Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 2: The Continuation (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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Layton is optional in the sense that it (probably) isn't canon, but I'd still say it's worth playing.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

how are you handling non-canon lines? failed evidence, repeated flashback lines, etc.

presumably internal monologue counts?

I probably won't count lines that are repeated in flashbacks. Just unique lines. Inner monologue totally counts.

I'll go for all the wrong answer dialogue if you guys want. Just depends on how thorough you want it to be.

I was also thinking of keeping a separate category for testimony dialogue just to see who has the most total testimony statements for the series other than Gumshoe.
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are we sure it's gumshoe? yeah I guess it is with AAI. his testimonies are usually just one set, maybe two.

sneaky MVP: Atmey
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Gumshoe wins just due to sheer volume, I'd think.
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It's Gumshoe. It's not close.

actually the funny thing is that the Judge might be the leader after E1-4 because I think he has the most testimonies in this case
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I can't keep track of who's who, but I imagine Dahlia/Iris is #1 amongst non-detectives
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Yeah, probably. Having multiple testimonies in three different cases goes a long way.

Iris never properly testifies though, so Dahlia gets the credit for all those.
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adrian should be close?
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LeonhartFour posted...

actually the funny thing is that the Judge might be the leader after E1-4 because I think he has the most testimonies in this case

His testimonies are pretty short, unfortunately

Oh unless you mean most testimonies

I'm pretty sure Yew has the most testimonies in E1-4 - remember, she has a testimony BEFORE the final showdown too

I just checked and yeah Yew has the most testimonies in E1-4 by far

I actually predicted that Yew would be in the top 30 in overall lines, and a lot of this was the fact that she has a whopping 9 testimonies in this game! Only Dahlia and Gumshoe have that many in a single game (Dahlia has 13 in AA3 (assuming you count the ones where she's "Iris", Gumshoe has 9 in AA2)

I'd count the ones where she's pretending to be Iris as Dahlia because she follows the same formula in all three cases. She pretends to be someone she's not for the first couple testimonies until her real identity is revealed, although it's interesting that her persona and her "real identity" are slightly different in each case.
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Of course, I also implied that you count Shih-na as Yew

which I would

Counting "Iris" as Dahlia and Yew/Shih-na as the same person feels pretty inarguable. We're going by characters here, not "the name as it appears in the textbox". Dahlia may be pretending to be Iris but that's definitely still Dahlia! (Ihmus/Are'bal also obviously the same person, etc.)
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Finished up the first investigation segment and Edgeworth is still maintaining his 45% clip

yeah Phoenix is going to be #1 by a mile
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Phoenix is going to completely embarrass this ranking. Edgeworth is not all that close

The biggest thing I'm not sure about is how many lines the Judge actually has

I would agree but AAI2 is a monster. Edgeworth can probably hang kinda close. like, maybe not get doubled.
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alba and blaise will have a lot
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transience posted...

I would agree but AAI2 is a monster. Edgeworth can probably hang kinda close. like, maybe not get doubled.

It is, but DD and SoJ are also monsters. While 6-5 is Apollo's case, Phoenix is in both trial days and has an entire investigation segment on the second day.

I think the Judge will probably be fourth or fifth behind the big three just due to sheer volume, especially if I go for all the wrong answer dialogue.
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I think Edgeworth is with him on that investigation day! not that I disagree
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transience posted...

I think Edgeworth is with him on that investigation day! not that I disagree

He is, but Edgeworth's part in that case is pretty small. The Phoenix/Edgeworth investigative duo was pretty great, actually.
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well, it's basically just that investigation segment which is why I brought it up. Phoenix is obviously going to rock a count like that.
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I wonder which character has the most lines in a single case. maybe Edgeworth in E2-5?
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It might be Apollo in 6-5 just because it's so much longer than any other case.
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I'd bank on 6-5 Apollo, yeah. The case is super-long and he's almost always on-screen, getting lots of lines. The bit where you play as Phoenix is too short to change this.

(If we don't count 6-5 as one case, then it's probably Edgeworth in E1-5 or E2-5, yeah. Interesting how it's probably not Phoenix regardless! I wonder what case he has the most lines in? 2-4? 1-5?)
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Phoenix might have the most lines in 1-5 because he goes through long stretches of that case with no partner.
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Finally finished my replay of Apollo Justice. I think it was the game I've gone the longest without replaying (probably at least 5 years?)

Relative to my memories:
4-1 underwhelmed a bit
4-2 was a little better
4-3 started off better than I remember, but then the second trial day was such a struggle to get through. Still probably the worst case in the series for me.
4-4 is still good! I think I dislike 4-0 a lot less than many people here (it's certainly not great, but it has a lot of Valant!), and the MASON stuff is really cool.

I'm heading into my replay of DD now. I can't remember if they ever explained why Juniper lost whatever amount of personality she had in 5-3 for 5-1, but man. What a lame character.

One other quick question: is there a way to turn off text skipping in DD without wiping your save? I typically like to have it off because I often accidentally skip stuff otherwise (though I guess the transcript makes this less problematic than it would be in earlier games).
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Leonhart4 posted...

Phoenix might have the most lines in 1-5 because he goes through long stretches of that case with no partner.

I'm not sure how much that really adds since it takes a way a lot of back and forth after the initial observation.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

One other quick question: is there a way to turn off text skipping in DD without wiping your save? I typically like to have it off because I often accidentally skip stuff otherwise (though I guess the transcript makes this less problematic than it would be in earlier games).

Isn't it an option in the menu?

I'm the opposite, DD and SoJ earn by infinite respect for letting me skip lines on a first playthrough (and yes, having a transcript you can check if you accidentally skip something you don't mean to).
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I taught myself how to import 3ds saves solely because I couldn't handle the original text speed in AA trilogy.
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NeoElfboy posted...

Isn't it an option in the menu?

I can't find it in the menu

It's possible I'm being really dumb and missing something obvious
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appllo in 6-5 makes this question unfair

6-5 is longer than 5-4 + 5-5, right?

is it as long as 5-1 + 5-4 + 5-5?
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yeah 6-5 is longer by a few minutes

I almost want to dispute that time, it's so crazy
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I still can't decide how I want to handle 5-4, 5-5, and 6-5 in my case rankings:

- As-is
- Combine 5-4/5-5 and leave 6-5 alone
- Separate 6-5 into two parts and leave 5-4/5-5 alone
- Combine 5-4/5-5 AND separate 6-5 into two parts

There's arguments for all of these!

5-4 and 5-5 are more closely related than the halves of 6-5 imo
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Respect the case divisions as is always.
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I guess blame aa5 for not combining 4 and 5

6-5 feels like it truly is one case thanks to Dhurke and the big twist
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combine the first half of 5-4 with 5-1 and combine the second half of 5-4 with 5-5 imhotbqh
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LeonhartFour posted...

combine the first half of 5-4 with 5-1 and combine the second half of 5-4 with 5-5 imhotbqh

eliminate 5-1 entirely and replace the tutorial case with the first half of 5-4, and i'm right there with ya!
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eliminating 5-1 would be a good first step

I really dislike 5-1
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Yeah, I'm replaying it as we speak

It is not great
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Eh, the end of 5-1 makes it worth it.
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what, calling the bluff? I didn't think that was anything special.
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I thought it was cool. I actually thought the coverup of "Woods" over Tonate's case number and using it to prove he killed Arme before the courtroom bombing was pretty clever for an intro case, too.
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I'm much more cynical on it than you are. I saw that and just kinda rolled my eyes.
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you're much more cynical than I am on most things...!
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eh, maybe -- but maybe not! I think you are much more when it comes to AAI2. I just am for AA5.
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Anyway, I finished E1-4 Beginning. Every time I replay this case, I'm reminded that I think this is Gumshoe's worst case. None of his usual charm is here. They try to inject it into him lying to protect Kay, but my word, the dude obstinately lies for no real reason, even when everyone knows he's lying. He's also kind of a jerk to Edgeworth at first, too.

On the other hand, it might be Franziska's best case, at least in terms of likability. There's a moment during her testimony where Edgeworth points out a contradiction, she points out the logical conclusion of that contradiction to prove a point, Edgeworth points out the ensuing contradiction as if she were actually arguing it, and she just goes, "...Ooh, you got me" with a smirk on her face. I dunno what it is, but I love that reaction. We needed more sarcastic Franziska, for sure.

and man does Calisto Yew say some extremely loaded things in the first part of the case, like saying she isn't related to Cece (which is taken to be a joke) and saying she'd always wanted to try firing a gun at least once
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transience posted...

eh, maybe -- but maybe not! I think you are much more when it comes to AAI2. I just am for AA5.

Eh, E2-2 is the only AAI2 case I'm really down on. I just don't love the others as much as everyone else tends to, except for E2-3 (and E2-1, I guess, since most people seem to think that's the best intro case).

But I still can pretty easily find things to like in every case, including 4-3.
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