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Antifar 12/12/17 2:23:11 PM #1:	https://splinternews.com/shithead-bosses-would-be-allowed-to-steal-6-1-billion-1821221466 Earlier this month, the Trump administration announced a proposed new rule that would allow bosses to legally steal their workers tips. A new analysis published Tuesday by the Economic Policy Institute found the rule would lead to employers pocketing $6.1 billion in workers tipsor 16.9% of the estimated $36.4 billion in tips earned annually by tipped workerswithout any legal assurance that workers would see their money again. The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. But the proposed rule also rescinds regulations that restrict employer use of customer tips when the employer pays at least the full federal minimum wage, so while employers could use those pooled tips to increase their kitchen staffs pay, the rule doesnt prohibit employers from simply pocketing those pooled tips. The EPI analysis provides one answer to the big question left unanswered by the DOL: how many employers will steal their workers tips? The DOL has argued the rule is actually a good, worker-friendly move because lower-income kitchen staff will get to share in the tips; its press release described the rule as giving employers the freedom to allow sharing of tips among more employees. But if you dont actually require employers to do that, some of them will inevitably not share the wealth. Maybe even most of them! Wage theft is already a huge problem, particularly in the service industry, and those who file claims can wait months or years to see any justice. Another EPI study earlier this year found wage theft affects 17% of low-wage workers and a 2010 study by UCLA found low-wage workers in Los Angeles regularly experience violations of basic laws that mandate a minimum wage and overtime pay. But the Department of Labor did not release any estimate of the potential economic impact of this rule. The notice of proposed rule-making suggests it could allow restaurants to make capital improvements to their establishments (e.g. enlarging the dining area to accommodate more customers), lower restaurant menu prices, provide workers with new benefits (e.g. paid time off), increase work hours, or hire additional workers, but provided no analysis of how many would employers would actually do any of that compared to how much money workers stand to lose. The Economic Policy Institute suggested the department didnt produce its own figures because they know it would lead to a a substantial shift of tips from workers to employers. Splinter reached out to the DOL for comment and has not received a response. "It's a workers' party now" --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:892081859] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>https://splinternews.com/shithead-bosses-would-be-allowed-to-steal-6-1-billion-1821221466 <quote>Earlier this month, the Trump administration announced a proposed new rule that would allow bosses to legally steal their workers tips. A new analysis published Tuesday by the Economic Policy Institute found the rule would lead to employers pocketing $6.1 billion in workers tipsor 16.9% of the estimated $36.4 billion in tips earned annually by tipped workerswithout any legal assurance that workers would see their money again. The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. But the proposed rule also rescinds regulations that restrict employer use of customer tips when the employer pays at least the full federal minimum wage, so while employers could use those pooled tips to increase their kitchen staffs pay, the rule doesnt prohibit employers from simply pocketing those pooled tips. The EPI analysis provides one answer to the big question left unanswered by the DOL: how many employers will steal their workers tips? The DOL has argued the rule is actually a good, worker-friendly move because lower-income kitchen staff will get to share in the tips; its press release described the rule as giving employers the freedom to allow sharing of tips among more employees. But if you dont actually require employers to do that, some of them will inevitably not share the wealth. Maybe even most of them! Wage theft is already a huge problem, particularly in the service industry, and those who file claims can wait months or years to see any justice. Another EPI study earlier this year found wage theft affects 17% of low-wage workers and a 2010 study by UCLA found low-wage workers in Los Angeles regularly experience violations of basic laws that mandate a minimum wage and overtime pay. But the Department of Labor did not release any estimate of the potential economic impact of this rule. The notice of proposed rule-making suggests it could allow restaurants to make capital improvements to their establishments (e.g. enlarging the dining area to accommodate more customers), lower restaurant menu prices, provide workers with new benefits (e.g. paid time off), increase work hours, or hire additional workers, but provided no analysis of how many would employers would actually do any of that compared to how much money workers stand to lose. The Economic Policy Institute suggested the department didnt produce its own figures because they know it would lead to a a substantial shift of tips from workers to employers. Splinter reached out to the DOL for comment and has not received a response.</quote> "It's a workers' party now"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trigg3rH4ppy 12/12/17 2:24:53 PM #2:	I want to work where they're getting billion dollar tips /Dad jokes --- ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.png <cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted [p:892081970] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>I want to work where they're getting billion dollar tips /Dad jokes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 12/12/17 2:26:54 PM #3:	Republicans sure are shitty --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:892082094] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>Republicans sure are shitty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 12/12/17 2:27:25 PM #4:	Trigg3rH4ppy posted... I want to work where they're getting billion dollar tips --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:892082122] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted...</cite> <quote>I want to work where they're getting billion dollar tips</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 12/12/17 2:29:21 PM #5:	Fuck this Bs --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:892082231] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>Fuck this Bs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 12/12/17 2:29:47 PM #6:	Antifar posted... The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. Leftist should support restaurants that follow this model. It's taking money from those earned it and giving it to those who didn't in order to make things more fair and combat "but muh income inequality". --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:892082256] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. </quote> Leftist should support restaurants that follow this model. It's taking money from those earned it and giving it to those who didn't in order to make things more fair and combat "but muh income inequality".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/12/17 2:31:43 PM #7:	Antifar posted... The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. But the proposed rule also rescinds regulations that restrict employer use of customer tips when the employer pays at least the full federal minimum wage, so while employers could use those pooled tips to increase their kitchen staffs pay, the rule doesnt prohibit employers from simply pocketing those pooled tips. I don't see how we get from this to tip theft. Saying a business can require tip pooling isn't a big deal since a lot of restaurants already do this. I assume they're arguing that the employer will use the tip jar to bump everyone up to minimum wage, and then pocket the rest? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892082372] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. But the proposed rule also rescinds regulations that restrict employer use of customer tips when the employer pays at least the full federal minimum wage, so while employers could use those pooled tips to increase their kitchen staffs pay, the rule doesnt prohibit employers from simply pocketing those pooled tips.</quote> I don't see how we get from this to tip theft. Saying a business can require tip pooling isn't a big deal since a lot of restaurants already do this. I assume they're arguing that the employer will use the tip jar to bump everyone up to minimum wage, and then pocket the rest?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/12/17 2:31:43 PM #8:	How are bosses even getting those tips? Aren't they given directly to the waiter? If he asks for them just say no. And if he fires you tell people and drive the jerk out of business. --- My dream has finally come true. I own a SNES Classic. I like Gardevoir, just not in that way. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:892082373] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>How are bosses even getting those tips? Aren't they given directly to the waiter? If he asks for them just say no. And if he fires you tell people and drive the jerk out of business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/12/17 2:33:30 PM #10:	DifferentialEquation posted... Antifar posted... The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. Leftist should support restaurants that follow this model. It's taking money from those earned it and giving it to those who didn't in order to make things more fair and combat "but muh income inequality". Finally, communism in the service industry! I'm sure this will make everyone's lives better. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892082481] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. </quote> Leftist should support restaurants that follow this model. It's taking money from those earned it and giving it to those who didn't in order to make things more fair and combat "but muh income inequality".</quote> Finally, communism in the service industry! I'm sure this will make everyone's lives better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muchdran 12/12/17 2:34:45 PM #11:	Good tipping needs to end --- If liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all. <cite>muchdran posted [p:892082578] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>Good tipping needs to end</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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L0Z 12/12/17 2:41:38 PM #13:	If that passes i just wont tip anymore <cite>L0Z posted [p:892082998] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>If that passes i just wont tip anymore</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 12/12/17 2:47:15 PM #14:	Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable? --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:892083355] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 12/12/17 2:48:52 PM #15:	I just don't get how it's legal to pay waiters/esses less than minimum wage anyways. Tipping should not be an excuse to lower their wages. Remember, tipping, at its core, is supposed to be an additional bonus for going above and beyond, as opposed to the "expectation" it brings these days. --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:892083460] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>I just don't get how it's legal to pay waiters/esses less than minimum wage anyways. Tipping should not be an excuse to lower their wages. Remember, tipping, at its core, is supposed to be an additional bonus for going above and beyond, as opposed to the "expectation" it brings these days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/12/17 2:50:13 PM #16:	Paragon21XX posted... Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable? They link to the study here: http://www.epi.org/publication/employers-would-pocket-6-1-billion-of-workers-tips-under-trump-administrations-proposed-tip-stealing-rule/ --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:892083544] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable?</quote> They link to the study here: http://www.epi.org/publication/employers-would-pocket-6-1-billion-of-workers-tips-under-trump-administrations-proposed-tip-stealing-rule/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/12/17 2:54:31 PM #17:	Paragon21XX posted... Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable? it also rates CNN as far left, which is a claim bad enough to draw the rest of their claims into question --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:892083812] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable?</quote> it also rates CNN as far left, which is a claim bad enough to draw the rest of their claims into question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 12/12/17 2:55:21 PM #18:	muchdran posted... Good tipping needs to end This won't end tipping. It just says the restaurants can take the tips for themselves. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:892083867] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>muchdran posted...</cite> <quote>Good tipping needs to end</quote> This won't end tipping. It just says the restaurants can take the tips for themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 12/12/17 2:56:48 PM #19:	This most likely bullshit. No reason to get worked up. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892083960] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote> This most likely bullshit. No reason to get worked up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/12/17 2:57:22 PM #20:	s0nicfan posted... Antifar posted... The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. But the proposed rule also rescinds regulations that restrict employer use of customer tips when the employer pays at least the full federal minimum wage, so while employers could use those pooled tips to increase their kitchen staffs pay, the rule doesnt prohibit employers from simply pocketing those pooled tips. I don't see how we get from this to tip theft. Saying a business can require tip pooling isn't a big deal since a lot of restaurants already do this. I assume they're arguing that the employer will use the tip jar to bump everyone up to minimum wage, and then pocket the rest? No, because these new regulations apply only to employers already paying the full minimum wage, and not the "tipped" minimum. This came up about a week or two ago already. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:892083999] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The proposed Department of Labor rule would allow business owners to require tipped employees to pool their tipssupposedly to benefit employees who generally dont receive tips, like kitchen staff, and to help companies retain these low-wage workers. But the proposed rule also rescinds regulations that restrict employer use of customer tips when the employer pays at least the full federal minimum wage, so while employers could use those pooled tips to increase their kitchen staffs pay, the rule doesnt prohibit employers from simply pocketing those pooled tips.</quote> I don't see how we get from this to tip theft. Saying a business can require tip pooling isn't a big deal since a lot of restaurants already do this. I assume they're arguing that the employer will use the tip jar to bump everyone up to minimum wage, and then pocket the rest?</quote> No, because these new regulations apply only to employers already paying the full minimum wage, and not the "tipped" minimum. This came up about a week or two ago already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 12/12/17 2:58:27 PM #21:	averagejoel posted... Paragon21XX posted... Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable? it also rates CNN as far left, which is a claim bad enough to draw the rest of their claims into question Ok, I lol'd --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:892084072] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable?</quote> it also rates CNN as far left, which is a claim bad enough to draw the rest of their claims into question</quote> Ok, I lol'd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 12/12/17 3:00:41 PM #22:	averagejoel posted... Paragon21XX posted... Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable? it also rates CNN as far left, which is a claim bad enough to draw the rest of their claims into question It doesn't rate them as far left -- those are the sites you frequent. It rates them between left and center-left, which is spot on. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892084205] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>Media Bias Fact Check rates Splinter News as far left with mixed reporting accuracy. Can you find me a site that is not so politically charged and questionable?</quote> it also rates CNN as far left, which is a claim bad enough to draw the rest of their claims into question</quote> It doesn't rate them as far left -- those are the sites you frequent. It rates them between left and center-left, which is spot on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/12/17 3:00:52 PM #23:	Another report on this study http://247wallst.com/services/2017/12/12/tipped-workers-could-lose-6-1-billion-under-proposed-change/ Various outlets reporting on the proposed rule change: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/12/07/the-trump-administration-proposes-allow -tip-pooling-in-restaurants-critics-call-it-stealing-workers-wages/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-proposes-rollback-tip-pooling-rule-200254243--finance.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-trump-share-tips-20171204-story.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-labor-tipping/trump-administration-proposes-rollback-of-tip-pooling-rule-idUSKBN1DY2JH https://www.natlawreview.com/article/labor-department-proposes-reversal-its-current-tip-pooling-rules http://thehill.com/regulation/labor/364319-dems-urge-labor-chief-to-delay-new-rule-on-workers-tips https://www.dailyamerican.com/local-restaurant-workers-speak-out-about-tip-pooling/article_fca54736-de18-11e7-ba3e-3bc6ee917309.html --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:892084216] in Bosses Wou... [t:76091244]...</cite> <quote>Another report on this study http://247wallst.com/services/2017/12/12/tipped-workers-could-lose-6-1-billion-under-proposed-change/ Various outlets reporting on the proposed rule change: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/12/07/the-trump-administration-proposes-allow -tip-pooling-in-restaurants-critics-call-it-stealing-workers-wages/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-proposes-rollback-tip-pooling-rule-200254243--finance.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-trump-share-tips-20171204-story.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-labor-tipping/trump-administration-proposes-rollback-of-tip-pooling-rule-idUSKBN1DY2JH https://www.natlawreview.com/article/labor-department-proposes-reversal-its-current-tip-pooling-rules http://thehill.com/regulation/labor/364319-dems-urge-labor-chief-to-delay-new-rule-on-workers-tips https://www.dailyamerican.com/local-restaurant-workers-speak-out-about-tip-pooling/article_fca54736-de18-11e7-ba3e-3bc6ee917309.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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