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The23rdMagus 02/16/18 5:47:02 AM #51: |
Mal_Fet posted...
The23rdMagus posted...Mal_Fet posted...Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things? By all means, elaborate. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 5:47:13 AM #52: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
There's only one side that refuses to take any steps with gun control. I agree. And in the current climate, the other side often concerns itself with steps that give good optics. But in no way do I think the sides are "equally to blame". I just think both sides suck at having this discussion. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:48:09 AM #53: |
The23rdMagus posted...
Mal_Fet posted...The23rdMagus posted...Mal_Fet posted...Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things? How's Venezuela doing --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:48:56 AM #54: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
scar the 1 posted...Mal_Fet posted...scar the 1 posted...Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't. Ouch... --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 5:49:00 AM #55: |
scar the 1 posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...There's only one side that refuses to take any steps with gun control. Without a doubt. I think they suck at having most discussions but this one seems to be in the top three. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 5:49:55 AM #56: |
Mal_Fet posted...
The23rdMagus posted...Mal_Fet posted...The23rdMagus posted...Mal_Fet posted...Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things? How's Canada, France, Norway, Germany, the UK doing? Oh they all have better qualities of life than America. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 5:50:22 AM #57: |
It's maybe slightly dishonest to call Venezuela a progressive country. Progressive countries would be like Canada, northern Europe, Netherlands, Germany etc
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:50:30 AM #58: |
byrone posted...
Not embodying all progressive ideas, that's for sure. If more restrictions on firearms and "free" healthcare is all progressives wanted they'd all have already moved to those places. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 5:51:20 AM #59: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...scar the 1 posted...Mal_Fet posted...scar the 1 posted...Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't. You realize I was reinforcing his "stricter background checks" statement right. He asked about the fairs and instead of just posting that for him you tried to take a shot at me. I must have gotten under your skin or something. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 5:51:39 AM #60: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted... So you think "progressives" want to be like Venezuela and not Europe? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The23rdMagus 02/16/18 5:51:47 AM #61: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted... Or keep trying to improve the place they live. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:52:06 AM #62: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
You realize I was reinforcing his "stricter background checks" statement right. You know that the background checks at fairs are no less strict than they are at any gun store, right. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/16/18 5:53:34 AM #63: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted... It's almost like some progressive ideas are good and some are bad... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 5:53:41 AM #64: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...You realize I was reinforcing his "stricter background checks" statement right. Yes. That's why I didn't say anything about them. Just as I stated in the part you conviently cut out of that post. Tracking conversations are not your thing Mal. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 5:53:59 AM #65: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...You realize I was reinforcing his "stricter background checks" statement right. What about this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole ? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:54:30 AM #66: |
The23rdMagus posted...
Or keep trying to improve the place they live. You know that the UK, Canada, Germany, etc. all have progressives rallying no less feverishly to impose the laws they want, right? The top leftist in the UK government openly and proudly advocates socialism, and once praised Venezuela as an ideal socialist state. Venezuela is the progressive ideal. Not any of the countries you named. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 5:55:12 AM #67: |
scar the 1 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Zeeak4444 posted...You realize I was reinforcing his "stricter background checks" statement right. I can't speak for anywhere else but I know that it's heavily regulated in California. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 5:55:29 AM #68: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Venezuela is the progressive ideal. Not any of the countries you named. According to you. You're incredibly delusional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:55:56 AM #69: |
scar the 1 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Zeeak4444 posted...You realize I was reinforcing his "stricter background checks" statement right. That article references private sales, not sales through a gun show proprietor. And if you watched the video I posted, you'd know why the statistics cited are nonsense. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 5:55:58 AM #70: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Venezuela is the progressive ideal. Not any of the countries you named. I feel like you've really invented your own definition of progressivism, lol --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:56:13 AM #71: |
byrone posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Venezuela is the progressive ideal. Not any of the countries you named. Mal_Fet posted... The top leftist in the UK government openly and proudly advocates socialism, and once praised Venezuela as an ideal socialist state. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The23rdMagus 02/16/18 5:56:26 AM #72: |
Mal_Fet posted...
The23rdMagus posted...Or keep trying to improve the place they live. I didn't name any of them, nor mention Venezuela. Please try to stay on track. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 5:57:40 AM #73: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted...Mal_Fet posted...Venezuela is the progressive ideal. Not any of the countries you named. One person = all progressives? Or even a handful = all? byrone posted... You're incredibly delusional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 5:58:23 AM #74: |
byrone posted...
One person = all progressives? An elected representative, by definition, represents his constituents. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The23rdMagus 02/16/18 5:59:13 AM #75: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted...One person = all progressives? That doesn't address the question. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/16/18 5:59:40 AM #76: |
The23rdMagus posted...
Mal has about 7 or 8 arguments on standby that he pulls out when questioned about something. They don't usually actually correlate to the topic at hand, that's why his posts are so disjointed. So suicide rates are the argument for allowing kids to be slaughtered Venezuela and Canada are the arguments for Progressives being bad. And gun show loopholes may be exaggerated is the arugment for.... I'm not even sure anymore. I'm sure he has something about Israel on Standby also. But it sorta works. You'll notice he's successfully steered this conversation away from the US' mass shooting epidemic, specifically the school shootings. Yet meanwhile has not adressed a single point raised about them. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 6:00:24 AM #77: |
@Mal_Fet
So back on topic. How is wanting gun control now equate to people wanting Trump to be a dictator? I'm still waiting for you to let us know. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 6:02:15 AM #78: |
Mal_Fet posted...
That article references private sales, not sales through a gun show proprietor. And if you watched the video I posted, you'd know why the statistics cited are nonsense. Well I'm in a public place without headphones, would you mind providing a more credible and readable source than a YouTube video? I don't know a lot pig the technicalities about these things, so I'm happy to learn. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 6:02:18 AM #79: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted...One person = all progressives? So whatever area of England he represents = all progressives? byrone posted... You're incredibly delusional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/16/18 6:02:54 AM #80: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted...One person = all progressives? If you're talking about Corbyn then the public didn't elect him. Constituents vote for their local MP. The Party leader was decided by the official party and it was torn between 4 candiates who were all notoriously unpopular and nearly split the party. Corbyn is not popular in the UK and it's a lie to say that he is. Both him and May have no faith from the general population. Be careful what media sites tell you, its easy to fall for clickbait. If you're not talking about Corbyn then disregard this --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 6:03:16 AM #81: |
The23rdMagus posted...
I didn't name any of them, nor mention Venezuela. Please try to stay on track. Mistook you for someone else. Anyway, suffice to say progressives will not be happy with a handful of extra government services. They aren't in Canada, or Sweden, or Norway, etc etc. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 6:04:13 AM #82: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
So back on topic. How is wanting gun control now equate to people wanting Trump to be a dictator? Because the sort of gun control top Democrats want is unconstitutional. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 6:05:03 AM #83: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...So back on topic. How is wanting gun control now equate to people wanting Trump to be a dictator? We've had over 150 proposals since 2011. Can you cite the ones that are unconstitunal for me please? --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 6:06:19 AM #84: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Zeeak4444 posted...So back on topic. How is wanting gun control now equate to people wanting Trump to be a dictator? Mal_Fet posted...
--- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 6:11:59 AM #85: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Mal_Fet posted...byrone posted...One person = all progressives? He's absolutely talking about Corbyn @Mal_Fet ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 6:12:57 AM #86: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...Mal_Fet posted...Zeeak4444 posted...So back on topic. How is wanting gun control now equate to people wanting Trump to be a dictator? Here's my counter: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html Please tell me how that video shows something unconstitutional now. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 6:13:36 AM #87: |
byrone posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Mal_Fet posted...byrone posted...One person = all progressives? Ok so he was elected by people who represent their constituents. What difference does that make --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 6:14:32 AM #88: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted...UnfairRepresent posted...Mal_Fet posted...byrone posted...One person = all progressives? Because you're saying a section of England represents ALL "progressives" You can't be this delusional. Can you? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 6:15:09 AM #89: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
Here's my counter: Here's my counter: I referred specifically to what the top Democrats want to do. It's great that they're so far powerless to enforce it, but that doesn't change that a total gun ban is what they want. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 02/16/18 6:15:59 AM #90: |
byrone posted...
Because you're saying a section of England represents ALL "progressives" The UK was one of the examples I was given. Don't blame me for using it. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 6:17:29 AM #91: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...Here's my counter: So I asked for you to choose any of the 150 proposals that have been shut down and you countered that the opinion of someone (not the actual legislation) is what matter more? What a fucking joke. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 6:17:39 AM #92: |
Mal_Fet posted...
byrone posted...Because you're saying a section of England represents ALL "progressives" You were given several others. You just clinged to the Jeremy Corbyn daily mail headlines. byrone posted... You can't be this delusional. Can you? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 6:19:10 AM #93: |
byrone posted...
You can't be this delusional. Can you? He can. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/16/18 6:19:24 AM #94: |
Mal_Fet posted...
The difference it makes is whether or not is fair to say that he represents the views of the average Labour party voter. He really doesn't. And that's not a defense nor an attack on either him or the Labour Party. It's just a fact. You're either lying or have been mislead or both if you think his views are a reflection of popular views in the UK. His own party doesn't like him and average Joe Q does not vote for him. They vote for their local MP who whether Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrats has different views to Corbyn. Corbyn's entire rise to "power" was a house of cards. And I'm not even saying Corbyn's views are wrong or bad. I'm just saying they're not reprensenative. You seem to think they are and that's incorrect. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/16/18 6:20:55 AM #95: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
byrone posted...You can't be this delusional. Can you? Mal's not delusional. He's actually quite intelligent and often can be very insightful. He's just bad at arguing. He's a very "black and white" guy. One side is 100% right, one is 100% wrong. He can't see or discuss nuance. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 6:21:52 AM #96: |
Mal_Fet posted...
I referred specifically to what the top Democrats want to do. It's great that they're so far powerless to enforce it, but that doesn't change that a total gun ban is what they want. I mean, this line of reasoning is exactly what you dismiss when people here call Trump fascist. Then it's perfectly fine to just consider his policies, now you go by rhetoric. At least have some consistency fam --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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byrone 02/16/18 6:21:59 AM #97: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...byrone posted...You can't be this delusional. Can you? No he's delusional. He's deluded himself into believing that one extreme example represents an entire group of people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/16/18 6:27:04 AM #98: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...byrone posted...You can't be this delusional. Can you? I only state that because he completely twists things around. He can't track conversations and will dictate conversations. That's not usually a problem with most people but Mal likes to chop up your posts and take things completely out of context before going on wild tangents or deciding to completely change the topic of discussion. He then boasts about how he's right (even about subjective things). That's delusional. Deciding that scientific studies mean what he thinks they mean instead of what's actually stated and backed up by data is delusional. He might be pretty smart. He's still become more and more delusional over these last few years. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/16/18 6:28:26 AM #99: |
byrone posted...
As I said he's a black and white guy. "This guy has some power and thinks this but the population doesn't agree with him." is too gray. I don't think that's the same thing as delusion. Delusion would be like claiming the UK is a Muslim nation. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 02/16/18 6:29:01 AM #100: |
Who cares if he's smart or not. I'm just hoping you (Mal) learn enough about the scientific method some day so you can manage your studies.
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