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ScareChan posted...

Trade to announce!



49ers get
Nick Foles
10th pick

Ravens get
Big Ben

Confirm
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I confirm my trade with the Wildcats
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ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't have any older drafts but just went through the current ratings of first rounders from 2012 and 2013

I also added it to the positions sheet if you want it in a little better layout

2012
1 MLB Bobby Wagner 83
2 WR Antonio Brown 87
3 CB Joe Haden 85
4 DE Chris Long 81
5 OLB KJ Wright 83
6 QB Russell Wilson 90
7 HB Lesean Mccoy 86
8 DE Jason Pierre Paul 80
9 OT Joe Staley 86
10 DT Ndamukong Suh 93
11 FS Reshad Jones 92
12 HB LeGarrett Blount 84
13 WR Golden Tate 80
14 OT Trent Williams 91
15 QB Andrew Luck 85
16 MLB Aaron Curry 86
17 WR Victor Cruz 79
18 HB Jonathan Stewart 83
19 CB Kareem Jackson 80
20 OT Anthony Costanzo 84
21 QB Matthew Stafford 82
22 OT Russell Okung 87
23 WR Dez Bryant 82
24 DT Gerald McCoy 82
25 QB Brock Osweiler 81
26 DE Michael Johnson 84
27 OT Jared Valdheer 86
28 MLB Luke Keuchly 78
29 DT Domata Peko 78
30 CB Cortez Allen 75
31 QB RG3 79
32 MLB Danny Trevathan 87

2013
1 MLB Kiko Alonso 86
2 QB Ryan Tannehill 93
3 CB Prince Amukamara 83
4 QB Kirk Cousins 87
5 HB Doug Martin 90
6 DT Geno Atkins 88
7 OT Tyron Smith 84
8 MLB Dont'a Hightower 82
9 OT Mitchell Schwartz 85
10 OLB Jelani Jenkins 82
11 DE J.J. Watt 83
12 QB EJ Manuel 85
13 G Miku Iupati 83
14 CB Ras-I Dowling 80
15 HB Demarco Murray 88
16 OLB Jamie Collins 81
17 OT Anthony Davis 84
18 CB Morris Claiborne 79
19 CB Aaron Williams 79
20 OLB Nick Perry 84
21 WR Doug Baldwin 83
22 SS T.J. Ward 85
23 OT Marcus Cannon 85
24 OLB Barkavious Mingo 83
25 OT Ben Ijalana 84
26 OT Matt Kalil 90
27 OLB John Simon 82
28 MLB Perry Riley 78
29 DE Ryan Kerrigan 80
30 DT Jurrell Casey 81
31 DT Jared Odrick 77
32 FS Tony Jefferson 87

Interesting note here as I was going through my spreadsheet, I have a note here I completely forgot about:

'Stevr says Ben Ijalana will be the steal of the draft'

Not far off base Stevr! That has to go to kalil but ijalana isn't doing bad for himself.
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Also double post, but for my fellow mock drafter's convenience as well as the others, I believe this is the 1st rd draft order after these last few trades go through:

1. Redskins
2. Bears
3. Lightning
4. Chiefs
5. Colts
6. Dolphins (via Browns)
7. Packers
8. Seahawks
9. Cowboys (via Steelers)
10. 49ers (via Ravens)
11. Wildcats
12. Raiders
13. Pumpkins
14. Hawks
15. Lions
16. Browns (via 49ers)
17. Buccaneers
18. Dolphins (via Titans)
19. Bills (via Patriots)
20. Jaguars
21. Falcons
22. Bills
23. Giants
24. Jets
25. Ravens (via Vikings)
26. Panthers
27. Bengals
28. Pioneers
29. Browns (via Dolphins)
30. Giants (via Cowboys via Rams)
31. Cowboys
32. Broncos
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49ers also own my #10 pick after the Big Ben trade
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I will no longer be in possession of the 18th pick if my trade goes through.
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Emeraldegg posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't have any older drafts but just went through the current ratings of first rounders from 2012 and 2013

I also added it to the positions sheet if you want it in a little better layout

2012
1 MLB Bobby Wagner 83
2 WR Antonio Brown 87
3 CB Joe Haden 85
4 DE Chris Long 81
5 OLB KJ Wright 83
6 QB Russell Wilson 90
7 HB Lesean Mccoy 86
8 DE Jason Pierre Paul 80
9 OT Joe Staley 86
10 DT Ndamukong Suh 93
11 FS Reshad Jones 92
12 HB LeGarrett Blount 84
13 WR Golden Tate 80
14 OT Trent Williams 91
15 QB Andrew Luck 85
16 MLB Aaron Curry 86
17 WR Victor Cruz 79
18 HB Jonathan Stewart 83
19 CB Kareem Jackson 80
20 OT Anthony Costanzo 84
21 QB Matthew Stafford 82
22 OT Russell Okung 87
23 WR Dez Bryant 82
24 DT Gerald McCoy 82
25 QB Brock Osweiler 81
26 DE Michael Johnson 84
27 OT Jared Valdheer 86
28 MLB Luke Keuchly 78
29 DT Domata Peko 78
30 CB Cortez Allen 75
31 QB RG3 79
32 MLB Danny Trevathan 87

2013
1 MLB Kiko Alonso 86
2 QB Ryan Tannehill 93
3 CB Prince Amukamara 83
4 QB Kirk Cousins 87
5 HB Doug Martin 90
6 DT Geno Atkins 88
7 OT Tyron Smith 84
8 MLB Dont'a Hightower 82
9 OT Mitchell Schwartz 85
10 OLB Jelani Jenkins 82
11 DE J.J. Watt 83
12 QB EJ Manuel 85
13 G Miku Iupati 83
14 CB Ras-I Dowling 80
15 HB Demarco Murray 88
16 OLB Jamie Collins 81
17 OT Anthony Davis 84
18 CB Morris Claiborne 79
19 CB Aaron Williams 79
20 OLB Nick Perry 84
21 WR Doug Baldwin 83
22 SS T.J. Ward 85
23 OT Marcus Cannon 85
24 OLB Barkavious Mingo 83
25 OT Ben Ijalana 84
26 OT Matt Kalil 90
27 OLB John Simon 82
28 MLB Perry Riley 78
29 DE Ryan Kerrigan 80
30 DT Jurrell Casey 81
31 DT Jared Odrick 77
32 FS Tony Jefferson 87

Interesting note here as I was going through my spreadsheet, I have a note here I completely forgot about:

'Stevr says Ben Ijalana will be the steal of the draft'

Not far off base Stevr! That has to go to kalil but ijalana isn't doing bad for himself.

There was an 88 OT drafted in the second round

Emeraldegg posted...

STAN KIPER AND EGG MCSHAY 1ST ROUND PREDICTIONS

Do you guys still have the ones from previous years? I'd love to give those a read again before the draft.
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2012 Draft
As far as I know we don't have a google doc for this year as it was the first year we did our mock drafts. I still have the PMs we sent each other so I just threw them into this google doc here. No idea what picks we got right but if you want to peruse the roster sheets you can probably get a good idea. Though I know I acquired Peko from the Falcons I think so that method won't be 100% accurate.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ccxL1WIb2WzbbqVkQ5k_I4lkLtUjdl-bHyRPPpq9yJc

Also for some reason when I copied my write ups from where ever I wrote them in to the PM to Emerald all the apostrophes got turned into an 'a' so that's weird.

2013 Draft
I kinda went a pick deep into the comments on this one and couldn't fit it into 2 PMs to Emerald so I just made a google doc for it and Emerald followed my lead. For mine, bolded mocks were correct picks and italicized mocks were picks where the position was right but the player was wrong.

Stan Kiper's Mock Draft: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1itTA0_SF1_VbBe5jrmCuybfvsVn60VeWTLxlij1H5YQ

Egg McShay's Mock Draft: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14TPoneea2Ns7p-vjqZXwQ0UNSxZjBp4fcPrFrIT7mQU

Pick 1 Redskins - SS rated top of the draft board. Redskins have zero SS's on their roster. I mean we can all safely say that the Redskins are going to take SS Andrew Sendejo with the first pick right? Right. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they reach for Bridgewater since they released their starting QB and their next in line is an 83.

Pick 2 Bears - I'd imagine the Bears will take CB Janoris Jenkins with their pick since they are mediocre at CB and good CB's are hard to come by.

Pick 3 Lightning - The Lightning probably take HB Mark Ingram since their starting HB is only an 86 and the AI doesn't undervalue HB's as much as users. If somehow Sendejo slides they take him which I guess is possible since we all know the AI cheats and reaches for players who then unsurprisingly turn out to be really good. So it's entirely possible Redskins reach at 1.

Pick 4 Chiefs - This is trickier. I could see them taking either QB Teddy Bridgewater or WR Julio Jones. Personally I'd take Julio Jones since young WR talent is really hard to find and there's QB's available in FA. That might be complicated by Chiefs current WR crew and the fact they took Dez Bryant in the 1st 2 years ago (although he doesn't look to be developing as of right now). The lure of a Top 5 QB when Jacobs has been on the slide rating wise the last 2 seasons might be too strong though. Especially when you look at recent QB's taken high (Tannehill and Wilson). I think they take QB Teddy Bridgewater.

Pick 5 Colts - The Colts have needs at quite a few positions so there's a few candidates here. Weak at QB, weak at Guard and only 1 DE on the roster. They should take a DE Everson Griffin but I wouldn't rule out them taking Bridgewater if he's still available.

Pick 6 Dolphins - Dolphins have a hole at DE so Bjoern Werner would fit but I also wouldn't rule out them taking Julio Jones here if he slips since Kelly Campbell is 34 and the league does an all around terrible job of developing WR's so trading for a replacement isn't usually viable. The Dolphins are one of a few teams who would likely be able to develop a WR. Yeah, thinking about it they take Julio Jones if he's available. Bjoern Werner if he's not.

Pick 7 Packers - The Packers have a very weak second DE and there's going to be either 1 or 2 Top 10 DE's still on the board here. They take DE Bjoern Werner to rectify it unless Julio is somehow still on the board and then I think they take him instead since they have an aging WR1 and their WR2 is only an 80. So I guess there's a chance they reach for AJ Green here too. CB Desmond Trufant could be an option too.

Pick 8 Seahawks - Man the Seahawks are baffling. Their team looks solid but they never seem to do anything. They do have a hole at CB and are already weak there so they likely take CB Desmond Trufant

Pick 9 Cowboys - Originally my pick and I didn't mind trading out of it since I realized all the people I wanted would be gone so I'd be left reaching for either AJ Green or one of the 3 linebackers which is why I would have moved back if not for the surprise offer from the Cowboys. Anyway, Cowboys pick! They have holes all over the place (HB, WR, CB, FS, TE, G, DT, OLB, MLB, K) so they have a lot of options. If we narrow it down to the holes where they need a Day 1 starter we're left with WR, CB, OLB plus a weakish second DE. So the Cowboys needs here are actually identical to what mine were with this pick. I don't think they trade up this high to reach that low for an OLB despite that hole being massive. And they aren't trading up for a CB when they gave one away in that trade. I think they take WR AJ Green given the drop off to the next WR

Guess I can do one more before getting back to work....

Pick 10 49'ers - This pick is super interesting because the need is obvious but then the context surrounding it makes it murkier. The 49'ers had an 85 rated QB sat behind an aging 91 rated QB. So they were set at the position until they weren't. They let their young back-up walk in RFA and then trade away their elite starter for this pick. So they now have an obvious need at QB and they have Johnny Manziel sat right there somewhere near the top of the draft board. The rest of the top end of the draft will likely be all positions they don't really need (G, OT, DE). So the pick is obvious but the circumstances that got them the pick make it questionable. Did they make the trade to try reset at QB? Or did they make the trade because they saw the talent available in FA at QB?

Typically you're looking at a low-mid 80's rating here. Would the league have raised eyebrows if that trade was QB Big Ben 91 for QB Johnny Manziel 82? 83? 84? 85? At what number does it stop raising eyebrows? Because there's a decent chance we see that happen here and Manziel is like an 82-83.

So then we're left looking at option 2. Scare did it to grab a QB in FA and take another player here. Which is the better route in my opinion. Except I don't see anybody here for him to take. Maybe a Guard given the age of what he currently has? But it's a guard heavy draft so he doesn't have to do that here and do you trade away your elite QB for a pick that sits on the bench? Maybe he's hoping a CB is still on the board? So the state of the board bring us back to option 1.

49'ers picks QB Johnny Manziel. Or likely they don't and he has something obvious in mind and I'm totally overthinking this whole thing

MysteriousStan posted...

2012 Draft
As far as I know we don't have a google doc for this year as it was the first year we did our mock drafts. I still have the PMs we sent each other so I just threw them into this google doc here. No idea what picks we got right but if you want to peruse the roster sheets you can probably get a good idea. Though I know I acquired Peko from the Falcons I think so that method won't be 100% accurate. Actually, Shattered has the list of the first round picks here already so there you go.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ccxL1WIb2WzbbqVkQ5k_I4lkLtUjdl-bHyRPPpq9yJc

Also for some reason when I copied my write ups from where ever I wrote them in to the PM to Emerald all the apostrophes got turned into an 'a' so that's weird.

2013 Draft
I kinda went a pick deep into the comments on this one and couldn't fit it into 2 PMs to Emerald so I just made a google doc for it and Emerald followed my lead. For mine, bolded mocks were correct picks and italicized mocks were picks where the position was right but the player was wrong.

Stan Kiper's Mock Draft: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1itTA0_SF1_VbBe5jrmCuybfvsVn60VeWTLxlij1H5YQ

Egg McShay's Mock Draft: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14TPoneea2Ns7p-vjqZXwQ0UNSxZjBp4fcPrFrIT7mQU

I don't have writeup for 2012 but I do have the picks for both of us as well as who was picked
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aNF_EH64M_pC5MnP5MIMjd5-PuIXlH2U1wSUjASSTcs/edit?usp=sharing

2012 mock 1st rd
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These 3 are on the trade block

CB Ashton Youboty (78 - 28yo)
SS JJ Wilcox (83 - 26yo)
SS Levi Marquadt (77 - 23yo)

I know I just acquired Marquadt but didn't realise I'd be getting a 91 SS when I made that trade and wasn't going to back out of the agreement.

Selling point of those SSs are they are on great contracts.

I believe all five trades were confirmed by all parties, so all five are now official.
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I also neglected to mention earlier that if you do wish to attend the live draft and didn't last season, you will need to give me your email tied to your Google account so I can add you to the database/permissions list.
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Man looking back at the 2012 mock, I got completely manhandled by Stan in that one. I had forgotten just how bad it was. Maybe this year I'll finally tip the scales.
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I'm looking to acquire a low 1st round pick or high-mid 2nd round pick. If you're interested in moving back let me know.

KCF, do you know if you'll be able to update the sheet before the draft reflecting all these trades?
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I hope to by Wednesday or Thursday. I have everything written down regarding trades and other tasks that were requested of me.
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TRADE ALERT

Jags receive
CB Tracy Porter (80)
Pats 3rd Round Draft Pick

Pats receive
LT Russell Okung (87)
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Accept
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Pick 11 Wildcats - Little bit of an unfortunate position for the Wildcats here. They are a team who have plenty of positions where a 1st rounder would be a surefire day 1 starter but the board isn't kind to them with Guards, Offensive Tackles and Defensive Ends the players leftover from what we know of the board where they are already well set at. It might make more sense for them to try move back but if they don't then I think they reach for OLB Anthony Barr where they have holes and the players they do have aren't highly rated.

Pick 12 Raiders - The Raiders are quite fortunate here. They have a starter hole at Guard and that's what has slid down the board for them to take here. They take G Trai Turner

Pick 13 Pumpkins - This one could be interesting purely because it's a new user picking here and we have no idea what he will value. The Pumpkins have a pretty solid team, I'm surprised they are picking this high. One of their weaker positions is OLB, which seems to be a weakening position across the league, so depending on how much of a reach it is I can see them taking the other 1st round OLB Christian Kirksey. If WR AJ Green was still on the board, it would be a good fit too but I doubt he lasts this long. I's also entirely possible we get a surprise pick here

Pick 14 Hawks - I'm not sure how much the AI will reach for a player unless they really rate them like the FS reach a few seasons back. In which case the Hawks might reach for a CB here. But since they have a hole at Guard and there's a G near the top of the big board I think they go for G David Decastro.

Pick 15 Lions - This might be another scenario of a team lucking into the best player available when they have a gaping hole at that position. The Lions only have 3 DE's on the roster and their second starter is rated 73. DE Robert Quinn was rated as the 9th best prospect but drops to them at 15 here. If for whatever reason he's not there they still have options here. There's 2 more DE's projected in the next cluster plus a CB and MLB. All positions where whoever they draft would project to be a Day 1 starter.

Pick 16 Browns - The Browns interior line was gutted this offseason and if I remember right they had huge injury problems with it last season too. This is where they can rectify that. They have 2 options here, they could snag one of the 2 OT's left on the big board and flip them to Guard or they could take a Guard straight up with G Kevin Zeitler and G Gabe Jackson likely on the big board by now. I think they take the less risky option of G Kevin Zeitler as positions flips are a little bit riskier. Whoever they draft figures to start on Day 1 though.

Pick 17 Buccaneers - The Bucs are atrocious at OLB but there's no option for them here without reaching which I think AI teams are less prone to doing. If this were a user controlled team then I think we'd see OLB Pernell McPhee or possibly QB Tom Savage go here. I think the AI are a little more prone to taking the best player available though and as they also have a hole at OT I think they take OT Riley Reiff

Pick 18 Wildcats - Second pick of the round for the Wildcats and the board is likely to be a bit more favorable to them at this point. After grabbing an OLB earlier in the round, it's possible they snag another here but I don't think they reach at the same position twice in 1st when they have a couple of other options. DT Tyson Alualu would slot in as their lead DT if they took him, MLB Lavonte David could be an option if they run 3-4 (or switch to it) and CB Stephon Gilmore would likely get into their starting rotation too. So this one might be a case of whoever is higher on the board. Let's go with DT Tyson Alualu

Trade to announce

Lions Receive
CB Ashton Youboty (78 - 28yo)

Steelers Receive
WR OJ Murdock (83 - 28yo)

Despite the rating difference this is basically a like for like trade. Youboty is CB59 in the league. Murdock is WR59 in the league. I have 5 CBs. Nee has 5 WRs. Works out well!

Hi, I can confirm that this is a trade
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Pick 19 Bills - The Bills could be a strange one here. Their interior O-line is pretty non-existent and they have a huge gaping hole at C. However, I know from personal dealing with them via trades they had no interests in improving those positions via trade at least. Now it could be because they intended on addressing it in the draft and free agency or it could be they truly don't care about that position. If they want to improve their O-line then G Gabe Jackson fits well. But Guard is also pretty deep this year so if we step away from the O-line then we are looking at MLB Lavonte David, CB Stephon Gilmore and either DE Margus Hunt or Cameron Wake as potential starters. This could come down to whoever is listed higher on the board but might not be as cut and dry as that with a second pick at 22. If this was their only pick I think they take DE Margus Hunt but as they have another pick coming up, I think they play it differently and take CB Stephon Gilmore who likely isn't there at 22

Pick 20 Jaguars - The Jags are pretty solid across the board. The two positions that stand out is they don't have a great second starting DE and they are 2 CB's light on the depth chart. If the Bills don't take CB Stephon Gilmore at 19 then I think the Jags snag him at 20. However with him off the board I think they take DE Margus Hunt who still fits well.

Pick 21 Falcons - Yet another teams lucks into a player falling down the board at their position of need. With no starting caliber second OT, the Falcons have OT Terron Armstead fall into their lap at 21.

Pick 22 Bills - The Bills are back up and whilst DE Margus Hunt isn't on the board anymore, DE Cameron Wake is. So by waiting a few picks, they still get to address their 2 needs. Not guaranteed to get the same result if they take the DE at 19. If for whatever reason they do take the DE at 19, then I think MLB Lavonte David is a likely candidate here instead.

Bump
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Bumpers
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Oh shoot, I should put together a draft plan
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Trade to announce

Chiefs Receive
SS J.J. Wilcox (83 - 25 yo)

Steelers Receive
Chiefs 2nd Round Pick (4th in round)

The Chiefs approve this transaction
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And looking at the likely board state where that pick is, I actually have no idea what I'll do with it. Likely reach a whole lot.

So I likely wouldn't be opposed to moving up or down from it

sent in a draft list in case I am not here, but hopefully I will be
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The people demand the annalysis of Egg McShay
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Im curious to hear what people have to say about me trading big ben.I think I took a gamble, but I think I can still make a push this season
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My mock draft is done but I'm going to look it over once more and I'll be posting it tomorrow sometime before the draft.

MysteriousStan posted...

My mock draft is done but I'm going to look it over once more and I'll be posting it tomorrow sometime before the draft.

I will be finishing mine tonight.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Trade to announce

Chiefs Receive
SS J.J. Wilcox (83 - 25 yo)

Steelers Receive
Chiefs 2nd Round Pick (4th in round)

Revising this. In no way affects Chiefs so shouldn't need reconfirmation from them

Chiefs Receive
SS J.J. Wilcox (83 - 25 yo)

49ers Receive
Chiefs 2nd Round Pick (4th in round)

Steelers Receive
MLB Bryan Vinson (84 - 27yo)

If that's not cool. I'll just wait for original trade to process then repost the second part of the trade but I think it's fine to do this?

Im cool with that
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Yeah, just not sure if KCF will accept that. Last time I tried it I got told he wouldn't accept it in future but I also didn't put it in the form of a 3 way trade which I think was the problem

Trade to announce:

49ers receive:
Bills' 3rd round pick
Bills' 4th round pick

Bills receive:
Roberto Garza (95 ovr; 35 yrs old)
49ers' 4th round pick

ScareChan posted...

Im curious to hear what people have to say about me trading big ben.I think I took a gamble, but I think I can still make a push this season

I thought maybe it was an overreaction to a disappointing season at first, but who knows. Perhaps a change is needed. With the success these first round QBs have had recently i couldn't blame you for going that route.
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theawesomestevr posted...

Trade to announce:

49ers receive:
Bills' 3rd round pick
Bills' 4th round pick

Bills receive:
Roberto Garza (95 ovr; 35 yrs old)
49ers' 4th round pick

confirm
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I do not understand the 49ers/Bills trade in terms of compensation.
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I have been so busy that I almost felt like I needed to delay the draft for another week. I have decided to continue with the current plans and be woefully unprepared the next three days. I haven't even done my seasonal complete draft info full of name changes, draft strategies, and plans for all unaccounted for user teams if I am required to make decisions for them. I will frantically get all of that info in a spreadsheetn(for my eyes only) by draft time tomorrow.

A few things to mention:

- Pats/Jags trade is official
- Steelers/Lions trade is official
- The Chiefs/49ers/Steelers trade is now amended to have the 24 hour peer review period end at 5:32 PM ET on Friday, May 18th.
- I am probably going to require all pre-draft pick trades occur at least 72 hours prior to the first day of the draft. Draft picks trades during the draft will still be fine but obviously only among those who come to the live draft.
- I will not issue a decision until likely after the first day of the draft, but I am currently wavering between using my commish powers on the 49ers/Bills trade, but I have more pressing things to do at the moment.
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AI Trade #1

Vikings receive:
WR Cameron Colvin

Patriots receive:
LE Ian Gold

Jukkie needs to confirm this and this is under 24 hour peer review. Jukkie can explain his reasoning for making this trade to you as Ian Gold is 36 years old. I assume it is a salary dump though.
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AI Trade #2

Bills receive:
WR Ernie Wheelwright
CB Justin King
RG Robert Turner

Redskins receive:
QB Brady Quinn
WR Selwyn Lymon
RG Justin Schifano

stevr needs to confirm this, and the trade is under 24 hour peer review. I also ask that I reserve the right to void this trade if the Redskins select a QB with the #1 overall pick since this trade would become official after that pick is made.

So everyone probably knows by know that the, uh, old regime's business approach left the Redskins in a multi-season poor financial state that appears could be much better starting next season. As a result though, the Redskins have not been able to field a deep team, and most of their best players are on the wrong side of 30. This trade has them giving up their 27-year-old corner, a position that is a touchy subject here. However, the talent at the position has noticeably improved over the past two seasons. They also give up a 32-year-old RG and 29-year-old WR.

In return though, the Redskins receive youth and talent. Lymon is two years younger, and three points better than Wheelwright, and Lymon is a far more accomplished receiver (and returner). Schifano is six years younger than Turner (and only three points worse). Redskins also receive a 90-overall, 30-year-old QB in Quinn. While Quinn hasn't had a great career, he is coming off of a Pro Bowl season that saw his rating rise by five or six points. This also plugs one of the Redskins biggest holes that hasn't been properly filled since Drew Brees left town. Yes, this creates a big hole at CB for the Redskins (Bills too at QB), and I don't really have a rebuttal for that, but it is essentially impossible to have a stud team at every position.
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I confirm.

Oh, and if the draft needed to be pushed back a week, the Bills would not object.

As far as the trade with the 49ers, I guess you think we're not giving up enough? I thought Jeff Saturday was going to turn 37 this year and he retired, so I definitely would not be comfortable giving up much more than what I have for a center at the end of their career.

If you think Scare could do much better with a player-for-player deal with the AI or someone else, then I understand the hesitance.

I am only doing this deal now because of certain off-season plans that I wasn't sure I was previously going to enact. Otherwise, I'm not really convinced it would be worth it for the Bills to surrender a 3rd round pick for a player at the end of their career.

I can go into detail after the draft tomorrow, but I thought that the trade would appear to be fair if the 49ers did not have to surrender their 4th round pick. Its inclusion changes the entire perception of it.
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