Current Events > 49% of Californians plan to leave the state soon.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

They're holding the real estate market hostage by refusing to allow more construction to happen.

That has absolutely nothing to do with liberals dude.

It's most notably the leftists in the state who are enforcing regulations that are stifling construction. It's government involvement in areas where it shouldn't be.
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I'd more than welcome some more Californians to PA, but perhaps they'll be happier in the nice warm weather of Texas or Florida.
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California has an insolvent public pension system. Those liabilities will detonate when the current bull market in stocks ends. You can bet that the CA leftists will try to loot as much as they can from tax payers to keep those bloated government pensions afloat.
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I wanna leave but I'm mostly just sick of the traffic.
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tennisdude818 posted...

California has an insolvent public pension system. Those liabilities will detonate when the current bull market in stocks ends. You can bet that the CA leftists will try to loot as much as they can from tax payers to keep those bloated government pensions afloat.

Might also explain why they push so hard for the type of gun control that's effectively a gun ban.
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The leftist are the ones pushing for more construction and public transportation.

Wealthy homeowners are the ones blocking it but whatever fits the proudclad narrative I guess.

I'd leave CA if other opportunities arose.
My mom lives in Houtson and she said I'm always open to stay with her until I get up on my own feet there, so that's one option so far.

But I'm nowhere near ready to move out of state.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

The leftist are the ones pushing for more construction and public transportation.

Wealthy homeowners are the ones blocking it but whatever fits the proudclad narrative I guess.

Lmao that's bullshit. Most of my family, even the ones in California, is in the construction industry. I keep my eyeballs on the industry in California and Illinois.

There are a lot of regulations that make it expensive to build new homes, often times not even worth it. And there's also regulations on how many homes can be built in various areas. Guess which party is most likely to enforce those regulations? The leftists in California don't give a damn about construction unless it's project complexes for Section 8.
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In fact, the more left-leaning a city, the more expensive the cost of living. San Francisco is one of the most leftist places in the world. If they wanted to build more housing, they could do it.
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lmao proud sometimes you get so caught up in your fake online personas you actually start to believe you're an expert. Hoth tier stuff honestly.

Every fucking patch of grass in urban CA gets built upon, regulations aren't stopping anything. If you were actually from CA you'd see how much places like DTLA or Koreatown have changed in the last decade because of all the construction.

The problem is that LA grew by sprawl and all those homeowners have enormous political power to oppose more construction in their areas.

And which party do you think the vast majority of those home owners and politicians belong to? Especially the ones who are signing the legislation and enforcing the regulations. Which party are they overwhelmingly representing?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

And which party do you think the vast majority of those home owners

Half the state is Republican or unaffiliated. Playing pretend Californian on an internet message board does not make you an expert buddy.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And which party do you think the vast majority of those home owners

Half the state is Republican or unaffiliated. Playing pretend Californian on an internet message board does not make you an expert buddy.

I lived in California for a year and have visited numerous times. I currently live in Chicago.

The vast majority of the people who are blocking construction from really taking flight in California are leftists. Prove me wrong and I'll become a Democrat!
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I'd want to leave that shitty state too, but if I was in any of the other 49 I'd be scared for them to move to my home state.
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"I'm the one making a stupid fucking claim, prove me wrong!" Not how it works buddy.

Build stuff in the bay area, I wonder why no one has thought of that before????



Oh, right.

CA was built on sprawl and most of these homeowners don't want high rises going up next to them. You're so desperate to inject politics into everything.

Kombucha posted...

i wonder if something like this would be enough to drive real estate prices down in california.

I think even if 49% of people left, the housing market would still be at near capacity.

This state has ass backwards priorities.
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bye...
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Consider =/= planning what a shitty title

theAteam posted...

Oh man if half the people moved away this place would go from arguably the best state to definitely the best state.

Lmfao
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And which party do you think the vast majority of those home owners

Half the state is Republican or unaffiliated. Playing pretend Californian on an internet message board does not make you an expert buddy.

I lived in California for a year and have visited numerous times. I currently live in Chicago.

The vast majority of the people who are blocking construction from really taking flight in California are leftists. Prove me wrong and I'll become a Democrat!

You lived in Santa Monica during an internship. Hardly what I would call a Californian

CruelBuffalo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And which party do you think the vast majority of those home owners

Half the state is Republican or unaffiliated. Playing pretend Californian on an internet message board does not make you an expert buddy.

I lived in California for a year and have visited numerous times. I currently live in Chicago.

The vast majority of the people who are blocking construction from really taking flight in California are leftists. Prove me wrong and I'll become a Democrat!

You lived in Santa Monica during an internship. Hardly what I would call a Californian

Lived in Sacramento for a little over half a year and then Los Angeles for half a year. (Marina Del Rey, not Santa Monica. Although I did go to Santa Monica quite often since it was so nice)
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LOL so many triggered liberals itt
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Id leave if not for the fact that its the best state.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The worst part about all these Californians leaving

do you have data supporting this?

the sources i've found by googling 'california population by year' show that it's increased every year for a really long time:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-population-in-california/

and from what i've pieced together using US census data, it's grown from 2016 - 2017

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/geo/chart/CA/PST045216#viewtop
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ASithLord7 posted...

The conservative hate-boner for CA on this board is so great.

Wait... I genuinely thought people were saying "good" so that living in the area would be affordable.
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MrPeppers posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

The conservative hate-boner for CA on this board is so great.

Wait... I genuinely thought people were saying "good" so that living in the area would be affordable.

I could be wrong but I believe he was talking about all the statements it gets like:

fenderbender321 posted...

Go form your own country, California. Stay out of the rest of the Western half of North America. Don't pollute other areas with your awful way of life and big government high tax loving ways.

Specifically the bolded. That's why I quoted him in agreement at least.

There's a ton wrong with California but the most common thing I hear is "everyone's liberal and for government regulation and wants you to be allowed to spread AIDs without punishment".

Which is just laughably wrong but it still happens in almost every topic. Aside from fender and @voldothegr8 saying stupid shit though this topics been pretty reasonable and on topic so far.

Fender pretty much admitted he's jealous already and vold just seems miserable anytime he posts when he's not laughing at liberals.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The worst part about all these Californians leaving

do you have data supporting this?

the sources i've found by googling 'california population by year' show that it's increased every year for a really long time:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-population-in-california/

and from what i've pieced together using US census data, it's grown from 2016 - 2017

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/geo/chart/CA/PST045216#viewtop

idk what the net population numbers are, but it's documented that people are leaving california for other tech hubs

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/Bay-Area-residents-moving-Austin-Texas-relocating-11284819.php

http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-life/12-2-16-californians-moving-to-austin-census-data/
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

but it's documented that people are leaving california for other tech hubs

so some people are leaving, but more people are entering. is that a fair assessment?

compared to the tech folk that are leaving, do you have numbers to show the ones entering? people leaving, even within a specific sector/workforce doesn't mean a lot if larger numbers are arriving, right? do you have numbers or figures for the overall population of the tech workforce?
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and full disclosure: i actually would love to move back. California was amazing. I loved both Sacramento and Los Angeles. I'd love to live in both for a longer period of time. Right now I'm happy in Chicago though, and I'm making a good living. But California is a great state, especially if you have money.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

but it's documented that people are leaving california for other tech hubs

so some people are leaving, but more people are entering. is that a fair assessment?

somewhat

http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/31/the-population-flight-from-california-ca

california lost 1 million people in a little over a decade. people do move TO california, but i'd be interested in seeing what the long-term trend is. especially once their funding issues become apparent
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

but it's documented that people are leaving california for other tech hubs

so some people are leaving, but more people are entering. is that a fair assessment?

Correct. Having some satellite offices in Denver and Austin is not the same as moving HQs. Housing prices is a major concern though.

I hope they start taxing foreign people who buy homes outside the state at a higher rate for property taxes and try to eliminate the loopholes that surround that.

CruelBuffalo posted...

I hope they start taxing foreign people who buy homes outside the state at a higher rate for property taxes and try to eliminate the loopholes that surround that.

What would be the consequences to California's tax revenue if they did that?
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Rather live in La than NYC, must more higher cost of living and dealing with the snows!
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The worst part about all these Californians leaving

do you have data supporting this?

the sources i've found by googling 'california population by year' show that it's increased every year for a really long time:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206097/resident-population-in-california/

and from what i've pieced together using US census data, it's grown from 2016 - 2017

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/geo/chart/CA/PST045216#viewtop

It is American citizens that are leaving.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

I hope they start taxing foreign people who buy homes outside the state at a higher rate for property taxes and try to eliminate the loopholes that surround that.

What would be the consequences to California's tax revenue if they did that?

if those homes are instead purchased by people who actually live in them instead of investors who leave them vacant, it would at least remain constant, if not grow, right? property taxes are paid regardless of whether someone lives there and if someone is living there, they'll spend money on local goods and services which should generate more tax revenue, etc.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

I hope they start taxing foreign people who buy homes outside the state at a higher rate for property taxes and try to eliminate the loopholes that surround that.

What would be the consequences to California's tax revenue if they did that?

This is a non-econ major speaking so I'm probably ignorant, but my hunch is if we start actually taxing and preventing foreign buyers from buying up California properties it would lower home prices, this would hurt actual Californians who bought their homes as investment properties and they would get mad...so we're stuck

Either housing prices come down and people lose their investment.....or we deal with having extremely high home prices.

*JUST BUILD MORE*

I agree we need to continue building, but there is no way you can build enough to have a bunch of new ones enter the market and not affect the prices of people's initial investment.

Basically NIMBYs don't want their home prices to go down because it's their investment and it sucks hard. I'm not smart enough to solve that one

Giant_Aspirin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

I hope they start taxing foreign people who buy homes outside the state at a higher rate for property taxes and try to eliminate the loopholes that surround that.

What would be the consequences to California's tax revenue if they did that?

if those homes are instead purchased by people who actually live in them instead of investors who leave them vacant, it would at least remain constant, if not grow, right? property taxes are paid regardless of whether someone lives there and if someone is living there, they'll spend money on local goods and services which should generate more tax revenue, etc.

But you have to think about the effects on the net investment into Californian property. If a lot of the current purchases are made by people abroad who are intending to hold and resell, then that move could end up stunting tax revenue.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

The problem is that LA grew by sprawl and all those homeowners have enormous political power to oppose more construction in their areas.

This is a big part of the problem, for sure. It seems that no matter where a project is proposed-- from high-density apartments around Los Angeles mass transit corridors, to tract-housing in Conservative-friendly suburbs-- nobody wants new development in their backyard. Housing is approved (or not) at a very local level, by citizen-lead planning commissions and city councils. The blame can't be placed on any one political party.

At the same time though, the NIMBYs aren't totally wrong. There are areas of the state that are permanently gridlocked, where the freeways haven't been properly funded for decades, where you would need to build in excess of 22 lanes today just to beat the induced demand (see the 91 freeway). As high as construction costs (and corresponding new home prices) are, they still don't come close to pricing in all the externalities absorbed by older communities.

The demand to live here is just too high and for every person who decides to leave there are two more willing to make difficult sacrifices to come here.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Either housing prices come down and people lose their investment.....or we deal with having extremely high home prices.

*JUST BUILD MORE*

I agree we need to continue building, but there is no way you can build enough to have a bunch of new ones enter the market and not affect the prices of people's initial investment.

Basically NIMBYs don't want their home prices to go down because it's their investment and it sucks hard. I'm not smart enough to solve that one

It's time to tell them to fuck off. If the only reason your asset is valuable is because you have a monopoly over it, your wealth is an illusion and you deserve to get it slapped out of your hands so that others can have a chance too.

If more construction was allowed in California's most densely packed cities, I'd quit my job and move there immediately to partake in what would be one of the most lucrative construction booms we've ever seen.
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If California isn't cool enough for James Hetfield anymore, it ain't cool for ANYONE.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

but it's documented that people are leaving california for other tech hubs

so some people are leaving, but more people are entering. is that a fair assessment?

somewhat

http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/31/the-population-flight-from-california-ca

california lost 1 million people in a little over a decade. people do move TO california, but i'd be interested in seeing what the long-term trend is. especially once their funding issues become apparent

It would also be interesting to see how many tax payers left and how many net tax consumers arrived. Cultural enrichment isnt free.
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Im still waiting for the ones that said theyd leave the US if Trump was elected

Seaman_Prime posted...

Im still waiting for the ones that said theyd leave the US if Trump was elected

I'd say it's the same number that were crying this 10 years ago when Obama was elected.
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As someone who lives in Oregon and has been screwed over royally from rent hikes:

Californians can fuck off. Go elsewhere.
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MrPeppers posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

The conservative hate-boner for CA on this board is so great.

Wait... I genuinely thought people were saying "good" so that living in the area would be affordable.

That's certainly what I'm saying, even though Californians are assholes. At the same time, there are many towns out in the midwest with unemployment so low they keep raising their workers' wages to keep them from quitting because there literally aren't enough people to fill all of the open positions. That's great for workers until the companies can no longer afford to stagnate and may pack up and move somewhere more populated. This can EASILY solve two problems at once.

Annihilated posted...

MrPeppers posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

The conservative hate-boner for CA on this board is so great.

Wait... I genuinely thought people were saying "good" so that living in the area would be affordable.

That's certainly what I'm saying, even though Californians are assholes. At the same time, there are many towns out in the midwest with unemployment so low they keep raising their workers' wages to keep them from quitting because there literally aren't enough people to fill all of the open positions. That's great for workers until the companies can no longer afford to stagnate and may pack up and move somewhere more populated. This can EASILY solve two problems at once.

I think this is being exaggerated. There are many jobs out there right now but I doubt the trend is the way you describe. >_>
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fenderbender321 posted...

Go form your own country, California. Stay out of the rest of the Western half of North America. Don't pollute other areas with your awful way of life and big government high tax loving ways.

People live in the hellish no mans land between CA and the east?

I heard it's devoid of intelligent life much like Mars.
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MrPeppers posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

The conservative hate-boner for CA on this board is so great.

Wait... I genuinely thought people were saying "good" so that living in the area would be affordable.

I was referring to the TC even making this topic, and just the general attitude here really.
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Yeah, TC making this topic is definitely the reason people aren't taking this seriously. Dude is partisan af
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