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Broseph_Stalin
03/29/18 10:11:41 PM
#153:


@darkstar4221 posted...
That guy Broseph_Stalin lives in a bubble. It's not just the cost of living and low job opportunities that is a problem in California. A lot of people here are ***holes, California ranks #1 in hate crimes. The environment in many neighborhoods is toxic. SoCal is really just one large urban sprawl with no culture. I would say NorthCal has some culture, but the cost of living there is unbearable. It's really a sad state, but then again this is just from my experience living in San Diego, I've rarely been to NorthCal.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/18/california-is-no-1-haven-for-hate-groups-report-says.html


Looks like you struggle with statistical analysis like Nomadic does. It's really shocking how many people on CE don't understand middle school math but it might explain some of the political views that are popular here.

CA is the largest state in the union and will generally have the most of everything. For example, It has eight times the population of Alabama but only three times as many hate groups according to that study. Total numbers are irrelevant.

And saying LA has no culture is too stupid to actually respond to, stop posting.
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 4:26:04 AM
#154:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
CA is the largest state in the union and will generally have the most of everything. For example, It has eight times the population of Alabama but only three times as many hate groups according to that study. Total numbers are irrelevant.

And saying LA has no culture is too stupid to actually respond to, stop posting.


I like how you spin things as if hate crimes is nothing to be concerned about, it's just simply an issue of population. Even though people in this topic who live in California and criticize California, you seem to seem to ignore that. The fact is job opportunities in California is one of the lowest in the country, and what's worse is that cost of living is possibly the highest in the country (compare gas prices in Cali to other states and you will see). That combination alone will drive people insane. Yes it's true California ranks as the worst state to do business which for some reason you deny, that's why many business are leaving California, and the only job opportunities you will see are chain restaurants and retail stores. That is what's happening in San Diego, I know first hand.

https://www.ocregister.com/2016/05/19/survey-california-still-worst-state-for-business/

As for SoCal not having a culture, I live in San Diego, and SD has no culture. It's basically urban sprawl with a tad touch of Mexico-lite. As for L.A having a culture, what Hollywood? All the celebrities who live there? lol, maybe you see those celebrities at Malibu or seem them at a club (if you think that's culture than you are an idiot). The houses here some of the overpriced and ugliest crap you will ever see, what's worse is that these houses are right next to traffic. Ever seen the movie "Friday" I've seen many of those types of houses in SoCal.

Explain this, why is that homeless is rising in California, but in other states such as Florid and Texas, it's decreasing?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/us/california-today-states-homeless-population-drives-national-increase.html

There is nothing that backs up your statistics, while all the people who criticize California can back up their claims of what a ****hole this state is, and it's not just statistics that back them up, it's real life experience, which you discredit. And I'm not even getting into our educational system here in Cali which is by far one of the worst in the country.
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cerealbox760
03/30/18 4:46:07 AM
#155:


I hope California falls flat on its face because I will be buying houses at bargain prices and retire by coastline.

California's biggest problem is the lack of housing. A shortage of supply is a better problem to have than a lack of demand. Nimbyism and old traditionalists shut down development and millennials are getting fed up. Its only a matter of time until something happens. Nothing is ever permanent.

And Texas is great. But if you have money, Cali is better.
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Awakened_Link
03/30/18 5:01:07 AM
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I live in AZ and I've met tons of native Californians who have moved here for various reasons.

My boyfriend and I go to San Diego every few mons to visit his family. It's beautiful and the weather is perfect, but I'm not sure if I'd like to live there.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 5:11:38 AM
#157:


@darkstar4221 posted...
Broseph_Stalin posted...
CA is the largest state in the union and will generally have the most of everything. For example, It has eight times the population of Alabama but only three times as many hate groups according to that study. Total numbers are irrelevant.

And saying LA has no culture is too stupid to actually respond to, stop posting.


I like how you spin things as if hate crimes is nothing to be concerned about, it's just simply an issue of population. Even though people in this topic who live in California and criticize California, you seem to seem to ignore that. The fact is job opportunities in California is one of the lowest in the country, and what's worse is that cost of living is possibly the highest in the country (compare gas prices in Cali to other states and you will see). That combination alone will drive people insane. Yes it's true California ranks as the worst state to do business which for some reason you deny, that's why many business are leaving California, and the only job opportunities you will see are chain restaurants and retail stores. That is what's happening in San Diego, I know first hand.

https://www.ocregister.com/2016/05/19/survey-california-still-worst-state-for-business/

As for SoCal not having a culture, I live in San Diego, and SD has no culture. It's basically urban sprawl with a tad touch of Mexico-lite. As for L.A having a culture, what Hollywood? All the celebrities who live there? lol, maybe you see those celebrities at Malibu or seem them at a club (if you think that's culture than you are an idiot). The houses here some of the overpriced and ugliest crap you will ever see, what's worse is that these houses are right next to traffic. Ever seen the movie "Friday" I've seen many of those types of houses in SoCal.

Explain this, why is that homeless is rising in California, but in other states such as Florid and Texas, it's decreasing?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/us/california-today-states-homeless-population-drives-national-increase.html

There is nothing that backs up your statistics, while all the people who criticize California can back up their claims of what a ****hole this state is, and it's not just statistics that back them up, it's real life experience, which you discredit. And I'm not even getting into our educational system here in Cali which is by far one of the worst in the country.


How long have you lived in San Diego?

What area?
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 5:16:39 AM
#158:


@darkstar4221 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
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That guy Broseph_Stalin lives in a bubble. It's not just the cost of living and low job opportunities that is a problem in California. A lot of people here are ***holes, California ranks #1 in hate crimes. The environment in many neighborhoods is toxic. SoCal is really just one large urban sprawl with no culture. I would say NorthCal has some culture, but the cost of living there is unbearable. It's really a sad state, but then again this is just from my experience living in San Diego, I've rarely been to NorthCal.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/18/california-is-no-1-haven-for-hate-groups-report-says.html


Can you source the bolded as well? That garbage link you included isn't even talking about hate crimes. It's talking about hate groups...

Also I'm a San Diego native. Please state what neighborhoods you're talking about. I've been here for 28 years now so I'm familiar with everything from the top of Del Mar to the end of Alpine and down south to the border. So please be specific with these toxic neighborhoods.

Parts of what you said in your posts are true, we have no culture, just a huge mix of different cultures blended together. The problem is a lot of other shit you're saying sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
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Cal12
03/30/18 5:20:15 AM
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Taxes there seem pretty brutal but sheer size and population obviously had a dramatic effect on crime rate and things like hate crime. Having the most hate crimes doesnt mean statistically they have the worst percentage of hate crimes. It just means a lot of people live there so proportionally its higher naturally. My state of Massachusetts actually has the highest hate crime rate. Amazing considering its usually considered one of the most liberal states in the country.

The politics are also idiotic. Passing a law that labels virtually every product a cancer threat seems quite absurd.
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 5:31:09 AM
#160:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Can you source the bolded as well? That garbage link you included isn't even talking about hate crimes. It's talking about hate groups...

Also I'm a San Diego native. Please state what neighborhoods you're talking about. I've been here for 28 years now so I'm familiar with everything from the top of Del Mar to the end of Alpine and down south to the border. So please be specific with these toxic neighborhoods.

Parts of what you said in your posts are true, we have no culture, just a huge mix of different cultures blended together. The problem is a lot of other shit you're saying sounds like a bunch of bullshit.


Here is something more local, considering I've met lot of rude people in San Diego, it's not far off. You are coming across as one of them
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Report-Shows-Hate-Crimes-Are-Rising-Across-San-Diego-County-432327073.html

Study: San Diego seventh worst city for building wealth
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/economy/sd-fi-bankrate-study-20161024-story.html

Regarding the so called culture in San Diego. It's not a mix of any culture (well it's more Mexican) considering I see Asians, Mexicans, whites, and blacks often fighting each other, or often not mingling. It's really just an urban sprawl, nothing really exciting, well we have beaches right? I've seen schools where like 80% of the students are Mexicans, I've seen terrible neighborhoods in National City and University Avenue, extremely ghetto. People who are extremely hostile. San Diego is not as friendly as it once was. My high school experience was similar to the 1995 film Dangerous Minds (literally) except it missed out the Asians gangs and cliques.

If you are going to be an ahole just because you are defending San Diego, don't bother arguing with me. And considering all the negativity real here about California, yes San Diego is part of it. And no I'm not full bull****, it's from my experience. You're the one who is full of bull**** if you think SD is all good. Yes I know it's hard for you to believe there are people who hate San Diego. I have no problem with people who like Cali, L.A San Diego, etc, but when you start attacking somebody just because they criticize Cali, then it's getting out of hand.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 5:42:32 AM
#161:


@darkstar4221 How long have you lived here? Why didn't you answer that question?

National city is mostly Mexicans, yes that's correct. As is Chula Vista. University Avenue runs forever. I'm guessing you're talking about the portion in national city?

Alright, about 3% of the city has been covered. Now tell me about Rancho Bernardo, La Jolla, Clairmont, Mira Mesa, Poway, La Mesa, Del Mar, Sorento Valley, Ocean Beach, Pacific Beach, Santee, Grossmont, Spring Valley, Bonita, Eastlake, Otay Ranch.

Shall we go on? How about Rancho San Diego, El Cajon, Lakeside, Hillcrest, Old town, North Park, Westview, Torrey Pines, Scripps Ranch, Vista, Lemon Grove.

We could keep going bro.

And about the link, we know that hatecrimes have raised across the nation over the last two years. Can you show me a graph in comparison to other states because everything I can find including the FBI statistics show that California is in the middle, about average.

So once again, how long have you been here? How much have you even experienced here. You sound like you've been here for like two years and never leave the house.

If we come across as rude it's probably because we can smell bullshit a mile away and you fucking reek of it bro.
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Kineth
03/30/18 5:47:48 AM
#162:


Excuse me @Zeeak4444, but what did you mean by "someone like Kineth" in that post I quoted here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76408998/898702072
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 5:49:44 AM
#163:


Kineth posted...
Excuse me @Zeeak4444, but what did you mean by "someone like Kineth" in that post I quoted here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76408998/898702072


It was an opinion post as opposed to the statistics broseph posted.

I was just saying it's easier to attack someones opinion the way he did than it is to argue with the data presented.

Wasn't meant to be a jab at you or anything if that's how it ended up coming off.
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 5:59:41 AM
#164:


Zeeak4444 posted...
@darkstar4221 How long have you lived here? Why didn't you answer that question?

National city is mostly Mexicans, yes that's correct. As is Chula Vista. University Avenue runs forever. I'm guessing you're talking about the portion in national city?

Alright, about 3% of the city has been covered. Now tell me about Rancho Bernardo, La Jolla, Clairmont, Mira Mesa, Poway, La Mesa, Del Mar, Sorento Valley, Ocean Beach, Pacific Beach, Santee, Grossmont, Spring Valley, Bonita, Eastlake, Otay Ranch.

Shall we go on? How about Rancho San Diego, El Cajon, Lakeside, Hillcrest, Old town, North Park, Westview, Torrey Pines, Scripps Ranch, Vista, Lemon Grove.

We could keep going bro.

And about the link, we know that hatecrimes have raised across the nation over the last two years. Can you show me a graph in comparison to other states because everything I can find including the FBI statistics show that California is in the middle, about average.

So once again, how long have you been here? How much have you even experienced here. You sound like you've been here for like two years and never leave the house.

If we come across as rude it's probably because we can smell bullshit a mile away and you fucking reek of it bro.


I don't bullshit, I don't make shit up, I've lived here for 27 years (I am 27 years old) I am leaving this state by the end of the year. You're just California bias, will let me tell you ahole, this topic isn't exactly praising California, but you want to defend Cali because people have an issue with this state, by all means you will lose this argument.

Here is some comments regarding San Diego
https://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/california-459213.asp

California is racist, not in your face, it's more hidden though. Los Angeles and San Diego are heavily segregated racially and socio economically. Racial tensions are very high in some parts of the state, Hispanics are racist against Blacks and Whites, Whites are racist against blacks, Asians are racist against Hispanics, etc. This may be a liberal utopia to outsiders, but for those of us who actually live here, we know about the racial situation. Most of us won't talk about it openly of course, when you live in such a diverse place you have to keep your negative views about other races hidden behind closed doors with family or friends.


It is very racist in San Diego, even though I have degrees and certifications it remains very difficult for me to obtain suitable employment. It is no secret that most medical jobs here in San Diego ask for those who are bilingual which is almost always those who are not black. It is a shame that you cannot live in certain places in San Diego either, I have tried to live here but it is very hard if you want to make progress in your life. I am not a racist individual, I hope that people will someday re-frame from their fears about blacks doing as good or better than themselves in life.P.S. I hate San Diego California with a passion.


Are you saying what others have said about San Diego is wrong? And I've experienced plenty of discrimination, hostile people, etc. It's not friendly as it once was. The criticism is not just the people, but the high cost of living, terrible looking neighborhoods, terrible traffic, very low job opportunities, etc.

You are wrong about National City it's not just Mexicans, there are Asians too.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 6:12:06 AM
#165:


"California is #1 in hate crimes. I can't prove it, and I've only offered two links now which don't prove it, but I'm not bullshitting".
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 6:25:23 AM
#166:


Zeeak4444 posted...
"California is #1 in hate crimes. I can't prove it, and I've only offered two links now which don't prove it, but I'm not bullshitting".


Okay you are now nitpicking about hate crimes when I'm talking about California in general. Honestly I heard about this is argument somewhere else. Someone argued that California is not racist because of the diversity of different ethnic groups that lived here, and someone countered back that California is ranked #1 in hate crimes, but even not mentioning the hate crimes, there is a lot of aholes in San Diego such as yourself. Like I said before San Diego isn't friendly as it once was. And I'm talking about things from my own experience, I don't really need stats to back up, even though they do. Yes the schools here are terrible, yes there are a lot of hostile people in San Diego (and I am frequently encountering them more often) the homeless rate is increasing in San Diego which I pretty sure you are now seeing more of. Also it's a police-state here, every time I drive to work or school someone is getting arrested.
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Kineth
03/30/18 6:26:36 AM
#167:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Kineth posted...
Excuse me @ Zeeak4444, but what did you mean by "someone like Kineth" in that post I quoted here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76408998/898702072


It was an opinion post as opposed to the statistics broseph posted.

I was just saying it's easier to attack someones opinion the way he did than it is to argue with the data presented.

Wasn't meant to be a jab at you or anything if that's how it ended up coming off.


Ah, ok. I wasn't really sure because it could be read more than one way. That clears it up and yeah you're right.
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JBaLLEN66
03/30/18 6:37:28 AM
#168:


Good! Please go to bfe Kansas because I would love to switch with you. However, I do understand that people want to leave their home state and try something new.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 4:07:35 PM
#170:


Kineth posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Kineth posted...
Excuse me @ Zeeak4444, but what did you mean by "someone like Kineth" in that post I quoted here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76408998/898702072


It was an opinion post as opposed to the statistics broseph posted.

I was just saying it's easier to attack someones opinion the way he did than it is to argue with the data presented.

Wasn't meant to be a jab at you or anything if that's how it ended up coming off.


Ah, ok. I wasn't really sure because it could be read more than one way. That clears it up and yeah you're right.


Yeah I didn't think about that until you pointed it out. My bad about that.

shockthemonkey posted...
I like how the dude crying that everyone is a jerk keeps calling everyone else names. Really makes it seem like its not a coincidence that people are mean to him.


I also like how he makes bold claims he can't back up then switches over to "well instead in my experience it's a police state!!"

No wonder he's all about the foxnews links. Dude just admitted he parroted something he heard someone say, cause fuck statistics right?

Fwiw I didn't comment on his "feelings" because I have an uncountable amount of others who contradict what he says, from the engineers from out of state to the people I know personally. Everyone's got an opinion, I just hope he finds whatever hardcore conservative town he's looking for.

Shit like "asians, whites, blacks, and Mexicans are always fighting and never hanging out together" and all that bullshit. Dude must never get out much around San Diego, that or he brings it on himself with his personality towards other people.
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Balrog0
03/30/18 4:16:52 PM
#171:


thank you, State Senator Scott Wiener, for forcing these NIMBYs to allow development near rail and bus stations
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 7:06:04 PM
#172:


I like how the dude crying that everyone is a jerk keeps calling everyone else names. Really makes it seem like its not a coincidence that people are mean to him.


The guy was hostile towards me so I responded back hostile, and he was hostile from the get go. As a matter fact people in this topic who defend California are hostile because those critize/don't like the state, their counter arguments "nah California is the greatest state in the world", **** you. As if criticizing California is personal, lol.

Zeeak4444 posted...
I also like how he makes bold claims he can't back up then switches over to "well instead in my experience it's a police state!!"

I gave you a link that hate crimes is increasing in San Diego, I gave you a link that job opportunities in San Diego are one of the lowest in the country (this applies to California in general), I gave you a link that homelessness was increasing in San Diego. Maybe it's not technically rated #1 in hate crimes, the first link I gave you rated California #1 in hate groups. People brush it off as California being large, when that's clearly not the case.

If you want me to give you those links again, I will.

Zeeak4444 posted...
No wonder he's all about the foxnews links. Dude just admitted he parroted something he heard someone say, cause f*** statistics right

If I didn't live here, then you would have a point. The fact that I live here and judge things from my own experience, I can relate to those statistics.

Zeeak4444 posted...
Fwiw I didn't comment on his "feelings" because I have an uncountable amount of others who contradict what he says, from the engineers from out of state to the people I know personally. Everyone's got an opinion, I just hope he finds whatever hardcore conservative town he's looking for.

And I know a lot of people who hate this city, who hate San Diego who had a terrible experience here. It goes both ways, I can understand the charm, but the high cost of living, terrible traffic, the lack of economic mobility, and my experience living here, it's just way too much. It has nothing to with conservative or liberalism, it's just some people such as myself need a new environment, of course the high cost of living and low job opportunities is the deciding factor combined with all the other things. Let me ask you this if California is all good, why is homelessness increasing in California (and San Diego), why are businesses leaving the state, why is it constantly ranked #1 as the worst state to do business?

s*** like "asians, whites, blacks, and Mexicans are always fighting and never hanging out together" and all that bulls***. Dude must never get out much around San Diego, that or he brings it on himself with his personality towards other people.


None of what I say is bull*** because I've seen it first hand. What you never saw violence at all in San Diego? Now that is bull***. There is a reason why hate crimes are increasing in San Diego. The high school I grew up in, I've seen Asian cliques and gangs, Mexicans cliques and gangs, I've seen violence Asians fighting whites, whites against blacks, etc. I grew up in neighborhoods, where neighbors don't even talk to each other. Nah I don't think it's my personality, it's just that I need a new environment this place has warn out my welcome. The fact that you are hostile towards me just proves my point. You, yourself can't prove that SD is a great city. I don't care if you like San Diego, its not a big deal, but you are making a big deal about this, I don't know why.
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Damn_Underscore
03/30/18 7:20:47 PM
#173:


California is such a big state but people only want to live in a few parts of it

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cerealbox760
03/30/18 7:23:04 PM
#174:


Damn_Underscore posted...
California is such a big state but people only want to live in a few parts of it

kvnN2Z4

That's true nationwide.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 7:39:08 PM
#175:


cerealbox760 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
California is such a big state but people only want to live in a few parts of it

kvnN2Z4

That's true nationwide.


Almost everything that's been said is true nation wide. You're obviously gonna find your cliques you enjoy and likely stay close to them.

That's why it's laughable hearing half this shit.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 7:44:13 PM
#176:


Also here you go @darkstar4221

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-12

Next time you wanna talk about this stuff you can just use the actual statistics from now on.

For the record you're absolutely right about the volume of hate crimes, I just wish you actually looked into that shit yourself since you seem to care so much.

Also for the record you can see population does matter. We're about average % wise based on what's been reporting.

You won't get so much hostility if you actually do this stuff yourself next time.
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FFVII_REMAKE
03/30/18 7:48:55 PM
#177:


Makes sense considering a 1br1ba home is norcal is at least $500K.
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cerealbox760
03/30/18 8:02:13 PM
#178:


Balrog0 posted...
thank you, State Senator Scott Wiener, for forcing these NIMBYs to allow development near rail and bus stations

Do not celebrate yet. LA opposed housing bill 827.

https://la.curbed.com/2018/3/27/17166122/housing-bill-density-california-los-angeles-opposition
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 8:14:55 PM
#179:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Also here you go @darkstar4221

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-12

Next time you wanna talk about this stuff you can just use the actual statistics from now on.

For the record you're absolutely right about the volume of hate crimes, I just wish you actually looked into that shit yourself since you seem to care so much.

Also for the record you can see population does matter. We're about average % wise based on what's been reporting.

You won't get so much hostility if you actually do this stuff yourself next time.


This topic is about California in general, not so much about the hate crimes. Your pinpointing about the hate crimes, I was talking about all the other issues of California. It's not just an issue of just population, it's also the vibe here, just a lot of people here are jerks and aholes. You combine the other factors high cost of living, terrible traffic, terrible schools, etc it exacerbates the problems the problem.
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Broseph_Stalin
03/30/18 8:16:17 PM
#180:


darkstar4221 posted...
This topic is about California in general, not so much about the hate crimes.


You are the only person ITT who brought up hate crimes.
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Zeeak4444
03/30/18 8:16:54 PM
#181:


I was just letting you know why I attacked you in the first place. I'd prefer if more people did their own legwork and didn't make claims while giving terrible sources that don't support the claims.

I've said many times I'm not trying to attack your opinions. You feel how you feel.
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 8:47:29 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
darkstar4221 posted...
This topic is about California in general, not so much about the hate crimes.


You are the only person ITT who brought up hate crimes.


You yourself deny that 49% Californians want to leave the state, even though there are people who live in California posting in this topic who hate this state. Now will all of them leave the state? Probably not, the fact they want to leave the state says a lot about California. All this talk about California economy being the 8th largest in the world, highest GDP in the country, it certainly doesn't feel like it.

Zeeak4444 posted...
I was just letting you know why I attacked you in the first place. I'd prefer if more people did their own legwork and didn't make claims while giving terrible sources that don't support the claims.

I've said many times I'm not trying to attack your opinions. You feel how you feel.


Like I said before I heard it from this from another argument. Someone mentioned that there is no racism in California because of all the different ethnic groups living here, and someone argued back that California is ranked #1 in hate crimes, even though I didn't pinpoint the exact statistics, the point it's not all peachy here, far from it. I've also heard that homelessness is increasing in California while other states such as Florida and Texas homelessness is decreasing. I looked it up and that turned out to be true, granted California isn't the only state where homelessness is increasing. I don't know why you keep mentioning the hate crime statistics when you argue about other issues particularity the people here in San Diego, as if you never saw violence in San Diego which is BS.
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Broseph_Stalin
03/30/18 9:22:16 PM
#183:


You are a walking logical fallacy holy shit
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8-bit_Biceps
03/30/18 9:25:42 PM
#184:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Hmm I wonder if this survey is BS or 20 million Californians are planning to move, what could it be???


Lol reminds me of the time Trump said Hillary was going to let 600 million immigrants into the country.
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darkstar4221
03/30/18 9:53:05 PM
#185:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
You are a walking logical fallacy holy shit


Fallacy? You think those that criticize California and it's economy are neo-nazis or associated with the right-wing. That right there is a fallacy.

You talk about how great the California economy is yet home ownership in California is one of the lowest in the country, and it's homelessness rate is increasing. I wonder if the the high rent/housing costs, lack of job opportunities, are connected to the increase in homelessness rate. That right there doesn't sound like a healthy economy.
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bloodydeath0
03/31/18 9:19:16 AM
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Lol just like everyone said they were going to move to Canada if trump won
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Damn_Underscore
03/31/18 9:37:17 AM
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cerealbox760 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
California is such a big state but people only want to live in a few parts of it

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That's true nationwide.


That's true, but it becomes a problem (traffic, cost of housing, job availability, etc.) when your state has 40 million people.

I understand that people want to live near the ocean, but there's no reason why there are no major coastal cities between Los Angeles and the Bay Area, or north of San Francisco.
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darkstar4221
03/31/18 10:03:54 AM
#189:


shockthemonkey posted...
...dude are you ok?


Are you okay? You want to start an argument with me?

Here is the statistics on home-ownership in Cali.
http://journal.firsttuesday.us/californias-rate-of-homeownership-2/30161/
Californias homeownership rate is historically around 10 percentage points below the national homeownership rate (at 64.2% as of Q4 2017). This is due to a combination of factors, including the lesser impact the national policy of pushing the American Dream of homeownership has had on more mobile Californians.

The issue of homeless people in California.
http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/mar/27/travis-allen/has-californias-homeless-population-skyrocketed-an/
The HUD report lists Californias total homeless population at 134,278. Thats about one quarter of the national homeless population of 553,742

The lack of job opportunists in California is obvious since the government bumped up the minimum wage to $10.00 an hour, not to mention the fact that California is one of the most expensive states to do businesses. Every-time the government artificially increases overhead costs when an employer hires somebody, employers will hire less. You go to your local Wal-mart, Target, Ross, Ralphs etc look at the check-out lanes, there is a lot less of them. There is like 10 checkout lanes and only 5 them are being used, that's because of the minimum wage. It's just not the minimum wage, but payroll taxes, sales taxes, environmental regulations, they all drive up cost for companies to do business in California. You combine with that with surging rent/housing prices, as well as energy prices, and expensive restaurant prices (California has one of the most expensive restaurant cost in the nation), does California sound like the 8th largest economy in the world? Now why are houses expensive in Cali? I don't know about, but it has to do with land regulations such zoning laws, smart growth policies, I don't know too much about that.

It's not a coincidence that 49% of Californians want to leave the state, it's not just economic issues, it's personal issues too, because who knows what type of drama people go through in their own lives living in Cali.
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iPhone_7
03/31/18 10:07:17 AM
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This is as legit as those polls near election time with people saying they plan to leave the country if it doesnt go their way.
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ItsYourFault
03/31/18 2:22:49 PM
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E32005 posted...
bye...
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darkstar4221
03/31/18 3:37:58 PM
#193:


shockthemonkey posted...
But at least this time you didnt try to argue that there are race wars going on.


Heavy regulations and high taxes is what's driving businesses out of California that is just facts. I'm not going to talk about single every tax and every regulation. Regarding race wars, I'm not saying California is racist, but there is a lot of discrimination that goes on here, lots of aholes too. Let me guess, none of what I say is true, California is fine 8th largest economy in the world, greatest state to live in right? You don't know really say much, because I don't know where you stand on the issues regarding California.
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r4X0r
03/31/18 3:47:29 PM
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The problem is that they leave California because it's too liberal, too corrupt and too heavily taxed, move somewhere else and vote for the exact same policies that drove them out of California.
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darkstar4221
03/31/18 3:48:56 PM
#196:


shockthemonkey posted...
Every time you start one of these let me guess rants you sound like a weirdo.


You do realize you're picking up where Zeeak4444 and Broseph_Stalin left off right? Now that is weird. What's weird is that you can't even explain yourself, so I have to "guess" where you stand on the issues regarding California. The only one who sounds like a weirdo here is you.
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TheVipaGTS
03/31/18 3:56:32 PM
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I didnt read the full topic but Im going to guess that the majority of the posts in here are something along the lines of urgh I hate Cali because liberals and shit so its no surprise from people who have never been to Cali and their only experience with Cali is from FoxNews, Infowars and movies that take place in LA?
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Bad_Mojo
03/31/18 4:07:11 PM
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darkstar4221
03/31/18 4:10:20 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
What if you stop trying to care where I stand and instead stop flaming everyone who doesnt agree wholeheartedly with every one of your posts?


I wasn't flaming you until you called me a weirdo. You took a shot at me I took at you therefore you can't complain when I insult you back. Regarding the other two, their arguments were "California is great, if anyone doesn't think so I will curse and be hostile". I don't care where you stand on the issues, but just try to be on-topic since you care so much about starting an argument with me.
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darkstar4221
03/31/18 4:28:11 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
That wasnt their argument at all and their arguments hold up much better against scrutiny than yours do.


This is what Broseph_Stalin said
I'm sure some website somewhere said this, just like it ranks dead last in business rankings every year made by conservative think tanks even though its economy is now bigger than nearly every country on earth.

He is completely ignoring the high taxes and high regulations which is the reason why businesses are leaving California, which also means lower job opportunities. He thinks it's just conservative think tanks criticizing California. It doesn't matter if you are left or right, the problems are as clear as day to see.

Regarding Zeeak4444, I was simply talking about my experience in Cali and why I wanted to leave and he said it's just BS, even though it's what l literally experienced. In other words his argument is "San Diego/California is great if you don't think so there is something wrong with you." I was not even getting into economical issues, although he did get really analytical about the hate crime, which I didn't care about, it turns out I was right anyway. So you siding with them just means you're ignorant about the issues in Cali.
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