Current Events > So where do you stand on the Masterpiece Cake v. Colorado Civil Rights case?

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The Admiral 12/14/17 8:41:47 AM #101:	Refusing to sell store items to a gay couple = discrimination and should not be allowed Refusing to make a custom item for an event you dont condone (gay wedding, etc.) = fine This bakery would have refused to make the cake if a straight friend wanted to buy it for the gay couple also, so its not discrimination against the individuals for their orientation. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892195277] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote>Refusing to sell store items to a gay couple = discrimination and should not be allowed Refusing to make a custom item for an event you dont condone (gay wedding, etc.) = fine This bakery would have refused to make the cake if a straight friend wanted to buy it for the gay couple also, so its not discrimination against the individuals for their orientation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 12/14/17 8:58:52 AM #102:	My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of weddings. I can say UNEQUIVOCALLY that making a wedding cake IS an art form. It takes around 4 hours to make a generic 3 layer cake that serves as the base for a wedding cake. It takes 2+ hours more to decorate it. That 2+ hours is the difference between a standard good and what makes it a work of edible art. --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix http://steamcommunity.com/id/bolt_thundara/wishlist <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:892195960] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote>My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of weddings. I can say UNEQUIVOCALLY that making a wedding cake IS an art form. It takes around 4 hours to make a generic 3 layer cake that serves as the base for a wedding cake. It takes 2+ hours more to decorate it. That 2+ hours is the difference between a standard good and what makes it a work of edible art.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 12/14/17 9:37:24 AM #103:	C7D posted... I provided two witnesses to the God ordained marriage. You dont believe either of them. No. I asked you to explain how those witnesses are claiming that God ordained all marriage. That isn't the same thing at all. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:892197513] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>I provided two witnesses to the God ordained marriage. You dont believe either of them.</quote> No. I asked you to explain how those witnesses are claiming that God ordained all marriage. That isn't the same thing at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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C7D 12/14/17 9:49:37 AM #105:	JE19426 posted... C7D posted... I provided two witnesses to the God ordained marriage. You dont believe either of them. No. I asked you to explain how those witnesses are claiming that God ordained all marriage. That isn't the same thing at all. See Hebrews 13:8 which I referenced in the same post. If God ordained the first marriage, and generalized marriage in general, see Genesis 2:24, then all marriages were to be ordained by God. Since He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, there is no change. Argument by deduction. <cite>C7D posted [p:892198079] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>I provided two witnesses to the God ordained marriage. You dont believe either of them.</quote> No. I asked you to explain how those witnesses are claiming that God ordained all marriage. That isn't the same thing at all.</quote> See Hebrews 13:8 which I referenced in the same post. If God ordained the first marriage, and generalized marriage in general, see Genesis 2:24, then all marriages were to be ordained by God. Since He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, there is no change. Argument by deduction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 12/14/17 9:52:55 AM #106:	shockthemonkey posted... JE19426 posted... C7D posted... Because you dont want to Don't want to what? You aren't making any sense, are you high or something? This guy got on the God ordained marriage as a tangent after I said take custom orders from anyone or dont take custom orders. Hes not trying to make any sense. Im arguing why take custom orders from all or none is inherently violating the bakers religious freedom. <cite>C7D posted [p:892198220] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Because you dont want to</quote> Don't want to what? You aren't making any sense, are you high or something?</quote> This guy got on the God ordained marriage as a tangent after I said take custom orders from anyone or dont take custom orders. Hes not trying to make any sense.</quote> Im arguing why take custom orders from all or none is inherently violating the bakers religious freedom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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C7D 12/14/17 9:58:02 AM #108:	shockthemonkey posted... C7D posted... shockthemonkey posted... JE19426 posted... C7D posted... Because you dont want to Don't want to what? You aren't making any sense, are you high or something? This guy got on the God ordained marriage as a tangent after I said take custom orders from anyone or dont take custom orders. Hes not trying to make any sense. Im arguing why take custom orders from all or none is inherently violating the bakers religious freedom. Youre not making any sense. The bakers religion tells him that gay marriage is a sin. The bakers religion tells him that knowingly participating in the sin of another is a sin. The bakers religion tells him to try to not sin. The baker, by providing wedding cakes to gay couples getting married, is participating in their sin. The baker is being told he has to sin against his religion or change his business model. This seems like a violation of his religious freedom. <cite>C7D posted [p:892198460] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Because you dont want to</quote> Don't want to what? You aren't making any sense, are you high or something?</quote> This guy got on the God ordained marriage as a tangent after I said take custom orders from anyone or dont take custom orders. Hes not trying to make any sense.</quote> Im arguing why take custom orders from all or none is inherently violating the bakers religious freedom.</quote> Youre not making any sense.</quote> The bakers religion tells him that gay marriage is a sin. The bakers religion tells him that knowingly participating in the sin of another is a sin. The bakers religion tells him to try to not sin. The baker, by providing wedding cakes to gay couples getting married, is participating in their sin. The baker is being told he has to sin against his religion or change his business model. This seems like a violation of his religious freedom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 12/14/17 9:58:45 AM #109:	C7D posted... See Hebrews 13:8 which I referenced in the same post. If God ordained the first marriage, and generalized marriage in general, see Genesis 2:24, then all marriages were to be ordained by God. Since He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, there is no change. God clearly does different things on different days. The creation of the world clearly shows that. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:892198499] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>See Hebrews 13:8 which I referenced in the same post. If God ordained the first marriage, and generalized marriage in general, see Genesis 2:24, then all marriages were to be ordained by God. Since He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, there is no change. </quote> God clearly does different things on different days. The creation of the world clearly shows that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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C7D 12/14/17 10:06:01 AM #111:	shockthemonkey posted... C7D posted... shockthemonkey posted... C7D posted... shockthemonkey posted... JE19426 posted... C7D posted... Because you dont want to Don't want to what? You aren't making any sense, are you high or something? This guy got on the God ordained marriage as a tangent after I said take custom orders from anyone or dont take custom orders. Hes not trying to make any sense. Im arguing why take custom orders from all or none is inherently violating the bakers religious freedom. Youre not making any sense. The bakers religion tells him that gay marriage is a sin. The bakers religion tells him that knowingly participating in the sin of another is a sin. The bakers religion tells him to try to not sin. The baker, by providing wedding cakes to gay couples getting married, is participating in their sin. The baker is being told he has to sin against his religion or change his business model. This seems like a violation of his religious freedom. So take custom orders from anyone or take them from no one. Your theological rant isnt responding to that at all. In other words, you want new provisions which supersede 1st amendment legal protections. I dont want a ruling which further erodes the religious freedoms of this country. Clearly you do. <cite>C7D posted [p:892198811] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Because you dont want to</quote> Don't want to what? You aren't making any sense, are you high or something?</quote> This guy got on the God ordained marriage as a tangent after I said take custom orders from anyone or dont take custom orders. Hes not trying to make any sense.</quote> Im arguing why take custom orders from all or none is inherently violating the bakers religious freedom.</quote> Youre not making any sense.</quote> The bakers religion tells him that gay marriage is a sin. The bakers religion tells him that knowingly participating in the sin of another is a sin. The bakers religion tells him to try to not sin. The baker, by providing wedding cakes to gay couples getting married, is participating in their sin. The baker is being told he has to sin against his religion or change his business model. This seems like a violation of his religious freedom.</quote> So take custom orders from anyone or take them from no one. Your theological rant isnt responding to that at all.</quote> In other words, you want new provisions which supersede 1st amendment legal protections. I dont want a ruling which further erodes the religious freedoms of this country. Clearly you do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/14/17 10:20:08 AM #112:	fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:892199457] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote>My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd</quote> Don't you think that makes you biased?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 12/14/17 10:30:35 AM #113:	UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? Why would that make me biased? --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix http://steamcommunity.com/id/bolt_thundara/wishlist <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:892199915] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote>My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd</quote> Don't you think that makes you biased?</quote> Why would that make me biased?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/14/17 1:41:59 PM #114:	fire_bolt posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? Why would that make me biased? Because you're going to lean towards the bakery --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:892210159] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote>My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd</quote> Don't you think that makes you biased?</quote> Why would that make me biased?</quote> Because you're going to lean towards the bakery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 12/14/17 1:45:30 PM #115:	UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? Why would that make me biased? Because you're going to lean towards the bakery How would someone be unbiased in this case? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:892210371] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd </quote> Don't you think that makes you biased? </quote> Why would that make me biased?</quote> Because you're going to lean towards the bakery</quote> How would someone be unbiased in this case?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 12/14/17 1:56:15 PM #116:	UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? Why would that make me biased? Because you're going to lean towards the bakery What in my statement suggests favoring the bakery? --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix http://steamcommunity.com/id/bolt_thundara/wishlist <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:892211081] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote>My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd</quote> Don't you think that makes you biased?</quote> Why would that make me biased?</quote> Because you're going to lean towards the bakery</quote> What in my statement suggests favoring the bakery?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/14/17 2:19:02 PM #117:	emblem boy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? Why would that make me biased? Because you're going to lean towards the bakery How would someone be unbiased in this case? No connection to either specific businsess, sexuality or religious sect --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:892212482] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd </quote> Don't you think that makes you biased? </quote> Why would that make me biased?</quote> Because you're going to lean towards the bakery</quote> How would someone be unbiased in this case?</quote> No connection to either specific businsess, sexuality or religious sect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 12/14/17 2:44:36 PM #118:	UnfairRepresent posted... emblem boy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... UnfairRepresent posted... fire_bolt posted... My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd Don't you think that makes you biased? Why would that make me biased? Because you're going to lean towards the bakery How would someone be unbiased in this case? No connection to either specific businsess, sexuality or religious sect Sexuality? So is a straight person or a gay person biased in this case? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:892214035] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> My contribution to the topic: I work for a catering service now and we cater a lot of wefdingd </quote> Don't you think that makes you biased? </quote> Why would that make me biased? </quote> Because you're going to lean towards the bakery </quote> How would someone be unbiased in this case?</quote> No connection to either specific businsess, sexuality or religious sect</quote> Sexuality? So is a straight person or a gay person biased in this case?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 12/15/17 5:34:50 PM #119:	gunplagirl posted... Even if they were just looking for a payout, the only reason they would have a case is if the bakery broke the law no the pos is just looking for an easy pay day. the shop isnt breaking any law. did they refuse to sell cakes or not. --- http://i.imgur.com/hEL2qQYh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lbSi0U3.png http://i.imgur.com/FA2GxDS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xaRYKZM.png http://i.imgur.com/ZngbqJn.jpg <cite>ModLogic posted [p:892286686] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Even if they were just looking for a payout, the only reason they would have a case is if the bakery broke the law </quote> no the pos is just looking for an easy pay day. the shop isnt breaking any law. did they refuse to sell cakes or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 12/15/17 5:40:09 PM #120:	ModLogic posted... the shop isnt breaking any law. The State disagrees. did they refuse to sell cakes or not. That's irrelevant as far as the State is concerned. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:892286950] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote>the shop isnt breaking any law.</quote> The State disagrees. <quote>did they refuse to sell cakes or not. </quote> That's irrelevant as far as the State is concerned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/16/17 1:14:02 PM #121:	JE19426 posted... ModLogic posted... the shop isnt breaking any law. The State disagrees. did they refuse to sell cakes or not. That's irrelevant as far as the State is concerned. That's the question though. Is the state right? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:892327714] in So where d... [t:76087530]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote>the shop isnt breaking any law.</quote> The State disagrees. <quote>did they refuse to sell cakes or not. </quote> That's irrelevant as far as the State is concerned.</quote> That's the question though. Is the state right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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