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Kineth 05/01/18 6:25:54 AM #52:	nicklebro posted... Funny how Communists can never come up with any answers. Economists have the real answers since it's a fucking economic system. Dash_Harber posted... I always hear this complaint about Communism as if it's some sort of mutually exclusive system, but no one ever points out that our current system is actually functionally against Capitalist ideas; there is no competition and relatively little class migration. Realistically, both sides have some good ideas and it's better to take the best from each faction instead of stubbornly clinging to one ideal over the other. The idea that it's "Communism VS Capitalism" is a Cold War ethos that just refuses to die. Well said. Add to that that economies are mixed and have elements from varying systems and also are a lot more complicated than a fucking label and it's flawed to pretend like it's so simple to define an economy as one simple thing. All it is is people just saying "don't help your fellow citizen, fuck em. don't regulate anything because laws hamper the free market! You're a sympathizer to homicide, blah blah blah". These people can't accurately define capitalism, communism or socialism and literally think that collecting tax revenue to invest in your own country is a terrible idea, like you've sinned Biblically. It exhausts me to no end watching some windbag puff up their chest and talk about a field of study they've never actually read a fucking book on, let alone done the numerical analysis that's an essential part of the field. It's just "ermuhgerd my feelings". It's not a fucking competition between only 2 ideologies. It's not a competition and there's much more than 2 economic systems. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900610008] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how Communists can never come up with any answers.</quote> Economists have the real answers since it's a fucking economic system. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>I always hear this complaint about Communism as if it's some sort of mutually exclusive system, but no one ever points out that our current system is actually functionally against Capitalist ideas; there is no competition and relatively little class migration. Realistically, both sides have some good ideas and it's better to take the best from each faction instead of stubbornly clinging to one ideal over the other. The idea that it's "Communism VS Capitalism" is a Cold War ethos that just refuses to die.</quote> Well said. Add to that that economies are mixed and have elements from varying systems and also are a lot more complicated than a fucking label and it's flawed to pretend like it's so simple to define an economy as one simple thing. All it is is people just saying "don't help your fellow citizen, fuck em. don't regulate anything because laws hamper the free market! You're a sympathizer to homicide, blah blah blah". These people can't accurately define capitalism, communism or socialism and literally think that collecting tax revenue to invest in your own country is a terrible idea, like you've sinned Biblically. It exhausts me to no end watching some windbag puff up their chest and talk about a field of study they've never actually read a fucking book on, let alone done the numerical analysis that's an essential part of the field. It's just "ermuhgerd my feelings". It's not a fucking competition between only 2 ideologies. It's not a competition and there's much more than 2 economic systems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/01/18 11:33:35 AM #53:	Kineth posted... Economists have the real answers since it's a fucking economic system. You don't have to be an economist to know how untenable communism is. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:900619240] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> Economists have the real answers since it's a fucking economic system.</quote> You don't have to be an economist to know how untenable communism is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/01/18 8:38:32 PM #54:	nicklebro posted... Kineth posted... Economists have the real answers since it's a fucking economic system. You don't have to be an economist to know how untenable communism is. No, you have to know exactly what it is to not present bogus arguments which only discredit yourselves and not the economic system. If the criticisms were accurate and on topic, that'd be different. But I don't need the tears of people crying about the millions of deaths under totalitarian regimes especially when they, themselves support authoritarian wasteland politics. Also, stop trolling me bro. You're not like this. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900646843] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> Economists have the real answers since it's a fucking economic system.</quote> You don't have to be an economist to know how untenable communism is.</quote> No, you have to know exactly what it is to not present bogus arguments which only discredit yourselves and not the economic system. If the criticisms were accurate and on topic, that'd be different. But I don't need the tears of people crying about the millions of deaths under totalitarian regimes especially when they, themselves support authoritarian wasteland politics. Also, stop trolling me bro. You're not like this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bob742omb 05/01/18 8:49:06 PM #55:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Capitalism pulls 1 billion people out of extreme poverty in under 20 years: https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim from your article China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now. china isn't capitalist, it's a mixed system with high amounts of state ownership (aka socialism with chinese characteristics). to say that capitalism did it is a misrepresentation --- bob the buster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFNtqC0ETqo <cite>bob742omb posted [p:900647487] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism pulls 1 billion people out of extreme poverty in under 20 years: https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim</quote> from your article <quote>China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now.</quote> china isn't capitalist, it's a mixed system with high amounts of state ownership (aka socialism with chinese characteristics). to say that capitalism did it is a misrepresentation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/01/18 9:06:39 PM #56:	madfoot conflating capitalism with development yet again. whoop de doo. development happened before capitalism became the dominant global system, and it will continue to happen afterwards. the Soviet Union went from Feudalism in 1917 to World Superpower in the 30s. anyway, this video pretty handily debunks the "capitalism has pulled 1 billion people out of poverty" myth. it cites a ton of sources in the description too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6VqV1T4uYs" data-time=" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:900648638] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>madfoot conflating capitalism with development yet again. whoop de doo. development happened before capitalism became the dominant global system, and it will continue to happen afterwards. the Soviet Union went from Feudalism in 1917 to World Superpower in the 30s. anyway, this video pretty handily debunks the "capitalism has pulled 1 billion people out of poverty" myth. it cites a ton of sources in the description too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6VqV1T4uYs" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:09:18 PM #57:	bob742omb posted... china isn't capitalist, it's a mixed system with high amounts of state ownership (aka socialism with chinese characteristics). to say that capitalism did it is a misrepresentation When China was socialist, poverty and starvation were far more rampant. They began growing wealthy when they allowed capitalism to come back in. averagejoel posted... development happened before capitalism became the dominant global system, and it will continue to happen afterwards. the Soviet Union went from Feudalism in 1917 to World Superpower in the 30s. Human knowledge continued to expand even during the Dark Ages but that doesn't mean that was anywhere near an ideal solution. Development happens under communism at a snail's pace compared with under capitalism, which is demonstrably the most efficient and sustainable means of innovating in every industry within a single generation. The Soviet Union collapsed into starvation and rampant poverty. America did not. About the only development that happens faster under communism is development of bread lines and poverty. And not watching your nonsense video. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900648819] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>bob742omb posted...</cite> <quote>china isn't capitalist, it's a mixed system with high amounts of state ownership (aka socialism with chinese characteristics). to say that capitalism did it is a misrepresentation </quote> When China was socialist, poverty and starvation were far more rampant. They began growing wealthy when they allowed capitalism to come back in. <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>development happened before capitalism became the dominant global system, and it will continue to happen afterwards. the Soviet Union went from Feudalism in 1917 to World Superpower in the 30s. </quote> Human knowledge continued to expand even during the Dark Ages but that doesn't mean that was anywhere near an ideal solution. Development happens under communism at a snail's pace compared with under capitalism, which is demonstrably the most efficient and sustainable means of innovating in every industry within a single generation. The Soviet Union collapsed into starvation and rampant poverty. America did not. About the only development that happens faster under communism is development of bread lines and poverty. And not watching your nonsense video.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:12:07 PM #58:	@Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900649003] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>@Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 05/01/18 9:16:08 PM #59:	"The Soviet Union collapsed into starvation and poverty. America did not." Capitalism circa 1929 called. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:900649213] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>"The Soviet Union collapsed into starvation and poverty. America did not." Capitalism circa 1929 called.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:17:15 PM #60:	> Russian comrades collapse economy and force everyone into poverty > "I-i-it was capitalism all along! We need to try communism again!!!!" --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900649285] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>> Russian comrades collapse economy and force everyone into poverty > "I-i-it was capitalism all along! We need to try communism again!!!!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 05/01/18 9:22:24 PM #63:	FLUFFYGERM posted... @ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? I'm an economist. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900649593] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> I'm an economist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 05/01/18 9:22:33 PM #64:	China's Great Leap Forward was real communism and 55+ million people died. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:900649605] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>China's Great Leap Forward was real communism and 55+ million people died.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/01/18 9:23:51 PM #65:	Damn_Underscore posted... China's Great Leap Forward was real communism and 55+ million people died. give, in your words, the definition of Communism. then specify which traits of the Great Leap Forward fit this definition --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:900649674] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>China's Great Leap Forward was real communism and 55+ million people died.</quote> give, in your words, the definition of Communism. then specify which traits of the Great Leap Forward fit this definition</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 05/01/18 9:27:11 PM #66:	Communism is collectivization of workers - a nation of citizens living in communes. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:900649860] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Communism is collectivization of workers - a nation of citizens living in communes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/01/18 9:28:18 PM #67:	Damn_Underscore posted... Communism is collectivization of workers - a nation of citizens living in communes. incorrect. try again --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:900649924] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Communism is collectivization of workers - a nation of citizens living in communes.</quote> incorrect. try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:28:37 PM #68:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? I'm an economist. By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900649951] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> I'm an economist.</quote> By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:29:29 PM #70:	By the way it's pointless to engage with averagejoel because he's completely dishonest when you give him evidence and he'll always struggle to move the goalposts in order to deflect legitimate criticisms of communism. The dude is a literal communist who openly stated he supports murder of rich people and Antifa violence in capitalist societies. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900649999] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>By the way it's pointless to engage with averagejoel because he's completely dishonest when you give him evidence and he'll always struggle to move the goalposts in order to deflect legitimate criticisms of communism. The dude is a literal communist who openly stated he supports murder of rich people and Antifa violence in capitalist societies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:30:07 PM #71:	26_Sandman_39 posted... can someone explain how some weird grocery store chain from flyover states is proof of countries trying real communism Would it be fair to categorize you as a communist? Seeing how desperate you are to argue that it wasn't "real" communism. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900650027] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>26_Sandman_39 posted...</cite> <quote>can someone explain how some weird grocery store chain from flyover states is proof of countries trying real communism</quote> Would it be fair to categorize you as a communist? Seeing how desperate you are to argue that it wasn't "real" communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bob_The_Phantom 05/01/18 9:30:55 PM #72:	Shame we've never really had a good capitalism system either. <cite>Bob_The_Phantom posted [p:900650062] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Shame we've never really had a good capitalism system either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 05/01/18 9:33:52 PM #74:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? I'm an economist. By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm? By education and profession. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900650241] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> I'm an economist.</quote> By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm?</quote> By education and profession.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:35:17 PM #75:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? I'm an economist. By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm? By education and profession. And you think communism is tenable? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900650318] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> I'm an economist.</quote> By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm?</quote> By education and profession.</quote> And you think communism is tenable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/01/18 9:40:39 PM #76:	I made my argument earlier in the topic. No economic system is a pure system. Get over your false notions of cap v. com. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900650590] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>I made my argument earlier in the topic. No economic system is a pure system. Get over your false notions of cap v. com.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 9:42:49 PM #77:	Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect. If you have evidence that contradicts any of the claims I made, provide it. Otherwise it's pointless to just say vague nebulous things like "no economic system is a pure system" as if that addresses any of the hard claims people make about capitalism and communism on CE. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900650710] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect. If you have evidence that contradicts any of the claims I made, provide it. Otherwise it's pointless to just say vague nebulous things like "no economic system is a pure system" as if that addresses any of the hard claims people make about capitalism and communism on CE.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 05/01/18 9:43:18 PM #78:	The bourgeoisie --- A thousand eyes, and one. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:900650737] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>The bourgeoisie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/01/18 9:55:33 PM #79:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect. I don't care. You asked me what I thought. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900651392] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect.</quote> I don't care. You asked me what I thought.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 05/01/18 9:55:38 PM #80:	It's funny how all the people that died due to authoritarian regimes who called themselves communist are the fault of communism, but all the people who have died due to capitalist societies are in no way the fault of capitalism. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:900651400] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>It's funny how all the people that died due to authoritarian regimes who called themselves communist are the fault of communism, but all the people who have died due to capitalist societies are in no way the fault of capitalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/01/18 9:58:23 PM #81:	Kineth posted... I made my argument earlier in the topic. No economic system is a pure system. Get over your false notions of cap v. com. an inherent part of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. an inherent part of communism is public ownership of the means of production. they aren't compatible. the presence of social services doesn't mean a country is a mix between capitalism and communism. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:900651555] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>I made my argument earlier in the topic. No economic system is a pure system. Get over your false notions of cap v. com.</quote> an inherent part of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. an inherent part of communism is public ownership of the means of production. they aren't compatible. the presence of social services doesn't mean a country is a mix between capitalism and communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 10:05:22 PM #82:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect. I don't care. You asked me what I thought. Well then don't tell me to get over my false notions if you won't demonstrate that they're false >_> --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900651891] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect.</quote> I don't care. You asked me what I thought.</quote> Well then don't tell me to get over my false notions if you won't demonstrate that they're false >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/01/18 10:05:48 PM #83:	jumi posted... It's funny how all the people that died due to authoritarian regimes who called themselves communist are the fault of communism, but all the people who have died due to capitalist societies are in no way the fault of capitalism. Unbridled greed can in fact kill. That's why we need regulations. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900651917] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny how all the people that died due to authoritarian regimes who called themselves communist are the fault of communism, but all the people who have died due to capitalist societies are in no way the fault of capitalism.</quote> Unbridled greed can in fact kill. That's why we need regulations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/01/18 10:14:05 PM #84:	Today's communists are tomorrow's guy waiting in line for a spot at the homeless shelter --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:900652322] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Today's communists are tomorrow's guy waiting in line for a spot at the homeless shelter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/01/18 10:16:49 PM #85:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect. I don't care. You asked me what I thought. Well then don't tell me to get over my false notions if you won't demonstrate that they're false >_> You not reading my earlier posts isn't my fault. I'm not your parents, I'm not your fucking teacher. Do your own fucking research. But don't sit here blowing smoke up my ass like I gotta acknowledge it. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900652469] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing I said in this topic was factually incorrect.</quote> I don't care. You asked me what I thought.</quote> Well then don't tell me to get over my false notions if you won't demonstrate that they're false >_></quote> You not reading my earlier posts isn't my fault. I'm not your parents, I'm not your fucking teacher. Do your own fucking research. But don't sit here blowing smoke up my ass like I gotta acknowledge it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bob_The_Phantom 05/02/18 10:47:09 AM #86:	FLUFFYGERM posted... That's why we need regulations. But you've always shown that you're against regulations, even good ones. <cite>Bob_The_Phantom posted [p:900674416] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>That's why we need regulations. </quote> But you've always shown that you're against regulations, even good ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/02/18 10:49:05 AM #87:	26_Sandman_39 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... It, uh, has. https://www.hy-vee.com/ wat We've already gone over this. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900674509] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>26_Sandman_39 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>It, uh, has. https://www.hy-vee.com/</quote> wat</quote> We've already gone over this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/02/18 11:12:48 AM #88:	ROBANN_88 posted... Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:900675561] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders</quote> Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/02/18 11:13:30 AM #89:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? I'm an economist. By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm? By education and profession. I thought you were Libertarian? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900675593] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> I'm an economist.</quote> By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm?</quote> By education and profession.</quote> I thought you were Libertarian?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/02/18 11:18:14 AM #90:	Tyranthraxus posted... ROBANN_88 posted... Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends. The mistake here, is that starvation and genocides happen in the middle of communism, not the end <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900675802] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders</quote> Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends.</quote> The mistake here, is that starvation and genocides happen in the middle of communism, not the end</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 05/02/18 1:02:22 PM #91:	Questionmarktarius posted... Tyranthraxus posted... ROBANN_88 posted... Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends. The mistake here, is that starvation and genocides happen in the middle of communism, not the end this exactly. for example Chinas Great Leap Forward wasn't them going "whoops, our economy crashed, the state fell apart, through no fault of our own and now we're dying" that was deliberately set in motion in the belief that it would improve Chine, through communistic ideals, and it was a massive failure, with i don't know how many millions dead. --- http://i.imgur.com/cUNC8DI.jpg <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:900680573] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders</quote> Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends.</quote> The mistake here, is that starvation and genocides happen in the middle of communism, not the end</quote> this exactly. for example Chinas Great Leap Forward wasn't them going "whoops, our economy crashed, the state fell apart, through no fault of our own and now we're dying" that was deliberately set in motion in the belief that it would improve Chine, through communistic ideals, and it was a massive failure, with i don't know how many millions dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 05/02/18 2:04:07 PM #92:	ROBANN_88 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Tyranthraxus posted... ROBANN_88 posted... Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends. The mistake here, is that starvation and genocides happen in the middle of communism, not the end this exactly. for example Chinas Great Leap Forward wasn't them going "whoops, our economy crashed, the state fell apart, through no fault of our own and now we're dying" that was deliberately set in motion in the belief that it would improve Chine, through communistic ideals, and it was a massive failure, with i don't know how many millions dead. I didn't realize thinking sparrows are pests or not understanding how smelting works were key parts of being a good communist. Must not have gotten that missive from the International... <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:900683618] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>Communism has been tried several times. it usually ends with starvation, genocides, secret police and political murders</quote> Any time any government ends it generally ends with starvation and genocides. Like, that's why it ends.</quote> The mistake here, is that starvation and genocides happen in the middle of communism, not the end</quote> this exactly. for example Chinas Great Leap Forward wasn't them going "whoops, our economy crashed, the state fell apart, through no fault of our own and now we're dying" that was deliberately set in motion in the belief that it would improve Chine, through communistic ideals, and it was a massive failure, with i don't know how many millions dead.</quote> I didn't realize thinking sparrows are pests or not understanding how smelting works were key parts of being a good communist. Must not have gotten that missive from the International...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 05/04/18 7:11:55 AM #94:	darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist? I'm an economist. By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm? By education and profession. I thought you were Libertarian? I thought you were a vile racist who blames black people for his wife leaving him and lives a bitter life trolling on the internet. It literally makes me feel icky that you remember shit about me, scum. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900779275] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@ Kineth lmao are you a Marxist?</quote> I'm an economist.</quote> By profession or just by opinion when you don't want to outright say whether or not you're a Marxist? Hmmm?</quote> By education and profession.</quote> I thought you were Libertarian?</quote> I thought you were a vile racist who blames black people for his wife leaving him and lives a bitter life trolling on the internet. It literally makes me feel icky that you remember shit about me, scum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/04/18 7:16:19 AM #95:	Jokeaccountinc posted... averagejoel posted... Kineth posted... I made my argument earlier in the topic. No economic system is a pure system. Get over your false notions of cap v. com. an inherent part of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. an inherent part of communism is public ownership of the means of production. they aren't compatible. the presence of social services doesn't mean a country is a mix between capitalism and communism. If the workers own the means of production while still functioning in a competitive market and so forth, they're not exclusive. The Yugoslavian economy is the best example. "Public" ownership isn't a necessary part of communism. All it requires is that the workers are in control of the means of production. And no, I'm not saying that there's a medium where they both thrive, I'm saying that they're not mutually exclusive. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900779372] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jokeaccountinc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>I made my argument earlier in the topic. No economic system is a pure system. Get over your false notions of cap v. com.</quote> an inherent part of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. an inherent part of communism is public ownership of the means of production. they aren't compatible. the presence of social services doesn't mean a country is a mix between capitalism and communism.</quote></quote> If the workers own the means of production while still functioning in a competitive market and so forth, they're not exclusive. The Yugoslavian economy is the best example. "Public" ownership isn't a necessary part of communism. All it requires is that the workers are in control of the means of production. And no, I'm not saying that there's a medium where they both thrive, I'm saying that they're not mutually exclusive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 05/04/18 8:08:10 AM #96:	Something that often bothers me with these kinds of arguments is the absolute attribution of blame on the economic system. Like, for example, people like to attribute the high quality of life in Scandinavia on their social democratic policies. I'm sure they've helped. But you know what helped even more? In Sweden's case in particular, not being at war for a super long time helped a great deal. Similarly, look at Latin America. A lot of those countries are relatively unstable, have big issues and weak economies. Probably the economic policies they had throughout history contributed. But I bet that what contributed at least as much or even more was American efforts to destabilize things and install military dictatorships. I mean, completely disregarding the merits of one economic system over another, the effects of imperialism has resulted in a very uneven playing field for countries, which makes any sort of objective comparison really difficult (read: impossible) to make. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:900780423] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Something that often bothers me with these kinds of arguments is the absolute attribution of blame on the economic system. Like, for example, people like to attribute the high quality of life in Scandinavia on their social democratic policies. I'm sure they've helped. But you know what helped even more? In Sweden's case in particular, not being at war for a super long time helped a great deal. Similarly, look at Latin America. A lot of those countries are relatively unstable, have big issues and weak economies. Probably the economic policies they had throughout history contributed. But I bet that what contributed at least as much or even more was American efforts to destabilize things and install military dictatorships. I mean, completely disregarding the merits of one economic system over another, the effects of imperialism has resulted in a very uneven playing field for countries, which makes any sort of objective comparison really difficult (read: impossible) to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forlorn_Ass 05/04/18 8:11:40 AM #97:	Capitalism is the most fair system there is. --- Her cheeks wobble around like water balloons on a trampoline. <cite>Forlorn_Ass posted [p:900780509] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Capitalism is the most fair system there is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/05/18 3:24:57 PM #98:	--- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:900847574] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Endofall 05/07/18 6:36:49 AM #99:	chill02 posted... The image is gone <cite>Endofall posted [p:900931697] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote></quote> The image is gone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/08/18 12:02:00 AM #100:	--- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:900977436] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/10/18 6:12:04 AM #102:	Because it always disintegrates before full communism can be reached. And always will. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901100281] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote>Because it always disintegrates before full communism can be reached. And always will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/10/18 10:00:58 AM #103:	nicklebro posted... Because it always disintegrates before full communism can be reached. Nobody seems to even know what that even means, which certainly isn't' helping. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:901106460] in Why hasn't... [t:76551055]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Because it always disintegrates before full communism can be reached.</quote> Nobody seems to even know what that even means, which certainly isn't' helping.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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