Poll of the Day > Is it wrong to tell religious people I believe in God!?

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OreonX1 posted...

Whoa my intentions wasnt to turn this into a deep theological discussion... oh well. But damn you guys get deep into this stuff...

Are you new to the internet?

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

The lack of an existence of God. They don't want to admit it, but that takes as much faith as any religion.
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BADoglick posted...

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

The lack of an existence of God. They don't want to admit it, but that takes as much faith as any religion.

Lol, what? It doesn't take any conviction to not believe in fairy tales.
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BADoglick posted...

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

The lack of an existence of God. They don't want to admit it, but that takes as much faith as any religion.

No, it doesn't. Not believing is the default state.
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BADoglick posted...

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

The lack of an existence of God. They don't want to admit it, but that takes as much faith as any religion.

Additionally, and the point I was trying to make, many atheists are identical to theists in all regards barring the lack of a belief in a divine being. In other words, they're just as dogmatic, biased, close-minded, and everything that they accuse the theists of being and express all the 'negative' traits of being in a religion (according to them). They are just as, if not more, religious than the person that they're belittling for their faith. Just that their faith is in science and the non-existence of God as opposed to other religions.

In other words, the lab is their church, the scientist their priest, Dawkins their saint, and so-forth.
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So...believing in evidence makes them close-minded? Nice.
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BADoglick posted...

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

The lack of an existence of God. They don't want to admit it, but that takes as much faith as any religion.

Not necessarily. I have no faith in the lack of an existence in God, but no credible evidence has been shown to me. So God doesn't exist. Just like any numerous things I can invent in my head don't exist. An apple that can cure AIDS doesn't exist. A dog that can speak Spanish doesn't exist. And so on.

The thing is we all have no fucking idea and the only actual logical belief to hold is "I have no fucking clue." But as is human nature... not knowing isn't good enough. We must have an easy answer for our existence and the existence of spacetime itself even though all of this is probably far more complicated and outside of our realm of comprehension altogether. But no, let's pretend we have a clue because as humans we can't just not know something

is it wrong to tell religious people i believe in god? the title topic makes no sense
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On the actual topic, I don't think it's ever wrong to lie to a complete stranger who is bugging you in public to get them to leave you alone.You owe them nothing.

I've never gotten directly asked by a stranger if I believe in Jesus or other crap, so I can't say for sure what I would do. I have generally lied by omission and just not said anything when that sort of thing came up. Now and in the future though, I think I'll probably choose to tell the truth and tell them to fuck off if they don't like it.

There was this one time years ago when we did something reasonable and arguably nice to a stranger and she was like "Oh, how nice to meet other good Christians!" At the time I kind of froze up and didn't say anything. I still think about that time and want to say to her "We're not Christian. You can be a good person and not a Christian."

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack shit and never will until maybe after I die.
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BADoglick posted...

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76547371/900241228
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VeeVees posted...

So...believing in evidence makes them close-minded? Nice.

... Firstly, you simply can never prove a negative. That's just how logic works. But, more to the point, it isn't about evidence. Atheists seem to love ignoring this. It's about attitude. You can have all the evidence in the world and be the most close-minded fanatical monster.
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Unbridled9 posted...

... Firstly, you simply can never prove a negative. That's just how logic works. But, more to the point, it isn't about evidence. Atheists seem to love ignoring this. It's about attitude. You can have all the evidence in the world and be the most close-minded fanatical monster.

"You need food and water in order to live". "That's close minded!"
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Unbridled9 posted...

VeeVees posted...

So...believing in evidence makes them close-minded? Nice.

... Firstly, you simply can never prove a negative. That's just how logic works. But, more to the point, it isn't about evidence. Atheists seem to love ignoring this. It's about attitude. You can have all the evidence in the world and be the most close-minded fanatical monster.

What? There's not one single piece of evidence for god in all of history but atheists are close minded for not believing that crap?
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BADoglick posted...

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.

Atheism is a belief but it's not a religion. Religions are organized and require faith. What do atheists have faith in?

The lack of an existence of God. They don't want to admit it, but that takes as much faith as any religion.

as much faith

There's a man screaming in padded cell 7 that he needs to get out and save the world. The religious people rush to set him free, the agnostic people have no say in the matter, and the atheists are either shaking their heads or blockading the door.

Those last guys? Just as foolish as the religious people. Probably even more foolish. Blind faith that the guy was actually crazy.
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Religious people like to call mountains of evidence and replicable experiments "blind" faith.
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VeeVees posted...

Religious people like to call mountains of evidence and replicable experiments "blind" faith.

Okay. Go ahead. Prove it. Not just that Christianity is wrong but that every religion is wrong. Islam, Buddhism, the tribal beliefs of a small group of people living on the North Sentinal Island. And not just every religion that exists now but that has existed or will exist. And not just on Earth but within the entire universe. And not just in the entire universe but every parallel dimension. And not just every parallel dimension but every single higher and lower dimension. Prove that, not only is every religion wrong, not only that a divine being is just kicking back on some rogue planet we'll never discover as a species because it's right at the edge of the universe, but that even a non-divine being that could be interpreted as a deity could not possibly exist in any remote sense.

Not all religious people are creationists who gladly harp on about how the Earth is 6,000 years old or that fossils are planted by the devil. Not all religious people believe that thetons exist in the human body or that the world is on the back of a turtle or basically anything like that. Likewise, atheists aren't some paragon of intelligence because they 'looked at evidence and found no proof of God'. They're just as susceptible to believing in the flat earth, or that 911 was actually orchastrated by the US, Russia, Isreal, Illuminati, Stonemasons, and basically everyone but Osama using six different methods of demolition at once, or that aliens exist as people whom follow a religion.

So PLEASE! Stop acting like you're the mental superior of a religious person simply due to your lack of a belief in God!
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Unbridled9 posted...

Okay. Go ahead. Prove it. Not just that Christianity is wrong but that every religion is wrong. Islam, Buddhism, the tribal beliefs of a small group of people living on the North Sentinal Island. And not just every religion that exists now but that has existed or will exist. And not just on Earth but within the entire universe. And not just in the entire universe but every parallel dimension. And not just every parallel dimension but every single higher and lower dimension. Prove that, not only is every religion wrong, not only that a divine being is just kicking back on some rogue planet we'll never discover as a species because it's right at the edge of the universe, but that even a non-divine being that could be interpreted as a deity could not possibly exist in any remote sense.

99% of them are wrong because they all contradict each other

That's the part that is proven.
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VeeVees posted...

Religious people like to call mountains of evidence and replicable experiments "blind" faith.

Please explain what mountains of evidence and replicable experiments there are to prove there is no God.

I was a pretty militant atheist in my teenage years. I'm much more passive about it now, but don't outright lie. I just say my family has a sordid religious history so I'm not really interested. That's true, and it'll leave them curious as to what I'm talking about.
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Moonjay posted...

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack s*** and never will until maybe after I die.

That is an odd way to phrase the refusal to make a decision based on available evidence. To me that's cowardly.

wah_wah_wah posted...

Moonjay posted...

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack s*** and never will until maybe after I die.

That is an odd way to phrase the refusal to make a decision based on available evidence. To me that's cowardly.

I don't think something so trivial could ever be defined as cowardly

OhhhJa posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Moonjay posted...

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack s*** and never will until maybe after I die.

That is an odd way to phrase the refusal to make a decision based on available evidence. To me that's cowardly.

I don't think something so trivial could ever be defined as cowardly

James Cameron the director has said exactly that.
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Smallville posted...

OhhhJa posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Moonjay posted...

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack s*** and never will until maybe after I die.

That is an odd way to phrase the refusal to make a decision based on available evidence. To me that's cowardly.

I don't think something so trivial could ever be defined as cowardly

James Cameron the director has said exactly that.

Yeah so?

Smallville posted...

OhhhJa posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Moonjay posted...

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack s*** and never will until maybe after I die.

That is an odd way to phrase the refusal to make a decision based on available evidence. To me that's cowardly.

I don't think something so trivial could ever be defined as cowardly

James Cameron the director has said exactly that.

If it is trivial then why can't you reach a decision? Selecting a breakfast cereal is trivial, too. But I don't sit in the aisle bragging about how I can't decide about what cereal to eat.

wah_wah_wah posted...

Smallville posted...

OhhhJa posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Moonjay posted...

Agnostics 4 lyfe. Weak minded people who live in a black and white world think Agnostics need to "make a decision". No. We don't. That's the point. No religion convinces us, atheism doesn't convince us, I don't know jack s*** and never will until maybe after I die.

That is an odd way to phrase the refusal to make a decision based on available evidence. To me that's cowardly.

I don't think something so trivial could ever be defined as cowardly

James Cameron the director has said exactly that.

If it is trivial then why can't you reach a decision? Selecting a breakfast cereal is trivial, too. But I don't sit in the aisle bragging about how I can't decide about what cereal to eat.

Yeah and I don't pretend to know the answer to something when I don't. Lemme break this down. Can you without a doubt say there isn't some kind of higher power? Keep in mind the term god can be pretty abstract and doesn't have to mean "little man in the sky." It could apply to the universe itself. Maybe the universe is in some way a self aware sentient being. Who knows? Sure there's no evidence that there is a god but can you provide a foolproof factual explanation of how the universe sprang into existence from absolute nothingness. Until you can without any doubt explain how that happened then you're really just saying you know something when you actually don't.

I'd like to add that I've read hypotheses about nothingness being inherently unstable and that perhaps the universe sprang into existence from the instability of nothingness but until that can be proven you're just pissing in the wind pretending to know one way or the other

minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

Religious people like to call mountains of evidence and replicable experiments "blind" faith.

Please explain what mountains of evidence and replicable experiments there are to prove there is no God.

Please prove there is a god before asking others to disprove it. There are mountains of evidence to contradict stories in the bible. Not that the bible needs help contradicting itself.
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Unbridled9 posted...

VeeVees posted...

Religious people like to call mountains of evidence and replicable experiments "blind" faith.

Okay. Go ahead. Prove it. Not just that Christianity is wrong but that every religion is wrong. Islam, Buddhism, the tribal beliefs of a small group of people living on the North Sentinal Island. And not just every religion that exists now but that has existed or will exist. And not just on Earth but within the entire universe. And not just in the entire universe but every parallel dimension. And not just every parallel dimension but every single higher and lower dimension. Prove that, not only is every religion wrong, not only that a divine being is just kicking back on some rogue planet we'll never discover as a species because it's right at the edge of the universe, but that even a non-divine being that could be interpreted as a deity could not possibly exist in any remote sense.

Not all religious people are creationists who gladly harp on about how the Earth is 6,000 years old or that fossils are planted by the devil. Not all religious people believe that thetons exist in the human body or that the world is on the back of a turtle or basically anything like that. Likewise, atheists aren't some paragon of intelligence because they 'looked at evidence and found no proof of God'. They're just as susceptible to believing in the flat earth, or that 911 was actually orchastrated by the US, Russia, Isreal, Illuminati, Stonemasons, and basically everyone but Osama using six different methods of demolition at once, or that aliens exist as people whom follow a religion.

So PLEASE! Stop acting like you're the mental superior of a religious person simply due to your lack of a belief in God!

I have beliefs, but they are not creation beliefs. There is no way to "prove" a believe. I can write about how murder is wrong, but I cannot "prove" why it is wrong. But a belief that relies on existence can at least be shown to be true or false through experiment. The question of God doesn't even get past the first step of the scientific method. God cannot be observed.

I do the same thing TC. I tend to avoid religious debates so I just say what they wanna hear so I can go about my day. By 'they', I don't mean all religious people, just the aggressive ones that try to convert you no matter how busy you may appear.

One time, someone kept trying to stop me as I was walking to a table with a tray of food in my hand. I have nothing against anyone's beliefs but at the time, the only thing I believed in was that burger and fries ascending to my mouth.
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Unbridled9 posted...

VeeVees posted...

Religious people like to call mountains of evidence and replicable experiments "blind" faith.

Okay. Go ahead. Prove it. Not just that Christianity is wrong but that every religion is wrong. Islam, Buddhism, the tribal beliefs of a small group of people living on the North Sentinal Island. And not just every religion that exists now but that has existed or will exist. And not just on Earth but within the entire universe. And not just in the entire universe but every parallel dimension. And not just every parallel dimension but every single higher and lower dimension. Prove that, not only is every religion wrong, not only that a divine being is just kicking back on some rogue planet we'll never discover as a species because it's right at the edge of the universe, but that even a non-divine being that could be interpreted as a deity could not possibly exist in any remote sense.

Not all religious people are creationists who gladly harp on about how the Earth is 6,000 years old or that fossils are planted by the devil. Not all religious people believe that thetons exist in the human body or that the world is on the back of a turtle or basically anything like that. Likewise, atheists aren't some paragon of intelligence because they 'looked at evidence and found no proof of God'. They're just as susceptible to believing in the flat earth, or that 911 was actually orchastrated by the US, Russia, Isreal, Illuminati, Stonemasons, and basically everyone but Osama using six different methods of demolition at once, or that aliens exist as people whom follow a religion.

So PLEASE! Stop acting like you're the mental superior of a religious person simply due to your lack of a belief in God!

Religious people really seem to love asking people to disprove something they have never even begin to prove exists in the first place.

The fact that there are so many different religions worshiping different gods is a strong indicator that none of them are real.

Why are you "religious" if you don't even believe the things taught by your holy text?
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You know, at this point I think it's pretty clear that internet atheists are the most unscientific, dogmatic, and close-minded people around. I mean, you can't even seem to figure out how it's impossible to prove a negative and shift the goalposts to it just being the Abrahamic God. What about Vishnu? Or the Xharlaxian deity Ghanadoath of the sixty maws? Or some deity who simply doesn't care about the universe and never impacted it? If even one of those is true than Atheism is categorically false in it's entirety. Course, instead of admitting that it is impossible to prove a negative an Internet Atheist focuses on just how they can disprove the Christian God and act like it somehow is an absolute victory. I forgot how useless it is to even try and speak up about their abundant flaws.
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Unbridled9 posted...

ou know, at this point I think it's pretty clear that internet atheists are the most unscientific, dogmatic, and close-minded people around. I mean, you can't even seem to figure out how it's impossible to prove a negative

Just because you can't prove a negative, doesn't mean suddenly all knowledge is up in the air. God uniquely fails the scientific method because he is said to exist everywhere and yet cannot be observed anywhere. Show me a valid observation of God and then we can test it. Otherwise it's all talk. Being an atheist doesn't mean if the roof bursts open and God points his finger at you, that you're going to still say, "You don't exist!"

LMFAO, how typical. Always asking people to prove a negative because they can't prove a positive themselves. Religious people whining about shifting goalposts must be the most ironic shit ever.
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VeeVees posted...

Please prove there is a god before asking others to disprove it. There are mountains of evidence to contradict stories in the bible. Not that the bible needs help contradicting itself.

I don't see how proving the bible wrong would prove all religions wrong.
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Revelation34 posted...

VeeVees posted...

Please prove there is a god before asking others to disprove it. There are mountains of evidence to contradict stories in the bible. Not that the bible needs help contradicting itself.

I don't see how proving the bible wrong would prove all religions wrong.

It doesn't, but it's not like there's a religion out there that has proven the existence of their deity.
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VeeVees posted...

It doesn't, but it's not like there's a religion out there that has proven the existence of their deity.

None. The bible just stole various myths from ancient religions anyway.
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minervo posted...

Muscles posted...

I believe in a God, just not how Christians portray him

What's your version?

I'm a deist
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