Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 2: The Continuation (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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I love the fact that Maya carries the metal detector around for the rest of the case after she gets it.

also Larry makes some great random references by telling von Karma "well that's just like your opinion man"
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Oh, looks like the English dub only goes through the first game's cases.

But the 1-4 adaptation just reminded me of how amazing Phoenix is on that last day. 1-4 Day 3 might be his best performance, and that's saying a lot.
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it's definitely his best performance.
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I dunno. He's pretty darn great both days of 2-4 and 3-5 day 2. He's really solid on 1-5 day 3, too. He's always at his best when the stakes are the highest.

Although if we're talking non-epic cases, there's 2-2 day 2, 3-3 day 2, 5-6 day 2, and 6-3 day 2.
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Save.
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I feel like it's pretty clear what each prosecutor's best case is, except maybe Klavier, I guess.
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i'd argue that among multi-case prosecutors, possibly only blackquill (5-2) and nahyuta (6-3) are that obvious.

i'm assuming you have:

edgeworth: 2-4
franziska: 2-2
godot: 3-2

or something to this effect?
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Edgeworth's is obviously 2-4. It's the best performance for any prosecutor, period. It's part of why 2-4 is the best case. It's Phoenix and Edgeworth arguably at the peak of their powers.

I guess Godot's is debatable, too.
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Edgeworth 2-4
Payne 3-1
Franziska 2-3
Godot 3-3
Klavier 4-3
Blackquill 5-2
Nahyuta 6-3

imo. A lot of tossups though

I guess if you can divide it up into days, it's a little easier. Franziska's is 2-2 day 1, and Klavier's is 4-4 day 1. Godot's might be 3-3 day 2 or 3-5 day 2.
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Godot has to be 3-2, if only for the end of 3-3.
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Honestly, Godot's best case is hard to pin down because the reason he's so popular isn't because of his prosecutorial skills.
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I think Godot is one of the least effective prosecutors actually

I picked 3-3 over 3-2 because Godot is just generally a lot more active in it, in 3-2 he doesn't really do much to control the pace or outcome of the trial at all until the end

Oh, no doubt. Like I said, nobody likes him because he's good at his job. It's part of why my immediate reaction for best Godot case was 3-5 because that's him at his coolest, not because he was the most effective as a prosecutor.
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Godot barely even prosecutes in 3-5 though

well yeah, he's defending himself more than he's prosecuting, but Godot kinda gets judged differently from the rest

but he's actually kind of Edgeworth-esque at times during 3-5 in that he frequently clears up misunderstandings and even calls out his own witnesses a time or two for saying something incorrect or misleading
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I felt most of AA3 was just a series of great performances by Phoenix. Only once does he go to trial and not secure a Not Guilty verdict within the day, and he has some pretty tough cases to fight his way out of! And of course in 3-2 day 1 he's so "good" he successfully argues a Not Guilty verdict for someone who doesn't deserve it.

Like yeah Godot isn't the strongest opponent but both the killers and the situations are, and Phoenix blasts them apart. The end where even Godot realises that Phoenix has become a great attorney kinda drives this home.
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Well, by the end of JFA, Phoenix is a fully realized and developed character, so basically the only thing left to do in T&T is wrap up loose ends (largely done by playing as Mia) and then just put Phoenix in some of the craziest situations you can think of and see how he gets out of them. He's earned Mia's praise, "You were as good as any lawyer could ever hope to be," by the end.

only to completely blow it not even two months later darn you 4-0
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seriously it's the worst
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Time for: https://imgur.com/a/8QVtO
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"Good thing I don't care!"

That never gets old.
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thinking about it some more, peak Godot as a lawyer/prosecutor might be 3-4?
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Eh, he doesn't really do that much in 3-4 either.

The more I think about it, the more I do think his best performance is 3-5 because Godot tries to make sure that the trial is run by the book more than anything else. If Phoenix beats him, he wants it to be legit.
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Hmmm...I think I'm about ready for another replay. I'm gonna do timeline order this time, starting with E1-4, 3-4, and 3-1.

Anything you guys want me to keep track of this time? That was a lot of fun. It doesn't really matter how minute or pedantic the request. I am open to all suggestions.
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3-5 is so nothing though. Godot is secondary to the Feys despite the amazing ending.

man, you're dedicated. I can't even come up with some dumb thing for you to do this time. give me a little bit and I'll find something.
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3-2 is the only case where Godot is the star of the show, really, so yeah, that's probably his best case.
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But yeah, I want to replay it again because I want to get my knowledge of the later games up to an encyclopedic level like I have with the first three, so that means I need to play them a lot.

Also, I enjoyed timing the cases last time because it's fun to learn new stuff about the series, and focusing on a different task this time will probably be neat, too.
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this is beyond what you want to do, but I always wanted to make a sporcle quiz on most lines in the series.
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So would lines be individual text boxes even if the same character is speaking for multiple text boxes in a row?
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I would count a line from its beginning until someone else talks, probably.
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although, I would count a five statement testimony as five lines. I dunno.
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Well, a testimony is different. The individual statements are meant to be parsed and taken separately from each other.
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I think that list would go

1. Phoenix
2. Edgeworth (just because of AAI)
3. Judge
4. Apollo
5. Maya
6. Gumshoe
7. Trucy
8. Kay
9. Franziska
10. Athena
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The only person I think you might be leaving out of that list is Ema

I would probably cut Franziska from the list and put Ema there

not sure if above or below Athena

oh and Trucy almost definitely doesn't make the cut either. Maybe put Franziska back on over her

The only other characters I can think of that MIGHT be worth making a note of are Pearl, Larry, and Blackquill, but I doubt any of them are top 10

I can't think of any other characters that aren't clearly beaten out

I would say, don't underestimate the useless banter of an investigation partner! I might be way underrating Maya here because man there's a lot of flavor text everywhere
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blackquill talks more than franziska

(edit) i guess this depends on how much flavor text she has in her short out-of-court stints.

franziska is more comparable to mia i think.
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in court, sure
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Maya is below Gumshoe. Remember, Maya's character is defined by being absent almost as much as she is defined by being present. Consider, the FULL list of cases in which Maya is an investigation partner:

1-3
1-4
2-3
3-2
3-3
6-6

That's it. That's the WHOLE list. She's also a court partner in 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 6-3, and a witness in 3-5 and briefly in 6-5, so those are all notable appearances as well, but she's not really as omnipresent in the series as she seems. Kay actually has one more case as an investigation partner than she does, amazingly enough. (I'm not counting LvW here. Too messy and it only pads Phoenix/Maya's stats.)

Trucy, meanwhile, is even worse off on this front. She's the investigation partner in 4-2 and 4-3 which are decently big cases. She is in 4-4 as well but the part of 4-4 that Apollo and Trucy are in control for is really short and it's dominated by Mason system stuff that Trucy is only briefly in. Then she makes some very brief appearances in AA5 before being the defendant in 6-2 and actually a fairly major partner in 6-5 (easy to forget but she has a lot of dialog in that case), and that's about it. It's a lot, but I think it's below Ema, who has the entirety of 1-5 as an assistant (and 1-5 is almost as long as all of the parts Trucy is in in AA4 COMBINED), and then she has 4-2, 4-3, 4-4, 6-2, 6-3, 6-5, and 6-6 as detective, plus a couple of fleeting cameos in E1-3 and E2-4 to pad her stats a bit.

I think Athena's probably higher too since she's everywhere in AA5 and in a fairly significant portion of AA6.

oh I didn't even consider Mia
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SeabassDebeste posted...

blackquill talks more than franziska

(edit) i guess this depends on how much flavor text she has in her short out-of-court stints.

franziska is more comparable to mia i think.

Franziska is bolstered by AAI1, which is probably the game in which she gets the most lines

It's actually really easy to forget until you replay AAI1 how much Franziska is in that game. She's in relatively little of AAI2 by comparison though she does pad her stats a bit there too

Mia would be worth considering if she appeared after AA3 at all, but she is the only character in the series to be in all three of the first games but not have a single line afterwards

Phoenix, Gumshoe, and the Judge have more appearances than anyone in the series, so I'd wager the three of them are probably in the top 5 in some order. Edgeworth and Apollo round out the top 5 just because the player character gets way more dialogue than everyone else. Beyond that, Mia and Maya would be in the top ten, probably. Then maybe Franziska, Blackquill, and Pearl.
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It is really easy to forget though how many appearances Mia makes in the series given that she's dead. She makes a lot of appearances in court as your partner that are easy to forget about, as well as showing up in investigations surprisingly frequently as well

Actually, yeah, there's a good chance Athena is higher than Mia just because DD and SoJ are so much bigger than the OT games, and many of Mia's appearances are brief.
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My personal guess at this list is:

1. Phoenix
2. Edgeworth
3. Judge
4. Apollo
5. Gumshoe
6. Maya
7. Kay
8. Athena
9. Ema
10. Trucy

(again, not including LvW. If I did Maya would be at least 4)

well, Leon, you've got your quest

let's see how dedicated you are
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I'd be really shocked if Gumshoe beat Maya. I guess there's AAI to consider but..
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