Poll of the Day > Woman gets upset 'emotional' support Peacock isn't let on Flight...

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Story:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/woman-denied-emotional-support-peacock-on-united-flight/ar-BBIti2U?ocid=spartandhp

Pic of said Peacock:

lmao
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Why is emotional in the quoted
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Fair; next.

Emotional support animals are not the same as service animals. Any asshole can claim their pet is an emotional support animal.

True service animals are highly trained and certified. People with service animals carry documentation with them at all times so the animals can go places theyre typically not allowed.
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This woman must be taking the piss. Surely.

Also, bless Delta for being the first airline to finally have the stones to stand up to this nonsense with their crackdown (for however ridiculous the peacock is, the real issue is people flagrantly abusing the "emotional support animal" system to let their dogs ride in the cabin).
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my cat is an emotional support cat for me. but I have no proof of that from the government. also he would be terrified on a plane. sadly I can't take everywhere I go. that might be part of the reason why I love to be home so much.

Maybe she shoulda got a Hoatzin instead
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Are you telling me I can't bring my emotional support anaconda on a plane?

fettster777 posted...

Are you telling me I can't bring my emotional support anaconda on a plane?

I think muthafucking snakes are on the muthafucking no fly list by now.

Damnit, I didn't realize you could even designate a peacock as an emotional support animal. All the years I could have had a peacock hang out with me everywhere gone!
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People have to be snowflakes with support animals now? Can't just get a damn normal ass support animal?
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Far-Queue posted...

Fair; next.

Emotional support animals are not the same as service animals. Any asshole can claim their pet is an emotional support animal.

True service animals are highly trained and certified. People with service animals carry documentation with them at all times so the animals can go places theyre typically not allowed.

Wrong wrong wrong

Literally all you have to do is say your pet is a service animal and they are not allowed to ask you for paperwork, or for what disability you need the animal. Anything else and you are opening yourself up to an ADA lawsuit

The only 2 exceptions to this that I am aware of are airports and federal centers

And, sadly, I don't see that lasting because of how abused the system has been. I doubt it'll end up being more than a card that you can keep in a wallet, which probably won't include details on the disability, but given the widespread abuse of that "you can't ask any further questions after 'it's my service animal'" policy, and the potential consequences of letting untrained animals into public spaces, I don't see it running unchecked much longer.
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Forget the peacock you coulda had a Falcon!!
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That's discrimination against people who need emotional support animals. I face this kind of backlash nearly everywhere I go with my support wolverine.
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With the way the picture is taken, at a glance, it looked like a giant peacock lmao

Noop_Noop posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Fair; next.

Emotional support animals are not the same as service animals. Any asshole can claim their pet is an emotional support animal.

True service animals are highly trained and certified. People with service animals carry documentation with them at all times so the animals can go places theyre typically not allowed.

Wrong wrong wrong

Literally all you have to do is say your pet is a service animal and they are not allowed to ask you for paperwork, or for what disability you need the animal. Anything else and you are opening yourself up to an ADA lawsuit

The only 2 exceptions to this that I am aware of are airports and federal centers

Wrong wrong wrong

My brother has a service dog and carries documentation with him. Businesses and what not most certainly can ask if your animal is a service animal, they just cant insist you provide proof. If the disabled person doesnt have their paperwork, the business just has to take them at their word.
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From what I've heard about peacocks, aren't they actually kinda the antithesis of emotional support?

HillChange posted...

From what I've heard about peacocks, aren't they actually kinda the antithesis of emotional support?

No they're great listeners

As long as my support honey badger is still allowed, I'm happy.
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Far-Queue posted...

Businesses and what not most certainly can ask if your animal is a service animal, they just cant insist you provide proof.

The two big questions that are permitted are "Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability" and "What task has the animal been trained to perform". Also worth noting that the ADA is subject to "reasonable accommodation" clauses, which state that while the business must make reasonable attempts to accommodate a service animal, they are not required to do so if it would cause the business undue hardship or threaten the safety of others present (for instance, service dogs may or may not be allowed on ambulances due to the restricted space).

Also also, to the best of my knowledge dogs are the only animals that can be trained as true service animals. While anything can be an "emotional support animal", those are not covered by the ADA.

Noop_Noop posted...

The only 2 exceptions to this that I am aware of are airports and federal centers

Religious centres (churches, mosques, etc.) are also exempt, as are any businesses that can reasonably claim that the presence of an animal would fundamentally disrupt or alter their business (parts of zoos, for instance).
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so when i said

"Literally all you have to do is say your pet is a service animal and they are not allowed to ask you for paperwork, or for what disability you need the animal."

you said i was wrong and proceeded to say

If the disabled person doesnt have their paperwork, the business just has to take them at their word.

which is more or less exactly what i told you dingus
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Troll_Police_ posted...

so when i said

"Literally all you have to do is say your pet is a service animal and they are not allowed to ask you for paperwork, or for what disability you need the animal."

you said i was wrong and proceeded to say

If the disabled person doesnt have their paperwork, the business just has to take them at their word.

which is more or less exactly what i told you dingus

I was more saying wrong wrong wrong because you were trying to correct me when I was in fact right in my first post. Service dogs do get certified and businesses have every right to ask for papers, they just cant demand them.
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dedbus posted...

fettster777 posted...

Are you telling me I can't bring my emotional support anaconda on a plane?

I think muthafucking snakes are on the muthafucking no fly list by now.

Probably because of that movie
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Far-Queue posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

so when i said

"Literally all you have to do is say your pet is a service animal and they are not allowed to ask you for paperwork, or for what disability you need the animal."

you said i was wrong and proceeded to say

If the disabled person doesnt have their paperwork, the business just has to take them at their word.

which is more or less exactly what i told you dingus

I was more saying wrong wrong wrong because you were trying to correct me when I was in fact right in my first post. Service dogs do get certified and businesses have every right to ask for papers, they just cant demand them.

no, what you said was

People with service animals carry documentation with them at all times so the animals can go places theyre typically not allowed.

and that is factually wrong. they do not need that paperwork to let their dogs go places they are typically not allowed because (with very few exceptions) no business is allowed to demand it.
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to the best of my knowledge dogs are the only animals that can be trained as true service animals

I've learnt recently that miniature horses are the only other exception, which surprised me (never seen one out there, but supposedly they're becoming more popular as they live longer or something)

and businesses have every right to ask for papers, they just cant demand them.

Holy pedantic batman. If the only thing a business can do is say "Can I see the dog's papers please?", the person says "NOPE", and the business can only say "All right, career on sir/mam!", then they might as well not be allowed to ask.

adjl posted...

And, sadly, I don't see that lasting because of how abused the system has been. I doubt it'll end up being more than a card that you can keep in a wallet, which probably won't include details on the disability, but given the widespread abuse of that "you can't ask any further questions after 'it's my service animal'" policy, and the potential consequences of letting untrained animals into public spaces, I don't see it running unchecked much longer.

I think you underestimate the insanity that people are willing to put with in the name of "sensitivity"

darkknight109 posted...

The two big questions that are permitted are "Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability" and "What task has the animal been trained to perform". Also worth noting that the ADA is subject to "reasonable accommodation" clauses, which state that while the business must make reasonable attempts to accommodate a service animal, they are not required to do so if it would cause the business undue hardship or threaten the safety of others present (for instance, service dogs may or may not be allowed on ambulances due to the restricted space).

So my service alligator might not be able to go into Wal-Mart? #PeopleOfWalmart
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darkknight109 posted...

This woman must be taking the piss. Surely.

Also, bless Delta for being the first airline to finally have the stones to stand up to this nonsense with their crackdown (for however ridiculous the peacock is, the real issue is people flagrantly abusing the "emotional support animal" system to let their dogs ride in the cabin).

As far as I know, it doesn't have to be a service animal to ride in the cabin if it's small enough. Bigger animals, yeah. But smaller animal that can fit in a carrier can also ride in the cabin. I remember because I was going to do that with my pup...
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man i cant wait to g on trips with my support cerebrus

it "supports" me by killing all the children who wont shut the fuck up in public places.

Good. I'm glad they're cracking down on the bozos who are faking having service animals and making it harder for people who legitimately need them to take them into public places.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

People have to be snowflakes with support animals now? Can't just get a damn normal ass support animal?

Sorry. I don't think Normal Asses count as a disability. ;)
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darkknight109 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Businesses and what not most certainly can ask if your animal is a service animal, they just cant insist you provide proof.

The two big questions that are permitted are "Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability" and "What task has the animal been trained to perform". Also worth noting that the ADA is subject to "reasonable accommodation" clauses, which state that while the business must make reasonable attempts to accommodate a service animal, they are not required to do so if it would cause the business undue hardship or threaten the safety of others present (for instance, service dogs may or may not be allowed on ambulances due to the restricted space).

Also also, to the best of my knowledge dogs are the only animals that can be trained as true service animals. While anything can be an "emotional support animal", those are not covered by the ADA.

Noop_Noop posted...

The only 2 exceptions to this that I am aware of are airports and federal centers

Religious centres (churches, mosques, etc.) are also exempt, as are any businesses that can reasonably claim that the presence of an animal would fundamentally disrupt or alter their business (parts of zoos, for instance).

Ponies, cats and pigs can all be trained and certified service animals.

ASlaveObeys posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Businesses and what not most certainly can ask if your animal is a service animal, they just cant insist you provide proof.

The two big questions that are permitted are "Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability" and "What task has the animal been trained to perform". Also worth noting that the ADA is subject to "reasonable accommodation" clauses, which state that while the business must make reasonable attempts to accommodate a service animal, they are not required to do so if it would cause the business undue hardship or threaten the safety of others present (for instance, service dogs may or may not be allowed on ambulances due to the restricted space).

Also also, to the best of my knowledge dogs are the only animals that can be trained as true service animals. While anything can be an "emotional support animal", those are not covered by the ADA.

Noop_Noop posted...

The only 2 exceptions to this that I am aware of are airports and federal centers

Religious centres (churches, mosques, etc.) are also exempt, as are any businesses that can reasonably claim that the presence of an animal would fundamentally disrupt or alter their business (parts of zoos, for instance).

Ponies, cats and pigs can all be trained and certified service animals.

What about chickens?

pionear posted...

What about chickens?

They keep you grounded when sailing an unfamiliar sea.


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