Current Events > The difference between the Prequels and the JJ Abrams trilogy

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The fans accept that the prequels are bad and they freely make jokes about them

A large group of fans think the Abrams trilogy is seriously good, and any attempted jokes will start a huge argument
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Not as many lens flares, or "magical box" inspired writings.
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The new movies are objectively better works of cinema than the prequels. They aren't perfect and are sometimes stupid as hell, but they are better movies. The old movies have mediocre acting at their best moments and look ugly even for early 2000s movies. They've aged worse than the OT as illogical as that sounds.

A lot of Star Wars fans were just kids back then that had a lot of toys from the prequels and see them through nostalgia goggles. You can't even really make some argument that "at least they had soul" because George Lucas gave as few fucks as Peter Jackson did doing The Hobbit. And like those movies, it is a mystery where the hell all that budget went? Craft services? So they stuck closer to canon. Whoop de doo. We all know that is 95% of what makes a movie good /sarcasm.

I don't even know where this hate boner that everything Disney corporate touches is shit came from given the MCU and the majority of Pixar and Disney Animation movies. Is it some misplaced notion that everything Disney does is dumb shit for stupid little kids and Star Wars is serious adult business?
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How murdered would someone be if they said the new movies are better than the OT?
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The Abrams trilogy already looks worse than the OT

In the OT, they used what was available to them, and it looks realistic because it's minimal. In the newer movies, they use CGI whenever they can. In 2030 when CGI gets slightly better, everyone will say how terrible the Abrams trilogy looks.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't even know where this hate boner that everything Disney corporate touches is shit came from given the MCU and the majority of Pixar and Disney Animation movies. Is it some misplaced notion that everything Disney does is dumb shit for stupid little kids and Star Wars is serious adult business?

It might be advisable, rather than lose the American interest, to let the Americans do what seems good to them as long as it was possible (I should like to add) to veto anything from or influenced by the Disney studios (for all whose works I have a heartfelt loathing).

Yours sincerely
J. R. R. Tolkien

That quote is regarding a licensing agreement for The Hobbit. You can look more into why he hated Disney so much as most of his complaints are commonalities.

I also particularly hate the fact that they make all their fucking money off rehashing other peoples works and then copyright troll everyone else.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

The Abrams trilogy already looks worse than the OT

In the OT, they used what was available to them, and it looks realistic because it's minimal. In the newer movies, they use CGI whenever they can. In 2030 when CGI gets slightly better, everyone will say how terrible the Abrams trilogy looks.

I thought TFA used a lot of practical effects though
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is Mace Windu still the greatest duelist in all of the films?
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Kelystic posted...

is Mace Windu still the greatest duelist in all of the films?

Rey solos blindfolded with no legs
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littlebro07 posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

The Abrams trilogy already looks worse than the OT

In the OT, they used what was available to them, and it looks realistic because it's minimal. In the newer movies, they use CGI whenever they can. In 2030 when CGI gets slightly better, everyone will say how terrible the Abrams trilogy looks.

I thought TFA used a lot of practical effects though

I remember it did too, with some notable exceptions.

But I was mainly talking about TLJ with that - it looked awful.
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the prequels created a universe. aliens of all types everywhere, technology is varied between planets, you've got a whole galaxy of beings living together.

the sequels are tiny in comparison. there are humans absolutely everywhere. the only real aliens are animals and chewbacca. the scope is smaller and everything is focused around a handful of people, half of whom have no actual development behind them.

i think the prequels suck ass, but at least they have a lot more going for them in terms of building the universe.
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The prequels did an excellent job with the world-building, but they fall flat almost everywhere else. The story was decent in concept but the execution was poor, and the acting was mostly atrocious. Revenge of the Sith is the only one that really did it right.

The difference is the prequels actually added something to the Star Wars universe.
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I like the prequels better than these knew movies.

There was boring part of the preguels and illegals actions taken by people.

However that is the only thing I can see in these new movies. And that damn Rose and Finn I hate those people so got damn much.
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

the prequels created a universe. aliens of all types everywhere, technology is varied between planets, you've got a whole galaxy of beings living together.

the sequels are tiny in comparison. there are humans absolutely everywhere. the only real aliens are animals and chewbacca. the scope is smaller and everything is focused around a handful of people, half of whom have no actual development behind them.

i think the prequels suck ass, but at least they have a lot more going for them in terms of building the universe.

That's probably why they added the random casino planet in TLJ.

I think one of the biggest missed opportunities with the new trilogy is showing off Leia as an actual leader. It's all in a tie-in novel. That stuff would have been great to see on screen.

They were probably completely scared of the politics stuff thanks to The Phantom Menace reception. But I don't think they needed to be. That wasn't really the problem with that movie.
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A lot of things done in the ST have been done for the sake of not repeating the prequels and returning to the feel of the OT.

This means even good things from the prequels are trying to be avoided.
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hockeybub89 posted...

The new movies are objectively better works of cinema than the prequels.

Wrong
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Its not a Abrams trilogy if Rian Johnson directed TLJ
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The link between all of these movies is JJ Abrams
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7 was p good. 8 at least had its moments. 1 and 2 had almost nothing redeemable about them, aside from one lightsaber battle in 1.
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Luke is a waste. More than a waste, Luke's character and the way he was destroyed is an insult and a travesty. The destruction and desecration of Luke's character will be talked about for years.

Finn was wasted. Comic relief with an unnecessary side quest that was totally unengaging. Even more so for Rose cuz I had no reason to be invested in her.

Leia should have died in space, there's NO REASON to keep her alive... What the actual f***? Dying in space would have been memorable now she has to die offscreen. She doesn't even do anything the rest of the movie.

Akbar dies off screen like a chump? Give HIM the Holdo maneuver.

Holdo was a bad leader and a waste. Poe was also a bad leader. That whole mutiny plot was silly and contrived and hard to believe.

Phasma was a huge waste, brought back to die to Finn... Ok.

Snoke was wasted and taken out like a chump after exhibiting immense Force powers he then jobs to Kylo Ren by not paying attention or sensing the attack? What the actual f***? And no backstory. No explanation.

Rey still has zero training but is able to go toe to toe with literally everyone, kills the Imperial guards, and is basically better than Kylo Ren. Rey even knocks Luke Skywalker on his ass. Rey whups Luke and puts him on his ass... Think about the stupidity of this s***.
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DevsBro posted...

7 was p good. 8 at least had its moments. 1 and 2 had almost nothing redeemable about them, aside from one lightsaber battle in 1.

the music was good in 1 & 2. duel of the fates is freakin' sweet
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

7 was p good. 8 at least had its moments. 1 and 2 had almost nothing redeemable about them, aside from one lightsaber battle in 1.

the music was good in 1 & 2. duel of the fates is freakin' sweet

True enough. I was also a fan of it in 7 but don't remember any from 8.
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The prequels are bad. They're poorly written, poorly acted save for a one or two roles and look terrible due to their overuse of cgi. Everything about how and why they're bad has been done to death.
There's a story there that Lucas wanted to do. It may have been a bad and stupid one but it's there.

TFA set up stuff. It created all these different avenues that future stories could go down. That's about all it did which was it's purpose. I had no problem with that.
But there was no larger story in place for this trilogy. They had no idea where any of it was going to go. Which is stupid and baffling and should have been red flag number 1 to Disney that KK had no idea what the fuck she was doing.
The bigger problem comes when you bring in a hack nobody writer/director. Say "Here's SW. Do whatever you want with it. It doesn't have to make sense." And then he literally takes every plot thread, every mystery, every new character and decades old established characters and purposely ignores it or shits all over it.

The prequels are bad due to in general incompetence.
TLJ is bad due to the genuine malice it's writer/director had for the content. And that is by far the worse sin and why it is by far the worst SW movie to me.
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I like how people have been saying that the prequel trilogy was so bad almost nothing was redeemable (soundtrack is an exception) and yet now with the sequel trilogy some people are like, "the prequels weren't that bad."
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Banjo2553 posted...

I like how people have been saying that the prequel trilogy was so bad almost nothing was redeemable (soundtrack is an exception) and yet now with the sequel trilogy some people are like, "the prequels weren't that bad."

The prequels were decent movies people just focus too much on the small amount of stupid shit or jar jar memes.

TLJ is literally ass from start to finish.
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Despite how bad the prequels are, it definitely felt like a story was being told.

I liked TFA because it was the setup movie. I felt like things would only get better.

Instead it ended up being like many failed TV shows that start out great for the pilot (TFA) and fall apart by the second episode.
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Banjo2553 posted...

I like how people have been saying that the prequel trilogy was so bad almost nothing was redeemable (soundtrack is an exception) and yet now with the sequel trilogy some people are like, "the prequels weren't that bad."

Maybe Star Wars will replace the Zelda cycle
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LockeMonster posted...

Despite how bad the prequels are, it definitely felt like a story was being told.

I liked TFA because it was the setup movie. I felt like things would only get better.

Instead it ended up being like many failed TV shows that start out great for the pilot (TFA) and fall apart by the second episode.

Anyone who watched TFA without rose colored glasses knew TLJ would suck. TFA had SO many issues, inconsistencies, and already began deconstructing the pre-established lore.

Everyone should have been disappointed in TLJ but I truly question the sanity of anyone who was actually surprised by how bad it was.
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De Evolution posted...

Everyone should have been disappointed in TLJ but I truly question the sanity of anyone who was actually surprised by how bad it was.

I hated TFA, expected TLJ to be bad, and was surprised by how bad it was anyway because it was just that bad.
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hockeybub89 posted...

The new movies are objectively better works of cinema than the prequels. They aren't perfect and are sometimes stupid as hell, but they are better movies. The old movies have mediocre acting at their best moments and look ugly even for early 2000s movies. They've aged worse than the OT as illogical as that sounds.

This. The Abrams movies are objectively better films and better reflect the OT than the PT.

Well I came in wanting to like the movie and ended up enjoying it.
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The last Jedi has the worst rotten tomatoes score so objectively its the worst.
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