm not sure why you're bringing his wife or Hillary into the discussion, given that neither of them really have any relevance to what's being discussed (specifically shitty politicians committing sexual assault and why rapists probably shouldn't be elected to political office). Then again, bringing Hillary into unrelated political discussions is such a standard Trumpist play by now, it's one of the most tired political tropes in existence.

And yeah, Weiner was dumb enough to send dick pics to people. Guess what? Most rapists don't leave documentation of their crimes. If that's your standard for believing rape accusations, you're going to wind up believing a lot of rapists over their victims.

Zeus posted...

You mean because they've lacked the merit to even get to the point where charges might be filed?

Still very early in the game to be saying that. Then again, in the past you've also said that there's nothing to the collusion charges from the Trump campaign, and those claims are looking awfully silly in light of today's revelations.
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Zeus posted...

Because he signed their yearbook, "Thanks for letting me molest you," or something? All that signing a yearbook proves is that he met them at some point and, quite frankly, that's not a terribly meaningful interaction.

The fact that they interacted at all is pretty fucking significant.

I mean, I don't know about you, but the local DA didn't sign my yearbook when I graduated. Maybe it's an American thing? I don't know, but short of being family or a friend-of-the-family, I can't think of too many reasons why a DA would bother to sign a high schooler's yearbook.

And again, it's not like this signature is floating in a vacuum. Moore is being accused by numerous unrelated women, including some who are Republicans. His patterns of predation are well noted and have been verified by eye-witnesses (including him getting banned from a local mall for it). It's not like a woman just made this up on the spot with zero supporting evidence.

You can claim that there's no smoking gun, but guess what? A pervert fondling a woman's breasts never leaves a smoking gun unless he happens to be caught on film. Again, if that's the standard you set, rapists around the world would salute you for it.

Zeus posted...

2) Perhaps you need to reacquaint yourself with what the word "literally" means given that Moore isn't even accused of rape, his worst accusation so far was for assault.

And perhaps you shouldn't be talking about things you're obviously not up to speed on, because Moore has 100% been accused of attempted rape.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41973952

Zeus posted...

None of which precludes sexual predilections.

Wait... wait one second here.

Let me see if I understand this properly. After bloviating on for a full post about how the allegations against Moore lack substance and a fucking signature in a yearbook isn't good enough evidence, your grounds for accusing Doug Jones - who, it should be noted, has been accused of rape (or any crime, for that matter) by precisely nobody - of sexual assault are that he's a Democrat in fucking Alabama?

What the absolute fuck. Your argument is completely invalidated if you're seriously trying to make this point, Mr. "Left-Leaning Centrist".
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darkknight109 posted...

Again, if that's the standard you set, rapists around the world would salute you for it.

well shit better start lockin everyone up on hearsay now!

darkknight109 posted...

there's nothing to the collusion charges from the Trump campaign

there isnt and i look forward to you desperate libs crying about russia collusions that never happened till the day you die lol

KaptainKiro posted...

well shit better start lockin everyone up on hearsay now!

No one in this topic is talking about locking up Roy Moore. That's a separate discussion. The courts operate on "beyond a reasonable doubt" in matters of criminal law, as well they should.

Here's the thing, though - I don't think it's wrong to hold politicians and other people of power to a higher standard. Argue all you like about whether the burden of proof is there for an actual criminal conviction, but the allegations against him are highly credible and should be more than enough to disqualify him from office (which is why many Republicans are saying he should step down).

There is nothing saying that we have to use "beyond a reasonable doubt" when assessing our politicians - hell, even the courts don't stick to it all the time. Civil law, for instance, is based on a balance of probabilities, which seems to me like a fine metric to use when judging whether allegations against people of high status should be taken seriously. In this case, the balance of probabilities points unarguably to the fact that Roy is a fucking scumbag that sexually harassed underage girls and tried to rape at least one of them.

KaptainKiro posted...

there isnt and i look forward to you desperate libs crying about russia collusions that never happened till the day you die lol

Oh man, the delusion is real. Keep dreaming, buddy! I'm sure Mueller just cut Flynn a plea deal out of the goodness of his heart, not because he had incredibly damning info on someone further up the chain.

(FYI, Flynn has already admitted to colluding with the Russians and has pled guilty to offenses from said collusion, so you're going to have to come up with a new line of defence).
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darkknight109 posted...

i am perfectly okay with ruining peoples lives over rumors that have zero actual evidence to them because it supports my agenda, theres nothing suspicious about a multitude of 30+ year allegations coming out just before an election at all

neato

darkknight109 posted...

he had incredibly damning info on someone further up the chain.

carve that on your tombstone, because you'll be dreaming about it actually happening til the day you die lol

KaptainKiro posted...

darkknight109 posted...

i am perfectly okay with ruining peoples lives over rumors that have zero actual evidence to them because it supports my agenda, theres nothing suspicious about a multitude of 30+ year allegations coming out just before an election at all

I'm apparently OK with pedophiles joining the US Senate. I also like to ignore evidence of serious crimes when it is inconvenient to my political beliefs.

I see. How interesting.

KaptainKiro posted...

darkknight109 posted...

he had incredibly damning info on someone further up the chain.

deny deny deny deny lalala I can't hear you

Manafort first, now Flynn. Kushner's next in line, based on what Flynn confirmed. Think Trump will be the one after?
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darkknight109 posted...

I see. How interesting.

this would work if there were any actual evidence instead of a bunch of no-names spouting alleged rumours about 30+ year old incidents

of course, youve already admitted you dont think evidence should mean anything if the person accused is a politician, so idk what to tell you

darkknight109 posted...

Kushner's next in line, based on what Flynn confirmed. Think Trump will be the one after?

do you use lotion when you come up with these fantasies or do you prefer to go raw?

KaptainKiro posted...

this would work if there were any actual evidence instead of a bunch of no-names spouting alleged rumours about 30+ year old incidents

Like, say, a signature in a yearbook? Or various witnesses confirming that Moore was banned from the mall for hitting on teenage girls?

But keep denying it, I understand how threatening it must be to realise that one of your political idols is a pervert.

KaptainKiro posted...

of course, youve already admitted you dont think evidence should mean anything if the person accused is a politician, so idk what to tell you

Ooh, nice strawman. Do you actually have any legitimate arguments or are we just going to go on with name-calling for the rest of the topic?

KaptainKiro posted...

do you use lotion when you come up with these fantasies or do you prefer to go raw?

How many of Obama's campaign officials got indicted on charges for conspiring against their own country? I think Trump's hit the record. #winning #makingamericagreatagain
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darkknight109 posted...

Like, say, a signature in a yearbook?

a signature that hasnt been confirmed to be real that is purposefully being withheld from investigation lel

darkknight109 posted...

Ooh, nice strawman. Do you actually have any legitimate arguments or are we just going to go on with name-calling for the rest of the topic?

darkknight109 posted...

The courts operate on "beyond a reasonable doubt" in matters of criminal law, as well they should.

Here's the thing, though - I don't think it's wrong to hold politicians and other people of power to a higher standard.

heres the part where you said "if i think theres a good enough chance that its real, we should take action even though there may not be a shred of actual evidence"

darkknight109 posted...

How many of Obama's campaign officials got indicted on charges for conspiring against their own country?

time to play one out of the darkknight109 playbook: time will tell lolololol

KaptainKiro posted...

heres the part where you said "if i think theres a good enough chance that its real, we should take action even though there may not be a shred of actual evidence"

Go look up "balance of probabilities" and come back when you actually know how civil law works.

I mean, I get that you might be a bit scared of the justice system at the moment, what with how many Republicans are being charged with pretty serious crimes, but seriously, a bunch of really smart law-talky guys have this really fine-tuned system in place and your objections to it, while adorable, are also pretty ridiculous.

KaptainKiro posted...

a signature that hasnt been confirmed to be real that is purposefully being withheld from investigation lel

Ah, I see... so now these women aren't just making up their stories, all completely independent of one another, they're also forging evidence. That's smart of them. It's weird how no one has been able to prove their collusion, though, or provide any evidence that they're making false accusations (which is totally a crime). I mean, you're all about the evidence, right?

I mean, both parties - Moore and his accusers - are basically being accused of breaking the law. Moore is accused of rape and sexual harassment, his accusers of making a false accusation. So one party is clearly guilty of something, because they can't all be innocent. So who do you believe? The guy who has a bunch of evidence, including eyewitness testimony and a signature, against him? Or the women, the case against whom can best be summed up as "These women are making a serious accusation at a politically inconvenient time and my fanatical right-wing zeal won't let me judge the case on it's merits! They must be lying!!"

KaptainKiro posted...

time to play one out of the darkknight109 playbook: time will tell

Well, it's been nine years since Obama's election and one year since Trump's. So far the score is four Trump campaign staff charged versus... wait, let me tally this up... zero for Obama's staff (edit: Oops, make that five for Trump! Forgot about good ol' Rick Gates). But sure, let's hold on a while longer, I'm sure something will pop up in the next decade.

And I mean, come on, only five people from Trump's campaign were criminals. And, according to Trump, they were all doing this completely independently - I mean, what are the odds? Guy must be really unlucky. I'm sure there's no one who was actually orchestrating and coordinating all that illegal collusion.

KaptainKiro posted...

lolololol

You're sure laughing a lot in this topic. You nervous bud?

Hey, I get it, it's been a rough couple weeks. Fifth Trump campaign advisor pleads guilty to serious crimes, senate candidate in what was supposed to be a safe seat is outed as a pedo and a rapist, Flynn has indicated in court documents that he was acting under Kushner's orders when he illegally (and repeatedly) made contact with Russia... it can't be fun for any rabid right-winger who puts politics before principle (or basic human decency).

You need a safe space to talk it out? We're here for you, champ.
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Zeus posted...

Clinton was literally 3 presidents ago and was the Democrat before the last Democrat president.

when you say only 3 presidents ago, it doesn't seem like a lot.

but 3 presidents ago was literally 23 years ago.

in 23 years we've gone from dial-up internet, to fiber.

from windows 3.1 to windows 10

from super shitty cell phones that can't text, to literal super computers the size of a candy bar.

from the ps1, to the ps4.
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darkknight109 posted...

mindless liberal circlejerking followed by classic liberal condescending

lol

7 more years

KaptainKiro posted...

darkknight109 posted...

mindless liberal circlejerking followed by classic liberal condescending

Classic conservative cop-out when he realises he is beaten and has no argument

Poor guy.

It's OK bro, we know how tough it is to see your President going down in flames after not even a year in office.
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darkknight109 posted...

It's OK bro, we know how tough it is to see your President going down in flames after not even a year in office.

You don't actually believe Trump is going to be removed from office, do you?
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darkknight109 posted...

It's OK bro, we know how tough it is to see your President going down in flames after not even a year in office.

said darkknight109 as he squirted another glob of lotion into his palm while staring at his own mspaint drawing of a newspaper with the headline "TRUMP IMPEACHED"

Rasmoh posted...

darkknight109 posted...

It's OK bro, we know how tough it is to see your President going down in flames after not even a year in office.

You don't actually believe Trump is going to be removed from office, do you?

Removed? I have no idea. That will depend on exactly what comes out of the Mueller investigation and it's still too early to say exactly how much of this will lead back to Trump. I will grant that it is extremely unlikely as long as Republicans control congress. 2018 will therefore be pretty significant in terms of determining what the odds are that Trump winds up impeached.

That said, these charges look horrendously bad on Trump. The more of them there are and the further up the chain they go, the worse it reflects on him as a leader. At best, if he had no direct involvement, it makes him seem incompetent, as he had no idea that this massive scheme was occurring right under his nose and being orchestrated by those close to him. At worst, if he was involved, he looks downright criminal.

Either way, whether or not Trump is removed from office by Congress, each charge makes it more likely that the voters will do it if they won't.
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KaptainKiro posted...

darkknight109 posted...

It's OK bro, we know how tough it is to see your President going down in flames after not even a year in office.

denydenydenydenydenydenydeny

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darkknight109 posted...

Removed? I have no idea. That will depend on exactly what comes out of the Mueller investigation and it's still too early to say exactly how much of this will lead back to Trump. I will grant that it is extremely unlikely as long as Republicans control congress. 2018 will therefore be pretty significant in terms of determining what the odds are that Trump winds up impeached.

That said, these charges look horrendously bad on Trump. The more of them there are and the further up the chain they go, the worse it reflects on him as a leader. At best, if he had no direct involvement, it makes him seem incompetent, as he had no idea that this massive scheme was occurring right under his nose and being orchestrated by those close to him. At worst, if he was involved, he looks downright criminal.

Either way, whether or not Trump is removed from office by Congress, each charge makes it more likely that the voters will do it if they won't.

So basically you are speculating in an overly optimistic manner.

I'm not sure what this other guy's deal is, but he's probably right about one thing: 7 more years of Trump is very likely, especially considering that Democrats have almost no appeal to anyone who works for a living.
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if anyone thinks trump is going to get elected for another term, they need to be admitted.

even his own party doesn't like him.

i also doubt that trump will even try to run for a second term, honestly.
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helIy posted...

i also doubt that trump will even try to run for a second term, honestly.

This is the only thing that I think would really stop him from getting a second term, actually. No Republican would run against an incumbent and the Democrat party is fractured shitshow at the moment.
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Rasmoh posted...

So basically you are speculating in an overly optimistic manner.

The number of Trump campaign officials charged as a result of the Mueller investigation is now up to five. Flynn's court documents indicate that he was acting under the direction of "a very senior campaign official" (investigators have indicated this was Kushner), which would indicate that he is likely going to be charged as well, and it also suggests that Trump was in communication with other senior advisers who were briefed on the content of the Russia communiques, which raises the prospect of more charges.

At this point, this investigation has every chance of being a millstone for the Trump administration. Midterm elections are already unkind to incumbent governments - they have pretty much always lost seats for every midterm election in living memory - and given how unpopular Trump already is, none of what I said is out of the realm of possibility.

Rasmoh posted...

I'm not sure what this other guy's deal is, but he's probably right about one thing: 7 more years of Trump is very likely, especially considering that Democrats have almost no appeal to anyone who works for a living.

Trump won the first time by less than 100k votes across Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Washington. Since then, his poll numbers have plummeted. A bellweather midterm election in Virginia went strongly Democrat, beyond what even the Dems themselves were expecting (while it was expected they would win the governer's mansion, it was widely expected that the Republicans would maintain control of the state house - they lost 15 seats of their 16 seat majority, and three others that they won are being subjected to recounts due to how close they were, with one being decided by just 10 votes).

Of course, two weeks is an eternity in politics, so I guarantee nothing, but based on what we see right now a Trump re-election looks like a longshot.
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Rasmoh posted...

7 more years of Trump is very likely

its gonna happen

darkknight109 posted...

It's OK bro, we know how tough it is to see your President going down in flames after not even a year in office.

said darkknight109 as he squirted another glob of lotion into his palm while staring at his own mspaint drawing of a newspaper with the headline "TRUMP IMPEACHED"

7 more years

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KaptainKiro posted...

denydenydenydeny

That's it, bud, let it all out.

Don't worry, we're here for you. It's alright, I'm sure mean old Mr. Mueller won't come for you in the dark.
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darkknight109 posted...

Don't worry, we're here for you. It's alright, I'm sure mean old Mr. Mueller won't come for you in the dark.

do libs know how to do anything aside from talk condescendingly to people while jerking it to their own fantasies?

KaptainKiro posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Don't worry, we're here for you. It's alright, I'm sure mean old Mr. Mueller won't come for you in the dark.

do libs know how to do anything aside from talk condescendingly to people while jerking it to their own fantasies?

Says the con who has done nothing in this topic except talk condescendingly while jerking it to his own fantasy.
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darkknight109 posted...

Says the con who has done nothing in this topic except talk condescendingly while jerking it to his own fantasy.

while you advocated wrecking political careers over hearsay and jacked off because you think someone working for trump committing tax fraud will get him impeached lol

KaptainKiro posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Says the con who has done nothing in this topic except talk condescendingly while jerking it to his own fantasy.

while you advocated wrecking political careers over hearsay and jacked off because you think someone working for trump committing tax fraud will get him impeached

Sure, keep strawmanning my posts even though that's not even close to what I said; I'm sure someone else will be dumb enough to believe it.

KaptainKiro posted...

lol

Again with the laughter.

Old man Mueller must really have you spooked. It's OK, buddy, you're safe here. Let it out as much as you need to.
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