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I cant argue with religious people cause they just make stuff up and say its faith. "Up for interpretation" is literally "make shit up"
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Yup. Sometimes it amazes me that so many people mindlessly subscribe to these religions with no evidence to support them. We demand proof for most other things, but it gets a pass for reasons. And apparently even questioning religion gets you called a fedora neckbeard by the zealots on here.

*tips fedora*
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"we just aren't able to understand"

that's always the cue to never speak to that fool again
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Imagine choosing to spend eternity in hell suffering because you like feeling a sense of smug superiority
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C_Pain posted...

Imagine choosing to spend eternity in hell suffering because you like feeling a sense of smug superiority

I like living my life where the world actually makes sense. It's not important for everybody, but sense is important for me.
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C_Pain posted...

Imagine choosing to spend eternity in hell suffering because you like feeling a sense of smug superiority

Imagine thinking that of the thousands and thousands of religions that have existed throughout human history, the one you picked is, without question, the right one. All this without any sort of evidence to back you up.

Assuming you're a Christian, all the Muslims of the world (and even some other strains of Christianity) have the same conviction that you're going to go to hell as you do for us. They're just as likely to be correct as you are, lol
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Wow, you guys have really opened my eyes. Thank you for enlightening me. I see I was foolish to hold my religious viewpoints and now identify as an atheist.
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C_Pain posted...

Imagine choosing to spend eternity in hell suffering because you like feeling a sense of smug superiority

Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven.
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I'm pretty sure the Bible was written as a just a work of fiction meant to inspire readers to do good, then stupid ancient people were being stupid ancient people and took it literally and here we are.

The original author was probably mortified when people were being slaughtered in the name of his fictional character.

Disclaimer: I believe in a higher power and afterlife...just not a book people take way too seriously.
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You are foolish, C-Pain, but no one expects you to change. That's the nature of your irrational beliefs that don't require any backing evidence for you to wholeheartedly accept them
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Wtf I'm an atheist and you're still being a jerk

lmao at people who believe in that magic sky daddy
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C_Pain posted...

Imagine choosing to spend eternity in hell suffering because you like feeling a sense of smug superiority

No they promise you the opposite of that in religion. I think you got your wires crossed, try to pay more attention next time.
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You know what? You're an ass.

I'm going back to being Muslim
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C_Pain posted...

Wtf I'm an atheist and you're still being a jerk

lmao at people who believe in that magic sky daddy

I don't have any problem with you choosing to believe in crazy stories, but what gets to me is you coming at us and telling us we're going to hell in such a smug, condescending tone.

Again, how would you, as a (presumably) Christian, feel if every time you brought up your beliefs a Muslim scoffed at you and said "I can't believe you're choosing to disregard Allah and condemn yourself to eternal torture in the next life. What's wrong with you?"

Not that great, huh?
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C_Pain posted...

Wtf I'm an atheist and you're still being a jerk

lmao at people who believe in that magic sky daddy

See this is why it's pointless to try to reason with these holy rollers. You don't get anywhere, and who cares? Fuck em.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

C_Pain posted...

Wtf I'm an atheist and you're still being a jerk

lmao at people who believe in that magic sky daddy

I don't have any problem with you choosing to believe in crazy stories, but what gets to me is you coming at us and telling us we're going to hell in such a smug, condescending tone.

Again, how would you, as a (presumably) Christian, feel if every time you brought up your beliefs a Muslim scoffed at you and said "I can't believe you're choosing to disregard Allah and condemn yourself to eternal torture in the next life. What's wrong with you?"

Not that great, huh?

Wtf why won't you believe me? Have some faith. I'm atheist now.

Also I was genuinely concerned about you going to hell. I want you to go to heaven.
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woah... damn... really makes you think
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Most people are afraid of things we don't understand. Religion is one of these ways where we try to cope with ourselves, because nobody knows the answers. No one can claim to know 100% what truly happens when you die... if the soul exists, if the afterlife exists, if reincarnation exists, if Heaven or Hell, angels and demons, gods and monsters exist. The fear of not knowing is like a tangible danger, and drives us to think in the most far reaching and abstract ways we can possibly imagine... and we come up with all these religions to cater to our beliefs, so that we feel more secure and rightgeous.

It's easier for people to just believe and say things like "God will send me to Heaven for being a good person" or "Jesus died for my sins and loves me no matter what" instead of a more bleak scenario of "there is nothing but an empty and infinite void when I die", but no one can prove that any of these scenarios are real or not.

People want to belive they are right no matter what, and anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool. Wars are fought over shit like this. It's asinine and why I avoid talking about religion, politics, etc to common people you meet every day.
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No, you guys don't understand. All 13.7 billion years of nonexistence is just so god could talk to a few people in the desert. That's right, 13.7 billion years and it's only the last 2000 years (about 0.00000146% of all time) that are important. On one planet out of billions of solar systems and billions of galaxies.

We're just that important.

Rhylos posted...

No, you guys don't understand. All 13.7 billion years of nonexistence is just so god could talk to a few people in the desert. That's right, 13.7 billion years and it's only the last 2000 years (about 0.00000146% of all time) that are important. On one planet out of billions of solar systems and billions of galaxies.

We're just that important.

wouldnt that be sublime
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C_Pain posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

C_Pain posted...

Wtf I'm an atheist and you're still being a jerk

lmao at people who believe in that magic sky daddy

I don't have any problem with you choosing to believe in crazy stories, but what gets to me is you coming at us and telling us we're going to hell in such a smug, condescending tone.

Again, how would you, as a (presumably) Christian, feel if every time you brought up your beliefs a Muslim scoffed at you and said "I can't believe you're choosing to disregard Allah and condemn yourself to eternal torture in the next life. What's wrong with you?"

Not that great, huh?

Wtf why won't you believe me? Have some faith. I'm atheist now.

Also I was genuinely concerned about you going to hell. I want you to go to heaven.

You want to save me from hell; I want to save you from a lifetime of ignorance. Step into the light of rational, evidence-based thought, my child.
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Ok I agree. I renounce jesus.
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Sure is angstheist ITT
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Religion has been and always will be a coping mechanism. Life, existence, our self-awareness are all mysterious, potentially frightening things.
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It's called faith for a reason. You're not supposed to understand 100% everything 100% of the time. You surrender yourself completely god almighty and believe he will save you from your issues.
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ShamblerQ posted...

It's called faith for a reason. You're not supposed to understand 100% everything 100% of the time. You surrender yourself completely god almighty and believe he will save you from your issues.

There is nothing wrong with having faith. I totally agree that we, as a species, are not meant to know and understand everything. We aren't ready to bear such a heavy burden of knowledge. We would most likely destroy ourselves if we found out aliens do indeed exist, or there is no heaven, or something else that's so mind-shattering it will change our species forever. To be honest, everyone should have a little bit of faith, either in themselves or in a higher and broader, generalized upper power, because believing that everything will be alright makes your day go by much more smoothly, and bringing those positive vibes makes other people less negative.

But when that faith becomes blind or narrow minded, then you have a problem. The things that we do not know, it is more appealing and attractive to label it as divine, or associate it with a god or deity, because the fear of knowing or learning the truth of a certain phenomenon or experience, like death, is too great for us to handle as a collective of individuals. People should not close off their minds and have such archaic and narrow minded views about religion. This causes people to fight over those beliefs and ideas, because we all want to be right and prove others wrong, and we wage wars. Instead, we should be sharing our experiences and keep open minds to all the possibilities. Yes, we will not know all the answers, but if our species is going to survive, we going to need to get along with each other. The last thing we need is to nuke ourselves into the ground because of religion, or politics.
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Xenozoa425 posted...

ShamblerQ posted...

It's called faith for a reason. You're not supposed to understand 100% everything 100% of the time. You surrender yourself completely god almighty and believe he will save you from your issues.

There is nothing wrong with having faith. I totally agree that we, as a species, are not meant to know and understand everything. We aren't ready to bear such a heavy burden of knowledge. We would most likely destroy ourselves if we found out aliens do indeed exist, or there is no heaven, or something else that's so mind-shattering it will change our species forever. To be honest, everyone should have a little bit of faith, either in themselves or in a higher and broader, generalized upper power, because believing that everything will be alright makes your day go by much more smoothly, and bringing those positive vibes makes other people less negative.

But when that faith becomes blind or narrow minded, then you have a problem. The things that we do not know, it is more appealing and attractive to label it as divine, or associate it with a god or deity, because the fear of knowing or learning the truth of a certain phenomenon or experience, like death, is too great for us to handle as a collective of individuals. People should not close off their minds and have such archaic and narrow minded views about religion. This causes people to fight over those beliefs and ideas, because we all want to be right and prove others wrong, and we wage wars. Instead, we should be sharing our experiences and keep open minds to all the possibilities. Yes, we will not know all the answers, but if our species is going to survive, we going to need to get along with each other. The last thing we need is to nuke ourselves into the ground because of religion, or politics.

I see what you mean, and i agree. An open mind leads us to a better understanding.
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They literally make shit up. They dont need to provide any evidence. The foundation of argument/rebuttal is lost.

When you die and cease all exisistence its not like ill be there to say "See, i told you so" so its not like youll ever learn better.

A higher being doesnt talk to you nor is there ever any evidence. Praying is literally thinking and doesnt make sense seeing as a higher power would know and do as they pleased if they existed.

The plot holes of religion have been pointed out for decades.
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008Zulu posted...

C_Pain posted...

Imagine choosing to spend eternity in hell suffering because you like feeling a sense of smug superiority

Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

But youd suffer in hell and rejoice in heaven...
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LordMarshal posted...

They literally make shit up. They dont need to provide any evidence. The foundation of argument/rebuttal is lost.

When you die and cease all exisistence its not like ill be there to say "See, i told you so" so its not like youll ever learn better.

A higher being doesnt talk to you nor is there ever any evidence. Praying is literally thinking and doesnt make sense seeing as a higher power would know and do as they pleased if they existed.

The plot holes of religion have been pointed out for decades.

There are a lot of objective truths about Christianity that you may not be fully aware of. For instance, the old testsment (which no one has refuted coming before the new testament) clearly references the arrival of Jesus somewhere down the line. All of the prophecies came true and no one has refuted the life and death of Jesus.

As far as prayer goes, the point of it isnt to simply provide God with your wishlist of wants but its one way in which one would strengthen their relationship with God as they see His work in their life. Sure, God is aware of your wants/needs/thoughts but the importance of praying to God for those things is to stretch and grow your faith.

I doubt what I typed will come off as more than nonsensical gibberish to many readers but if you have any questions, Id be glad to openly discuss things in a civil manner.
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Deedice posted...

LordMarshal posted...

They literally make shit up. They dont need to provide any evidence. The foundation of argument/rebuttal is lost.

When you die and cease all exisistence its not like ill be there to say "See, i told you so" so its not like youll ever learn better.

A higher being doesnt talk to you nor is there ever any evidence. Praying is literally thinking and doesnt make sense seeing as a higher power would know and do as they pleased if they existed.

The plot holes of religion have been pointed out for decades.

There are a lot of objective truths about Christianity that you may not be fully aware of. For instance, the old testsment (which no one has refuted coming before the new testament) clearly references the arrival of Jesus somewhere down the line. All of the prophecies came true and no one has refuted the life and death of Jesus

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

No offense, but that's about as convincing as someone saying "The return of Voldemort was foretold in the first book of Harry Potter. God was clearly directing JK Rowling with a divine inspiration." It's just curious to me how you could take anything written by man as infallible, no questions asked.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Deedice posted...

LordMarshal posted...

They literally make shit up. They dont need to provide any evidence. The foundation of argument/rebuttal is lost.

When you die and cease all exisistence its not like ill be there to say "See, i told you so" so its not like youll ever learn better.

A higher being doesnt talk to you nor is there ever any evidence. Praying is literally thinking and doesnt make sense seeing as a higher power would know and do as they pleased if they existed.

The plot holes of religion have been pointed out for decades.

There are a lot of objective truths about Christianity that you may not be fully aware of. For instance, the old testsment (which no one has refuted coming before the new testament) clearly references the arrival of Jesus somewhere down the line. All of the prophecies came true and no one has refuted the life and death of Jesus

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

No offense, but that's about as convincing as someone saying "The return of Voldemort was foretold in the first book of Harry Potter. God was clearly directing JK Rowling with a divine inspiration." It's just curious to me how you could take anything written by man as infallible, no questions asked.

Exactly. "Realationship with God" it would always be perfect as everything is his will. It makes no sense at all.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Deedice posted...

LordMarshal posted...

They literally make shit up. They dont need to provide any evidence. The foundation of argument/rebuttal is lost.

When you die and cease all exisistence its not like ill be there to say "See, i told you so" so its not like youll ever learn better.

A higher being doesnt talk to you nor is there ever any evidence. Praying is literally thinking and doesnt make sense seeing as a higher power would know and do as they pleased if they existed.

The plot holes of religion have been pointed out for decades.

There are a lot of objective truths about Christianity that you may not be fully aware of. For instance, the old testsment (which no one has refuted coming before the new testament) clearly references the arrival of Jesus somewhere down the line. All of the prophecies came true and no one has refuted the life and death of Jesus

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

No offense, but that's about as convincing as someone saying "The return of Voldemort was foretold in the first book of Harry Potter. God was clearly directing JK Rowling with a divine inspiration." It's just curious to me how you could take anything written by man as infallible, no questions asked.

I get your skepticism, however Ive never heard it disputed that any of the content found in the old testament was written after the new testament.
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Please, O Lord, forgive these posters in this topic. They know not what they do. I hope that even though they disrespect You and doubt Your divine presence, that they shall one day be allowed to enter into Your heavenly kingdom. In Christ, your Son's name I pray. Amen.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

the old testament is kept by Jews who don't believe in Jesus

how would Christians insert said prophecies into their holy book as you suggest?
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Yup. Sometimes it amazes me that so many people mindlessly subscribe to these religions with no evidence to support them. We demand proof for most other things, but it gets a pass for reasons. And apparently even questioning religion gets you called a fedora neckbeard by the zealots on here.

*tips New England Patriots hat*

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Ah, I remember working at my aunts restaurant and got a pamphlet as a tip. It listed all the reasons I was going to Hell, cause I didn't believe in Jesus, and there was nothing I could do about it. Was half tempted to rip it up in front of the lady, but just tossed it after she left.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

the old testament is kept by Jews who don't believe in Jesus

how would Christians insert said prophecies into their holy book as you suggest?

Maybe he was suggesting that the fulfillment of prophecies in the old testament were written into the new testament after the fact (of Jesus' life and ministry).

But that would be completely logical and rational so he probably didn't mean that.

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Imagine thinking that of the thousands and thousands of religions that have existed throughout human history, the one you picked is, without question, the right one. All this without any sort of evidence to back you up.

Assuming you're a Christian, all the Muslims of the world (and even some other strains of Christianity) have the same conviction that you're going to burn in hell as you do for us. They're just as likely to be correct as you are, lol

Tanoomba posted...

Religion has been and always will be a coping mechanism. Life, existence, our self-awareness are all mysterious, potentially frightening things.

These.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

the old testament is kept by Jews who don't believe in Jesus

how would Christians insert said prophecies into their holy book as you suggest?

Maybe he was suggesting that the fulfillment of prophecies in the old testament were written into the new testament after the fact (of Jesus' life and ministry).

But that would be completely logical and rational so he probably didn't mean that.

problem is that is literally impossible

there is prophecy that the Gentiles would follow the messiah

the Jews were stuck up and thought of the Gentiles as Heathen dogs

you might not know it but a Jew just touching a Gentile made them ritually unclean

and yet it wasn't before long until Gentiles as Christians outnumbered the Jews and soon were the dominant force of Christianity

the best argument an atheist has against this is coincidence as otherwise you would have to ascribe magical powers to the apostles to convince the Gentiles to abandon Paganism and follow the messiah

here is the prophecy:

Isaiah 11:10
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

the same is alluded to elsewhere such as in Psalms 22

note that the author of Psalms and Isaiah are not the same people and they written hundreds of years apart

and it would be like 500+ years later until the time of Jesus (probably much more, from Hosea to Matthew I think was 400 years)

and lo and behold, non-Jews becoming Christians left and right "seeking" the messiah

it is also quite curious why the sacred texts of a people who thought being around and touching Gentiles would have their messiah to draw these same people to him

just to note, again, this isn't a one time prophecy either
it is found in the promise to Abraham as well that all nations would be blessed through his seed (yes, even and especially the heathen), also found multiple times in Isaiah
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darkphoenix181 posted...

problem is that is literally impossible

darkphoenix181 posted...

the best argument an atheist has against this is coincidence

It's a pretty good one and not the slightest bit impossible.

So does bitcoin but people buy into it anyways
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

problem is that is literally impossible

darkphoenix181 posted...

the best argument an atheist has against this is coincidence

It's a pretty good one and not the slightest bit impossible.

coincidence isn't a good argument, but if you want to believe that then go ahead

just fyi, there is more to messianic prophecy than this one little tid bit

when you look at the rest together and think it is all coincidence, it makes one wonder
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darkphoenix181 posted...

coincidence isn't a good argument

It's not an argument, it's a "yeah why wouldn't it be?" response. You're the one insinuating THIS COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE A COINCIDENCE and I'm mainly just confused by why not.

here is another troublesome passage for "coincidence"

in A.D. 70 the city of Jerusalem was destroyed with the Jewish temple

this is history that the apostles could not have manipulated

Jesus prophecied about this but of course they could have made that up and inserted it as you would argue maybe

but they couldn't have made up these prophecies that were written 500+ years before:

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel declared that the Messiah would be cut off. Then the city and the sanctuary (the temple) would be destroyed.

Jesus died first, then the city and the temple by historical account was destroyed.
If Jesus was the messiah, this prophecy was fulfilled.
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I don't think its troublesome. I also think it's confirmation bias to associate a work that in its own timeline takes place directly after the destruction of the first temple with the destruction of the second temple half a millennia later.

NibeIungsnarf posted...

I also think it's confirmation bias to associate a work that in its own timeline takes place directly after the destruction of the first temple with the destruction of the second temple half a millennia later.

I would agree with you here if it did not have the part about the messiah being cutoff

it wouldn't be hard to say sometime in the future the city might be sacked again

but when he discusses it in relation to the messiah, it is again a troublesome coincidence that Jesus claimed to be the messiah, was cutoff just like it says, and within the same generation (people who saw Jesus die were still alive) the city was sacked again and the temple destroyed
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fenderbender321 posted...

There's no reason to focus on the obvious 1% of the bible and stuff that is incorrect or morally wrong. For example, anyone who's read the New Testament knows that it's purpose is to teach life lessons and habits, and that if you follow them, you will have a good life.

The Bible teaches that Living a good life, without believing in Jesus as savior will still lead to eternal damnation.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

So how exactly can you be so sure that anything written in the Bible is actually the word of God? It would have been easy for the religious leaders to add a prophecy about Jesus after the fact.

the old testament is kept by Jews who don't believe in Jesus

how would Christians insert said prophecies into their holy book as you suggest?

By just fucking doing it?

I don't get what the obstacle is here.
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