Poll of the Day > Is it wrong to tell religious people I believe in God!?

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I feel kinda bad when a religious person ask me the Do you believe in your savior lord Jesus Christ? Well its been asked different ways. But a guilt feeling comes over me and I always answer them as if I go to church and I believe.
Why do I feel such guilt?
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Religion is built upon guilt, break the cycle
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Lying is wrong and a cop out, just tell em the truth.

because that's religious people's sales tactic
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minervo posted...

Lying is wrong and a cop out, just tell em the truth.

Yeah its a cop out. But damn then they try to change your mind or argue with you.
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OreonX1 posted...

minervo posted...

Lying is wrong and a cop out, just tell em the truth.

Yeah its a cop out. But damn then they try to change your mind or argue with you.

They're just trying to save your soul from eternal hellfire.

oreon dont ask such silly questions
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Why does it matter. it's not like god is going to punish you for lying about it. You might get punished by our crimial justice system, but that's situation must be insane to get that far.
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why would it even matter? seems to me that usually it's when the roles are reversed that it usually is when it becomes a problem
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As long as you're not using it to be an asshole, I don't see why not.

It's just what you say if you're not interested in having a conversation.
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VeeVees posted...

because that's religious people's sales tactic

I remember either making a phone call every time I saw Mormons on the street when walking.
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OreonX1 posted...

I feel kinda bad when a religious person ask me the Do you believe in your savior lord Jesus Christ? Well its been asked different ways. But a guilt feeling comes over me and I always answer them as if I go to church and I believe.
Why do I feel such guilt?

I do the same thing, much better than telling the truth. Then they try to convert you

ImmortalityV posted...

OreonX1 posted...

I feel kinda bad when a religious person ask me the Do you believe in your savior lord Jesus Christ? Well its been asked different ways. But a guilt feeling comes over me and I always answer them as if I go to church and I believe.
Why do I feel such guilt?

I do the same thing, much better than telling the truth. Then they try to convert you

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?
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Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.
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Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

idk, maybe not by that word but you can try to get them to not be religious
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You mean try to get them to see simple logic?
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VeeVees posted...

You mean try to get them to see simple logic?

maybe, you don't know any really smart religious people?
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I know many really smart people who pretends to be religious for various gains. I don't know any really smart people who actually believes any of that crap.
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VeeVees posted...

I know many really smart people who pretends to be religious for various gains. I don't know any really smart people who actually believes any of that crap.

Free food from churches every Sunday?
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No, I lived in Hong Kong back when it was still a British colony. All the best schools were christian private schools. To apply, the family must be christians. So everyone I knew was "religious", except not a single person I knew was religious.

This, of course, continues into adulthood with business networking and shit.
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But do you believe in Zeus?
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Believe what you like.
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I believe in a God, just not how Christians portray him
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Muscles posted...

I believe in a God, just not how Christians portray him

What's your version?

VeeVees posted...

You mean try to get them to see simple logic?

Science can't answer everything. Not yet, at least.
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Golden Road posted...

VeeVees posted...

You mean try to get them to see simple logic?

Science can't answer everything. Not yet, at least.

"I don't know" is a better answer than "god did it."
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Just preach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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VeeVees posted...

Golden Road posted...

VeeVees posted...

You mean try to get them to see simple logic?

Science can't answer everything. Not yet, at least.

"I don't know" is a better answer than "god did it."

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

minervo posted...

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

So is "God did it".
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Revelation34 posted...

minervo posted...

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

So is "God did it".

It's the opposite. For God to do something, there must be a reason.

Yes, if you honestly don't.
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minervo posted...

Revelation34 posted...

minervo posted...

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

So is "God did it".

It's the opposite. For God to do something, there must be a reason.

wuht? must be a reason?
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It is wrong to lie, but telling them otherwise does open up preaching. As far as my grandma knows, I'm a Christian. It would be pointless to tell her anything else now. Neither of us will change.

minervo posted...

It's the opposite. For God to do something, there must be a reason.

That's a lazy answer.
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minervo posted...

Revelation34 posted...

minervo posted...

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

So is "God did it".

It's the opposite. For God to do something, there must be a reason.

Saying "I don't know" isn't lazy. It leaves the door open for more information to come forward and educate; that's called honesty.

Saying "God did it," however? That's lazy and, given there's no proof, claiming that amounts to a lie well before acknowledging ignorance would. When someone goes straight to that for every little thing, they're likely beyond help.
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minervo posted...

VeeVees posted...

Golden Road posted...

VeeVees posted...

You mean try to get them to see simple logic?

Science can't answer everything. Not yet, at least.

"I don't know" is a better answer than "god did it."

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

LMFAO
I don't know means I have to find out. God did it means you are done thinking.
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Revelation34 posted...

minervo posted...

It's the opposite. For God to do something, there must be a reason.

That's a lazy answer.

There is a reason, but God is the father and you need to stay out of grown folk's business.
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TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...

minervo posted...

Revelation34 posted...

minervo posted...

"I don't know" is the lazy version.

So is "God did it".

It's the opposite. For God to do something, there must be a reason.

Saying "I don't know" isn't lazy. It leaves the door open for more information to come forward and educate; that's called honesty.

Saying "God did it," however? That's lazy and, given there's no proof, claiming that amounts to a lie well before acknowledging ignorance would. When someone goes straight to that for every little thing, they're likely beyond help.

I don't know.

Okay. First off... The reason why you're feeling guilt is likely a desire to belong and/or to please the person. You want to be happy and the way to do so when confronted with said people is to claim you are religious. There is nothing weird about that; even if you're lying. You may also be saying so out of a desire to avoid confrontation and feeling guilty about not standing up for your ideals as well, which is also not weird. Still, it's MUCH better to just learn how to tell the person you aren't a religious person and just give a neutral response instead of trying to confront them and what-not.

Secondly, yes, atheism can be a religion. First-off, on its most basic level atheism deals with a belief in which there is no divine being. It is entirely possible to have a religion in which such divinity does not exist. However, more to the point, plenty of atheists I've seen are just as dogmatic, aggressive, fanatical, and so forth in their belief in the lack of a god and in science that they are, for all practical intents and purposes, the same thing as a religious fanatic obsessed with pushing their viewpoint. The only difference is that their god is 'there is no god' and the lab is their church. Please note, I'm not saying that they are right or wrong in their atheism, just that the question of if they are right or wrong has been rendered irrelevant as they have replaced a faith in god with a faith in science.

Thirdly, atheism does not make you smart and faith does not make you dumb. Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you're suddenly immune to stupid things and won't be sending money to nigerian princes, buying homeopathic goods, thinking Nibaroo is about to hit us, or thinking that the U.S. was founded on the ideals of communism. Just because someone has faith doesn't mean that they're somehow incapable of developing the theories of gravity, science, philosophy, and so-forth either.

Finally, no, there is nothing unscientific about believing in god or not. While plenty of scientists are atheists plenty are also people of many faiths. If God is real or not does not change a soil composition sample, the treatment of an enlarged spleen, what happens to water when subjected to extreme pressures, and so-forth. Do aliens exist or not? There is no conclusive proof that they do. For now it's a matter of faith. Doesn't make you stupid for believing in them.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Okay. First off... The reason why you're feeling guilt is likely a desire to belong and/or to please the person. You want to be happy and the way to do so when confronted with said people is to claim you are religious. There is nothing weird about that; even if you're lying. You may also be saying so out of a desire to avoid confrontation and feeling guilty about not standing up for your ideals as well, which is also not weird. Still, it's MUCH better to just learn how to tell the person you aren't a religious person and just give a neutral response instead of trying to confront them and what-not.

Secondly, yes, atheism can be a religion. First-off, on its most basic level atheism deals with a belief in which there is no divine being. It is entirely possible to have a religion in which such divinity does not exist. However, more to the point, plenty of atheists I've seen are just as dogmatic, aggressive, fanatical, and so forth in their belief in the lack of a god and in science that they are, for all practical intents and purposes, the same thing as a religious fanatic obsessed with pushing their viewpoint. The only difference is that their god is 'there is no god' and the lab is their church. Please note, I'm not saying that they are right or wrong in their atheism, just that the question of if they are right or wrong has been rendered irrelevant as they have replaced a faith in god with a faith in science.

Thirdly, atheism does not make you smart and faith does not make you dumb. Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you're suddenly immune to stupid things and won't be sending money to nigerian princes, buying homeopathic goods, thinking Nibaroo is about to hit us, or thinking that the U.S. was founded on the ideals of communism. Just because someone has faith doesn't mean that they're somehow incapable of developing the theories of gravity, science, philosophy, and so-forth either.

Finally, no, there is nothing unscientific about believing in god or not. While plenty of scientists are atheists plenty are also people of many faiths. If God is real or not does not change a soil composition sample, the treatment of an enlarged spleen, what happens to water when subjected to extreme pressures, and so-forth. Do aliens exist or not? There is no conclusive proof that they do. For now it's a matter of faith. Doesn't make you stupid for believing in them.

whoever said atheists were immune to doing stupid things?
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Unbridled9 posted...

Okay. First off... The reason why you're feeling guilt is likely a desire to belong and/or to please the person. You want to be happy and the way to do so when confronted with said people is to claim you are religious. There is nothing weird about that; even if you're lying. You may also be saying so out of a desire to avoid confrontation and feeling guilty about not standing up for your ideals as well, which is also not weird. Still, it's MUCH better to just learn how to tell the person you aren't a religious person and just give a neutral response instead of trying to confront them and what-not.

Secondly, yes, atheism can be a religion. First-off, on its most basic level atheism deals with a belief in which there is no divine being. It is entirely possible to have a religion in which such divinity does not exist. However, more to the point, plenty of atheists I've seen are just as dogmatic, aggressive, fanatical, and so forth in their belief in the lack of a god and in science that they are, for all practical intents and purposes, the same thing as a religious fanatic obsessed with pushing their viewpoint. The only difference is that their god is 'there is no god' and the lab is their church. Please note, I'm not saying that they are right or wrong in their atheism, just that the question of if they are right or wrong has been rendered irrelevant as they have replaced a faith in god with a faith in science.

Thirdly, atheism does not make you smart and faith does not make you dumb. Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you're suddenly immune to stupid things and won't be sending money to nigerian princes, buying homeopathic goods, thinking Nibaroo is about to hit us, or thinking that the U.S. was founded on the ideals of communism. Just because someone has faith doesn't mean that they're somehow incapable of developing the theories of gravity, science, philosophy, and so-forth either.

Finally, no, there is nothing unscientific about believing in god or not. While plenty of scientists are atheists plenty are also people of many faiths. If God is real or not does not change a soil composition sample, the treatment of an enlarged spleen, what happens to water when subjected to extreme pressures, and so-forth. Do aliens exist or not? There is no conclusive proof that they do. For now it's a matter of faith. Doesn't make you stupid for believing in them.

Definition of atheism in English:

atheism
noun
mass noun

Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Definition of religion in English:

religion
noun
mass noun

1The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
ideas about the relationship between science and religion
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whoever said atheists were immune to doing stupid things?

No one says it. A lot of atheists clearly believe that, just because they don't believe in God, they're somehow intellectual giants while everyone else who believes in a deity probably is a few choice words away from becoming a flat-earther. As if intelligence and faith were incompatible.

Definition of atheism in English:

Way to miss the point.
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Y'all seem real salty.
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Unbridled9 posted...

whoever said atheists were immune to doing stupid things?

No one says it. A lot of atheists clearly believe that, just because they don't believe in God, they're somehow intellectual giants while everyone else who believes in a deity probably is a few choice words away from becoming a flat-earther. As if intelligence and faith were incompatible.

Definition of atheism in English:

Way to miss the point.

"Secondly, yes, atheism can be a religion."
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It's only wrong if you believe in a different imaginary guy than they do

Atheists can be fanatical but it does not make it a religion.
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Whoa my intentions wasnt to turn this into a deep theological discussion... oh well. But damn you guys get deep into this stuff...
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Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.
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I just sort of nod and smile. It's not anyone else's business.
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BADoglick posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smallville posted...

you don't find that non religious people do this often? try converting?

Well considering atheism isn't a religion it would be impossible to try converting somebody.

That's not even close to true. Atheism is not an organized religion, but it is a religious belief. An atheist asserts that the lack of a God or gods is indisputable truth. Any time an atheist belittles a theist, they are trying to convert them by making them question their beliefs. Just because atheists tend to be oblivious to this notion, doesn't mean that they are less likely to spread their beliefs.

I'm an Agnostic. In my opinion, only a fool accepts a statement to be true without truly knowing for themselves. This previous sentence could be construed as an attempt at converting a theist or an atheist to agnosticism. Same thing.

Sharing one single common belief does not make it a religion.
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