Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 439: F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S-YES

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Have we ever had a Father and Son (shoot, not kayfabe) both be World Champion?

Fritz (AWA) and Kerry (NWA) Von Erich

Dusty (NWA) and Cody (ROH) Rhodes
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NM....

Forgot Dusty and Cody.

Maybe someday we will have Kurt and Jason join that list
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Jakyl25 posted...

Fritz (AWA) and Kerry (NWA) Von Erich

Dusty (NWA) and Cody (ROH) Rhodes

I never knew Fritz won it.

I thought Kerry was the only Von Erich to ever win the big one.

Thanks.

Jakyl25 posted...

Maybe someday we will have Kurt and Jason join that list

Shoot...

Are there any others in kayfabe besides Andre and Paul?

Also, I'm
Convinced if Hunter ever has a son the women's revolution dies that day.

That this has all been an incredibly long con to get the women respected and call the Title a world title so his daughters can be World Champions

You could say Vince and Steph if you wanted to count Womens titles
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Cant think of many kayfabe fathers and sons.

Too bad Paul Bearer never won it
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Jakyl25 posted...

You could say Vince and Steph if you wanted to count Womens titles

The old one I really don't think was (although the thought of HHH banging two world Champions is fun....) at all.

Like this one has been treated as something more has gotten the major entrances and pyro at Mania, (including outside arena pyro) has Main evented both itself and a Rumble, has been called (and still is in Shop.com) a world title on the website, etc.

Jakyl25 posted...

Cant think of many kayfabe fathers and sons.

Too bad Paul Bearer never won it

So, their story is clearly finally over now.

What was the final retconned explanation for Paul and how he is related to them, and the Fire?

another 8-10 years and you can add The Rock and Simone Johnson to that list
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Takers Mom and Dad ran a funeral parlor

Paul was an apprentice there and one day had an affair with Takers Mom, which produced Kane. Only the two of them knew that though.

Taker at some point was possessed by evil and burned the place down, killing his mother, father, and presumably Kane

But unbeknownst to him, Kane survived, and was raised in a cellar by Paul, who fed him lies about how ugly and burned he was to psychologically scar him and groom him to destroy his brother.

Meanwhile Paul managed Taker in the WWF even though he secretly despised him because ???

I dont know that part.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Takers Mom and Dad ran a funeral parlor

Paul was an apprentice there and one day had an affair with Takers Mom, which produced Kane. Only the two of them knew that though.

Taker at some point was possessed by evil and burned the place down, killing his mother, father, and presumably Kane

But unbeknownst to him, Kane survived, and was raised in a cellar by Paul, who fed him lies about how ugly and burned he was to psychologically scar him and groom him to destroy his brother.

Meanwhile Paul managed Taker in the WWF even though he secretly despised him because ???

I dont know that part.

Fair enough. I was kinda hoping they added something else, cause my obvious question is how is Taker a Zombie and Kane a Demon then?

I dont know how Taker is a zombie

Kane presumably made a deal with the devil to survive the fire
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Going out on a limb here

The Ministry era showed that Taker was very knowledgeable of satanic ritual

Its plausible that he was into it as a teenager as a way of coping with being around so much death by way of his parents business. Various sacrifices may have been made to grant him his zombie cowboy powers. Sacrifices such as killing his family maybe.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I dont know how Taker is a zombie

Kane presumably made a deal with the devil to survive the fire

Wasn't the scarring only psychological though? So he never felt the flames of the fire, why would he make a deal with the devil?

(I hope to God someone someday writes a book about the entire story of Kane and Taker...)

Big Evil
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Also recall that the urn is the source from which Undertaker draws his power, or to be more precise, the contents of the urn.

Given that the urn was stolen numerous times, the contents cant be anything hyper-specific, or else he wouldnt have any power left.

There must be some repeatable ritual that allows him to create and recreate his power source.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Going out on a limb here

The Ministry era showed that Taker was very knowledgeable of satanic ritual

Its plausible that he was into it as a teenager as a way of coping with being around so much death by way of his parents business. Various sacrifices may have been made to grant him his zombie cowboy powers. Sacrifices such as killing his family maybe.

Damn. I like that. It is hard to ever be a face though after kayfabe killing your family.

On accident sure, but burning alive in a Satanic sacrifice seems ultimate heel move.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

I dont know how Taker is a zombie

Kane presumably made a deal with the devil to survive the fire

Wasn't the scarring only psychological though? So he never felt the flames of the fire, why would he make a deal with the devil?

(I hope to God someone someday writes a book about the entire story of Kane and Taker...)

In this theory, he felt the flames and was burned to death, but the deal with the devil granted him life free from the burns. But he never got a chance to accept that he was no longer burned, thanks to Pauls brainwashing.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also recall that the urn is the source from which Undertaker draws his power, or to be more precise, the contents of the urn.

Given that the urn was stolen numerous times, the contents cant be anything hyper-specific, or else he wouldnt have any power left.

There must be some repeatable ritual that allows him to create and recreate his power source.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I thought it was the opposite. The urn is the thing that could destroy his power, so Paul used it to control him through fear, and it's why when Kane shot the light of the urn at him Taker instantly went weak.

Also that book already exists

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Into-Darkness-Unauthorized-History/dp/1476738890
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also that book already exists

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Into-Darkness-Unauthorized-History/dp/1476738890

And then, in volume 2, he becomes the libertarian mayor of a city in Tennessee
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Jakyl25 posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

I dont know how Taker is a zombie

Kane presumably made a deal with the devil to survive the fire

Wasn't the scarring only psychological though? So he never felt the flames of the fire, why would he make a deal with the devil?

(I hope to God someone someday writes a book about the entire story of Kane and Taker...)

In this theory, he felt the flames and was burned to death, but the deal with the devil granted him life free from the burns. But he never got a chance to accept that he was no longer burned, thanks to Pauls brainwashing.

This also explains why the Inferno match fucked him up so bad. He may not remember the flames thanks to selling his soul and brain washing, but subconsciously when he was set ablaze again all the trigger points went off in his head of being a frightened child literally being burned alive.

All the murkiness here just proves that Vince McMahon is no Mike Quackenbush
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also that book already exists

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Into-Darkness-Unauthorized-History/dp/1476738890

Fucking winner!!!

dude if i were still in college i would totally be voting for kane
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UInstinctGogeta posted...

Damn. I like that. It is hard to ever be a face though after kayfabe killing your family.

Think of all the shit Big Bossman did and he still got into the HoF
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Jakyl25 posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Damn. I like that. It is hard to ever be a face though after kayfabe killing your family.

Think of all the shit Big Bossman did and he still got into the HoF

That's mixing kayfabe and shoot in a meta way I ain't even willing to go in bro. Lol

Jakyl25 posted...

All the murkiness here just proves that Vince McMahon is no Mike Quackenbush

In case anyone was confused.
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https://twitter.com/HEEL_TEM/status/985723782089330688?s=19
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Jakyl25 posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Damn. I like that. It is hard to ever be a face though after kayfabe killing your family.

Think of all the shit Big Bossman did and he still got into the HoF

"Well, on the one hand, he brutally murdered his family in a satanic ritual for the purposes of increasing his own evil power..... but on the other hand, his entrance looks pretty badass...."
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WWE reported the breakup. That smells like a work to me. Drama for a Bella reality show?
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UInstinctGogeta posted...

It would make sense...

But I'm not one to just go off something like that without something to back it up. Not fair to John.

The belief has been (at least on main roster,) it's Vince and Doc.

But i can't lie, now that Paradise is lost if someone who works there comes out and leaks that Cena was with Alexa as well... I mean, I'd certainly believe it.

Funny how it's not fair to accuse John without evidence, but there's no problem at all when it's Alexa!
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RaidenZeroX posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

It would make sense...

But I'm not one to just go off something like that without something to back it up. Not fair to John.

The belief has been (at least on main roster,) it's Vince and Doc.

But i can't lie, now that Paradise is lost if someone who works there comes out and leaks that Cena was with Alexa as well... I mean, I'd certainly believe it.

Funny how it's not fair to accuse John without evidence, but there's no problem at all when it's Alexa!

Next time 4 people come out and accuse John of cheating like there were 4 that came out and accused the low card NXT jobber of being a whore..... we'll talk.

Didn't Cena cheat on his ex-wife with Mickie James and others?
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Didn't Cena cheat on his ex-wife with Mickie James and others?

I didn't know about others. I did know Mickie James though. I thought it was just her.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Next time 4 people come out and accuse John of cheating like there were 4 that came out and accused the low card NXT jobber of being a whore..... we'll talk.

I just did a google search for it, and all I can find is that this whole thing stems from one anonymous comment someone made to thedirt or something like that claiming Alexa was a rat. That's all. If it's true, that person should be comfortable enough to attach their name to the report. You're trying to slander somebody just because of one person creating a report that nobody can verify because it's just "anonymous." Hell, for all we know, you could have sent that in since you hate her so much. I have just as much proof that you're the person who sent in that report that you do saying it's all true and "confirmed."

Alexa was pushed to the point that she's at because she's one of the few women who can actually progress a storyline on the mic. She's not the greatest in the ring by any means, but there's a lot more to advancing a feud than in ring work.

I'd tell you to start using common sense and not bias, but you're clearly not capable of that.
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You're doing an amazing amount of White Knighting here for someone with No discernible talent whatsoever.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

You're doing an amazing amount of White Knighting here for someone with No discernible talent whatsoever.

I deal in facts. The report was in 2015, and nothing else has been said about it since. Seems very likely that it's all false.

Thanks for admitting that all of these rumors you're trying to spread come from a point of bias and not actual fact though, since your response was attacking me instead of finding something to back up your ridiculous claims. I'm pretty sure everybody here already realized that since you're widely considered a joke in these topics, but I'll take what I can get.

If you read my posts, you'll find that I never once said Alexa was a star in the ring. Her true talent is on the mic. Most of the women who are good in ring (ie Bayley, Sasha) can't cut a believeable or compelling promo, so they can't advance a story in that way. Alexa can. Being able to cut a good promo is just as important than what you do in the ring. If they want to continue advancing the women's division, they need people who can sell a story like they do with the mens division. Nobody in that group can talk as well as Alexa.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

You're doing an amazing amount of White Knighting here for someone with No discernible talent whatsoever.

I deal in facts. The report was in 2015, and nothing else has been said about it since. Seems very likely that it's all false.

Thanks for admitting that all of these rumors you're trying to spread come from a point of bias and not actual fact though, since your response was attacking me instead of finding something to back up your ridiculous claims. I'm pretty sure everybody here already realized that since you're widely considered a joke in these topics, but I'll take what I can get.

If you read my posts, you'll find that I never once said Alexa was a star in the ring. Her true talent is on the mic. Most of the women who are good in ring (ie Bayley, Sasha) can't cut a believeable or compelling promo, so they can't advance a story in that way. Alexa can. Being able to cut a good promo is just as important than what you do in the ring. If they want to continue advancing the women's division, they need people who can sell a story like they do with the mens division. Nobody in that group can talk as well as Alexa.

No.

Sasha is a better talker than the whore. As is Becky. Yes she's better than Bayley, but you might be a better promo than Bayley, Bayley was over (till the whore buried her 86 feet underground) because she was real and infectious, not good at the actual promo. Now the fucking CONFIRMED backstage rat, while I'm sure her gimmick of "high school bitchy slut" is a real stretch for her, it's also something that literally anyone can do. And it means nothing anyway. It's a horrible fucking gimmick.

You are such a white knight for this CONFIRMED whore howver that you bring up this talentless eating disorder bint when she's not even being spoken of to defend her.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Now the fucking CONFIRMED backstage rat

Confirmed by absolutely no one.
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UInstinctGogeta posted...

No.

Sasha is a better talker than the whore. As is Becky. Yes she's better than Bayley, but you might be a better promo than Bayley, Bayley was over (till the whore buried her 86 feet underground) because she was real and infectious, not good at the actual promo. Now the fucking CONFIRMED backstage rat, while I'm sure her gimmick of "high school bitchy slut" is a real stretch for her, it's also something that literally anyone can do. And it means nothing anyway. It's a horrible fucking gimmick.

You are such a white knight for this CONFIRMED whore howver that you bring up this talentless eating disorder bint when she's not even being spoken of to defend her.

This might be the most ignorant thing I've ever seen posted on gamefaqs, on so many levels. Not even worth it to respond to someone who is this dense. Should have learned that earlier, so I guess I'm not much better!
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RaidenZeroX posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

No.

Sasha is a better talker than the whore. As is Becky. Yes she's better than Bayley, but you might be a better promo than Bayley, Bayley was over (till the whore buried her 86 feet underground) because she was real and infectious, not good at the actual promo. Now the fucking CONFIRMED backstage rat, while I'm sure her gimmick of "high school bitchy slut" is a real stretch for her, it's also something that literally anyone can do. And it means nothing anyway. It's a horrible fucking gimmick.

You are such a white knight for this CONFIRMED whore howver that you bring up this talentless eating disorder bint when she's not even being spoken of to defend her.

This might be the most ignorant thing I've ever seen posted on gamefaqs, on so many levels. Not even worth it to respond to someone who is this dense. Should have learned that earlier, so I guess I'm not much better!

Do you remotely deny that she wasn't part of any current conversation and you brought her up to white knight her about Cena breaking off an engagement and Taker kayfabe family highjinks? Cause those were the 2 conversations when you brought up the bint.

Raiden, let it go, man. This isn't a hill worth dying on.
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NBIceman posted...

Raiden, let it go, man. This isn't a hill worth dying on.

Yeah, I'm not going to respond to him again, at least seriously. Debating something with someone that stupid is only going to bring me down to that level of ignorance. Not worth it.
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I knew it wasn't worth discussing when he tried to convince me Sasha Banks is a decent talker.
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Jakyl25 posted...

All the murkiness here just proves that Vince McMahon is no Mike Quackenbush

Understatement.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I knew it wasn't worth discussing when he tried to convince me Sasha Banks is a decent talker.

That was one of the ignorant things I was referring to! Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that.

Speaking of Sasha, we ordered a Sasha shirt and glasses for my oldest. She doesn't really understand wrestling at this point, just that she really likes Sasha. She refers to watching wrestling as "watching Sasha" and if Sasha isn't on the screen it's boring.
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