Current Events > 49% of Californians plan to leave the state soon.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Also, no, you didnt turn out to be right anyway.

What Zeeak4444 said

For the record you're absolutely right about the volume of hate crimes
then he goes on to say it's just an issue of population, which is not true. I live here I know it's not just an issue of population.

shockthemonkey posted...

Did you check his sources?

Who's sources are you talking about. I checked out the TC source though.

Dey're spreading demselves to Republican states so dey can vote democrat dere lol
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darkstar4221 posted...

He is completely ignoring the high taxes and high regulations which is the reason why businesses are leaving California

This is a right-wing talking point. California has not lost jobs since the 2008 financial crisis. It has higher than average GDP growth, population growth and an unemployment rate that has been continuously declining for over 7 years.

darkstar4221 posted...

then he goes on to say it's just an issue of population, which is not true.

You have not offered a single statistic saying otherwise. "I live here" is anecdotal evidence. You are a walking logical fallacy, stop arguing like a child and learn to admit when you're wrong.

shockthemonkey posted...

ok so youre still not getting his point there, why dont you go back to flaming people for not caring about you repeatedly saying I swear theres no culture, just race wars

quote by Zeeak444

Also for the record you can see population does matter. We're about average % wise based on what's been reporting.

He thinks it's based on population, it's like saying we have the largest amount of homeless people because California has a large population. I've been consistent what I said Zeeak444 attacked me because I don't believe San Diego is great.

I never said there was race wars, I said just because Cali has lots of people from different ethnic groups living in the state doens't mean everyone gets along. Let me ask you this? Do you think the very expensive cost to do business in California is a problem?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

This is a right-wing talking point. California has not lost jobs since the 2008 financial crisis. It has higher than average GDP growth, population growth and an unemployment rate that has been continuously declining for over 7 years.

How is that possible when California had one of the highest rate of unemployment during the great recession (which has really never ended) especially from the years 2010-2012. The fact is California has the highest income tax, highest sales tax, highest vehicle tax and highest gas tax in the country. And I'm not even getting into the taxes when starting a business here.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

You have not offered a single statistic saying otherwise. "I live here" is anecdotal evidence. You are a walking logical fallacy, stop arguing like a child and learn to admit when you're wrong.

I don't really care about the hate crime statistics, his main argument against me is that I have an issue with San Diego, as if San Diego isn't experience any problem but the rest of California is. Yes it's true 49% of Californians want to leave and that statistics include people from San Diego. The only thing childish here is your ignorance.

shockthemonkey posted...

So you still have no idea what hes saying

Well he admitted in turns of volume that California has a large amount of hate crimes. Okay California is average % based on what's been reporting, so what? We still have a large amount of hate crimes.

I don't really care about the hate crime statistics which pales in comparison to the other problems in California.

darkstar4221 posted...

I don't really care about the hate crime statistics

Then why were you the one to post them? You only stopped caring when people called you out on your bullshit.

darkstar4221 posted...

Yes it's true 49% of Californians want to leave and that statistics include people from San Diego.

That figure is based on one poll. Actual statistics show CA is growing at a rate higher than the national average and people in CA are the second least likely to actually leave.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

stop arguing like a child and learn to admit when you're wrong.

shockthemonkey posted...

I dont care if what I said is true; youre a stupid child is right up there with everyone is mean, you aholes

You criticize my post for being "nasty" when you say straight up trolling BS like this
" ok so youre still not getting his point there, why dont you go back to flaming people for not caring about you repeatedly saying I swear theres no culture, just race wars.

Let me ask you thins do you think the high cost to start a business in California is a problem? Do you think that the taxes and regulations are a problem? Do you know why 49% of Californians want to leave the state?

Whose mans is darkstar and what did California do to him?
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darkstar4221 posted...

Let me ask you thins do you think the high cost to start a business in California is a problem? Do you think that the taxes and regulations are a problem?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

California has not lost jobs since the 2008 financial crisis. It has higher than average GDP growth, population growth and an unemployment rate that has been continuously declining for over 7 years.

darkstar4221 posted...

Do you know why 49% of Californians want to leave the state?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

That figure is based on one poll. Actual statistics show CA is growing at a rate higher than the national average and people in CA are the second least likely to actually leave.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Then why were you the one to post them? You only stopped caring when people called you out on your bullshit.

I honestly don't care about it, it was a statistic I heard about it, and I used it to show the problems in California. The hate crime statistic is actually minor compared to the high cost living which I frequently talk about.

That figure is based on one poll. Actual statistics show CA is growing at a rate higher than the national average and people in CA are the second least likely to actually leave.

You're right people in CA are the second least likely to leave, but that poll is pretty significant since it says 49% of Bay Residents, L.A residents, and then 49% rest of the state said they want to leave. Meaning they are unhappy in Cali. Do they actually leave? Going by statistics most of them don't. Maybe they get things straightened in Cali, where they eventually want to stay, they want to stay close to their friends and families.

darkstar4221 posted...

You're right people in CA are the second least likely to leave, but that poll is pretty significant since it says 49% of Bay Residents, L.A residents, and then 49% rest of the state said they want to leave.

An inaccurate poll is absolutely worthless. I don't care if it's 99% wanting to leave the state, actual statistics show the exact opposite.

This entire topic has been your feels vs reals. Give it up. Stop posting.

shockthemonkey posted...

I criticized you for saying that everyone in CA is a jerk while calling everyone who doesnt agree with you an ahole. You follow yet?

I never said everyone in CA is a jerk, I said there is a lot of jerks in CA.

California has not lost jobs since the 2008 financial crisis. It has higher than average GDP growth, population growth and an unemployment rate that has been continuously declining for over 7 years.

How is that possible when unemployment rate in California was among the highest from 2008-2012?

TheVipaGTS posted...

Whose mans is darkstar and what did California do to him?

Just an argument, just trying to win, I do get combative in arguments =).

darkstar4221 posted...

How is that possible when unemployment rate in California was among the highest from 2008-2012?

There was this thing called a financial crisis, look it up.

Weird how it's dropped 8 percentage points since then, I thought CA was losing jobs?

is this topic still going? don't you people have moving to do

darkstar4221 posted...

just trying to win

Well youre not doing a very good job.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

An inaccurate poll is absolutely worthless. I don't care if it's 99% wanting to leave the state, actual statistics show the exact opposite.

This entire topic has been your feels vs reals. Give it up. Stop posting.

When you say nonsense like this

California has not lost jobs since the 2008 financial crisis. It has higher than average GDP growth, population growth and an unemployment rate that has been continuously declining for over 7 years.

The unemployment rate should be discredited, since it does not count the people who actually stopped looking for work. The last 7 years labor participation rate has been falling, a statistic the federal government nor the California state government can't hide despite "low unemployment numbers"

GDP statistics does not accurately assess the value of goods and services provided or estimate a societys standard of living. So California having a higher than average GDP growth doesn't really mean much. Not to mention GDP also accounts government services whether those government services are wasteful spending or beneficial to the economy.

Here is a fun fact, why do you think Trump was elected? It's not because they thought Obama was doing a good job. Another fun fact, Trump is hardly any different from Obama.

TheVipaGTS posted...

darkstar4221 posted...

just trying to win

Well youre not doing a very good job.

Actually I am.

darkstar4221 posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

darkstar4221 posted...

just trying to win

Well youre not doing a very good job.

Actually I am.

Youre not but if you wanna believe you are then its all good. Whatever makes you happy.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Youre not but if you wanna believe you are then its all good. Whatever makes you happy.

You said this earlier.

I didnt read the full topic but Im going to guess that the majority of the posts in here are something along the lines of urgh I hate Cali because liberals and s*** so its no surprise from people who have never been to Cali and their only experience with Cali is from FoxNews, Infowars and movies that take place in LA?

What makes Cali so great that people from anther state would change their mind? You do realize there are people living in Cali who hate Cali right? If you don't believe that then you are just ignorant.

And there are people who live in Cali that like Cali. Youre losing this one man. Youve been proven wrong and your inability to admit defeat is forcing you to reach stretch and backflip around. Thats not a good way to go through life my dude.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

And there are people who live in Cali that like Cali. Youre losing this one man. Youve been proven wrong and your inability to admit defeat is forcing you to reach stretch and backflip around. Thats not a good way to go through life my dude.

I have no problem with people liking Cali. In my post I never indicated or implied that.

Shockthemonkey...

Every time one argument gets beat he claims he doesnt care and then makes a new one

lol you are funny if you are just going to use arguments from other people, you make yourself look more wrong. Despite what Broseph_Stalin said about California not losing jobs since the 2008 financial crisis which is 100% inaccurate. The labor participation rate in California has fallen from 67% in 2007 to 62% in 2017. If unemployment numbers are low that means more people are activity looking for work, but this isn't the case.

Also homelessness increase by 23% in L.A county in 2017.
https://www.dailynews.com/2017/05/31/homelessness-surges-by-23-percent-in-la-county/

San Diego County has fourth largest homeless population in US.
http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/12/06/san-diego-county-has-fourth-largest-homeless-population-in-us-report-says/

How is the California economy getting better if homelessness is increasing and labor participation rate is falling, while prices for food and housing is rising? Because the truth is it's not getting better, that's why many of them want to leave.

shockthemonkey posted...

I dont care that Im wrong and dont understand why but I wont stop arguing about it

I was half wrong since California is #1 in sheer volumes, but on % it was around the national average. Like I said before I could care less about that statistic, and I mentioned that statistic to show the problems in California, and I gave him a link that hate crimes were starting to increase again in San Diego. But his main argument against me was me not liking/criticizing San Diego. Despite hate crime being an issue, it's not as bad as some of the other problems California is facing.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Report-Shows-Hate-Crimes-Are-Rising-Across-San-Diego-County-432327073.html

He also said there was no racial discrimination in California, it's all sunshine roses, but this is what's said in the link.
Most hate crimes involve some form of racial bias. That bias has lead to 57 percent of all hate crime events since 2007.

cerealbox760 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

thank you, State Senator Scott Wiener, for forcing these NIMBYs to allow development near rail and bus stations

Do not celebrate yet. LA opposed housing bill 827.

https://la.curbed.com/2018/3/27/17166122/housing-bill-density-california-los-angeles-opposition

what a damn joke
I'm glad housing and environmental advocates here aren't as up their own asses as these ones
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Can someone explain why the only major cities/metro areas on or near the coast are Los Angeles, the Bay Area, and San Diego?

There are a lot of cities there, just no major ones.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Can someone explain why the only major cities/metro areas on or near the coast are Los Angeles, the Bay Area, and San Diego?

CA is mountainous, people settled in valleys and basins. There are areas on the coast like Big Sur and the Lost Coast that don't even have any major highways so they've remained undeveloped.

darkstar4221 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I dont care that Im wrong and dont understand why but I wont stop arguing about it

I was half wrong since California is #1 in sheer volumes, but on % it was around the national average. Like I said before I could care less about that statistic, and I mentioned that statistic to show the problems in California, and I gave him a link that hate crimes were starting to increase again in San Diego. But his main argument against me was me not liking/criticizing San Diego. Despite hate crime being an issue, it's not as bad as some of the other problems California is facing.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Report-Shows-Hate-Crimes-Are-Rising-Across-San-Diego-County-432327073.html

He also said there was no racial discrimination in California, it's all sunshine roses, but this is what's said in the link.
Most hate crimes involve some form of racial bias. That bias has lead to 57 percent of all hate crime events since 2007.

That's not true, the fact you have to try and twist things that far just shows how much you're struggling to "make a point". I put that in quotes because I'm still not sure what your point is.

For the record I actually stated "it's not a paradise" so idk how that suddenly became "it's all sunshine and roses".

I sure as hell never said there's no discrimination in California. I said it's not segregated into cliques and it sure as hell isnt some dysatopia where all the races are fighting each other and no one ever hangs out together, something you tried to say was true because you had some miserable highschool experience or whatever other bullshit you want to pull out next.

Edit: Just read through the previous posts prior to this one. Never mind, if you're still making arguments on how population is irrelevant I don't really wanna discuss this further with you. You're clearly only interested in what your experience says and now that I get that I regret even responding to this post. Whoops.
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@Zeeak4444 your whole argument towards me is that what I say is not true, even though I gave you links that back up my claims. Read that link again.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Report-Shows-Hate-Crimes-Are-Rising-Across-San-Diego-County-432327073.html
According to the report, hate crime events increased by 117 percent, hate crime offenses increased by 111 percent, hate crime victims increased by 107 percent and hate crime suspects increased by 135 percent in San Diego County.
135 increase that's a lot, and I don't have to go by my high school experience.

For the record I actually stated "it's not a paradise" so idk how that suddenly became "it's all sunshine and roses".

Then what the **** are you saying?

I said it's not segregated into cliques and it sure as hell isnt some dysatopia where all the races are fighting each other and no one ever hangs out together, something you tried to say was true because you had some miserable highschool experience or whatever other bulls*** you want to pull out next.

I never said that, I gave you a link to where other people believe that's how they feel. I'm just trying pointing out that my criticism towards San Diego is not all me, there are many people who hate Cali and many people who hate San Diego. You don't seem to register that, you think it's all gravy, it's not. For the record this topic is criticism of California, and San Diego is part of it. If you think San Diego is exclusive to criticism, the one full of bull**** here is you.

Edit: Just read through the previous posts prior to this one. Never mind, if you're still making arguments on how population is irrelevant I don't really wanna discuss this further with you. You're clearly only interested in what your experience says and now that I get that I regret even responding to this post. Whoops.

Population is not completely irrelevant, but California having the largest population in the US doesn't have to mean cost of living goes up, violence goes up, more poverty, etc. Florida and Texas their population is booming, yet the cost of living is much cheaper and there are more job opportunities in those states. Homelessness in also decreasing in Florida and Texas, while in California it's increasing. California lawmakers simply choose to tax and regulate more than most other states, despite population. To start a businesses in California is one of the most expensive if not the most expensive in the country. That is why California is always ranked the least business-friendly state. If businesses are leaving California, that means less job opportunities, and more poverty such as homelessness.

Oregon and Washington are not as populated as California but they are experiencing an increase in poverty because their government decides to tax businesses to death. Seattle become a dump when they increased the minimum wage to $15 an hour. The cost of living in Seattle is more expensive than San Diego. I heard the homelessness in Portland OR is pretty bad, and they also experiencing a huge jump in rent/housing prices, not as bad as Cali but still pretty bad. I mean are you seriously judging the problems in California simply from a population point of view? I mean that is just ignorance.

darkstar4221 posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

That's what they all say. Large percentage of americans also "planned" to leave if Trump was elected

True to an extent, but you can only live in a hostile/dangerous environment for too long, the fact that they want to leave just proves they are not happy about the environment they are living in, which says a lot about California, it's not a state of dreams. The rate of homeless people increased in California while many other states saw a decrease.

Very true.

darkstar4221 posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

That's what they all say. Large percentage of americans also "planned" to leave if Trump was elected

True to an extent, but you can only live in a hostile/dangerous environment for too long, the fact that they want to leave just proves they are not happy about the environment they are living in, which says a lot about California, it's not a state of dreams. The rate of homeless people increased in California while many other states saw a decrease.

Very true.