Current Events > Progressives keep calling Trump a dictator, but now they want him to be one

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Sweeping gun bans and going against the nation's constitution would easily be more dictatorial than anything Trump has done so far. By a lot.

Yes I'm using my self-imposed "one gun topic per year" rule for this. Fucking hypocrites.
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Liberals want to live in a police state.
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Don't ban the guns, the guns are fine, nothing wrong with the guns. Stop badmouthing the guns. The problem is the system that is currently in place, the system that is designed to keep guns out of dangerous peoples hands, is about as effective as a screen-door on a submarine.
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Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals want to live in a police state.

Ah, so liberals are anti-police and for a police state. Yes, that makes complete sense.
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Kineth posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals want to live in a police state.

Ah, so liberals are anti-police and for a police state. Yes, that makes complete sense.

Never said they were consistent. Many of them say that only the police should be allowed to have guns.

Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things?

Prison.
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It's the second amendment as in something amended as in changed as in can be changed again. Why cant republicans grasp this?
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Mal's on his bullshit.

Nothing to see here.
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spikethedevil posted...

It's the second amendment as in something amended as in changed as in can be changed again. Why cant republicans grasp this?

Yes the second amendment can be changed.

Good luck with that.
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Bishop9800 posted...

Mal's on his bullshit.

Nothing to see here.

Pretty much.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

Mal's on his bullshit.

Nothing to see here.

Pretty much.

Well which is it guys, do you want Trump to be a dictator or not?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

Mal's on his bullshit.

Nothing to see here.

Pretty much.

Well which is it guys, do you want Trump to be a dictator or not?

I wasn't aware passing/advocating for legislation was something dictators do.

No wonder you hated Obama.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I wasn't aware passing/advocating for legislation was something dictators do.

Passing legislation that bans guns AND going directly against the Constitution is a hallmark of dictatorship, yes.


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Leftists have no consistency in their views
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Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I wasn't aware passing/advocating for legislation was something dictators do.

Passing legislation that bans guns AND going directly against the Constitution is a hallmark of dictatorship, yes.

Where does this gun ban shit keep coming from.

legislation on requirements isn't banning guns. I'm surprised at the staggering amount of people who struggle with that one basic but important detail.

It's pretty pathetic watching these meltdowns about gun CONTROL.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I wasn't aware passing/advocating for legislation was something dictators do.

Passing legislation that bans guns AND going directly against the Constitution is a hallmark of dictatorship, yes.

Gun control works here in Canada, but none of those people have ever been in charge here
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Where does this gun ban shit keep coming from.

Democrats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LaBJvI0BI
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Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals want to live in a police state.

I am centre-right politically and I am far more liberal than most of the so called liberals.

Most of the left is now illiberal rather than liberal.

Kineth posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals want to live in a police state.

Ah, so liberals are anti-police and for a police state. Yes, that makes complete sense.

Yeah, thats one of the things that makes them dumb.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Where does this gun ban shit keep coming from.

Democrats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LaBJvI0BI

That's what you're gonna pull. Really reaching hard now aren't we.

Just fucking lol.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I wasn't aware passing/advocating for legislation was something dictators do.

Passing legislation that bans guns AND going directly against the Constitution is a hallmark of dictatorship, yes.

"This has worked in every other nation on Earth except Switzerland and they don't have these problems."

"Oh yeah! Well if it worked literally everywhere else than that means it worked when every single EVIL person did it!"

"....Yeah? so?

"WELL THEREFORE IT'S CLEARLY EVIL!"

All of those dudes drank milk, wore clothes, drove cars and used flushable toilets too dude. You gonna give those up?
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"Where did all this talk of gun bans come from??"

"From some of the highest-ranking Democrats in Congress who openly declare they want to ban guns"

"That's what you're gonna pull. Really reaching hard now aren't we??"

This topic is almost going as badly for you as that other topic about shutting down speakers is. Almost.
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Daily reminder that Mal Fet once stated that NATO was created after 9/11
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Mal_Fet posted...

Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things?

Prison.

This just isn't true. Women in US prisons have to work tons of hours just to be able to afford tampons and toilet paper.
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thelovefist posted...

Daily reminder that Mal Fet once stated that NATO was created after 9/11

Lmao I remember that

UnfairRepresent posted...

"This has worked in every other nation on Earth except Switzerland and they don't have these problems."

Nope.
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Okay now show me the graphs for mass shootings, specifically focusing on school shootings worldwide.

You know the thing we are all talking about which is uniquely a problem in America yet you refuse to act like it is or that guns are related.

Why is it that the UK had 1 mass school shooting, increased gun laws and the never had another one?

Meanwhile you will never admit this but we both know there is going to be another at least 2 school shootings with 5+ dead in the US in 2018 alone. At least.
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FWIW, I think Americans suck at talking about guns. One side often wants blanket bans (fishing for votes) and the other side cries fascism as soon as anything with the word "gun" in it gets proposed. Meanwhile they're in a deadlock and won't even fund the appropriate research to begin understanding the issue.
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scar the 1 posted...

FWIW, I think Americans suck at talking about guns. One side often wants blanket bans (fishing for votes) and the other side cries fascism as soon as anything with the word "gun" in it gets proposed. Meanwhile they're in a deadlock and won't even fund the appropriate research to begin understanding the issue.

I think that's the problem IMO.

The Gun Worship from people like TC and the gun Fear from Liberals means neither "side" is rational and nothing is done as Children are routinely mowed down.

Everyone's just so unreasonable and emotional about the whole thing.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Okay now show me the graphs for mass shootings, specifically focusing on school shootings worldwide.

Why, because the graphs for the overall homicide rate completely blows your argument out of the water?

It's not worse to be killed in a mass shooting than it is to be killed in any other circumstance. That's why the homicide rate is what matters.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

scar the 1 posted...

FWIW, I think Americans suck at talking about guns. One side often wants blanket bans (fishing for votes) and the other side cries fascism as soon as anything with the word "gun" in it gets proposed. Meanwhile they're in a deadlock and won't even fund the appropriate research to begin understanding the issue.

I think that's the problem IMO.

The Gun Worship from people like TC and the gun Fear from Liberals means neither "side" is rational and nothing is done as Children are routinely mowed down.

Everyone's just so unreasonable and emotional about the whole thing.

I could be wrong but hasn't almost the entirety of gun control in the last decade surrounded ARs and background checks?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Why, because the graphs for the overall homicide rate completely blows your argument out of the water?

I haven't made an argument other than saying the mass shooting epidemic is unique to America.

And you dodged that....

Mal_Fet posted...

It's not worse to be killed in a mass shooting than it is to be killed in any other circumstance. That's why the homicide rate is what matters.

So it's cool to have children mowed down over and over and over and over and over and over mercilessly so long as we assume that correleation = casuation with random homicide (and fucking suicide) rates?

Here's a crazy idea, how about we keep homicides low because America is a great country... AND stop the mass slaughter of children that happens routinely and no other nation deals with?

You have this weird assumption that we have to pick between a net body of 100 dead kids or 150 dead adults and you're just picking the kids because it's a smaller number.

It's a really weird argument.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

The Gun Worship from people like TC and the gun Fear from Liberals means neither "side" is rational and nothing is done as Children are routinely mowed down.

In all my experience debating gun control, one thing has been consistently and abundantly clear: all the relevant knowledge about firearms and the statistics thereof are on the side of gun rights supporters. People who advocate gun control are largely slacktivist keyboard warriors who need it explained to them what the difference between an "assault rifle" and an "assault weapon", that a semi-automatic isn't a machine gun, that we already require background checks for gun purchases, and that the AR in AR-15 doesn't stand for "assault rifle".

I need to explain these things to people without fail every time gun control becomes a hot topic again, and these are the things the left wants to legislate on. Things they are completely, blindingly ignorant of.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I haven't made an argument other than saying the mass shooting epidemic is unique to America.

And I have made the argument that dividing out mass shootings from the overall homicide rate is meaningless.

UnfairRepresent posted...

So it's cool to have children mowed down over and over and over and over and over and over

No it isn't. And since we know that banning guns doesn't actually prevent homicides, it would be pertinent to come up with some other, better solutions then, right? Like better policing and more mental health services.
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Mal_Fet posted...

all the relevant knowledge about firearms and the statistics thereof are on the side of gun rights supporters

That's because you just pick whatever statistics you find that support pro-gun arguments and declare them relevant.

Then ignore anything that does not.

You're literally arguing that mass shootings of schools in America is A-okay because you found some research that said there are less suicides in America than Lithuania and Japan.

That's not rational...

Mal_Fet posted...

People who advocate gun control are largely slacktivist keyboard warriors who need it explained to them what the difference between an "assault rifle" and an "assault weapon", that a semi-automatic isn't a machine gun, and that the AR in AR-15 doesn't stand for "assault rifle".

So how about instead of going "You want Trump to be a dictator police state liberal cuck slacktivist idiot" you explain to them what the guns are and how they work?

You know talk to people instead of being hyperbolic and emotional.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You're literally arguing that mass shootings of schools in America is A-okay

Look if you're just going to keep lying about what I have clearly written in this topic for everyone to see, then there's no use continuing.
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Mal_Fet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Okay now show me the graphs for mass shootings, specifically focusing on school shootings worldwide.

Why, because the graphs for the overall homicide rate completely blows your argument out of the water?

It's not worse to be killed in a mass shooting than it is to be killed in any other circumstance. That's why the homicide rate is what matters.

Like so often before Mal, you present some interesting stats very poorly. What type of analysis was done? (I'm assuming the datapoints are countries.) What other factors were taken into account and corrected for? Essentially you present incomplete data without describing the method used, then you draw the conclusions way too far. You really need to step up your science game.
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Mal_Fet posted...

No it isn't. And since we know that banning guns doesn't actually prevent homicides,

We don't know that.

On a global scale there is a debatable correleation according to some sources. That's all we know.



I mean rape and murder rates have globally dropped since the invention of Pogs.

Mal_Fet posted...

it would be pertinent to come up with some other, better solution then, right?

Yes.

And stricter gun-control is one that has nearly universially succeded in crippling mass shootings in every other nation on Earth. Something you keep ignoring.

So maybe we should try that?
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I'm still wondering if we've actually had proposed legislation that banned anything outside of ARs and magazine clips in the last 20 years?

There's a lot of fuss over loopholes and background checks. We've had over 150 proposals since 2011.

How many of them were outright gun bans?
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thelovefist posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I wasn't aware passing/advocating for legislation was something dictators do.

Passing legislation that bans guns AND going directly against the Constitution is a hallmark of dictatorship, yes.

Gun control works here in Canada, but none of those people have ever been in charge here

This is how well gun control works in Canada:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1487818-break-in-suspect-shot-man-in-home-charged

https://www.google.com/amp/nationalpost.com/news/canada/man-faces-jail-after-protecting-home-from-masked-attackers/amp

Being charged with a crime for defending yourself, your family and your property.

That makes a lot of sense...
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UnfairRepresent posted...

We don't know that.

On a global scale there is a debatable correleation according to some sources. That's all we know.

Ok, post those sources.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I could be wrong but hasn't almost the entirety of gun control in the last decade surrounded ARs and background checks?

ARs seem to be a hot topic because they look scary and have been involved in some recent incidents. Easy to play on people's emotions and call for their ban.
Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't.
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You now who else used children to ban guns?

Hitler.

scar the 1 posted...

Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't.

Background checks are required to buy a gun in every state in the country.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things?

Prison.

You aren't by chance implying prisoners have a better quality of life than the average lower-class person that would be in need of such things, are you?
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scar the 1 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I could be wrong but hasn't almost the entirety of gun control in the last decade surrounded ARs and background checks?

ARs seem to be a hot topic because they look scary and have been involved in some recent incidents. Easy to play on people's emotions and call for their ban.
Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't.

Thank you. I ended up making another followup a few seconds ago but this is essentially my point. It's hard to blame the side proposing bans when they've had a huge range of suggestions.

There's only one side that refuses to take any steps with gun control.
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Mal_Fet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're literally arguing that mass shootings of schools in America is A-okay

Look if you're just going to keep lying

Mal_Fet posted...

It's not worse to be killed in a mass shooting than it is to be killed in any other circumstance. That's why the homicide rate is what matters.

Uhuh

If you want to be pedantic you literally didn't say "A-okay" but you were arguing that it doesn't matter if kids are mowed down in schools so long as we have a generally lower homicide rate than other nations.

Which is madness and horrific. There's no reason to use the fact America is a first-world nation as an excuse to allow people to suffer and die just because "Well our numbers still might not be as bad as their numbers."

"A-okay" is good shorthand for that logic.
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The23rdMagus posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things?

Prison.

You aren't by chance implying prisoners have a better quality of life than the average lower-class person that would be in need of such things, are you?

No, because I recognize that progressives' ideas won't lead to a better quality of life.
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Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't.

Background checks are required to buy a gun in every state in the country.

At fairs also? Although I think that what I'm referring to is stricter background checks.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You now who else used children to ban guns?

Hitler.

You know who else drank water?

Hitler.

Think about that the next time you reach for a glass.

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Background checks, on the other hand, is something that most Americans agree with, however the people paying Congress politicians don't.

Background checks are required to buy a gun in every state in the country.

At fairs also? Although I think that what I'm referring to is stricter background checks.

You are. He's trying to deflect as he did when I said gun control and he read it as gun ban.
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