Poll of the Day > DS9 > TNG > Discovery > TOS > ENT > Voyager

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This is the correct breakdown. You can disagree if you want, but you're wrong if you do.

I just remembered TAS exists and I wish I could make myself forget it.

I disagree.

knivesX2004 posted...

I disagree.

What is your ranking so I can give you an embarrassingly shallow explanation of why you're wrong.

tng > ds9, but they're definitely the top two
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dragon504 posted...

tng > ds9

TNG and DS9 are character driven shows

Easily the best characters on DS9 and TNG are O'Brien and Garak vs Picard and Data

O'Brien and Garak > Picard and Data

therefore

DS9 > TNG

embarrassingly shallow explanation complete

Discovery is not even Star Trek so you're wrong.
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BrutonGaster posted...

Discovery is not even Star Trek so you're wrong.

Gatekeep all you want, but be aware that people said the same thing about TNG in the 80s.

I knew people who didn't like it when it first came out but at least that show didn't crap all over continuity. Discovery is not Star Trek.
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Haven't seen Discovery and barely saw anything of Voyager, but otherwise seems okay enough. Granted, I expect Discovery to worse than TOS at the least, though.
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I agree with your ranking.
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Zeus posted...

I expect Discovery to worse than TOS at the least, though.

Not gonna lie, I recently watched TOS for the first time since I was a kid and it really has not aged well at all.

bah
TOS was a classic for the first 2 series and is the best
TNG was great and belongs in second place
DS9 was Babylon 5 at the wrong speed -though stil better than Enterprise
which was better than Voyager
the animated series should probably be last

I haven't seem Discovery yet
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Sure I Really don't have an issue with this.
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I agree with this list. I haven't seen Discovery and I might put Enterprise = TOS, but I can live with this. Important thing is that DS9 is over TNG and Voyager is dead last.
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Yea... No.

TNG > DS9 > TOS > VOY > ENT > having to read every Star Trek novel in one sitting > William Shatner's singing career > STD

Insert The Orville after TOS if you want.

The problem with STD is multifold. First off... CBS. This simple fact alone means that a LOT of people simply won't watch the series. That said... STD is just rife with problems from the get-go and plays out less like an episode of Star Trek and more like one of Star Trek fanfiction. I won't be surprised if the new lead beats the KM using basic tactics or something similar to show how great she is.
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Unbridled9 posted...

STD

At least be a bit more intelligent with your acronyms. Everyone knows that people who use STD instead of DIS are trolls.
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Well I can certainly agree on the TNG > TOS. I haven't watched the other iterations.
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Having seen very little of all of them and nothing of Discovery, I'm just going to go ahead and say Discovery is the worst one because everything I've read about it sounds just terrible. I'm sure Tarantino's Star Trek movie will still be worse though. I don't understand how Star Trek fell into this overly dark and gritty territory. I guess maybe it was Mass Effect, which by the second game just felt like a grimdark Star Trek.
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Holy fuck was ds9 a boring show.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Holy fuck was ds9 a boring show.

ew no
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Mead posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Holy fuck was ds9 a boring show.

ew no

Yummy yes
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Judgmenl posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

STD

At least be a bit more intelligent with your acronyms. Everyone knows that people who use STD instead of DIS are trolls.

I can't really help that it's a giggle-worthy acronym. That said, I kind of feel like it's a DIS to Star Trek in general.
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Voyager may be boring on average - but it has some of the most provocative episodes.
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Lokarin posted...

Voyager may be boring on average - but it has some of the most provocative episodes.

The first two seasons are stupid as shit and don't make sense.
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dragon504 posted...

Lokarin posted...

Voyager may be boring on average - but it has some of the most provocative episodes.

The first two seasons are stupid as shit and don't make sense.

Doesn't negate ma point
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animated series is best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEduR3iGhrQ

I had watched Voyager during its initial run on TV when I was younger. Got the DVDs for TNG and TOS in high school. Just watched DS9 and Enterprise for the first time about 2 years ago. Have seen nothing of Discovery.

Garak and Gul Dukat were fantastic characters. The Dominion wound up being a great antagonistic force. Most of the remaining cast was solid. It had more of an overarching story going on than any other Trek. It took a couple seasons to pick up, but that is a problem every series past TOS has.

I rank DS9 at the top.

TNG also has great characters and great stories. But while still greatly enjoyable, most of its issues are straight black/white problems, whereas DS9 was more shades of grey. Also, I enjoy overarching plots more than independent stories.

TNG is 2nd for me.

TOS is a classic, but has not aged very well. Still great fun for people that enjoy campiness, and still has fun stories to tell.

Enterprise on the other hand has some problems. Very bad first couple seasons, with its best episodes being straight ripoffs of previous series episodes. But it makes up for most of that with season 3 and 4 (except the ending).

I place TOS and ENT fairly evenly at 3rd.

Voyager is a mess. Fantastic premise that is completely wasted and irrelevant. They introduce great antagonistic races like the Viidians, but instead focus on stinkers like the Kazon. Voyager does have some of the best episodes in all of Trek sprinkled here and there imo, but there is so much garbage to trudge through to get there.

As a whole, I have to place it at the bottom.

TLDR:

DS9>TNG>TOS=ENT>VOY

SunWuKung420 posted...

Holy fuck was ds9 a boring show.

Did you stop watching in the first season or something?

Lokarin posted...

but it has some of the most provocative episodes.

Every series, but Discovery has "some of the most provocative episodes" and Discovery only doesn't because it hasn't been on for long enough.

AverageBoss posted...

Garak and Gul Dukat were fantastic characters.

Gul Dukat was the single best and most well-written villains in Star Trek history. Far more interesting than Khan. If they hadn't tried to sabotage his character in season 7 I might say he was one of the best villains in TV history.

AverageBoss posted...

Voyager is a mess. Fantastic premise that is completely wasted and irrelevant.

If you want to see where Ron Moore wanted to go with Voyager, check out BSG 2004. His vision for Voyager was amazing, but the Star Trek producers totally ruined it. At least we got the amazing BSG out of it.

Grendel posted...

If they hadn't tried to sabotage his character in season 7

Ya, not only that - they do the best and worst development in the SAME 2 minutes!

Spoilers to, well, very few people - When Dukat and Sisko are crashed on the planet and Dukat actually gives a passionate speech of the difficulties of his position.... and then IMMEDIATELY goes, IMA KILL THE EVERYONE!!!
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Grendel posted...

If you want to see where Ron Moore wanted to go with Voyager, check out BSG 2004. His vision for Voyager was amazing, but the Star Trek producers totally ruined it. At least we got the amazing BSG out of it.

Ya, I have heard quite a bit about stuff they wanted to do but could not due to producers, as well as stuff that was scrapped willingly. I remember hearing one instance of the former was they wanted The Year of Hell to be a whole (or at least most of a) season. Instead we just got a 2 parter, but some of the stuff they wanted to do for that wound up in the Xindi arc of Enterprise.

One of my favorites that I heard was scrapped, was the idea of a Cardassian vessel being thrown into the Delta Quadrant with the other two ships, along with Janeway possibly not making it through the pilot.

TNG > DS9 > Voyager > TOS > ENT > Discovery

to be fair I've seen like 80+% of TNG, and TOS, actually, maybe 60+% of DS9, like 40% of Voyager, like 4% of ENT, and 0% of Discovery

TOS is hard to rank because it's better in some ways than all of them, and worse in some ways than all of them

Grendel posted...

O'Brien and Garak > Picard and Data

I agree that Garak is great, but is there really enough of him to compare him to Picard and Data? isn't he a secondary character? O'Brien is ok.
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Lokarin posted...

dragon504 posted...

Lokarin posted...

Voyager may be boring on average - but it has some of the most provocative episodes.

The first two seasons are stupid as shit and don't make sense.

Doesn't negate ma point

It does not, still thought it worth mentioning it though. The first two seasons soured the rest of the viewing experience for me, although, a lot of episodes would've done that on their own.
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Ya, they were trying too hard to force the Kazon into some kind of meta-threat when they shoulda been more like TNG's Ferengi, where they only show up occasionally.
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Sisko was the best captain, but TNG had the best cast.

Voyager only makes sense if you view it through the lens of Janeway being bipolar with the EMH and Tuvok covering for her condition.

The rest of the series' are meh.
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Lokarin posted...

Ya, they were trying too hard to force the Kazon into some kind of meta-threat when they shoulda been more like TNG's Ferengi, where they only show up occasionally.

I could've gotten behind a recurring enemy, but the Kazon had like warp 5 ships or something like that and Voyager can go warp 9+. Afaik, the difference between warp speeds is exponential, so it'd make no sense for them to hang around for more than episode or two.
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dragon504 posted...

I could've gotten behind a recurring enemy, but the Kazon had like warp 5 ships or something like that and Voyager can go warp 9+. Afaik, the difference between warp speeds is exponential, so it'd make no sense for them to hang around for more than episode or two.

They were around for what, 2.5 seasons? Voyager should have traveled at least 2.5k light years in that period. We're supposed to believe that Kazon space is 2-3x larger than Federation space.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Sisko was the best captain

https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/picard-4.jpg

WhiskeyDisk posted...

if you view it through the lens of Janeway being bipolar with the EMH and Tuvok covering for her condition.

They weren't doing a very good job of it. One episode she'd castigate people for taking a life to save their own then the next she'd murder Tuvix to bring back Neelix and Tuvok and team up with the Hirojan to genocide a new, sentient species. Plinkett said it best, something to the effect of "wait, she's an admiral now? Shouldn't she be in a prison?"

Why all the hate against Janeway when Kirk was the self-centered piece of shit that breaks nearly every single Starfleet regulation and has a complete disregard for the Temporal Prime Directive.

There's a reason why Black Mirror portrays the captain as an egotistic asshole..

Its been a long time....
Janeway ftw.
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Grendel posted...

This is the correct breakdown. You can disagree if you want, but you're wrong if you do.

I love Trek, and most of your choices!

DS9 > TNG > TOS > VOY > DSC > ENT

Could never get into Enterprise but I tried so much. Discovery so far is entertaining but it's all cake frosting and no substance. Give me an episode with flute-playing Picard over anything they've churned out so far any day.

DS9 is king. I took some pictures with Kira, Dax, Rom, Martok, and Gowron a few years back and they hang on my living room wall still haha:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=663750702

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=663748089
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Grendel posted...

dragon504 posted...

tng > ds9

TNG and DS9 are character driven shows

Easily the best characters on DS9 and TNG are O'Brien and Garak vs Picard and Data

O'Brien and Garak > Picard and Data

therefore

DS9 > TNG

embarrassingly shallow explanation complete

I see your O'Brien and Garak and raise you one Quark and Odo.

Still, can't argue your choices are bad.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Holy fuck was ds9 a boring show.

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Grendel posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...
Sisko was the best captain

https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/picard-4.jpg

Q Shows up in the Enterprise, Picard tries to reason with him. This causes nothing but problems every single time.

Q shows up on DS9, Sisko marches right down to Quark's and punches Q in the face.

Picard was a good fit for the Federation flagship in most other ways. Sisko on the other hand was right where he needed to be on DS9. If the roles had been reversed, Picard would never have been able to bring the Romulans into the Dominion War to turn the tide.
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I'm so glad DS9 had so many things the other series didn't (Dominion is a great example, and I think they were the first to feature Marquis in not positive). Aside from the pilot flashback, no Borg. As you can see with Voyager they took from the TNG way way too much including reducing the Borg to a watered down joke of their former selves (or should I say 'self'?) Even a good concept as Species 8472 was eventually neutered.

Voyager had hands down the best premise of all the series. SO much potential. 'Caretaker' is actually pretty good too. But they should've had most of season 1 with mad infighting between the two crews. VOY also had the worst first officer in Chakotay.

BUT

I agree VOY had some stellar episodes! Tuvix, Equinox, Death Wish, Timeless, Living Witness, Drone, etc etc and that's just off the top of my head. Way too many duds mixed in between though. They tried a ratings grab with Seven and surprise surprise she turned out to be one of the show's only 3 good characters alongside the Doctor and Tuvok.
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LordClyde posted...

Why all the hate against Janeway when Kirk was the self-centered piece of shit that breaks nearly every single Starfleet regulation and has a complete disregard for the Temporal Prime Directive.

That is what makes a Captain interesting. I know this is an unpopular opinion but I thought Picard was on the whole boring because every single decision he made boiled down to "The Prime Directive tells me to do this." It made a lot more sense for him to be an Admiral rather then a Captain, Captains have to bend the rules and make the tough decisions from time to time.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Sisko marches right down to Quark's and punches Q in the face.

Which accomplished absolutely nothing. Hell later on Q insults them for being so slow about figuring out the problem and says Picard would have figured it out already. An omnipotent being admits Picard is better.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Picard was a good fit for the Federation flagship in most other ways. Sisko on the other hand was right where he needed to be on DS9. If the roles had been reversed, Picard would never have been able to bring the Romulans into the Dominion War to turn the tide.

And if Sisko was the Enterprise encountering dozens of new species he would have started 17 new wars with his quick temper and impulsivity.

Black_Crusher posted...

I see your O'Brien and Garak and raise you one Quark and Odo.

Quark and Odo are a step down from O'Brien and Garak imo, but like you said I can't fault you for them because they're both great characters.

Black_Crusher posted...

I agree VOY had some stellar episodes! Tuvix, Equinox, Death Wish, Timeless, Living Witness, Drone, etc etc and that's just off the top of my head. Way too many duds mixed in between though. They tried a ratings grab with Seven and surprise surprise she turned out to be one of the show's only 3 good characters alongside the Doctor and Tuvok.

I love your post because it filters out all of the people who don't know Star Trek. 100% Agree with everything you said lol.
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