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Dustin1280 01/31/18 10:58:31 PM #52:	Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents. If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more? Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents. like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible. To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing? --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895217202] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents.</quote> If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more?</quote> Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents.</quote> like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible.</quote> To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 10:59:21 PM #53:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Dustin1280 posted... 1. Vegans don't eat eggs, moot point. 2. Cookies are junk food. Things like red meat and eggs are not... You mentioned meat, not eggs. And red meat actually kind of is, it's a suspected carcinogen after all. Processed meats are known carcinogens as well http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895217249] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote> 1. Vegans don't eat eggs, moot point. 2. Cookies are junk food. Things like red meat and eggs are not...</quote> You mentioned meat, not eggs. And red meat actually kind of is, it's a suspected carcinogen after all.</quote> Processed meats are known carcinogens as well http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 01/31/18 10:59:29 PM #54:	Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents. If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more? Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents. like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible. To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing? This is false equivalence. The idea that a vegan parent should be forced to buy and cook meat for THEIR children because YOU said so is ridiculous. --- Loading... <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:895217257] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents.</quote> If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more?</quote> Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents.</quote> like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible.</quote> To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing?</quote> This is false equivalence. The idea that a vegan parent should be forced to buy and cook meat for THEIR children because YOU said so is ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 10:59:55 PM #55:	Dustin1280 posted... To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing? sexual orientation isn't a choice--and it isn't an act. eating meat (and the composition of your diet as a broader concept) is 100% a choice and an act. come on, really? --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895217281] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing?</quote> sexual orientation isn't a choice--and it isn't an act. eating meat (and the composition of your diet as a broader concept) is 100% a choice and an act. come on, really?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:00:52 PM #56:	Pepys Monster posted... Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents. If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more? Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents. like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible. To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing? This is false equivalence. The idea that a vegan parent should be forced to buy and cook meat for THEIR children because YOU said so is ridiculous. EDIT: okay admittedly, the religion thing was a bit much. And if theirs kid is out with friends and the parents tell them they aren't allowed to eat meat or eggs at a friends house? Is that also okay? --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895217333] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents.</quote> If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more?</quote> Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents.</quote> like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible.</quote> To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing?</quote> This is false equivalence. The idea that a vegan parent should be forced to buy and cook meat for THEIR children because YOU said so is ridiculous.</quote> EDIT: okay admittedly, the religion thing was a bit much. And if theirs kid is out with friends and the parents tell them they aren't allowed to eat meat or eggs at a friends house? Is that also okay?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:02:34 PM #57:	Dustin1280 posted... Pepys Monster posted... Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents. If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more? Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents. like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible. To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing? This is false equivalence. The idea that a vegan parent should be forced to buy and cook meat for THEIR children because YOU said so is ridiculous. And if theirs kid is out with friends and the parents tell them they aren't allowed to eat meat or eggs at a friends house? Is that also okay? yes they are the fucking PARENTS If the kid is a strict veg and eats meat they will get sick. That is biology. you are assuming most vegetarians want to eat meat--the ones I know raised veg never have. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895217411] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me tell you a quick story as an example: I was a chipotle and saw a family of 4. The younger girl (around 8 or so) said she wanted to try the taco meat. The parents immediately told her that she is not allowed to eat the taco meat and she knows that, then they ordered her the sofritas even though she didn't want it. THAT pissed me off. I honestly had to bite my tongue to prevent me from saying something to those parents.</quote> If they're vegans for ethical reasons, why would they a) give money for products that contribute to something they don't believe in and b) encourage their children to partake and possibly want to contribute more?</quote> Because, their children shouldn't be shoehorned into the believes of their parents.</quote> like believing you need to eat meat to be healthy? or believing it is ethical to kill other sentient beings for the pleasure of their flesh? most parents will not allow their children to commit unethical acts when possible.</quote> To certain groups of Christians, being gay is a sin and means you are going to hell. Is it okay for them to try to pray the gay out of their child simply because they BELIEVE such a thing?</quote> This is false equivalence. The idea that a vegan parent should be forced to buy and cook meat for THEIR children because YOU said so is ridiculous.</quote> And if theirs kid is out with friends and the parents tell them they aren't allowed to eat meat or eggs at a friends house? Is that also okay?</quote> yes they are the fucking PARENTS If the kid is a strict veg and eats meat they will get sick. That is biology. you are assuming most vegetarians want to eat meat--the ones I know raised veg never have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:07:11 PM #58:	I just do not think forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895217627] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I just do not think forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KrustyTheClown 01/31/18 11:07:15 PM #59:	Volkswagen_Bros posted... Step up on your main alt. JonJones is my only other account. Not that I need to take measures to shield myself from you. I'm not a prepubescent girl. --- 1, 2, 3, and to the 4. <cite>KrustyTheClown posted [p:895217632] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Volkswagen_Bros posted...</cite> <quote>Step up on your main alt.</quote> JonJones is my only other account. Not that I need to take measures to shield myself from you. I'm not a prepubescent girl.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:07:56 PM #60:	Dustin1280 posted... I just do not like the idea of forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... but it;s nutritionally sound. vegetarian diets are all around healthier by so many studies. There is no harm from disallowing a few things from a diet. if the kids are getting all they need from their food please explain what the harm is. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895217656] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>I just do not like the idea of forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing...</quote> but it;s nutritionally sound. vegetarian diets are all around healthier by so many studies. There is no harm from disallowing a few things from a diet. if the kids are getting all they need from their food please explain what the harm is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:09:55 PM #61:	Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... I just do not like the idea of forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... but it;s nutritionally sound. vegetarian diets are all around healthier by so many studies. There is no harm from disallowing a few things from a diet. if the kids are getting all they need from their food please explain what the harm is. The risk involved. If said parents do not have a STRICT diet plan making absolutely sure the child is getting ALL the nutrients they need, that child will not grow up healthy. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/vegan-children-benefit-risk-expert-a7961906.html --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895217752] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>I just do not like the idea of forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing...</quote> but it;s nutritionally sound. vegetarian diets are all around healthier by so many studies. There is no harm from disallowing a few things from a diet. if the kids are getting all they need from their food please explain what the harm is.</quote> The risk involved. If said parents do not have a STRICT diet plan making absolutely sure the child is getting ALL the nutrients they need, that child will not grow up healthy. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/vegan-children-benefit-risk-expert-a7961906.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 11:10:35 PM #62:	Dustin1280 posted... If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan. Parents should be doing that regardless of their diet. Lol @ your outrage about vegan parents. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895217790] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan.</quote> Parents should be doing that regardless of their diet. Lol @ your outrage about vegan parents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 01/31/18 11:10:46 PM #63:	Dustin1280 posted... I just do not think forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan. lol, you're some guy on GameFAQs whose diet probably consists of 50% flaming hot Cheetos. I'm sure vegan parents are going to give their children healthier meals than you eat. --- Loading... <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:895217801] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>I just do not think forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan.</quote> lol, you're some guy on GameFAQs whose diet probably consists of 50% flaming hot Cheetos. I'm sure vegan parents are going to give their children healthier meals than you eat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:12:05 PM #64:	Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan. Parents should be doing that regardless of their diet. Lol @ your outrage about vegan parents. Veganism GREATLY reduces the options that are available to give their children a proper diet, and if the parents do not take EXTRA care in planning the diet, it will lead to health problems. It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895217853] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If vegan parents plan to raise their children as vegan, they better research every damn thing they can about it and have a STRICT diet plan.</quote> Parents should be doing that regardless of their diet. Lol @ your outrage about vegan parents.</quote> Veganism GREATLY reduces the options that are available to give their children a proper diet, and if the parents do not take EXTRA care in planning the diet, it will lead to health problems. It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:15:45 PM #65:	Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... I just do not like the idea of forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing... but it;s nutritionally sound. vegetarian diets are all around healthier by so many studies. There is no harm from disallowing a few things from a diet. if the kids are getting all they need from their food please explain what the harm is. The risk involved. If said parents do not have a STRICT diet plan making absolutely sure the child is getting ALL the nutrients they need, that child will not grow up healthy. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/vegan-children-benefit-risk-expert-a7961906.html that's true whether or not the diet includes animal products... breastmilk is vegan and after children are weaned to solids, they start with vegan things. babies don't eat meat or milk from other animal species. you just don't start them on that path. that is the normal weaning process, just not branching into animal products. there are countless obese children eating omnivorous diets that simultaneously suffer from malnutrition! From your own source Vegan diets also present one opportunity for families to teach children about nutrition and healthy eating principles from an early age, she said, insisting that vegan diets can be nutritionally complete as long as careful planning is carried out. Consider sources as well as the amount of protein, carbohydrates (preferably not too high in fibre), and of course enough fat to ensure that children receive adequate calories to grow. As a dietitian I cannot see any reason why my children could not follow a vegan diet. When well planned, vegan diets can be nutritionally complete offering health benefits, she said. This is so key especially in a place like America where nearly 70% of the population is overweight or obese, and most people fail to eat enough fresh produce in a day. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895218039] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>I just do not like the idea of forcing viewpoints that could potentially cause children harm as a good thing...</quote> but it;s nutritionally sound. vegetarian diets are all around healthier by so many studies. There is no harm from disallowing a few things from a diet. if the kids are getting all they need from their food please explain what the harm is.</quote> The risk involved. If said parents do not have a STRICT diet plan making absolutely sure the child is getting ALL the nutrients they need, that child will not grow up healthy. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/vegan-children-benefit-risk-expert-a7961906.html</quote> that's true whether or not the diet includes animal products... breastmilk is vegan and after children are weaned to solids, they start with vegan things. babies don't eat meat or milk from other animal species. you just don't start them on that path. that is the normal weaning process, just not branching into animal products. there are countless obese children eating omnivorous diets that simultaneously suffer from malnutrition! From your own source <quote>Vegan diets also present one opportunity for families to teach children about nutrition and healthy eating principles from an early age, she said, insisting that vegan diets can be nutritionally complete as long as careful planning is carried out. Consider sources as well as the amount of protein, carbohydrates (preferably not too high in fibre), and of course enough fat to ensure that children receive adequate calories to grow. As a dietitian I cannot see any reason why my children could not follow a vegan diet. When well planned, vegan diets can be nutritionally complete offering health benefits, she said. </quote> This is so key especially in a place like America where nearly 70% of the population is overweight or obese, and most people fail to eat enough fresh produce in a day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:16:48 PM #66:	It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. Noticed I never said anything about vegetarians in this topic, it's been entirely related to veganism. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895218093] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. Noticed I never said anything about vegetarians in this topic, it's been entirely related to veganism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:17:43 PM #67:	Dustin1280 posted... Veganism GREATLY reduces the options that are available to give their children a proper diet, and if the parents do not take EXTRA care in planning the diet, it will lead to health problems. you eliminate essentially 5 things to go vegan Dairy Eggs Dead Animals Things Made From Dead Animals Honey that is no real limitation. Food options are more varied than ever. eating those 5 things does not guarantee you are nutritionally covered. Nor does it guarantee you have a healthy diet. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895218131] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Veganism GREATLY reduces the options that are available to give their children a proper diet, and if the parents do not take EXTRA care in planning the diet, it will lead to health problems.</quote> you eliminate essentially 5 things to go vegan Dairy Eggs Dead Animals Things Made From Dead Animals Honey that is no real limitation. Food options are more varied than ever. eating those 5 things does not guarantee you are nutritionally covered. Nor does it guarantee you have a healthy diet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:18:51 PM #68:	Dustin1280 posted... It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. Noticed I never said anything about vegetarians in this topic, it's been entirely related to veganism. before I stopped eating meat I had totally stopped dairy for years (lactose intolerance is nature's way of saying no to dairy), and rarely ate eggs. What do i miss most? honey. i sure don't need honey to be healthy. the only things vegans don't eat that vegetarians do are eggs, dairy, and honey. And not all vegetarians have all of those things. only lacto-ovo vegetarians do. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895218190] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. Noticed I never said anything about vegetarians in this topic, it's been entirely related to veganism.</quote> before I stopped eating meat I had totally stopped dairy for years (lactose intolerance is nature's way of saying no to dairy), and rarely ate eggs. What do i miss most? honey. i sure don't need honey to be healthy. the only things vegans don't eat that vegetarians do are eggs, dairy, and honey. And not all vegetarians have all of those things. only lacto-ovo vegetarians do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:22:25 PM #69:	Doctor Foxx posted... the only things vegans don't eat that vegetarians do are eggs, dairy, and honey. And not all vegetarians have all of those things. only lacto-ovo vegetarians do. You are a vegan aren't you? That is objectively wrong. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-3669778/The-foods-thought-vegetarian-actually-contain-animal-products.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3608471/Ten-everyday-items-containing-secret-meat-products-revealed.html http://www.businessinsider.com/15-surprising-things-that-contain-animal-products-2014-3 https://www.thespruce.com/sneaky-non-vegan-ingredients-3371739 http://www.veganfoodandliving.com/food-ingredients-avoid-vegan-diet/ Do you also prevent your children from playing with crayons? Those are made from animal products... --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895218355] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>the only things vegans don't eat that vegetarians do are eggs, dairy, and honey. And not all vegetarians have all of those things. only lacto-ovo vegetarians do.</quote> You are a vegan aren't you? That is objectively wrong. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-3669778/The-foods-thought-vegetarian-actually-contain-animal-products.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3608471/Ten-everyday-items-containing-secret-meat-products-revealed.html http://www.businessinsider.com/15-surprising-things-that-contain-animal-products-2014-3 https://www.thespruce.com/sneaky-non-vegan-ingredients-3371739 http://www.veganfoodandliving.com/food-ingredients-avoid-vegan-diet/ Do you also prevent your children from playing with crayons? Those are made from animal products...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 01/31/18 11:22:40 PM #70:	Hey Foxx, can you explain a couple things to me How is breastmilk vegan Why is honey unethical Also I don't get why vegan kids in particular would be lacking iodine since that's in salt --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895218366] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Hey Foxx, can you explain a couple things to me How is breastmilk vegan Why is honey unethical Also I don't get why vegan kids in particular would be lacking iodine since that's in salt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:23:15 PM #71:	Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... the only things vegans don't eat that vegetarians do are eggs, dairy, and honey. And not all vegetarians have all of those things. only lacto-ovo vegetarians do. You are a vegan aren't you? That is objectively wrong. What else do vegans not eat that vegetarians will? Yes I am vegan --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895218396] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>the only things vegans don't eat that vegetarians do are eggs, dairy, and honey. And not all vegetarians have all of those things. only lacto-ovo vegetarians do.</quote> You are a vegan aren't you? That is objectively wrong.</quote> What else do vegans not eat that vegetarians will? Yes I am vegan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:28:02 PM #72:	You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895218635] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 11:31:42 PM #73:	Dustin1280 posted... You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them. I was going to ask if you eat crayons but judging by some of the stuff you've said here, that might not be far off. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895218797] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them.</quote> I was going to ask if you eat crayons but judging by some of the stuff you've said here, that might not be far off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:32:30 PM #74:	Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them. I was going to ask if you eat crayons but judging by some of the stuff you've said here, that might not be far off. If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. Clearly an ethical vegan wouldn't even want to risk such an occurrence right? --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895218825] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them.</quote> I was going to ask if you eat crayons but judging by some of the stuff you've said here, that might not be far off.</quote> If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. Clearly an ethical vegan wouldn't even want to risk such an occurrence right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:33:07 PM #75:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Hey Foxx, can you explain a couple things to me How is breastmilk vegan Why is honey unethical Also I don't get why vegan kids in particular would be lacking iodine since that's in salt Damn i wrote this up and it deleted. Here goes again. Breast milk is milk produced in the body of a mother for her own child. That is provided by the mother to the child with consent. Milk from other animals is stolen, and not made to be consumed by humans at all. Honey is unethical for that reason as well: stolen goods. Commercial beekeepers feed their bees corn syrup or other sugar syrups, which makes bees unwell, which contributes to sickly collapsing hives. Monoculture areas where bees are deployed hurt the bees. Beekeepers kill bees when collecting honey and it is much worse in large operations. There are tons of bee fragments in honey until it's filtered. My hypothesis: himalayan / sea salts are really popular with trendy cooks. See also: vegans. These lack iodine. There's not as much regular dietary iodine. But thankfully you can get it from seaweed really easily. Furikake to the rescue! --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895218863] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Hey Foxx, can you explain a couple things to me How is breastmilk vegan Why is honey unethical Also I don't get why vegan kids in particular would be lacking iodine since that's in salt</quote> Damn i wrote this up and it deleted. Here goes again. Breast milk is milk produced in the body of a mother for her own child. That is provided by the mother to the child with consent. Milk from other animals is stolen, and not made to be consumed by humans at all. Honey is unethical for that reason as well: stolen goods. Commercial beekeepers feed their bees corn syrup or other sugar syrups, which makes bees unwell, which contributes to sickly collapsing hives. Monoculture areas where bees are deployed hurt the bees. Beekeepers kill bees when collecting honey and it is much worse in large operations. There are tons of bee fragments in honey until it's filtered. My hypothesis: himalayan / sea salts are really popular with trendy cooks. See also: vegans. These lack iodine. There's not as much regular dietary iodine. But thankfully you can get it from seaweed really easily. Furikake to the rescue!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:34:10 PM #76:	Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895218914] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it.</quote> you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:35:25 PM #77:	Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. By the way, you better pick the crayon carefully, because if it is made from bee's wax that is also out... Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895218964] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it.</quote> you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything </quote> Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. By the way, you better pick the crayon carefully, because if it is made from bee's wax that is also out... Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:36:53 PM #78:	Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet. yes. why would you have to ask? you buy vegan products as a vegan. If you just abstain from eating animal products but don't care about the ethics, you are plant-based and not vegan. Three things: dairy, eggs, honey. Point out anything more than that. There isn't anything. Dustin1280 posted... You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them. these things are not food and I am well aware, buddy. Don't tell me how aware of this shit I am. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895219036] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it.</quote> you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything </quote> Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet.</quote> yes. why would you have to ask? you buy vegan products as a vegan. If you just abstain from eating animal products but don't care about the ethics, you are plant-based and not vegan. Three things: dairy, eggs, honey. Point out anything more than that. There isn't anything. <cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>You claim to be vegan and yet you didn't seem to realize how many things actually have animal products in them.</quote> these things are not food and I am well aware, buddy. Don't tell me how aware of this shit I am.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:37:40 PM #79:	Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet. yes. why would you have to ask? you buy vegan products as a vegan. If you just abstain from eating animal products but don't care about the ethics, you are plant-based and not vegan. Three things: dairy, eggs, honey. Point out anything more than that. There isn't anything. I did, I gave you a huge list of ingredients and various foods that AREN'T those things which you seemed to ignore... Those ingredients alone amount to a lot more then dairy, eggs, and honey. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895219079] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it.</quote> you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything </quote> Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet.</quote> yes. why would you have to ask? you buy vegan products as a vegan. If you just abstain from eating animal products but don't care about the ethics, you are plant-based and not vegan. Three things: dairy, eggs, honey. Point out anything more than that. There isn't anything.</quote> I did, I gave you a huge list of ingredients and various foods that AREN'T those things which you seemed to ignore... Those ingredients alone amount to a lot more then dairy, eggs, and honey.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 11:38:28 PM #80:	Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Yes, which is precisely why many ethical vegans very adamantly check labels and sources for everything they consume, food or not. Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. You were so desperate to get to your "AHA! GOTCHA!" moment that you somehow missed that Foxx was very clearly talking about food when you started bringing up inedible objects. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895219124] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products?</quote> Yes, which is precisely why many ethical vegans very adamantly check labels and sources for everything they consume, food or not. <quote>Eating crayons has nothing to do with it.</quote> You were so desperate to get to your "AHA! GOTCHA!" moment that you somehow missed that Foxx was very clearly talking about food when you started bringing up inedible objects.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:39:13 PM #81:	Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it. you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet. yes. why would you have to ask? you buy vegan products as a vegan. If you just abstain from eating animal products but don't care about the ethics, you are plant-based and not vegan. Three things: dairy, eggs, honey. Point out anything more than that. There isn't anything. I did, I gave you a huge list of ingredients and various foods that AREN'T those things which you seemed to ignore... where? the list you provided was actually a list of things people assumed were vegetarian but aren't. vegetarians also cannot eat animal fats, animal parts, gelatin, etc. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895219165] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. But for argument sake, what if you child decided to chew or suck on crayon. They are now eating something with animal products in it.</quote> you know there are vegan crayons right? and all that school glue is full of dead animals. also vegan glue. Amazing how these people have innovated to not need dead animals for everything </quote> Do you buy vegan crayons then, as an ethical vegan that seems to be the only proper solution. Way to ignore the massive list of foods that separate a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet.</quote> yes. why would you have to ask? you buy vegan products as a vegan. If you just abstain from eating animal products but don't care about the ethics, you are plant-based and not vegan. Three things: dairy, eggs, honey. Point out anything more than that. There isn't anything.</quote> I did, I gave you a huge list of ingredients and various foods that AREN'T those things which you seemed to ignore...</quote> where? the list you provided was actually a list of things people assumed were vegetarian but aren't. vegetarians also cannot eat animal fats, animal parts, gelatin, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 01/31/18 11:39:53 PM #82:	Millennials posted... Dustin1280 posted... If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products? Yes, which is precisely why many ethical vegans very adamantly check labels and sources for everything they consume, food or not. Eating crayons has nothing to do with it. You were so desperate to get to your "AHA! GOTCHA!" moment that you somehow missed that Foxx was very clearly talking about food when you started bringing up inedible objects. You are losing your argument... and normal crayons are directly related to veganism. Veganism isn't just a diet it's an entire lifestyle. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895219198] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone is an "ethical" vegan. Would it stand to reason that they would not want their children using something that was made from animal products?</quote> Yes, which is precisely why many ethical vegans very adamantly check labels and sources for everything they consume, food or not. <quote>Eating crayons has nothing to do with it.</quote> You were so desperate to get to your "AHA! GOTCHA!" moment that you somehow missed that Foxx was very clearly talking about food when you started bringing up inedible objects.</quote> You are losing your argument... and normal crayons are directly related to veganism. Veganism isn't just a diet it's an entire lifestyle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:40:32 PM #83:	Dustin1280 posted... You are losing your argument... and normal crayons are directly related to veganism. Veganism isn't just a diet it's an entire lifestyle. you said diet first man. Everything else you listed containing animal parts is not vegetarian. Vegetarians can. not. eat. those. things. Dustin1280 posted... Veganism GREATLY reduces the options that are available to give their children a proper diet, and if the parents do not take EXTRA care in planning the diet, it will lead to health problems. Oh look food. not what's in crayons or toothpaste or on plastic bags. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895219239] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>You are losing your argument... and normal crayons are directly related to veganism. Veganism isn't just a diet it's an entire lifestyle.</quote> you said diet first man. Everything else you listed containing animal parts is not vegetarian. Vegetarians can. not. eat. those. things. <cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Veganism GREATLY reduces the options that are available to give their children a proper diet, and if the parents do not take EXTRA care in planning the diet, it will lead to health problems.</quote> Oh look food. not what's in crayons or toothpaste or on plastic bags. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 11:41:37 PM #84:	Dustin1280 posted... You are losing your argument... and normal crayons are directly related to veganism. Veganism isn't just a diet it's an entire lifestyle. And you're being entirely too obvious at this point. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895219302] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>You are losing your argument... and normal crayons are directly related to veganism. Veganism isn't just a diet it's an entire lifestyle.</quote> And you're being entirely too obvious at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 11:47:33 PM #85:	@Giblet_Enjoyer Here's a good post on honey from a reddit post: Ok, beekeeper, non-vegan here. I've got no horse in the vegan race, but I do know my bees and here is the sad truth: beekeeping is responsible for the decline of world-wide bee population for the last (roughly) 150 years, and for the precipitous decline since 1947. Beekeeping as it has been done since the widespread adoption of the Langstroth hive has been bad for bees. This is mostly because the hive design has movable frames and opens from the top. These innovations led to highly interventionist beekeeping, and copious fucking with the bees. The movable frame allows the beekeeper to easily remove, inspect, replace, and swap comb, and led to migratory beekeeping. Bees are now trucked by the tens of thousands of hives across the country with the seasons for the pollination business (which is a bigger than the honey business). The results is that diseases and bee pests move too. The biggest colony killer in the US right now is the Varroa mite, introduced from Asia by humans in 1988, and spread by humans to hives across the country. The opening from the top destroys the bees' carefully maintained nestduftwarmebingdung, the nest atmosphere. Bees maintain a anti-microbial sauna inside the hive, at a contant tempurature with a complex scent. They can go into fever-mode, raising the temp to kill off infection. The scent helps maintain communication and defenses. Opening the hive destroys the atmosphere. It takes the bees days to reestablish, and is a costly expense of energy they need for foraging, building, and preparing for winter. This weakens the bees, compromising their immune system and leaving them susceptible to infection and invaders. Then there's honey. Bees spend all season making honey stores so that they can survive the winter. The beekeeper comes along and takes it, then feeds the bees sugar syrup in the winter. This also weakens the bees. Honey is a complex, nutritious bee food. Sugar water is a simple, inadequate food. This is something like you farming all season and stocking up for the winter. You've canned and preserved your veg, and filled your freezer with meat, ready for the hard, unproductive winter. Then someone comes along, takes all your food, and replaces it with Twinkies. You'll survive the winter on Twinkies, but you'll be in pretty bad health come spring. (Although, like the bees with sugar, you'll happily eat the Twinkies, because, yum.) In the pursuit of larger honey harvest, beekeepers have been artificially increasing the size if the bee's comb cell for about 100 years, by using comb foundation. Bigger cells is thought to mean more honey. So the bees you see today (with some exceptions) are "large-cell" bees, bigger than nature made them. Bigger cells means the workers are too big and the drones are too small (bees left on their own will make different sized cells for each type of bee). This weakens the bees. Some bees bred generations on foundation have lost their ability to create comb on their own. These weak, immuno-compromised bees are then protected by the beekeepers with pesticides and anti-biotics placed in the hive to deal with the disease and pests that the bees can no longer fight off. This poisons the honey (yum!) and the bees, and breeds resistant pests. Beekeeping is also dominated by artificial breeding of queens, which eliminates the Darwinian battle of the queens which nature uses to find the strongest queen. This weakens the genetics of the bees, for thousands of generations. Most, in fact almost all, beekeeping is industrial farming, equivalent to factory farming chickens or cattle. And it has devastated the bees. There are exceptions: look into vertical top bar hives (which open from the bottom except once a year); chemical-free beekeeping; and spring-harvest honey (taken from the surplus after winter is over). --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895219594] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>@Giblet_Enjoyer Here's a good post on honey from a reddit post: <quote>Ok, beekeeper, non-vegan here. I've got no horse in the vegan race, but I do know my bees and here is the sad truth: beekeeping is responsible for the decline of world-wide bee population for the last (roughly) 150 years, and for the precipitous decline since 1947. Beekeeping as it has been done since the widespread adoption of the Langstroth hive has been bad for bees. This is mostly because the hive design has movable frames and opens from the top. These innovations led to highly interventionist beekeeping, and copious fucking with the bees. The movable frame allows the beekeeper to easily remove, inspect, replace, and swap comb, and led to migratory beekeeping. Bees are now trucked by the tens of thousands of hives across the country with the seasons for the pollination business (which is a bigger than the honey business). The results is that diseases and bee pests move too. The biggest colony killer in the US right now is the Varroa mite, introduced from Asia by humans in 1988, and spread by humans to hives across the country. The opening from the top destroys the bees' carefully maintained nestduftwarmebingdung, the nest atmosphere. Bees maintain a anti-microbial sauna inside the hive, at a contant tempurature with a complex scent. They can go into fever-mode, raising the temp to kill off infection. The scent helps maintain communication and defenses. Opening the hive destroys the atmosphere. It takes the bees days to reestablish, and is a costly expense of energy they need for foraging, building, and preparing for winter. This weakens the bees, compromising their immune system and leaving them susceptible to infection and invaders. Then there's honey. Bees spend all season making honey stores so that they can survive the winter. The beekeeper comes along and takes it, then feeds the bees sugar syrup in the winter. This also weakens the bees. Honey is a complex, nutritious bee food. Sugar water is a simple, inadequate food. This is something like you farming all season and stocking up for the winter. You've canned and preserved your veg, and filled your freezer with meat, ready for the hard, unproductive winter. Then someone comes along, takes all your food, and replaces it with Twinkies. You'll survive the winter on Twinkies, but you'll be in pretty bad health come spring. (Although, like the bees with sugar, you'll happily eat the Twinkies, because, yum.) In the pursuit of larger honey harvest, beekeepers have been artificially increasing the size if the bee's comb cell for about 100 years, by using comb foundation. Bigger cells is thought to mean more honey. So the bees you see today (with some exceptions) are "large-cell" bees, bigger than nature made them. Bigger cells means the workers are too big and the drones are too small (bees left on their own will make different sized cells for each type of bee). This weakens the bees. Some bees bred generations on foundation have lost their ability to create comb on their own. These weak, immuno-compromised bees are then protected by the beekeepers with pesticides and anti-biotics placed in the hive to deal with the disease and pests that the bees can no longer fight off. This poisons the honey (yum!) and the bees, and breeds resistant pests. Beekeeping is also dominated by artificial breeding of queens, which eliminates the Darwinian battle of the queens which nature uses to find the strongest queen. This weakens the genetics of the bees, for thousands of generations. Most, in fact almost all, beekeeping is industrial farming, equivalent to factory farming chickens or cattle. And it has devastated the bees. There are exceptions: look into vertical top bar hives (which open from the bottom except once a year); chemical-free beekeeping; and spring-harvest honey (taken from the surplus after winter is over). </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 11:47:57 PM #86:	Continued: A note about honey: most of the honey you buy at the grocery store is not. It is heated and filtered and pollen-free, removing the extraordinary health benefits of honey, cut eith corn syrup, beet syrup or other sweeteners, and laced with pesticides and anti-biotics. If you want honey, buy unfiltered, unheated honey, from a beekeeper you know. If you want honey and are concerned about the bees, buy from a beekeeper using Warr topbar hives, doing a surplus harvest. A note about Colony Collapse Disorder: CCD is not a mystery, as is often reported. CCD is caused by industrial farming pesticides, which destroy bees' navigational abilities, and they can't find their way back to the hive. The whole "it's mysterious" thing is a lie promoted by the chemical companies, primarily Bayer. But in the context of bees weakened by generations of industrial beekeeping, trying to forage on thousands of acres of monoculture crops, having been trucked thousands of miles from their home territory, it is an easy lie to sell. TL; DR: Beekeeping is the epitome of exploitation; it is anything but symbiotic, even though vegans can be annoying. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895219624] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Continued: <quote>A note about honey: most of the honey you buy at the grocery store is not. It is heated and filtered and pollen-free, removing the extraordinary health benefits of honey, cut eith corn syrup, beet syrup or other sweeteners, and laced with pesticides and anti-biotics. If you want honey, buy unfiltered, unheated honey, from a beekeeper you know. If you want honey and are concerned about the bees, buy from a beekeeper using Warr topbar hives, doing a surplus harvest. A note about Colony Collapse Disorder: CCD is not a mystery, as is often reported. CCD is caused by industrial farming pesticides, which destroy bees' navigational abilities, and they can't find their way back to the hive. The whole "it's mysterious" thing is a lie promoted by the chemical companies, primarily Bayer. But in the context of bees weakened by generations of industrial beekeeping, trying to forage on thousands of acres of monoculture crops, having been trucked thousands of miles from their home territory, it is an easy lie to sell. TL; DR: Beekeeping is the epitome of exploitation; it is anything but symbiotic, even though vegans can be annoying.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 01/31/18 11:54:06 PM #87:	Good information, Millennials. For anyone that wants to watch something, the series Rotten on Netflix has an episode about beekeeping and honey. It's the first episode. Give it a watch! --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895219957] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Good information, Millennials. For anyone that wants to watch something, the series Rotten on Netflix has an episode about beekeeping and honey. It's the first episode. Give it a watch!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
discodancer77 01/31/18 11:59:16 PM #88:	I am, have been for about a month. Not as a new year resolution thing, that was just coincidental timing. Before that Id had already cut down on meat a lot and hadnt drank milk in about 2 years. Lol @ anyone who drinks animal milk --- Playing: Kyuyyaku Megami Tensei Part 1 http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198797989609/wishlist/?sort=rank <cite>discodancer77 posted [p:895220201] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I am, have been for about a month. Not as a new year resolution thing, that was just coincidental timing. Before that Id had already cut down on meat a lot and hadnt drank milk in about 2 years. Lol @ anyone who drinks animal milk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 02/01/18 12:00:06 AM #89:	I think the reason I differentiate vegans from vegetarians is because that vast majority of vegetarians I have talked to generally tend to stay away from meat. Some of them eat eggs some do not. But the defining difference between a vegan and a vegetarian is all vegans avoid all animals products. While vegetarians seem to be all over the place on animal products. by the strictest definition vegetarians avoid all animal products as well, but I certainly do not see that as the norm for people who call themselves vegetarians. Perhaps the majority of vegetarians simply aren't TRUE vegetarians. The concern I have for a vegan diet and perhaps TRUE vegetarian diets (so we can get back on topic) is that if you avoid ALL foods and ingredients with animal products you greatly limit your options. Vegans do this 100% vegetarians do not. And as I previously quoted from the first article i posted. It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. Health professionals believe this and I absolutely do as well. So unless the vegan parent very carefully plans their diet (even more so then a non-vegan parent would have to do) they are likely increasing the risk of health issues for their child. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895220249] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I think the reason I differentiate vegans from vegetarians is because that vast majority of vegetarians I have talked to generally tend to stay away from meat. Some of them eat eggs some do not. But the defining difference between a vegan and a vegetarian is all vegans avoid all animals products. While vegetarians seem to be all over the place on animal products. by the strictest definition vegetarians avoid all animal products as well, but I certainly do not see that as the norm for people who call themselves vegetarians. Perhaps the majority of vegetarians simply aren't TRUE vegetarians. The concern I have for a vegan diet and perhaps TRUE vegetarian diets (so we can get back on topic) is that if you avoid ALL foods and ingredients with animal products you greatly limit your options. Vegans do this 100% vegetarians do not. And as I previously quoted from the first article i posted. It is possible to raise children on a balanced vegetarian diet however vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit, she said. Health professionals believe this and I absolutely do as well. So unless the vegan parent very carefully plans their diet (even more so then a non-vegan parent would have to do) they are likely increasing the risk of health issues for their child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:22:54 AM #90:	Dustin1280 posted... The concern I have for a vegan diet and perhaps TRUE vegetarian diets (so we can get back on topic) is that if you avoid ALL foods and ingredients with animal products you greatly limit your options. this is true of those that eat kosher, halal, or eat to accommodate diseases or allergen sensitivities. Most people limit their diets in some ways. This is just a different way. I don't begrudge anyone raising their family with kosher or halal diet rules. That is purely a belief system. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895221369] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>The concern I have for a vegan diet and perhaps TRUE vegetarian diets (so we can get back on topic) is that if you avoid ALL foods and ingredients with animal products you greatly limit your options.</quote> this is true of those that eat kosher, halal, or eat to accommodate diseases or allergen sensitivities. Most people limit their diets in some ways. This is just a different way. I don't begrudge anyone raising their family with kosher or halal diet rules. That is purely a belief system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:25:44 AM #91:	Dustin1280 posted... Health professionals believe this and I absolutely do as well. Last time i went to my doctor I asked if there are any concerns for a vegan diet. My doctor was thrilled. She said she wished more of her patients did that. Modern dietary advice is to avoid all animal products. Those diets are used to treat and reverse many dietary-related diseases such as coronary artery disease. You are getting outdated information. Health professionals are advocating for eliminating as many animal products from the diet as is feasible. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/ Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients. The purpose of this article is to help physicians understand the potential benefits of a plant-based diet, to the end of working together to create a societal shift toward plant-based nutrition. There is at least moderate-quality evidence from the literature that plant-based diets are associated with significant weight loss and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality compared with diets that are not plant based. These data suggest that plant-based diets may be a practical solution to prevent and treat chronic diseases. Further research is needed to find ways to make plant-based diets the new normal for our patients and employees. We cannot cure chronic diseases, but we may be able to prevent and control them by changing how we eat. With education and monitoring for adherence, we can improve health outcomes. Patterns of families and other colleagues who may be reluctant to support the efforts of individuals who are trying to change are a challenge to be overcome. We should invite our colleagues, patients, and their families to a shared decision-making process with the goal of adopting a plant-based diet and a regular exercise program. We should invite health care teams to complete a course on healthy eating and active living. We should encourage staff to be knowledgeable about plant-based nutrition. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895221516] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Health professionals believe this and I absolutely do as well.</quote> Last time i went to my doctor I asked if there are any concerns for a vegan diet. My doctor was thrilled. She said she wished more of her patients did that. Modern dietary advice is to avoid all animal products. Those diets are used to treat and reverse many dietary-related diseases such as coronary artery disease. You are getting outdated information. Health professionals are advocating for eliminating as many animal products from the diet as is feasible. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/ <quote>Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients. The purpose of this article is to help physicians understand the potential benefits of a plant-based diet, to the end of working together to create a societal shift toward plant-based nutrition. There is at least moderate-quality evidence from the literature that plant-based diets are associated with significant weight loss and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality compared with diets that are not plant based. These data suggest that plant-based diets may be a practical solution to prevent and treat chronic diseases. Further research is needed to find ways to make plant-based diets the new normal for our patients and employees. We cannot cure chronic diseases, but we may be able to prevent and control them by changing how we eat. With education and monitoring for adherence, we can improve health outcomes. Patterns of families and other colleagues who may be reluctant to support the efforts of individuals who are trying to change are a challenge to be overcome. We should invite our colleagues, patients, and their families to a shared decision-making process with the goal of adopting a plant-based diet and a regular exercise program. We should invite health care teams to complete a course on healthy eating and active living. We should encourage staff to be knowledgeable about plant-based nutrition.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 12:34:17 AM #92:	Millennials posted... Jesus christ, how fucked. Never using honey again. God damn we're so hopelessly stupid, lmao --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895221892] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> Jesus christ, how fucked. Never using honey again. God damn we're so hopelessly stupid, lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 02/01/18 12:36:59 AM #93:	Doctor Foxx posted... Dustin1280 posted... Health professionals believe this and I absolutely do as well. Last time i went to my doctor I asked if there are any concerns for a vegan diet. My doctor was thrilled. She said she wished more of her patients did that. Modern dietary advice is to avoid all animal products. Those diets are used to treat and reverse many dietary-related diseases such as coronary artery disease. You are getting outdated information. Health professionals are advocating for eliminating as many animal products from the diet as is feasible. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/ Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients. The purpose of this article is to help physicians understand the potential benefits of a plant-based diet, to the end of working together to create a societal shift toward plant-based nutrition. There is at least moderate-quality evidence from the literature that plant-based diets are associated with significant weight loss and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality compared with diets that are not plant based. These data suggest that plant-based diets may be a practical solution to prevent and treat chronic diseases. Further research is needed to find ways to make plant-based diets the new normal for our patients and employees. We cannot cure chronic diseases, but we may be able to prevent and control them by changing how we eat. With education and monitoring for adherence, we can improve health outcomes. Patterns of families and other colleagues who may be reluctant to support the efforts of individuals who are trying to change are a challenge to be overcome. We should invite our colleagues, patients, and their families to a shared decision-making process with the goal of adopting a plant-based diet and a regular exercise program. We should invite health care teams to complete a course on healthy eating and active living. We should encourage staff to be knowledgeable about plant-based nutrition. That's actually very interesting, it's only one article and it is from 2013 and I still have very strong doubts about raising children on a vegan diet and the risks it poses if you are not EXTREMELY careful. But I plan to further look into this document and current medical professionals opinions. At the very least I will say I no longer COMPLETELY condemn it when raising children. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895222005] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Health professionals believe this and I absolutely do as well.</quote> Last time i went to my doctor I asked if there are any concerns for a vegan diet. My doctor was thrilled. She said she wished more of her patients did that. Modern dietary advice is to avoid all animal products. Those diets are used to treat and reverse many dietary-related diseases such as coronary artery disease. You are getting outdated information. Health professionals are advocating for eliminating as many animal products from the diet as is feasible. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/ <quote>Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients. The purpose of this article is to help physicians understand the potential benefits of a plant-based diet, to the end of working together to create a societal shift toward plant-based nutrition. There is at least moderate-quality evidence from the literature that plant-based diets are associated with significant weight loss and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality compared with diets that are not plant based. These data suggest that plant-based diets may be a practical solution to prevent and treat chronic diseases. Further research is needed to find ways to make plant-based diets the new normal for our patients and employees. We cannot cure chronic diseases, but we may be able to prevent and control them by changing how we eat. With education and monitoring for adherence, we can improve health outcomes. Patterns of families and other colleagues who may be reluctant to support the efforts of individuals who are trying to change are a challenge to be overcome. We should invite our colleagues, patients, and their families to a shared decision-making process with the goal of adopting a plant-based diet and a regular exercise program. We should invite health care teams to complete a course on healthy eating and active living. We should encourage staff to be knowledgeable about plant-based nutrition.</quote></quote> That's actually very interesting, it's only one article and it is from 2013 and I still have very strong doubts about raising children on a vegan diet and the risks it poses if you are not EXTREMELY careful. But I plan to further look into this document and current medical professionals opinions. At the very least I will say I no longer COMPLETELY condemn it when raising children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:43:50 AM #94:	The only thing you may be deficient in is B12. I have chronic B12 deficiency and had to megadose twice weekly, would still test low on my blood. Within 2 months of giving up animal products I had levels well into the healthy range. I halved my supplementation. At 6 months it was even higher.The damage those animal-derived foods do to your digestive system can cause nutrient deficiencies. Doctor told me this is something she has seen. Incidentally, the B12 you get from animal products is from the livestock supplemented with B12 themselves. It's an inefficient method to have humans getting B12 from meat and dairy. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895222272] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>The only thing you may be deficient in is B12. I have chronic B12 deficiency and had to megadose twice weekly, would still test low on my blood. Within 2 months of giving up animal products I had levels well into the healthy range. I halved my supplementation. At 6 months it was even higher.The damage those animal-derived foods do to your digestive system can cause nutrient deficiencies. Doctor told me this is something she has seen. Incidentally, the B12 you get from animal products is from the livestock supplemented with B12 themselves. It's an inefficient method to have humans getting B12 from meat and dairy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 02/01/18 12:46:47 AM #95:	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ Perhaps it is the fact that I doubt parents in general are willing to do the planning necessary to ensure healthy growth in their children. My hate for vegan diets in children might come from my overall low opinion of the general populace. This topic HAS been enlightening though, so thanks for that. Time for me to nod off. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:895222395] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ Perhaps it is the fact that I doubt parents in general are willing to do the planning necessary to ensure healthy growth in their children. My hate for vegan diets in children might come from my overall low opinion of the general populace. This topic HAS been enlightening though, so thanks for that. Time for me to nod off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:49:58 AM #96:	Dustin1280 posted... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ Perhaps it is the fact that I doubt parents in general are willing to do the planning necessary to ensure healthy growth in their children. My hate for vegan diets in children might come from my overall low opinion of the general populace. This TOPIC has been enlightening though, so thanks for that. Time for me to nod off. people that care enough to adopt a vegan diet almost certainly care enough to supplement their kids. not just supplement, plan it out. people don't just trip into becoming vegan. you have to plan it for yourself as an adult, like any diet. ultimately veganism is about reducing suffering, and malnourishing your child is creating suffering. Doing that to your kid is itself NOT vegan. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895222524] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ Perhaps it is the fact that I doubt parents in general are willing to do the planning necessary to ensure healthy growth in their children. My hate for vegan diets in children might come from my overall low opinion of the general populace. This TOPIC has been enlightening though, so thanks for that. Time for me to nod off.</quote> people that care enough to adopt a vegan diet almost certainly care enough to supplement their kids. not just supplement, plan it out. people don't just trip into becoming vegan. you have to plan it for yourself as an adult, like any diet. ultimately veganism is about reducing suffering, and malnourishing your child is creating suffering. Doing that to your kid is itself NOT vegan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 1:13:02 AM #97:	How long have non-animal-derived B12 supplements been a thing? I remember people always used to argue that vegans will always have to resort to an animal product to get B12. I was just looking at my multivitamin gummies here and looked up Cyanocobalamin and apparently it's synthetic. Shame the gummies have gelatin though, d'oh --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895223430] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>How long have non-animal-derived B12 supplements been a thing? I remember people always used to argue that vegans will always have to resort to an animal product to get B12. I was just looking at my multivitamin gummies here and looked up Cyanocobalamin and apparently it's synthetic. Shame the gummies have gelatin though, d'oh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 1:16:26 AM #98:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... How long have non-animal-derived B12 supplements been a thing? I remember people always used to argue that vegans will always have to resort to an animal product to get B12. I was just looking at my multivitamin gummies here and looked up Cyanocobalamin and apparently it's synthetic. Shame the gummies have gelatin though, d'oh Quite some time. B12 isn't made by animals. It's made by bacteria. Animals would normally get bacteria from trace soil on unwashed plants. Since farmed animals never get to graze sufficiently or interact with the ground, or outside... they are fed massive supplements. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895223559] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>How long have non-animal-derived B12 supplements been a thing? I remember people always used to argue that vegans will always have to resort to an animal product to get B12. I was just looking at my multivitamin gummies here and looked up Cyanocobalamin and apparently it's synthetic. Shame the gummies have gelatin though, d'oh</quote> Quite some time. B12 isn't made by animals. It's made by bacteria. Animals would normally get bacteria from trace soil on unwashed plants. Since farmed animals never get to graze sufficiently or interact with the ground, or outside... they are fed massive supplements.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 1:17:48 AM #99:	Dustin1280 posted... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ Perhaps it is the fact that I doubt parents in general are willing to do the planning necessary to ensure healthy growth in their children. My hate for vegan diets in children might come from my overall low opinion of the general populace. This topic HAS been enlightening though, so thanks for that. Time for me to nod off. Yeah I hear ya, I have little faith in the average person as well but Foxx is probably right for the most part, I doubt vegan parents will often fail to take care of their vegan kids' nutritional needs seeing as how they most likely take care of themselves pretty well. I think as-ethical-as-possible vegetarianism is probably better though just because it's easier to meet a kid's high calorie & protein needs with that but I'm just some guy --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895223611] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ Perhaps it is the fact that I doubt parents in general are willing to do the planning necessary to ensure healthy growth in their children. My hate for vegan diets in children might come from my overall low opinion of the general populace. This topic HAS been enlightening though, so thanks for that. Time for me to nod off.</quote> Yeah I hear ya, I have little faith in the average person as well but Foxx is probably right for the most part, I doubt vegan parents will often fail to take care of their vegan kids' nutritional needs seeing as how they most likely take care of themselves pretty well. I think as-ethical-as-possible vegetarianism is probably better though just because it's easier to meet a kid's high calorie & protein needs with that but I'm just some guy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 1:28:19 AM #100:	Doctor Foxx posted... Quite some time. B12 isn't made by animals. It's made by bacteria. Animals would normally get bacteria from trace soil on unwashed plants. Since farmed animals never get to graze sufficiently or interact with the ground, or outside... they are fed massive supplements. Oh, interesting. Never knew where B12 actually comes from originally, I just knew it had something to do with herbivores. That's pretty cool, it's starting to sound like being a vegan is pretty easy unless you've got some sort of hangups about the food --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895223987] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> Quite some time. B12 isn't made by animals. It's made by bacteria. Animals would normally get bacteria from trace soil on unwashed plants. Since farmed animals never get to graze sufficiently or interact with the ground, or outside... they are fed massive supplements.</quote> Oh, interesting. Never knew where B12 actually comes from originally, I just knew it had something to do with herbivores. That's pretty cool, it's starting to sound like being a vegan is pretty easy unless you've got some sort of hangups about the food</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 1:44:35 AM #101:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Quite some time. B12 isn't made by animals. It's made by bacteria. Animals would normally get bacteria from trace soil on unwashed plants. Since farmed animals never get to graze sufficiently or interact with the ground, or outside... they are fed massive supplements. Oh, interesting. Never knew where B12 actually comes from originally, I just knew it had something to do with herbivores. That's pretty cool, it's starting to sound like being a vegan is pretty easy unless you've got some sort of hangups about the food It certainly can be. I live in a really small town with no restaurant options and very few things like meat substitutes available. I don't have a kitchen. I have to make all my food, and I eat very well. It's cheap. Biggest hassles have been reading the ingredient labels and figuring out where things are sourced from. Best solution is eat more whole foods that have only one ingredient. :) Giblet_Enjoyer posted... I think as-ethical-as-possible vegetarianism is probably better though just because it's easier to meet a kid's high calorie & protein needs with that but I'm just some guy Protein is really easy to meet. Guess where all protein comes from originally? Plants! Too much protein is harmful. Most people consume too much of it, especially if they eat meat. The key to satiety is starch with many cooked vegan diets. Not just carbs, but whole starches. Rice, potatoes, beans, etc. It all has protein. Well, not the potatoes so much. Most starches do. Legumes & lentils are great protein. Soy is good protein and healthy--and the manboobs thing is a busted myth. Animal products are more likely to cause issues with hormones and cause gynecomastia or low testosterone. https://www.livestrong.com/article/107568-bilateral-gynecomastia/ https://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/does-soy-really-cause-man-boobs For children getting the protein and calorie needs without overdoing it with fiber could be hard. But. There's vegan everything kids would eat to up those things--be it breakfast cereal, fruit snacks, hot dogs, chicken nuggets, pasta, etc. much of which is not particularly healthy. Calories are needed--but most American children are more at risk for being obese than too skinny. https://www.cdc.gov/healthyschools/obesity/facts.htm --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895224520] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> Quite some time. B12 isn't made by animals. It's made by bacteria. Animals would normally get bacteria from trace soil on unwashed plants. Since farmed animals never get to graze sufficiently or interact with the ground, or outside... they are fed massive supplements.</quote> Oh, interesting. Never knew where B12 actually comes from originally, I just knew it had something to do with herbivores. That's pretty cool, it's starting to sound like being a vegan is pretty easy unless you've got some sort of hangups about the food</quote> It certainly can be. I live in a really small town with no restaurant options and very few things like meat substitutes available. I don't have a kitchen. I have to make all my food, and I eat very well. It's cheap. Biggest hassles have been reading the ingredient labels and figuring out where things are sourced from. Best solution is eat more whole foods that have only one ingredient. :) <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>I think as-ethical-as-possible vegetarianism is probably better though just because it's easier to meet a kid's high calorie & protein needs with that but I'm just some guy</quote> Protein is really easy to meet. Guess where all protein comes from originally? Plants! Too much protein is harmful. Most people consume too much of it, especially if they eat meat. The key to satiety is starch with many cooked vegan diets. Not just carbs, but whole starches. Rice, potatoes, beans, etc. It all has protein. Well, not the potatoes so much. Most starches do. Legumes & lentils are great protein. Soy is good protein and healthy--and the manboobs thing is a busted myth. Animal products are more likely to cause issues with hormones and cause gynecomastia or low testosterone. https://www.livestrong.com/article/107568-bilateral-gynecomastia/ https://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/does-soy-really-cause-man-boobs For children getting the protein and calorie needs without overdoing it with fiber could be hard. But. There's vegan everything kids would eat to up those things--be it breakfast cereal, fruit snacks, hot dogs, chicken nuggets, pasta, etc. much of which is not particularly healthy. Calories are needed--but most American children are more at risk for being obese than too skinny. https://www.cdc.gov/healthyschools/obesity/facts.htm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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