Board 8 > Board 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 10: The Offseason

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KCF0107 posted...

I do not understand the 49ers/Bills trade in terms of compensation.

I felt like a 3rd round was the most I could get for him, unless I am undervaluing that. And he asked to swap 4s and I felt that was fine

If you need another week then by all means take your time. This is the most users in the project I think so needing more time for you to handle what you need is more than reasonable
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Oh, I just saw when the trade was made and it will fall under my complete jurisdiction given the time it was presented. I will make sure to give my final decision following the completion of round two. In its present format, I will say that it is unlikely that I will approve it, but I will try and find the time tomorrow to see if I can present counter-arguments to each of my current complaints toward it.
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I'll send in a draft plan for you although it's gonna be really simple and likely what you do if you have no plan received by a user. I don't have a pick in the first 3 rounds anyway

I sent in my plan prior to my trade but i think my flowchart still makes sense. I want to be there still but i have plans tonight so things arent looking good
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Damn, I'm surprised the Redskins were willing to part with a young talent like King. AI teams are usually pretty stingy about stuff like that.

Funny that the two other AI teams that I offered Colbert to ended up trading for a different WR anyway.
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Lymon is an elite returner (I assume) and younger which probably plays into it.

I'm kinda jelly of that trade tbh. I had no idea Lymon was available and have wanted him for a while

confirm

salary dump
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Also the Redskins salary woes are not my fault.

I didnt sign 900 WR and 45 QB's to the roster. They did
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I was not able to finish writeups last night so I'll finish them up a couple hours before the draft (don't get off till 5). Sorry, real life stuff going on.
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Redskins could just be a byproduct of having what I have to assume is a ton of salary tied up in their OL since OL isn't cheap, especially OT
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I mean that, but the season after I took over the Pats they signed like 3 extra QB's. Also at one point I think they had like 8 WR on their roster. The most expensive positions and they had a ton of them.
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Submitted my day 1 draft board because I will have to drive for a few hours tonight
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Hey KCF or someone else in the B8 discord can you please ping me when the draft starts.
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I will try to remember
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Egg Mcshay's 2014 first rd mock. Sorry if I went kinda skimpy on the writeup, life stuff and all that.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sg3Sn39phKZ_rK5tTgfmRUdp5NXMSZc1NXP9G8DQ39E/edit?usp=sharing
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Egg McShay>>>Stan Kiper i guess.
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Pshh. I was just finishing up.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7z9In9p8J0t6VhGcAEmEUNwzJAAdUACA0OHLL9fzGM/edit

profDEADPOOL posted...

Another trade

Wildcats receive:
Titans 1st round pick (18th overall)
Jaguars 3rd round pick (84th overall)
Dolphins 6th round pick (189th? overall)

Dolphins receive
Wildcats 2nd round pick (43rd overall)
Titans 2nd round pick 50th overall)
Wildcats 4th round pick 107th overall)

*looks at Emerald's mock*

*looks at this*

Erm.

Also Stan yours requires me to request access.
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Oops. Forgot to change the settings. Should be good to go now.

Ok. Time to finish this up!

Pick 23 Giants - The Giants have a gaping hole at Guard and that is what I originally had them pegged to take. Then I thought about it a bit more. The Giants also have an aging MLB with no established second DT so are pretty flexible as to whether they play 3-4 or 4-3. This is also a deep draft for Guard with some aging yet passable Guards available in free agency. Whereas acquiring a starting caliber MLB or DT looks a lot trickier this offseason. Maybe I'm putting my own personal slant on this as it's what I would do but I have them taking MLB Lavonte David

Pick 24 Jets - It's always harder to place what the AI is going to do. We don't have their contract information available and they are a lot more prone to taking the best player available. The Jets also have minimal holes. I think this could be a case of them just taking the best player that is left on the board which leaves me just kinda throwing the dice here. They have an aging QB so it could be Savage taken. They also aren't super strong on the O-line, tackle in particular, so could go there too. I'll go with OT Alejandro Villanueva but I'm really just pissing in the wind and hoping for the best on this one.

Pick 25 Ravens - The Ravens opted out of using a high pick to because they didn't like the look of the board. I did originally type out a whole bunch of uncertainty about the board not being much better here but I completely overlooked a player. Originally I pondered that their weaker positions being FS and DT but the board not looking great for a DT and their starting FS being very young. I thought about the prospect of taking a QB as Big Ben is aging. So then I thought about reaching for an MLB and reverting to 3-4 but their back-up MLB not being awful by league standards. Then I opened my eyes and noticed DT Marcell Dareus is right there to fill that DT gap for them and deleted the huge swathes I had written about them.

Pick 26 Panthers - The Panthers have a pretty solid team with the only real weakness looking to be at OLB. So if OLB Pernell McPhee is on the board I'd say they take him as he'd probably start from the get go. If for whatever reason he's not available then I'd say they take MLB Chris Borland and either have him fill that hole or flip him to OLB which a lot of users have had luck doing.

Pick 27 Bengals - The Bengals have quite a few weak areas in their team so I have no doubt they will draft a starter here. There's no WR's to fill their hole and the most viable OLB probably just went off the board. There's a chance they could take MLB Chris Borland to fill the hole there or possibly CB Josh Norman. But I think they actually go for QB Tom Savage who has plummeted and probably immediately becomes the best QB on their roster. EDIT: Apparently QB Tom Savage was renamed QB Case Keenum after I filled in my spreadsheet. So I mean Keenum here.

Getting dinner made late tonight, but I'll try to wrap it up in time to attend the draft from the start.
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Pick 28 Pioneers - I don't know how much the AI pays attention to their roster composition versus the board but their weak areas are that MLB/DT tandem except they have FIVE DTs on their roster, most of which are way below average, to go along with their starting 82 MLB which is the lower end of the spectrum. So MLB Chris Borland leaps out from that standpoint. They also have a thoroughly mediocre CB crew but again they have 5 of those, one of which is a 55 (not a typo) so CB Josh Norman would become another possibility. They only have 2 DE's on the roster which make DE Mohammed Wilkerson viable. Then to top it off I know they have an aging HB and Leveon Bell has slid down the board. So with tons of options I'm going to narrow it down to their holes (DE/HB) and then gut tells me they go best available which would be HB Le'veon Bell despite me thinking that's the wrong option.

Pick 29 Browns - I'm not even going to look at their roster before slotting G Gabe Jackson here who has slid a whole ton. I know they had horrendous O-line issues last year and this would be step one into fixing that.

Pick 30 Giants - The Giants resurface for their second pick of the round which I rather stupidly did not look ahead to when doing their earlier pick. As if I had then I would have likely said they take a Guard at 23 and an MLB here which means the Browns couldn't take Gabe Jackson at 29. Ugh... do I go back and change it? No fuck it. The Giants think way further ahead than me and see this as an opportunity to shore up their CB's and take CB Josh Norman safe in the knowledge there's tons of Guards to be had later (Spoilers: They probably don't. They likely take G Gabe Jackson at 23 and then CB Josh Norman or MLB Chris Borland here)

Pick 31 Cowboys - Another 1st round pick up for the Cowboys and now I scroll back to see what I wrote about them first time. Something about tons of holes but board not being friendly I'm sure. Ok yeah, now I remember. Cowboys fill another hole here by taking MLB Chris Borland. He can either sit behind their established starter or they can flip him to OLB (which I'm not sure if Wiz is hands on enough to do)

Pick 32 Broncos - I don't need to look at the Broncos to know they are ridiculously good across the board. I do however know they released their superbowl winning QB without anyone special sat behind him. So they fill that hole with the best available QB which is probably QB Derek Carr

Dammit, too many trades. Fine, let me go back and see if I can revise

Okay my mock is now revised.
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And since the cool kids put their drafts into a google doc I guess I will

Emerald suggested Shattered Cock for a name for Mike Maycock but it seems like his name is actually Mayock. So I'll go with Shattered Brooks instead of Bucky Brooks as it flows better

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SUmahsZpxOn93kEIjlAnpeFYgAD8AFrVBVZUddk-DIE/edit?usp=sharing

how does I open the chat??
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There's a "show chat" option in the spreadsheet. You have to be signed in and have access to it though. You'll have to talk to KCF if you don't have access.

KCF0107 posted...

The draft used to be done on the board, but it took like 14 days, and I am not as available like I once was, so I switched it to a three-day live draft five or six seasons ago. The live draft takes place in the hub spreadsheet. Due to new changes for Google Docs, you must be signed into a Google account or you will appear as an anonymous animal/noun. While I don't believe that anyone would impersonate another user, I do require that people are signed in or I will not accept any picks they make.

For convenience, here is a link to side-by-side picks for all 3 gurus, as well as links within to each of our writeups:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dMYwnlf6qpfbc7IOKh2VXjycCJ_DIRL2Zwvb8Mco_TU/edit#gid=0
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Round 1 Recap
1. Redskins - Alabama WR Julio Jones
2. Bears - South Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins
3. Lightning - UCLA OLB Anthony Barr
4. Chiefs - Rice SS Andrew Sendejo
5. Colts - Florida St. DE Bjoern Werner
6. Dolphins - Georgia WR A.J. Green
7. Packers - USC DE Everson Griffen
8. Seahawks - Iowa OT Riley Reiff
9. Cowboys - Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel
10. 49ers - LSU G Trai Turner
11. Wildcats - North Carolina DE Robert Quinn
12. Raiders - Nebraska MLB Lavonte David
13. Pumpkins - Iowa OLB Christian Kirksey
14. Hawks - Alabama DT Marcell Dareus
15. Lions - SMU DE Margus Hunt
16. Browns - Alabama HB Mark Ingram
17. Buccaneers - Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater
18. Wildcats - California DT Tyson Alualu
19. Bills - Washington CB Desmond Trufant
20. Jaguars - South Carolina CB Stephon Gillmore
21. Falcons - Mississippi St. OLB Pernell McPhee
22. Bills - Fresno St. QB Derek Carr
23. Giants - Stanford G David Decastro
24. Jets - Florida C Maurkice Pouncey
25. Ravens - Arkansas Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead
26. Patriots - Houston QB Case Keenum
27. Bengals - LSU DT Michael Brockers
28. Pioneers - Michigan St. HB Le'Veon Bell
29. Browns - Wisconsin G Kevin Zeitler
30. Giants - Coastal Carolina CB Josh Norman
31. Cowboys - Mississippi St. G Gabe Jackson
32. Broncos - Penn St. DE Cameron Wake
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Round 2 Recap
1. Redskins - Vanderbilt CB Casey Hayward
2. Bears - Wisconsin MLB Chris Borland
3. Lightning - Boise St. C Matt Paradis
4. 49ers - Alabama FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
5. Colts - Florida St. FS Lamarcus Joyner
6. Browns - Miami of Ohio G Brandon Brooks
7. Packers - Army OT Alejandro Villanueva
8. Seahawks - Temple DE Muhammad Wilkerson
9. Dolphins - BYU OLB Kyle Van Noy
10. Dolphins - Central Michigan OT Eric Fisher
11. Dolphins - UCLA DE Cassius Marsh
12. Raiders - UCF QB Blake Bortles
13. Pumpkins - Oregon St. WR Brandin Cooks
14. Hawks - Alabama CB Dre Kirkpatrick
15. Lions - UConn CB Dwayne Gratz
16. 49ers - North Carolina QB Bryce Rivers
17. Dolphins - UCLA G Xavier Su'a-Filo
18. Dolphins - Cincinnati DT Derek Wolfe
19. Patriots - Kent St. WR Julian Edelman
20. Dolphins - Alabama HB Eddie Lacy
21. Falcons - Florida Atlantic HB Alfred Morris
22. Bills - Oklahoma MLB Corey Nelson
23. Giants - Stanford DT Sione Fua
24. Jets - NC St. QB Mike Glennon
25. Vikings - Notre Dame HB Theo Riddick
26. 49ers - Ohio St. OLB Ryan Shazier
27. Bengals - Alabama CB Dee Milliner
28. Pioneers - Ohio St. DE Cameron Hayward
29. Titans - Georgia Tech OLB Cato Williams
30. Rams - USC OLB Devon Kennard
31. Wildcats - Northern Iowa OLB Isaac Barnes
32. Broncos - Iowa DE Adrian Clayborn
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Revised trade that Scare wanted me to post:

49ers receive:
Bills' 3rd round pick
Bills' 4th round pick

Bills receive:
Roberto Garza

NFL Draft Order
1. Redskins
2. Bears
3. Lightning
4. Chiefs
5. Colts
6. Browns
7. Packers
8. Seahawks
9. Steelers
10. Ravens
11. Wildcats
12. Raiders
13. Pumpkins
14. Hawks
15. Lions
16. 49ers
17. Buccaneers
18. Titans
19. Patriots
20. Jaguars
21. Falcons
22. Bills
23. Giants
24. Jets
25. Vikings
26. Panthers
27. Bengals
28. Pioneers
29. Dolphins
30. Rams
31. Cowboys
32. Broncos

Buccaneers own the Packers' 3rd round pick
Cowboys own the Rams' 3rd round pick
Dolphins own the Browns' 3rd round pick, Panthers' 3rd round pick, 49ers' 6th round pick
49ers own the Dolphins' 5th round pick
Giants own the Wildcats' 3rd round pick, Jaguars' 3rd round pick
Jaguars own the Patriots' 3rd round pick, Steelers' 4th round pick, Dolphins' 7th round pick
Panthers own the Steelers' 3rd + 5th round picks, Titans' 6th round pick, Patriots' 7th round pick
Patriots own the Bills' 7th round pick
Ravens own the Dolphins' 3rd round pick
Steelers own the Chiefs' 4th round pick
Titans own the Wildcats' 4th round pick
Wildcats own the Titans' 4th round pick, Dolphins' 4th + 6th round picks, Chiefs' 5th round pick
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Rounds 3 and 4 are slated to begin at 3-4 PM ET on Saturday, May 19th

Rounds 5-7 are slated to begin at 3-4 PM ET on Sunday, May 20th
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Just posting here, but Shattered has proven his mettle in his first season as a mock drafter, as the standings will show:

Emerald: 3 players, 4 positions
Stan: 2 players, 6 positions
Shattered: 5 players, 6 positions

This was, however, a down year for all of us, as last year Stan had 6 players and 6 positions. AI really threw us off course early and often. Good job Shattered!
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Wow, I dont think my picks could have gone any better

(Also feels good that the guy everyone kept saying I would pick with my first pick I ended up picking with my second)
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LiquidOshawott posted...

Wow, I dont think my picks could have gone any better

Yeah, Ingram was the #2 prospect, and you got him at 16.

Bucs also got the #3 prospect at 17.
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I had an as expected (but solid) R1 and I am excited about the potential R3 I just traded into.
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My adrenaline is still pumping four hours later from how crazy those first few picks went. I never imagined I'd get Sendejo at 4, absolutely incredible. This of course makes my trade for Wilcox seem pointless, but there are worse problems than having two incredibly young safeties with limitless potential.

Good job Browns and Bucs, i love a good steal.
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I'm calling the Pats/Vikings and Bills/Redskins trades official. The spreadsheet I am hoping is fully updated.
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So my trade was to try and land Julio Jones. I figured Foles at 81 is not that far back from one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the draft, and he is only 24 so tons of time to develop. So I wanted another strong reciever to help him out in that so wanted Jones or AJ green, but it didnt happen. After that I wanted Jenkins because a prospect that hight at CB sounded like it was worth it. But Talib was 4th on my list, so I cant feel too bad getting a guy that was top 5 on my board and at a position of need, so I am happy with thattheawesomestevr posted...

Revised trade that Scare wanted me to post:

49ers receive:
Bills' 3rd round pick
Bills' 4th round pick

Bills receive:
Roberto Garza

Confirmint this for topic, but Bills also get my 7th because of AI issues
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9. Cowboys - Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel

Was this the surprise Jerry Jones promised us a few weeks back?

17. Buccaneers - Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater

Emmy must've been pissed with this one.

19. Bills - Washington CB Desmond Trufant

Nice steal there, stevr. I was strongly considering him at 4 if Sendejo, Jenkins and Bridgewater were gone.

12. Raiders

14. Hawks

32. Broncos

Bust bust bust.
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Why would I be pissed about Bridgewater?
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^ Your super successful rival gets a top 5 (prospect) QB at 17 right after Brady retires?
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Ravens release DT Brent Curvey
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He'll never be Mr. 97-rated Brady so it's okay
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Looking over the picks now. I think some of the surprising ones (i.e. none of us would have ever predicted) are:

Lightning make a large reach for an OLB at 3. The position itself isn't baffling as they do need an OLB, it's the huge reach at 3 which is surprising. I'm sure he will be highly rated because it always seems to be when the AI makes massive reaches, the guy is rated highly rated off the bat.

Cowboys taking QB Manziel at 9. They have a 99 rated QB on a 5 year contract who is at least 4 years from retirement and had a ton of holes to address. It's not even like Manziel had slid to them and they overlooked Bridgewater to take him.

Raiders reaching for MLB Lavonte David at 12. I have no idea how old their 2x MLBs are but I can only assume they play 3-4.

Hawks take DT Marcell Dareus. Maybe their DT's are old? He also wasn't the highest rated DT on the board.

Bucs take QB Bridgewater at 17. Not baffling. Makes super sense. I just doubt anyone thought he would drop all this way. Especially as another QB was taken before him

Bills take QB Derek Carr. Again not surprising. We were all just caught off guard by the Bills trading away their starting QB and I assume we were all too lazy to revisit our picks.

Oh and some of those slides are amazing.

Bridgewater at 17? A CB sliding all the way to 19? Ingram at 16 isn't super surprising as we all know HB's are prone to slip but still a steal

And holy shit the Dolphins had 6 2nd rounders lol?

Wiz did not have Bridgewater on his draft board. Manziel was third, but the first two were obviously taken in the first eight picks.

Raiders are one of three teams to have played under a 3-4 since the beginning. Foote is 34.

DT Shaun Rogers of the Hawks is 35.

stevr has been wanting to draft Derek Carr since last season. Maybe that discussion was just between the two of us, but I knew he was going to use one of his firsts on Carr. I assumed the other was going to be a DE or FS Dix.
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I originally had seven 2nds but traded my final one to Stan. You also have to remember that I sold low on just about every trade this off-season. Those six 2nd rounders were originally two firsts, a bunch of 3rds and 4ths, MLB Brian Cushing, DT Billy Walker, RE Barry Turner, and WR Davone Bess.
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Yeah I assumed Wiz didn't have him on his draft board probably because he didn't think he would make it that far. I just don't understand why he would have any QB's on his draft board though. Has Vince Young typically seen a lot of injuries?

Ranlom posted...

My adrenaline is still pumping four hours later from how crazy those first few picks went. I never imagined I'd get Sendejo at 4, absolutely incredible. This of course makes my trade for Wilcox seem pointless, but there are worse problems than having two incredibly young safeties with limitless potential.

Good job Browns and Bucs, i love a good steal.

If I were you, depending on what Sendejo is rated at I'd see what I could flip Wilcox to the Redskins for. That's what I was thinking of doing before I traded you.