Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 166: Three Trump Firings By 500 or Your Money Back

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Peace___Frog
03/21/18 11:26:44 AM
#51:


Suprak the Stud posted...
It is intellectually dishonest because what people arent mad about isnt the fact CA used big data so to frame it that way is silly.

Hey that guy asked to borrow your rake and you gave it to him so you cant be mad that I broke into your shed and stole it

Also tvey arent even trying to excuse this behavior. Theyre just hoping to muddy the waters so people dont care.

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LapisLazuli
03/21/18 11:40:43 AM
#52:


Corrik posted...
Inviso posted...
Corrik posted...
Nothing to support a blue wave at this current time.


Aside from Democrats winning special elections when traditionally, they're apathetic and stay home while it's Republican voters that get out and vote no matter what?

They are special elections. They have always had weird turnouts. That means nothing for actual election days.


Yeah, they had weird turnouts of being disproportionately Republican...
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Corrik
03/21/18 11:42:28 AM
#53:


LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...
Inviso posted...
Corrik posted...
Nothing to support a blue wave at this current time.


Aside from Democrats winning special elections when traditionally, they're apathetic and stay home while it's Republican voters that get out and vote no matter what?

They are special elections. They have always had weird turnouts. That means nothing for actual election days.


Yeah, they had weird turnouts of being disproportionately Republican...

When democrats are in power perhaps.
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charmander6000
03/21/18 12:22:46 PM
#54:


Yeah Corrik is correct, special elections tend to favor the party not in power (unless the party in power is doing a great job). At best all we can say is that the electorate thinks Trump isn't doing a great job.

Of course we have opinion polls that suggest Dems will be making some gains in the house.
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BowserCuffs
03/21/18 12:51:55 PM
#55:


Suprak the Stud posted...
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-employ-the-same-strategies-as-cambridge-analytica/#.WrJK9WsY5bs.twitter

Just because the current talking point I see exploding on Twitter is whatabout Obama! and its intellecially dishonest.


Whataboutism is easily one of the more toxic fallacies that's flying around the country today.

Probably not the most toxic, though. One of the strongest contenders for that title the dismissal of all news that isn't Fox News as 'fake news', co-opting a term that was meant to describe how gossip and rumors have been flying around more than real news.
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CelesMyUserName
03/21/18 12:54:30 PM
#56:


That would be confirmation bias - anything you don't like is Fake News, and the things you want to hear are Real News
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HaRRicH
03/21/18 12:58:35 PM
#57:


3/17/2018
TWITTER - zeynep tufekci (New York Times)

Facebook's defense that Cambridge Analytica harvesting of FB user data from millions is not technically a "breach" is a more profound & damning statement of what's wrong with Facebook's business model than a "breach".

*BEGINNING OF THREAD*

https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/975067185889427456?s=19


Facebook on blast for its model to ever allow this and how Facebook is concerned about Cambridge stepping into its business territory.
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HanOfTheNekos
03/21/18 1:27:03 PM
#58:


@Peace___Frog

"Please do not imply sexual activities in regards to other users."
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HaRRicH
03/21/18 1:34:42 PM
#59:


3/20/2018
TWITTER - Sara Danner Dukic (Mom, human being, entrepenuer, performing arts + production consultant)

In the end, it was 70,000 people - people with a specific psychological profile, which they had access to because they'd stolen it - who swung key states.

*MIDDLE OF THREAD*

https://twitter.com/saradannerdukic/status/976129792805306368?s=19


The whole thread really examines how Cambridge's information was used and how its stolen information was one of the reasons why Donald was able to keep his campaign costs lower than Hillary.
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Dancedreamer
03/21/18 1:44:27 PM
#60:


I wonder how the Cambridge Analytica story would play out if it was Hillary Clinton behind it, and she had won the election. I imagine Fox News would be on the story 24/7/365.
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Peace___Frog
03/21/18 1:52:37 PM
#61:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
@Peace___Frog

"Please do not imply sexual activities in regards to other users."

I mean you've probably overheard my sexual activities in the past so idgaf
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Dancedreamer
03/21/18 3:15:47 PM
#62:


Neo-Nazi Holocaust Denier Arthur Jones will be the nominee for Illinois 3rd district. Now, Jones has a next to zero chance of actually winning, and I doubt the Republican Party will support him (especially after he attacked Trump for having a daughter who's a Jew) but it's a bit concerning that 20,000 people voted for him (he ran uncontested).
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LapisLazuli
03/21/18 3:33:57 PM
#63:


All that matters is the R.
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Jakyl25
03/21/18 3:37:16 PM
#64:


The Republican Party has already denounced him before the election, which is good

Still, youd think theyd care enough about their image to have someone run against him, even if it is ultimately pointless
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Dancedreamer
03/21/18 3:41:07 PM
#65:


Jakyl25 posted...
Still, youd think theyd care enough about their image to have someone run against him, even if it is ultimately pointless


Reminds me of when that guy from Maine called Emma Gonzalez a 'skinhead lesbian', and someone eventually stepped up to challenge him (though as a Democrat). Eventually Leslie Gibson called it quits, and was replaced.
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DeathChicken
03/21/18 3:44:06 PM
#66:


Because David Hogg got on Twitter and went "Hey this idiot is running unopposed, anyone want to jump in?" That kid is fun
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Jakyl25
03/21/18 4:15:41 PM
#67:


You would think winning a primary against a hatemonger would be a good political experience for a young Republican, even in a doomed general election bid (which would also still be good experience)
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SgtSphynx
03/21/18 6:34:56 PM
#68:


You would think, unless it was prohibitively expensive to do so
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red13n
03/21/18 6:42:57 PM
#69:


Dancedreamer posted...
Neo-Nazi Holocaust Denier Arthur Jones will be the nominee for Illinois 3rd district. Now, Jones has a next to zero chance of actually winning, and I doubt the Republican Party will support him (especially after he attacked Trump for having a daughter who's a Jew) but it's a bit concerning that 20,000 people voted for him (he ran uncontested).


The problem with these is, even if they have no shot of winning, just being on the ballot gives them a platform for relevance and to help spread their message, which is what they want.
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Icehawk
03/21/18 7:04:17 PM
#70:


Jakyl25 posted...
You would think winning a primary against a hatemonger would be a good political experience for a young Republican, even in a doomed general election bid (which would also still be good experience)


I think a lot of politicians fear being a district jumper. If you lose somewhere, then move elsewhere to run, you generally get hit for it. You have to be a mitt Romney for that.
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Suprak the Stud
03/21/18 7:24:36 PM
#71:


Jakyl25 posted...
You would think winning a primary against a hatemonger would be a good political experience for a young Republican, even in a doomed general election bid (which would also still be good experience)


It's also a bit more conservative than every single district around it. This is Lipinski's district who is voted against Obamacare, is anti-abortion, voted for DOMA, against the DREAM act, etc.

You really couldn't find a moderate Republican to run against that and to save you the embarrassment of having an actual Nazi represent the party?
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Jakyl25
03/21/18 8:42:09 PM
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Dancedreamer
03/21/18 9:13:15 PM
#73:


So a North Dakota anti-gay politician was found on Grindr. He's come out of the closet, and still promises to be anti-gay.

Also his name is Randy Boehning. So I thought it was the onion at first. Nope. This is the kinda world we live in.
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KamikazePotato
03/21/18 9:13:40 PM
#74:


red13n posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
Neo-Nazi Holocaust Denier Arthur Jones will be the nominee for Illinois 3rd district. Now, Jones has a next to zero chance of actually winning, and I doubt the Republican Party will support him (especially after he attacked Trump for having a daughter who's a Jew) but it's a bit concerning that 20,000 people voted for him (he ran uncontested).


The problem with these is, even if they have no shot of winning, just being on the ballot gives them a platform for relevance and to help spread their message, which is what they want.

Yeah. The normalization of stuff like Neo-Nazism is happening very rapidly in the US and it's extremely worrying. Those kinds of attitudes can't be reversed overnight. Or sometimes ever.
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Jakyl25
03/21/18 9:15:17 PM
#75:


Dancedreamer posted...
So a North Dakota anti-gay politician was found on Grindr. He's come out of the closet, and still promises to be anti-gay.

Also his name is Randy Boehning. So I thought it was the onion at first. Nope. This is the kinda world we live in.


This post just kept on delivering
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Peace___Frog
03/21/18 9:22:03 PM
#76:


Jakyl25 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
So a North Dakota anti-gay politician was found on Grindr. He's come out of the closet, and still promises to be anti-gay.

Also his name is Randy Boehning. So I thought it was the onion at first. Nope. This is the kinda world we live in.


This post just kept on delivering

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Bane_Of_Despair
03/22/18 9:01:57 AM
#77:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/976765417908776963

oof
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Mr Lasastryke
03/22/18 9:44:12 AM
#78:


hey, we already had crazy bernie. now there's "crazy joe biden" too?

trump is running out of ideas, clearly.
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Jakyl25
03/22/18 9:49:18 AM
#79:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/976770619424563200?s=21

Remember when they were saying, during the campaign, that Donald Trump is giving great speeches and drawing big crowds, but he is spending much less money and not using social media as well as Crooked Hillarys large and highly sophisticated staff. Well, not saying that anymore!


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HaRRicH
03/22/18 10:45:59 AM
#80:


3/21/2018
CBS - FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, fired by Jeff Sessions, led probe into Sessions

The investigation was opened before special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed, Reid reports. A Justice Department official says Sessions was not aware of this investigation until he found out about it from reports.

ABC News first reported that McCabe had been in charge of the investigation into Sessions. Sessions' testimony raised alarm bells, but this is the first time it has been reported that there was actually a criminal probe of Sessions' actions.

An upcoming DOJ inspector general report is expected to criticize McCabe as a part of its investigation into the bureau's handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation.

Sessions' attorney, Chuck Cooper, told CBS News Sessions is not currently under investigation for false statements or perjury.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-fired-by-jeff-sessions-oversaw-probe-sessions-lacked-candor/


If Sessions knew McCabe's investigation into him was a criminal probe before firing him last week, man...that potential obstruction of justice charge is looming large over him.
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The Mana Sword
03/22/18 11:18:20 AM
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trdl23
03/22/18 11:19:59 AM
#82:


It was obvious to everyone who paid attention that Sessions was perjuring himself. Nobody cares then. Nobody will care now.

...Its getting really hard to keep myself optimistic lately.
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The Mana Sword
03/22/18 11:35:24 AM
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Jakyl25
03/22/18 11:36:35 AM
#84:


Trump is gonna do the sit-down interview, isnt he?
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Jakyl25
03/22/18 11:39:21 AM
#85:


As far as the topic title goes, I know its not a firing, but thats ONE DOWN
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The Mana Sword
03/22/18 11:49:13 AM
#86:


https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china
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charmander6000
03/22/18 12:04:01 PM
#87:


Would things have gone better if he just targeted China alone?
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Corrik
03/22/18 12:17:59 PM
#88:


The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china

Bad news to exempt Brazil.
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CelesMyUserName
03/22/18 1:11:38 PM
#89:


Corrik posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china

Bad news to exempt Brazil.

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Eddv
03/22/18 1:17:49 PM
#90:


charmander6000 posted...
Would things have gone better if he just targeted China alone?


I think the "idea" was that if it were universally applied that China might not feel singled out and therefore might not retaliate as hard.

But as it turns out attacking yoir allies is a bad idea
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Peace___Frog
03/22/18 1:18:29 PM
#91:


trdl23 posted...
It was obvious to everyone who paid attention that Sessions was perjuring himself. Nobody cares then. Nobody will care now.

...Its getting really hard to keep myself optimistic lately.

Yep. Sessions wants everything to blow over just as much as Trump does
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Corrik
03/22/18 1:19:47 PM
#92:


CelesMyUserName posted...
Corrik posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china

Bad news to exempt Brazil.

nope

Yep. You know nothing about steel, so why are you acting like you do.
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HaRRicH
03/22/18 1:51:16 PM
#93:


3/22/2018
TWITTER - The Levine Machine (Hamiltoe)

Snowflakes- 1 Ben Shapiro- 0 https://t.co/ylLXFKkwq5

*PICTURE OF BEN SHAPIROS DC-SHOW GETTING CANCELLED DUE TO INCLEMENT WEATHER CONDITIONS*

https://twitter.com/Eitanthegoalie/status/976828040834633728?s=19

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HaRRicH
03/22/18 2:06:01 PM
#94:


And as a friendly reminder with the lawyer business:

3/11 - Donald denies wanting a new lawyer:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/972829763067883523?s=19

3/17 - John Dowd says Rosenstein should shut down Mueller's investigation:
https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/975008116805898240?s=19

3/18 - Trey Gowdy tells Dowd "If you have an innocent client Mr. Dowd, act like it.":
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/975357634894336000?s=19

3/19 - Trump's lawyers turn over documents in hopes to limit Mueller's scope:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/
trumps-lawyers-have-turned-over-
documents-to-mueller-with-hopes-of-limiting-interview-scope/
2018/03/19/9174cd54-2b9f-11e8-b0b0
-f706877db618_story.html?utm_term=.6d979258d8c6

3/19 - Donald hires Joseph DiGenova, a lawyer on Fox who pushes that Donald's getting framed. "DiGenova wont replace Dowd, but the two will serve as equals, source says.":
https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/975782244198633472?s=19

3/22 - Joh Dowd resigns
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/john-dowd-resigns-trump-lawyer.html?referer=
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Jakyl25
03/22/18 2:12:30 PM
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I guess that means DiGenova has to resign too?
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trdl23
03/22/18 3:06:13 PM
#96:


Corrik posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
Corrik posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china

Bad news to exempt Brazil.

nope

Yep. You know nothing about steel, so why are you acting like you do.

You clearly know nothing about how this affects supply chains at large. Stop acting like you do.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2018/03/05/how-imports-helped-the-american-steel-industry/

Competition is good for the American consumer and forces companies to be more productive.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/09/592196607/brazil-reacts-to-trumps-steel-tariffs

American coal is what fuels the Brazilian steel industry. Turns out things in one industry affect another! Imagine that.
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MikeTavish
03/22/18 3:06:50 PM
#97:


https://tinyurl.com/y9ausxll

I thought this article about a Yale study on turning conservatives into liberals was pretty interesting. Bit of a read but worth it. Don't know if it's been linked/talked about before but I was just made aware of it.
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Corrik
03/22/18 3:14:27 PM
#98:


trdl23 posted...
Corrik posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
Corrik posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china

Bad news to exempt Brazil.

nope

Yep. You know nothing about steel, so why are you acting like you do.

You clearly know nothing about how this affects supply chains at large. Stop acting like you do.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2018/03/05/how-imports-helped-the-american-steel-industry/

Competition is good for the American consumer and forces companies to be more productive.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/09/592196607/brazil-reacts-to-trumps-steel-tariffs

American coal is what fuels the Brazilian steel industry. Turns out things in one industry affect another! Imagine that.

Dying how people think they are experts on shit because they google a couple of articles.

The biggest offenders of environmental issues due to lack of regulations is China, India, and Brazil.

Vietnam is supposedly up and coming hard.

The big issue with Korea was they were dumping steel. When China was getting heat on their subsidizing of steel and people were stopping to deal with them as much, China would sell to Korea at an even more reduced price and Korea would sell it at a slight profit. It was just a middle man in dumping Chinese steel to skirt issues.

Obama's administration at one point had a 255% tariff on Chinese steel. (Which was done in 2016 I believe). It is why during that investigation and afterwards that a lot of Chinese imports to here decreased. Hence the charts people show having China so low. What China was getting to us was coming from Korea, and it was after reduced production due to investigations to how they subsidized to produce with government money even when no demand was here during the Great Recession.

A 25% tariff on China is relatively nothing.
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trdl23
03/22/18 3:18:49 PM
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When I read turning conservatives into liberals red flags about ethics started popping up, but that was actually a really clever way to conduct the study.
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trdl23
03/22/18 3:21:33 PM
#100:


Corrik posted...
trdl23 posted...
Corrik posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
Corrik posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/976847312000552966

more news!@POTUS has decided that the EU, Argentina, Australia, Brazil & South Korea will be exempt from the steel and aluminum tariffs, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer just told a Senate committee.

so basically this tariff is only being applied to china

Bad news to exempt Brazil.

nope

Yep. You know nothing about steel, so why are you acting like you do.

You clearly know nothing about how this affects supply chains at large. Stop acting like you do.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2018/03/05/how-imports-helped-the-american-steel-industry/

Competition is good for the American consumer and forces companies to be more productive.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/09/592196607/brazil-reacts-to-trumps-steel-tariffs

American coal is what fuels the Brazilian steel industry. Turns out things in one industry affect another! Imagine that.

Dying how people think they are experts on shit because they google a couple of articles.

The biggest offenders of environmental issues due to lack of regulations is China, India, and Brazil.

Vietnam is supposedly up and coming hard.

The big issue with Korea was they were dumping steel. When China was getting heat on their subsidizing of steel and people were stopping to deal with them as much, China would sell to Korea at an even more reduced price and Korea would sell it at a slight profit. It was just a middle man in dumping Chinese steel to skirt issues.

Obama's administration at one point had a 255% tariff on Chinese steel. (Which was done in 2016 I believe). It is why during that investigation and afterwards that a lot of Chinese imports to here decreased. Hence the charts people show having China so low. What China was getting to us was coming from Korea, and it was after reduced production due to investigations to how they subsidized to produce with government money even when no demand was here during the Great Recession.

A 25% tariff on China is relatively nothing.

But were talking about Brazil, not China. China I understand.

Also I literally have a degree in Supply Chain Management so yes, Im probably at least the third biggest expert about this here. I linked a couple of articles because its faster than giving you four years of economics and business education.
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