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PumpkinCoach
04/10/18 9:42:36 PM
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paerarru posted...
Yeah, musically there are groups I like better, like gugudan, but as a group I don't know I just like CLC. I like Black Dress though, I like pretty much everything they've done, I'd recommend checking out their other stuff because again they can do different concepts well, I think.

their last 3 albums have been great from top to bottom. i also recommend watching them in cube's behind-the-scene videos (they haven't done much variety, unfortunately), because they're one of the funniest groups (seunghee esp.)

paerarru posted...
I don't know how much you guys like mindless gg variety, this one's alright next ep looks promising.

https://openload.co/f/E6qog1tsRt8

i watched this. there's very little time with any one group as you'd expect, but it was decently enjoyable.

Ruddager posted...
Momoland has had 1 song anyone cared about, id hardly call them popular until we see if they can actually make anything out of it or if they fade away like crayon pop after bar bar bar

momoland has a hit song, and 3 popular members. jooe has like 5 solo CFs now.

crayon pop had a hit song and, 'i don't recognize them without the helmets'. plus chrome ent. was mad incompetent.

i like momoland's chances a lot better.
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04/10/18 9:44:26 PM
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04/10/18 9:44:46 PM
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rip noonas

wrong topic bro. i didn't make this.
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04/11/18 3:44:53 PM
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KainWind posted...
I just noticed Sunny's always been on your sig, right! Classic.

Highwind07 posted...
TIL that Sunny is Soo Man's niece.

Where/how did you find out?

Well, Cube's newest girl group to debut soon just posted two new member pictures:

Two Chinese and a Thai right off the bat, interesting.

I was watching more recent clips of Sugarman and I thought this was pretty cool, 7 Princess 14 year reunion. I only knew of them because one of the girls (center, Youngyoo) was in Idol School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTBejkrQxY" data-time="


OMG remake.

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Ruddager
04/11/18 11:51:00 PM
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Ruddager posted...
Momoland has had 1 song anyone cared about, id hardly call them popular until we see if they can actually make anything out of it or if they fade away like crayon pop after bar bar bar

momoland has a hit song, and 3 popular members. jooe has like 5 solo CFs now.

crayon pop had a hit song and, 'i don't recognize them without the helmets'. plus chrome ent. was mad incompetent.

i like momoland's chances a lot better.


lets be real, jooe is a one note meme that is bound to play itself out relatively soon and yeonwoo and nancy arent well known to the public and arent exactly pulling in the type of crowd who end up as loyal, money spending fans. Do they have a better shot than crayon pop? sure but what i said still stands, its one song that caught some momentum, its meaningless if they cant follow up and judging by their album sales it hasnt exactly brought in a ton of actual fans so they will be relying solely on the public to stay relevant. And even if they do have any sort of decent response for their next song it still wouldnt put them on the level of groups like twice, rv, bp, and mamamoo.
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YamaChan
04/12/18 2:27:22 AM
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Ruddager posted...
Ruddager posted...
Momoland has had 1 song anyone cared about, id hardly call them popular until we see if they can actually make anything out of it or if they fade away like crayon pop after bar bar bar

momoland has a hit song, and 3 popular members. jooe has like 5 solo CFs now.

crayon pop had a hit song and, 'i don't recognize them without the helmets'. plus chrome ent. was mad incompetent.

i like momoland's chances a lot better.


lets be real, jooe is a one note meme that is bound to play itself out relatively soon and yeonwoo and nancy arent well known to the public and arent exactly pulling in the type of crowd who end up as loyal, money spending fans. Do they have a better shot than crayon pop? sure but what i said still stands, its one song that caught some momentum, its meaningless if they cant follow up and judging by their album sales it hasnt exactly brought in a ton of actual fans so they will be relying solely on the public to stay relevant. And even if they do have any sort of decent response for their next song it still wouldnt put them on the level of groups like twice, rv, bp, and mamamoo.


25,000 people showed up to their events in Japan. Their albums sold out everywhere. There were massive lines and queues of people to see them.

Momoland has been consistently a top girl group in brand reputation with multiple members appearing in and even topping the individual girl group member brand reputation index.

Bboom Bboom isn't just a hit song; it's a super hit song. It has over 100k likes on Melon, is still winning music shows and the MV will be the first girl group MV to pass 100 million views.

Unlike Crayon Pop, the group has way more members to stan and is bringing in a ton of international fans, as evidenced by the youtube views.

If Momoland has another hit song, they are well on their way to becoming a top girl group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_pjXizNZ0" data-time="


You can't watch that and think they're going away any time soon.

The girls even made CBS Evening News! Lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05_T3V6-Xsk" data-time="


They're no Crayon Pop.
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Ruddager
04/12/18 6:20:16 PM
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YamaChan posted...
Ruddager posted...
Ruddager posted...
Momoland has had 1 song anyone cared about, id hardly call them popular until we see if they can actually make anything out of it or if they fade away like crayon pop after bar bar bar

momoland has a hit song, and 3 popular members. jooe has like 5 solo CFs now.

crayon pop had a hit song and, 'i don't recognize them without the helmets'. plus chrome ent. was mad incompetent.

i like momoland's chances a lot better.


lets be real, jooe is a one note meme that is bound to play itself out relatively soon and yeonwoo and nancy arent well known to the public and arent exactly pulling in the type of crowd who end up as loyal, money spending fans. Do they have a better shot than crayon pop? sure but what i said still stands, its one song that caught some momentum, its meaningless if they cant follow up and judging by their album sales it hasnt exactly brought in a ton of actual fans so they will be relying solely on the public to stay relevant. And even if they do have any sort of decent response for their next song it still wouldnt put them on the level of groups like twice, rv, bp, and mamamoo.


25,000 people showed up to their events in Japan. Their albums sold out everywhere. There were massive lines and queues of people to see them.

Momoland has been consistently a top girl group in brand reputation with multiple members appearing in and even topping the individual girl group member brand reputation index.

Bboom Bboom isn't just a hit song; it's a super hit song. It has over 100k likes on Melon, is still winning music shows and the MV will be the first girl group MV to pass 100 million views.

Unlike Crayon Pop, the group has way more members to stan and is bringing in a ton of international fans, as evidenced by the youtube views.

If Momoland has another hit song, they are well on their way to becoming a top girl group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_pjXizNZ0" data-time="


You can't watch that and think they're going away any time soon.

The girls even made CBS Evening News! Lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05_T3V6-Xsk" data-time="


They're no Crayon Pop.


First off I never claimed that they were Crayon Pop just that they have the potential to be, and again, even if they do find a way to ride some of this momentum they will be square in the mid-tier with groups like Lovelyz. All those accomplishments you listed are impressive for a low-mid tier group but dont come close to putting them in the same league as the actual top girl groups. Just ask KARD where having a ton of international fans and a paltry Korean fanbase got them. I-Fans are really great at pumping up Youtube views but thats about it, I-fans are notoriously stingy when it comes to actually buying albums or paying for downloads or actually supporting an artist. Also its great that 25000 people came to see them in Japan but that lead to a grand total of less than 5000 albums sold between their japanese album and their korean album, not to mention their korean sales didnt rise at all once their song went viral, in fact half of their sales from their latest album in korea are being investigated for chart manipulation. They arent making actual fans, they will solely rely on if the korean public happens to like their next song to stay relevant. The only GG to stay successful with no fandom was Sistar and they are no Sistar.
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YamaChan
04/12/18 8:32:37 PM
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Ruddager posted...

First off I never claimed that they were Crayon Pop just that they have the potential to be, and again, even if they do find a way to ride some of this momentum they will be square in the mid-tier with groups like Lovelyz


That's just silly. They've put up numbers way bigger than any girl group not named Twice, Red Velvet, Mamamoo, BlackPink or GFriend.

Also why are you putting such a heavy emphasis on physical sales? Twice sells more albums than the 4 other top girl groups combined times 3-4.

That doesn't mean they're not extremely successful groups regardless.

Sistar, Kara, Wonder Girls and Miss A are some of the most successful girl groups of all time, and they never had high album sales.

For girl groups, at the end of the day, it's public recognition and digital performance that matters most, and Momoland is currently dominant in both areas in ways only top girl groups can relate.

And going back to their Japanese fanmeetings, please don't compare a bunch of ifans who stream youtube but never buy anything to Japan losing its shit over Momoland, lining up by the thousands just to see them and buying every album available at every store.

You have a very distorted view of what it takes to be a successful girl group. For instance, Mamamoo became a top girl group before their album sales became respectable. So did GFriend. The same can happen for Momoland.

You go find me a mid-tier girl group that has accomplished what Momoland has, as listed below:

MV approaching 100 million views
100k likes on Melon
Song charting in the Top 2 on Melon
Currently the 2nd highest Gaon Digital Index Score behind only Ikon's Love Scenario, the likely SOTY
6-7 Music Show wins, including a win in 4 consecutive months (only Twice has done this)
25,000 people showing up to their Japanese fanmeet (Again, only Twice pulls in these numbers)
Top 3 in the brand reputation index, with multiple members topping the individual brand reputation index

Again, find me the middle tier girl group with those accomplishments and I'll relent.

But I know I'll be waiting a long, long, long time.

Also, please note I never said Momoland was on the same level as the Big 5 girl groups; I just disagree with your logic and downgrading of their stellar accomplishments in just 4 months. It's something Crayon Pop NEVER did, and there are a lot of positive signs in Momoland's favor.

If they get another big hit, by all objective measurements, Momoland is going to be a top girl group.
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_BlueMonk
04/12/18 8:33:22 PM
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Heize and EXID added to KCON New York this year.

interesting. but im still holding out for twice!
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YamaChan
04/12/18 8:35:33 PM
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_BlueMonk posted...
Heize and EXID added to KCON New York this year.

interesting. but im still holding out for twice!


Good shit! I'm tempted....but I have to save my time and money for Mamamoo.
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PumpkinCoach
04/13/18 12:14:15 AM
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also how dare you, jooe is the nation's meme and the next it girl.
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Rob Cesternino
04/13/18 3:43:57 AM
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Produce 101 China is out, I think. Waiting for that to be subbed
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KainWind
04/14/18 1:35:51 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
LOONA is hinting at debut. w00t.

I have been so into their songs recently.

I finally listened to them recently instead of dealing with the girl of the month stuff for the past year plus. I like a few songs, and I'll probably check them out.
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Sputnik1954
04/14/18 3:38:33 PM
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paerarru
04/14/18 4:28:12 PM
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Sputnik1954 posted...
This topic is tagworthy. :D

woot. Welcome!

I think it's normal to be just a little worried about Momoland's continued success, until they have that follow up. But I agree that their chances look very good, and that's true the fact that a lot of their popularity is focused on some of the members, along with the group as a whole and the song is a good sign. And yeah that crowd certainly looks convincing. I was reminded of IOI. Also I'm really glad that they had their breakthrough with Bboom Bboom which has a strong concept, and Momoland is actually one of the groups that I like their cutesy stuff. Despite whatever issues real or false I think Duble Kick has been pretty savvy in the way they promote them.

Speaking of good comebacks, I wanted to say that I just love everything about April's Blue Bird. I have to confess that after they reformed I tried really hard to like them but there was just something off for me and I kinda lost interest in them. But yeah Blue Bird is really good, I think it's their best song, and my favorite now. I hope they also get more recognition, and DSP doesn't just put them out to farm in Japan.

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Highwind07 posted...
I was never a SoShi so I never knew, lol.

A SoShi fan? A Sone lol. What's the requirement, if you just needed to know Sunny's Lee Sooman's niece then you're a Sone now!

Highwind07 posted...
The only other Thai artists that I know of are BamBam from Got7 and Lisa from Blackpink. We have a lot of few exceptional Chinese idols in the industry already but very few groups actually does well in China or promote in China at all.

Sorn is Thai! That's why. Also Natty, Mint, 2PM Nichkhun... I'm sure I'm missing others, I didn't know one of the Got7 guys is Thai, I only know Jackson.

Highwind07 posted...
Rob Cesternino posted...
Produce 101 China is out, I think. Waiting for that to be subbed


Cheng Xiao, Jackson, and Kyulkyung are some of the trainers so that's interesting.

I was watching some cuts and something intesting is that Pinky was performing with the group that she coached? I guess that was maybe a special mission or something.

PumpkinCoach posted...
also how dare you, jooe is the nation's meme and the next it girl.

...I think it's time we address your unhealthy JooE obsession, Pumpz.
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paerarru
04/14/18 4:34:05 PM
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Oh okay so, okay. I get it now. I didn't know about this.

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PumpkinCoach
04/14/18 7:57:20 PM
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should note that chengxiao was a mentor for 'idol producer', the unlicensed produce 101 copy with male trainees which just ended, while meiqi and xuanyi are participants in 'producer 101 china', the upcoming licensed one with female trainees.

paerarru posted...
...I think it's time we address your unhealthy JooE obsession, Pumpz.

she's great.
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paerarru
04/15/18 10:47:56 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Oh God that is confusing. The Idol Producer one just ended a few days ago and there's this official one that is coming up.

ikr, I probably heard about Produce China and just assumed it was the same as Idol Producer. Or viceversa. Soon we'll have the Japanese thrown into the mix as well, oi.

This song makes me wanna do things with my hips. And my eyebrows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKGxE_tN49k" data-time="


Lo siento despacito momento~

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paerarru
04/17/18 12:41:18 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
There are so many of these reality tv idol contests in recent times.

You can say that again! Nowadays it seems like every group has had a member in one of them at least. Speaking of looks like HUB got reformed, basically changed every member except Rui and Hyosun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7k7q3O5gcg" data-time="


Level Up Project 3: North Korea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV1OGbJcb4w" data-time="


Seriously that must have been so surreal.

Now some important news!

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04/17/18 3:28:44 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
I tried for the longest time to like all Twice members equally but I just can't find any appeal in Nayeon even after all the MVs, the variety show appearances, and even the CFs. I guess that I can at least say that she does have good singing talent.

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_BlueMonk
04/17/18 3:41:45 PM
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im in korea now and i hear kpop everywhere. its so nice :).

we went into the face shop and there were pictures of twice everywhere. i was so happy.
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_BlueMonk
04/17/18 4:02:04 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
@_BlueMonk

I dunno if this is out of your plan but can you take a pic in front of the SM HQ with a sign that says "SM Town"? or JYPE HQ with "JYP Nation"? >_>.

lol. i had planned on going to those plays on sunday.
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YamaChan
04/17/18 6:42:36 PM
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Dammit beaten to the punch
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Gheb
04/18/18 6:47:49 PM
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Do you know what's a sad fact? Girl's Day's greatest release was Nothing Last Forever, but because it came out before the group reinvented itself with Twinkle Twinkle, it's basically forgotten by the group.

I don't know why I thought about that today.
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Gheb
04/19/18 10:15:00 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
I don't know if anyone still like their cute concepts before they switched to being sexy because cute didn't work out for them.


Twinkle Twinkle and Hug Me Once essentially saved Girl's Day from disbanding and are still their biggest selling hits digitally.
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KainWind
04/19/18 1:02:55 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
Gheb posted...
Highwind07 posted...
I don't know if anyone still like their cute concepts before they switched to being sexy because cute didn't work out for them.


Twinkle Twinkle and Hug Me Once essentially saved Girl's Day from disbanding and are still their biggest selling hits digitally.


OIC.

I tried listening to those two songs and I don't know why they made them so high pitched sounding that just sounded irritating.

I like Twinkle Twinkle more than Nothing Lasts Forever, but I like them both. This is my favorite Girl's Day song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHgjaD959c" data-time="


And for Apink's anniversary I'll post the one Apink song I like:
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