Poll of the Day > Confirm/Disagree Sega > Microsoft for consoles

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Hard confirm for me. If I was older back in the day I would have supported Sega more.
It is total BS what happened to them and they are so much better than the exclusiveless Xbox One

In some ways, Xbox is essentially the continuation of Sega consoles. They basically just split off the console division and gave it to Microsoft.
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Dikitain posted...

In some ways, Xbox is essentially the continuation of Sega consoles. They basically just split off the console division and gave it to Microsoft.

Not at all. Sega was very creative and unique. Sega is a Japanese corporation and Microsoft an American. For some reason American console makers cant get first party exclusives down pat.
Microsofts Xbox just took the internet compatibility Dreamcast had and make Xbox live but ps2 had internet too. Sega released their games across all platforms following the demise of the Dreamcast. Microsoft more than likely money hatted the games from Sega onto Xbox

goldbman posted...

Microsofts Xbox just took the internet compatibility Dreamcast had and make Xbox live but ps2 had internet too.

That is just one tiny part of why the Xbox and Dreamcast are similar. They also used the controller, the hard drive (which was planned for the Dreamcast but later scrapped), and even sequels to Dreamcast games such as Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue 2, Crazy Taxi 3, and House of the Dead 3. In many ways the original Xbox was Dreamcast 2.
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Maximum disagree
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360 > anything Sega ever did
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Hell no. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but Sega was a terribly run company. They had some good ideas here and there, but shitty execution. They fucked up everything they made, except the Genesis. And now they refuse to revive Shining Force (SRPG genre) in the west.

On the other hand, the original Xbox was exceptionally high quality hardware.
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dragon504 posted...

360 > anything Sega ever did

Pretty much. 360 is my favorite console.

It was a nice little self-contained entertainment device.
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WarGreymon77 posted...

Hell no. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but Sega was a terribly run company. They had some good ideas here and there, but shitty execution. They fucked up everything they made, except the Genesis. And now they refuse to revive Shining Force (SRPG genre) in the west.

On the other hand, the original Xbox was exceptionally high quality hardware.

Everything Microsoft has done shows them as greedy asshats that care little about the industry

360 beats sega.

goldbman posted...

WarGreymon77 posted...

Hell no. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but Sega was a terribly run company. They had some good ideas here and there, but shitty execution. They fucked up everything they made, except the Genesis. And now they refuse to revive Shining Force (SRPG genre) in the west.

On the other hand, the original Xbox was exceptionally high quality hardware.

Everything Microsoft has done shows them as greedy asshats that care little about the industry

As opposed to Sega, the company that sent lawyers after YTMND because they were making too many sonic memes.
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Grew up with SEGA, so yeah.. not that I didnt spend a lot of time on my 360

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time, flawless gameplay on Phantasy Star online via its dial up modem versus today with faster internet speeds but laggy as **** gameplay (especially on Nintendo games)
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It's not a high bar to beat.
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Yellow posted...

It's not a high bar to beat.

True lol

Didn't the Dreamcast actually run a version of Windows?
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kind9 posted...

Didn't the Dreamcast actually run a version of Windows?

Ps2 ran Linux doesnt mean that PlayStation is beholden to Linux.
Segas consoles / Microsofts gimped computers

Microsoft money hatted some Sega exclusives for the original Xbox but I am sure Sega would have rather released them on the GameCube or ps2. Japanese are on average very proud.

I'd have to disagree, because there was never a single point in history when I actually wanted a Sega console for any reason, whereas I had strong love for my original Xbox, and the 360 was easily the best console of its generation (and depending on my mood at any given time, I might even be willing to argue it was the best console ever made, period).

Sure, the Xbone is kind of a steaming turd right now, but that doesn't really alter how great the franchise used to be, nor does it make it impossible for them to pull out of that particular nose-dive (see also, Sony's catastrophic PS3 launch versus the PS4 essentially being the #1 console this generation).


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JixHedgehog posted...

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time

Along with nonsense such as the "Nintendo saved gaming" mantra, this is one of gaming's biggest misnomers.


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SEGA > Sony >>> Microsoft

Nintendo doesn't even make the list.
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Confirm, Sega should try to release a new console.
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kind9 posted...

Didn't the Dreamcast actually run a version of Windows?

It had ce built in, but most games didn't use it iirc. I mean, it says it on the front of the console.
Armada used it though and it was great.
Breastmilkn_Dip posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time

Along with nonsense such as the "Nintendo saved gaming" mantra, this is one of gaming's biggest misnomers.

Well at least you're obviously ignorant. Give it a chance and it'll put a smile on your face.
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Breastmilkn_Dip posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time

Along with nonsense such as the "Nintendo saved gaming" mantra, this is one of gaming's biggest misnomers.

Idk Saturn did have online gaming and Genesis had game downloads but the vmu was pretty groundbreaking

Sega had the genesis, which was great. The dreammcast was good too, but Sega fucked up way too much. with everyything else they made. I got my problems with the The Xboxes, but they're all quality systems.
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goldbman posted...

Breastmilkn_Dip posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time

Along with nonsense such as the "Nintendo saved gaming" mantra, this is one of gaming's biggest misnomers.

Idk Saturn did have online gaming and Genesis had game downloads but the vmu was pretty groundbreaking

I would hardly call something that was used in one console (which had pretty poor sales) and was never seen again "groundbreaking".

3DO using CD drives was groundbreaking
Xbox having a hard drive was groundbreaking
The Switch combining a handheld and a console "might" be groundbreaking

The Dreamcast VMU was a gimmick.
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Dikitain posted...

goldbman posted...

Breastmilkn_Dip posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time

Along with nonsense such as the "Nintendo saved gaming" mantra, this is one of gaming's biggest misnomers.

Idk Saturn did have online gaming and Genesis had game downloads but the vmu was pretty groundbreaking

I would hardly call something that was used in one console (which had pretty poor sales) and was never seen again "groundbreaking".

3DO using CD drives was groundbreaking
Xbox having a hard drive was groundbreaking
The Switch combining a handheld and a console "might" be groundbreaking

The Dreamcast VMU was a gimmick.

The idea for a second screen would later be used by the DS (which innovated further with touch screen) and Wii U. It is a lie to state only one game used the vmu. Many did, Resident Evil games for instance displayed your health status

goldbman posted...

Dikitain posted...

goldbman posted...

Breastmilkn_Dip posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

The Dreamcast was way ahead of its time

Along with nonsense such as the "Nintendo saved gaming" mantra, this is one of gaming's biggest misnomers.

Idk Saturn did have online gaming and Genesis had game downloads but the vmu was pretty groundbreaking

I would hardly call something that was used in one console (which had pretty poor sales) and was never seen again "groundbreaking".

3DO using CD drives was groundbreaking
Xbox having a hard drive was groundbreaking
The Switch combining a handheld and a console "might" be groundbreaking

The Dreamcast VMU was a gimmick.

The idea for a second screen would later be used by the DS (which innovated further with touch screen) and Wii U. It is a lie to state only one game used the vmu. Many did, Resident Evil games for instance displayed your health status

If you mean a second screen specifically, then many things used it before the Dreamcast. The DS and 3DS design was based on this:

https://www.mariowiki.com/File:G-w-donkeykong.jpg

Which came out years before the Dreamcast. Also the Wii U is a second screen in some sense, but it is more a way to play your console without a TV (which the Switch elaborated on further). The second screen is more of a byproduct of that.
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Sega definitely had some good consoles, but a decent chunk of their console history was devoted to crappy add-ons like the Sega CD and 32X. These bring down their batting average considerably.

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/f2/f229212333614a91d9a5473415b5d1610e8af92afff6720283cf76987d97665b.jpg
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Sega of Japan needed to compete with Nintendo and the NES pretty much owned the Sega Master System during the 8-bit days. When the 16-bit days came around Sega had the Genesis and Nintendo had the SNES and the SNEs early on was pretty much dominating the Genesis.

Sega of Japan knowing they needed to get a foothold in America to compete with Nintendo hired American Tom Kalinske businessman who had worked for Mattel where he turned around the then failing Barbie and How Wheels brands.

In 1990, Sega of Japan hired Kalinske to be their U.S. President and CEO of Sega Of America and starting out they gave Kalinske free reign to do what he wanted to turn their fortunes around.

His aggressive marketing decisions during his time at Sega, such as price drops, anti-Nintendo attack ads, and the famous "Sega Scream" TV campaign, are often cited as key elements in the success of the Genesis video game console.

When he finally brought the Genesis into a position to compete with the SNES, the execs at Sega Of Japan had an about face and that's when Sega's trouble began.

When Sega decided to replace the Genesis with what would become the disaster known as the Sega Saturn, Kalinske and Sega of Japan had a heated disagreement about the Saturn's architecture. Kalinske resigned from Sega right around the time that Sega launched the Saturn in 1995/1996.

The Saturn had dual processors and Kalinske tried to tell Japan that the console would difficult to design for and they would not listen to him.

Soon developers grew tired of having to deal with dual processors etc so they all but abandoned the Saturn early on and around that time is when the Playstation was coming out and it was much more developer friendly and easier to work with vs the Saturn.

The sad irony of Sega is they had no clue when it came to hardware and that doomed them.

The last straw for Sega was passing up the opportunity to work with Sony on what would become the Playstation just as Nintendo had done earlier. The Playstation started out as a CD-ROM add-on for the SNES but that never worked out between Sony and Nintendo.

Sony offered what would become the PS1 to Sega and that was nixed.

The hardware chipset that would become the N64 was first offered to Sega but Sega of Japan pooh-poohed that idea and the chip designers Silicon Graphics ended up selling the chipset to Nintendo with an assist from Kalinske.

So Sega could have had Nintendo's N64 3D hardware along with CD-ROM media but they screwed that.

Sega of Japan's President Hayao Nakayama was a notoriously stern boss, abusing his executives verbally and even physically and his management style is what ultimately doomed Sega!

Nakayama admired the success of the American branch of Sega but it did not sit well with Japan in general, and that admiration may have made the American branch seem like the favorite son to many at SEGA of Japan, and doing things their way was a point of pride.

Not as easy as it seems to be honest.

Most of microsofts games were released on the pc, or on multiple systems, with very few of them being unique to xbox etc.

That being said there was the fable games, Too Human (my favorite xbox game), the Everquest D2 like games etc. There was a decent number of unique to Xbox games to enjoy and some xbox360 ones.

Sega though...had a ton of great games in the past, even if some were eventually released on other systems. My favorite shadowrun of all time was on the genisis, and the original phantasy stars where as well.

So yeah, it's not really easy to choose between them, I enjoyed both systems, just don't enjoy either anymore sadly (have not even booted up my genisis to play shadowrun in years). My xbox/360 just gather dust as well. I'm probably going to give away all my xbox games except Too human at this point. I already ditched the cases and just have them in a binder.
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dragon504 posted...

360 > anything Sega ever did

^

i loved my genesis and 32X, but the 360 was amazing.

dreamcast was good, but i only had about as much experience with it as i did with the original xbox, so at best they're even.
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I have to disagree with the 360 > Sega, because spending $100 for Microsoft to fix the red light error really soured me on that console and the Xbox brand.
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i'll admit i'm really lucky about the red ring of death. somehow managed to keep a launch 360 until like 2 years before the end of the gen. still have the one i got after that plugged in.
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you know the xbox one has more exclusives on it than the ps4

you do know that, right
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helIy posted...

you know the xbox one has more exclusives on it than the ps4

you do know that, right

It has some yes, but none that are all that noteworthy.
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by the argument, most of the ps4 exclusives aren't noteworthy since they're all walking simulators.
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helIy posted...

by the argument, most of the ps4 exclusives aren't noteworthy since they're all walking simulators.

I can agree with that, I think there are literally 3 PS4 exclusives I am somewhat interested in, and one of them hasn't even been released yet (and even then I am not 100% sure I would want it given the last game the developers produced). If anything, I would get a Playstation Now subscription for my PC to play them rather then get a PS4.

That said, the only Xbox One exclusive I am interested in is Rare Replay.
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Sonic sucks
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