Poll of the Day > The FEMALE Starbucks Manager who called 911 on 2 Black Men has been FIRED!!!

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The Female Starbucks Employee who called 911 on 2 black men for not buying anything and sitting in their store has been FIRED as the company said that she no longer works for the company!!

She is not being named but a representative said that she left the coffee chain earlier this week after she dramatically called 911 and reported the men to police for standing around

The incident sparked racial profiling outrage at the coffee chain

Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson arrived in Philadelphia this weekend after the video gained traction from activists and said that he hoped to meet the 2 men in the next couple of days to apologize to them face to face adding that Starbucks will now add training for store managers on "unconscious bias" and called it reprehensible.

This has been a major blow to Starbucks' image after it promoted its coffee shops as neighborhood hangouts where anyone is welcome

Do you think Starbucks should be blamed for this? let's see what people think

Arrest -

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Kevin - Boss

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Protest -

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Unless she asked them to buy something or leave first, its totally managers fault.
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Yes. Starbucks is to blame for their hiring and firing policies.... ........ who even else would be?
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mrduckbear posted...

Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson arrived in Philadelphia this weekend after the video gained traction from activists and said that he hoped to meet the 2 men in the next couple of days to apologize to them face to face adding that Starbucks will now add training for store managers on "unconscious bias" and called it reprehensible.

This is the kind of insanity you get when you acknowledge and validate the loudest, most nonsensical complaints simply because you're scared of outrage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28m-nPA_PgM" data-time="
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She's collateral damage it seems. They are just hoping this move will appease the snowflakes. Silly move to be honest as that's just enabling them. They will learn one day.
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IMO she should file for wrongful termination if they didn't give her a pretty good severance package and a letter of rec. Black or not 2 people loitering in your store then leaving is sketchy AF. If you wanna meet up at a public space go to a park or a mall.
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sonic_c_tail posted...

IMO she should file for wrongful termination if they didn't give her a pretty good severance package and a letter of rec. Black or not 2 people loitering in your store then leaving is sketchy AF. If you wanna meet up at a public space go to a park or a mall.

Well, they weren't loitering and then loitering. They were loitering, then arrested. That was the only reason they left. Also, not sketchy. People have meeting at Starbucks all the time.
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LinkPizza posted...

Also, not sketchy. People have meeting at Starbucks all the time.

While people can meet anywhere it's common courtesy to buy something while you do. If I'm in a bar or pub meeting someone for example and I'm early/they are late. I always get a pint in while I wait. Just sitting and waiting without buying anything is silly. If I was that way inclined I'd wait for them outside or something.
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wwinterj25 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Also, not sketchy. People have meeting at Starbucks all the time.

While people can meet anywhere it's common courtesy to buy something while you do. If I'm in a bar or pub meeting someone for example and I'm early/they are late. I always get a pint in while I wait. Just sitting and waiting without buying anything is silly. If I was that way inclined I'd wait for them outside or something.

Some people consider it rude to order before your whole party/group is there. Maybe they did and wanted to wait. People do that sometimes...
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wwinterj25 posted...

She's collateral damage it seems. They are just hoping this move will appease the snowflakes. Silly move to be honest as that's just enabling them. They will learn one day.

Also makes it look like they're admitting to fault and blame, should help the two dudes suing them!
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LinkPizza posted...

Some people consider it rude to order before your whole party/group is there. Maybe they did and wanted to wait. People do that sometimes...

Then wait elsewhere.

samuricex posted...

Also makes it look like they're admitting to fault and blame, should help the two dudes suing them!

Good point. Looks like they dug themselves a bigger hole.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Then wait elsewhere.

Why? It wasn't a problem before. Never has been. And this is probably the only time it really will be an issue...
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LinkPizza posted...

sonic_c_tail posted...

IMO she should file for wrongful termination if they didn't give her a pretty good severance package and a letter of rec. Black or not 2 people loitering in your store then leaving is sketchy AF. If you wanna meet up at a public space go to a park or a mall.

Well, they weren't loitering and then loitering. They were loitering, then arrested. That was the only reason they left. Also, not sketchy. People have meeting at Starbucks all the time.

yeah because people haven't sold drugs like this before right? Plus they were asked to leave right?
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sonic_c_tail posted...

LinkPizza posted...

sonic_c_tail posted...

IMO she should file for wrongful termination if they didn't give her a pretty good severance package and a letter of rec. Black or not 2 people loitering in your store then leaving is sketchy AF. If you wanna meet up at a public space go to a park or a mall.

Well, they weren't loitering and then loitering. They were loitering, then arrested. That was the only reason they left. Also, not sketchy. People have meeting at Starbucks all the time.

yeah because people haven't sold drugs like this before right? Plus they were asked to leave right?

Sure. Maybe some people have. But what about the other whites guy loitering, too. According to witness statements, they weren't the only loiterers...
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LinkPizza posted...

Why? It wasn't a problem before. Never has been. And this is probably the only time it really will be an issue...

I find it hard to believe this is the first time they have asked people to leave who are not buying anything.
Still in answer to your question if you're not buying anything you're not making them money so you should leave.

LinkPizza posted...

they weren't the only loiterers...

They had their reasons. What the reasons are we will never know.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I find it hard to believe this is the first time they have asked people to leave who are not buying anything.
Still in answer to your question if you're not buying anything you're not making them money so you should leave.

Yet. Not yet. They may have bought drinks when everyone was there. If they didn't, then they should leave. But we'll never know...

wwinterj25 posted...

They had their reasons. What the reasons are we will never know.

And I think that's one reason people were complaining. Only they were asked to leave. And not the other loiterers. If they were all asked to leave, I think everyone would be like, whatever. Maybe...

And I shouldn't have said it never happens. But it's never happened to me, or the people I know who have gone to Starbucks. Or the people I come in contact with daily, who also go to Starbucks daily.
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LinkPizza posted...

But we'll never know...

Yep. I'd love to see the full unedited video of this but we never will so folk can assume whatever they like.
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wwinterj25 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But we'll never know...

Yep. I'd love to see the full unedited video of this but we never will so folk can assume whatever they like.

Well, we might see it. Maybe Starbucks has video footage of what happened. And maybe they'll take it to court. Maybe...
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Hell, just a few days ago I was waiting in a (non-Starbucks) coffee shop waiting for some others to arrive. Eventually, the others got there. That simple.

Waiting for the rest of your group is inevitable when you're not all driving together. If the manager of a Starbucks can't accept this is part of managing a Starbucks, she shouldn't be the manager, regardless of whether race had anything to do with it.
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I like the casual racism ITT. Black people coming into a establishment and being arrested for no reason is A-OK by some here.

i heard someone in that starbucks was allowed to use the restroom without buying anything and others said they were waiting for hours and weren't told to leave. don't know if any of that is true, though. the friend of the two black men did show up, though.

i don't know how many black people were inside at the time or how many people were just chilling without buying anything, but the two black men were probably easily noticed because of their skin color.
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Lil69Leo posted...

I like the casual racism ITT. Black people coming into a establishment and being arrested for no reason is A-OK by some here.

They refused to leave when asked, both by the manager and the police. Literally the definition of trespassing.

And ironically, situations like this one do nothing but create more racists.
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They were arrested for WHB. Waiting while black.
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YahooPoster posted...

They were arrested for WHB. Waiting while black.

Gotta change the H to a W...
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Going to bed. Goodnight.
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Lil69Leo posted...

I like the casual racism ITT. Black people coming into a establishment and being arrested for no reason is A-OK by some here.

Like the woman who took the video, she said some of her (white) friends simply couldn't believe that was why the guys were arrested, saying there had to be more to it than that.

Nope. White privilege is a thing, like it or not. It's the difference between Philando Castile being shot after telling a cop he had a concealed gun (which you are usually legally obligated to do) vs. Phillip Seidle (a cop) chasing his wife down until she wrecked her car, blocking her in, murdering her in front of their 7 year old daughter, then being taken peacefully into custody and EMBRACED by some of his coworkers.
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TC/
You dont realize how the last two answers can both be right. The manager was wrong and the reason he was wrong was because the thing that made this discrimination was that they did not use their right To call 911 when white people did the same thing.
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I heard it was a guy...
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I don't think Starbucks should have made this molehill into the mountain it was. They advertise themselves as a community hub, so sometimes people will be waiting there to meet others and sometimes those people will have to go to the bathroom. Just give them the key.

That said, I have seen a lot of people blame the cops. The cops are 100% in the right. After they refused to leave it was tresspassing. The cops had to follow up.
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Rasmoh posted...

And ironically, situations like this one do nothing but create more racists.

Whatever gets you hard, ok?
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There were a number of people who were not asked to leave despite not purchasing anything and being allowed to use the bathroom. I find it hard to believe that race wasn't involved.

https://www.41nbc.com/2018/04/15/protests-follow-outrage-after-two-black-men-arrested-at-philly-starbucks/

Saahene said that a white man sitting next to her had been at the Starbucks for 30 minutes without making a purchase and a jogger came in and used the bathroom without making a purchase.

Every single patron has backed the men up when interviewed. The police have said that these two men were being compliant

IcecubePAL posted...

There were a number of people who were not asked to leave despite not purchasing anything and being allowed to use the bathroom. I find it hard to believe that race wasn't involved.

https://www.41nbc.com/2018/04/15/protests-follow-outrage-after-two-black-men-arrested-at-philly-starbucks/

Saahene said that a white man sitting next to her had been at the Starbucks for 30 minutes without making a purchase and a jogger came in and used the bathroom without making a purchase.

Every single patron has backed the men up when interviewed. The police have said that these two men were being compliant

Sounds like the manager is at fault then.
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Anytime someone is smiling while being arrested I generally assume that they probably earned than arrest. Also, cops generally won't just arrest you for loitering. They more than likely gave them the opportunity to leave

Rasmoh posted...

They refused to leave when asked, both by the manager and the police. Literally the definition of trespassing.

And ironically, situations like this one do nothing but create more racists.

Like yourself? There were several white people present doing the same as the black guys. They were not asked to leave, presumably because they were white. If not racism, why isn't this registering in your brain as a problem?

OhhhJa posted...

Anytime someone is smiling while being arrested I generally assume that they probably earned than arrest. Also, cops generally won't just arrest you for loitering. They more than likely gave them the opportunity to leave

It's a somewhat standard incredulous reaction I've found (the smiling). And I'm pretty sure the cops did give them a chance to leave, but the guys refused because no one gave them a valid reason.
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Xialoh posted...

It's a somewhat standard incredulous reaction I've found (the smiling). And I'm pretty sure the cops did give them a chance to leave, but the guys refused because no one gave them a valid reason.

The current political climate has generated all kinds of ignorance that blows my fucking mind. Believe it or not, any establishment reserves the right to ask you to leave especially (and this is the big key here) if you haven't purchased anything! They even gave these men the opportunity to purchase something and they refused. On top of this very simple concept, there is quite possibly more to this story than the media presents to you. Hell, the black police chief himself even said the arrests were justified... and that's probably because on top of the simple fact that a great many businesses won't let you just hang out there for long periods of time without buying something, there are probably details he has that huffpost isn't going to present to you because they thrive on controversial clickbait and stupid protests that generate more stories

Lil69Leo posted...

I like the casual racism ITT. Black people coming into a establishment and being arrested for no reason is A-OK by some here.

The not-so-subtle racism of Leo: Where things only are or aren't a problem depending on the races involved. -_-

Rasmoh posted...

They refused to leave when asked, both by the manager and the police. Literally the definition of trespassing.

This, tbh.

Golden Road posted...

Hell, just a few days ago I was waiting in a (non-Starbucks) coffee shop waiting for some others to arrive. Eventually, the others got there. That simple.

Waiting for the rest of your group is inevitable when you're not all driving together. If the manager of a Starbucks can't accept this is part of managing a Starbucks, she shouldn't be the manager, regardless of whether race had anything to do with it.

...things are different in urban areas. When you often have more customers than seating, space is an issue. The fact that your podunk offbrand coffee shop lets people wander in to just sit and let non-customers use the bathroom (which, by the way, less active, non-city Starbucks do as well) isn't particularly relevant.

The fact that you can't accept or understand why things might be different in cities shows you aren't fit to manage anything.

magemaximus posted...

i heard someone in that starbucks was allowed to use the restroom without buying anything and others said they were waiting for hours and weren't told to leave. don't know if any of that is true, though. the friend of the two black men did show up, though.

lol.... just lol....

magemaximus posted...

i don't know how many black people were inside at the time or how many people were just chilling without buying anything, but the two black men were probably easily noticed because of their skin color.

It's a city, they're not going to be the only ones there.
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Why are there always random white people at these protests?
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Zeus posted...

The not-so-subtle racism of Leo: Where things only are or aren't a problem depending on the races involved. -_-

That guy has issues. The sad truth about sjws like him though are that he's the actual racist. He's projecting his own prejudices onto others because he can't comprehend that other people are actually able to interact with people of other races without without thinking first of the color of their skin and letting that affect how they treat them

Damn this board is racist.
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Flame_Hazard posted...

Damn this board is racist.

I think the problem most people have with this narrative is that theres no evidence of racism.

What they were asked to leave because they were black?

What there were other white people there who hadnt bought anything and had been sitting there for hours?

But did anyone bother to ask:
Were there other black people whom also hadnt paid for anything and were sitting there?

I know its easy to point out one factor and get to believe its for that reason. But theres a myriad of reasons why the manager could have asked them to leave.
Maybe the store was getting full and she need seats for new customers and they just were the most recent newcomers that hadnt paid for anything. Maybe she just spoke to a rude customer and took it out on them. Maybe one was her ex and didnt want him around so used her authority to oust him.
Why must we jump straight to racism when theres no clear evidence?

dioxxys posted...

I know its easy to point out one factor and get to believe its for that reason. But theres a myriad of reasons why the manager could have asked them to leave.
Maybe the store was getting full and she need seats for new customers and they just were the most recent newcomers that hadnt paid for anything. Maybe she just spoke to a rude customer and took it out on them. Maybe one was her ex and didnt want him around so used her authority to oust him.
Why must we jump straight to racism when theres no clear evidence?

I considered that. And yet I can't help thinking that if there were any such redeeming factors, the manager probably would have pointed it out. One of the white witnesses at the scene would have pointed it out. The only thing that's been said is that she dialed 911 because they wouldn't leave.

If there are other factors at play, I'd be happy to consider them, but nothing suggests there's anything going on other than racial bias.

Also it looks like the 911 call was released, along with whatever the police were saying during the ordeal. I haven't listened yet so let's see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFRP7QwlIH0" data-time="
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edit: Can't figure out anything beyond the initial call. And all she reported was two guys not buying anything and not leaving. Her words. I read that the guys asked why they were being made to leave and weren't given a reason.

I don't know what evidence you want. Mind reading devices, maybe a time machine? She hasn't even spoken up in her own defense, and there's at least half a dozen eye witnesses involved.

I'll consider this evidence clear enough.
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Flame_Hazard posted...

but nothing suggests there's anything going on other than racial bias.

Or ya know... a number of other factors... considering what is still limited public knowledge on what actually happened. This is why i think that people that jump to the racism conclusion are often racist themselves. You believe that is the only logical conclusion because you could see yourself thinking in that way. I'm sure there have been white people thrown out of starbucks for loitering before. We would never hear about that though because racism makes for a way better headline.

I would like to hear a more elaborate statement from the police chief or the 911 call. 911 calls can often be very illuminating but we rarely get to hear those

OhhhJa posted...

I would like to hear a more elaborate statement from the police chief or the 911 call. 911 calls can often be very illuminating but we rarely get to hear those

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFRP7QwlIH0" data-time="
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"go ahead and call the police, we dont care. after being asked to leave lol understandable for being refused the restroom but if they were really waiting for someone they should have said so. Is it a rough neighborhood
or something??

Lil69Leo posted...

I like the casual racism ITT. Black people coming into a establishment and being arrested for no reason is A-OK by some here.

I think I've only ever seen you post claiming "racism".
What a odd gimmick.
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Everyone disappears as soon as the 911 call pops up. Makes sense.

Necromancer reporting for duty.
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Flame_Hazard posted...

Everyone disappears as soon as the 911 call pops up. Makes sense.

Necromancer reporting for duty.

Why do you think that? It doesn't really bolster either side of this argument. It was just "hey these guys are loitering and refusing to buy anything"

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

I like the casual racism ITT. Black people coming into a establishment and being arrested for no reason is A-OK by some here.

Like the woman who took the video, she said some of her (white) friends simply couldn't believe that was why the guys were arrested, saying there had to be more to it than that.

Nope. White privilege is a thing, like it or not. It's the difference between Philando Castile being shot after telling a cop he had a concealed gun (which you are usually legally obligated to do) vs. Phillip Seidle (a cop) chasing his wife down until she wrecked her car, blocking her in, murdering her in front of their 7 year old daughter, then being taken peacefully into custody and EMBRACED by some of his coworkers.

White privilege is not a thing. More whites get killed by the police than blacks percentage wise and a lot of the time the police are justified in assessing a risk of an "unarmed" person. Like as sad as it is a black wallet can look like a gun in a split second call so the firing upon someone pulling out something that even vaguely appears like a gun is justified.

The extreme response from Starbucks, namely putting all of their employees through racial sensitivity training, combined with the continued dissatisfaction of some of the people who were offended by the incident will be used in textbooks for years to come as a powerful anecdote for the old phrase "you can't please everyone". No matter what you do, professional victims and virtue signalers will always be offended.
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