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Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 1:30:09 PM #1:	Now, I'm not saying that people should be ostracized for it. I personally have extreme issues with anxiety, although finally in my mid 20's I have them under control, more or less. I used to beat myself up over things like saying "you too" in interactions where that doesn't make sense, but I've gotten over it. Thing is, if I was 15 today and things continued to carry on as they are, I don't know if I'd still do the same. I'm not entirely sure how to word what I mean without coming across as an ass, but I really feel like this is something that needs to be addressed. These things being normalized is a double-edged sword in that, yeah, it might make people more comfortable to talk about it, but it also makes it normal, in that having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" is perfectly acceptable and in fact may be internally rewarded because it gives you a feeling of connection to your peers who do the same. It isn't acceptable, in that sense. Even more than that, with it being a popular meme topic, people might actually try to exacerbate their anxiety instead of attempting to get to a healthier head-space, because society's best measuring stick of a person, especially in more youth-oriented spaces, now is how meme-savvy you are. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven http://i.imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ.png -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901173160] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Now, I'm not saying that people should be ostracized for it. I personally have extreme issues with anxiety, although finally in my mid 20's I have them under control, more or less. I used to beat myself up over things like saying "you too" in interactions where that doesn't make sense, but I've gotten over it. Thing is, if I was 15 today and things continued to carry on as they are, I don't know if I'd still do the same. I'm not entirely sure how to word what I mean without coming across as an ass, but I really feel like this is something that needs to be addressed. These things being normalized is a double-edged sword in that, yeah, it might make people more comfortable to talk about it, but it also makes it normal, in that having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" is perfectly acceptable and in fact may be internally rewarded because it gives you a feeling of connection to your peers who do the same. It isn't acceptable, in that sense. Even more than that, with it being a popular meme topic, people might actually try to exacerbate their anxiety instead of attempting to get to a healthier head-space, because society's best measuring stick of a person, especially in more youth-oriented spaces, now is how meme-savvy you are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 05/11/18 1:30:34 PM #2:	I didn't read the OP --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (2-3): https://i.imgur.com/7cjNtgQ.png <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:901173183] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I didn't read the OP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 05/11/18 1:31:07 PM #3:	He's basically saying the weak die the strong survive, fuck the non-normies --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:901173212] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>He's basically saying the weak die the strong survive, fuck the non-normies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 05/11/18 1:36:01 PM #4:	Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:901173452] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 05/11/18 1:36:20 PM #5:	I get what you're saying and I largely agree. Corrupt_Power posted... Even more than that, with it being a popular meme topic, people might actually try to exacerbate their anxiety This is something about current meme culture that drives me nuts --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:901173473] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I get what you're saying and I largely agree. <cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote>Even more than that, with it being a popular meme topic, people might actually try to exacerbate their anxiety</quote> This is something about current meme culture that drives me nuts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 1:40:32 PM #6:	Normalization is the best term I can come up with to describe what's happening here, but it isn't perfect and I can't think of what else to call it. It's almost like it's the new smoking - you're part of a special in-crowd if you do it, and everyone who's part of that group are weirdly proud of it. It isn't something to be proud of. It is a defect on some level, and needs to be addressed so these people can live more fulfilling lives. Again, I can't stress enough that I harbor zero ill will to people who genuinely have anxiety issues, as like I said, I deal with it myself. But... I want to say normalizing it, but I've already gone over that I dislike that term here... popularizing it, I guess, both undermines the seriousness of it, and undermines the idea that it can be addressed. tremain07 posted... He's basically saying the weak die the strong survive, fuck the non-normies Bro, I've been on Prozac for probably going on 10 years now, Adderall for a little over a year (although my new insurance is a piece of shit and has been fighting me since I was forced to switch, so I've been basically forced off of it for several months now), had a stint in a psych ward when I was in high school, and am plagued by a whole host of aggressively unwanted and intrusive thoughts, every single day. So you can fuck off with that shit. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven http://i.imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ.png -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901173675] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Normalization is the best term I can come up with to describe what's happening here, but it isn't perfect and I can't think of what else to call it. It's almost like it's the new smoking - you're part of a special in-crowd if you do it, and everyone who's part of that group are weirdly proud of it. It isn't something to be proud of. It is a defect on some level, and needs to be addressed so these people can live more fulfilling lives. Again, I can't stress enough that I harbor zero ill will to people who genuinely have anxiety issues, as like I said, I deal with it myself. But... I want to say normalizing it, but I've already gone over that I dislike that term here... popularizing it, I guess, both undermines the seriousness of it, and undermines the idea that it can be addressed. <cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>He's basically saying the weak die the strong survive, fuck the non-normies</quote> Bro, I've been on Prozac for probably going on 10 years now, Adderall for a little over a year (although my new insurance is a piece of shit and has been fighting me since I was forced to switch, so I've been basically forced off of it for several months now), had a stint in a psych ward when I was in high school, and am plagued by a whole host of aggressively unwanted and intrusive thoughts, every single day. So you can fuck off with that shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 05/11/18 1:40:58 PM #7:	Eh I get both arguments for this. I normalize social anxiety because it helps me cope to address it in a humorous way. Makes it seem less powerful. But people should still work on that stuff and not accept that you can't do anything about it. Not a personality quirk, it's a disorder or symptom. --- http://i.imgur.com/ymmqXXN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5iNwXbV.png http://i.imgur.com/HSriaa3.gif http://i.imgur.com/xphiy45.gifv <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:901173692] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Eh I get both arguments for this. I normalize social anxiety because it helps me cope to address it in a humorous way. Makes it seem less powerful. But people should still work on that stuff and not accept that you can't do anything about it. Not a personality quirk, it's a disorder or symptom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountDog 05/11/18 1:44:22 PM #8:	Corrupt_Power posted... Now, I'm not saying that people should be ostracized for it. I personally have extreme issues with anxiety, although finally in my mid 20's I have them under control, more or less. I used to beat myself up over things like saying "you too" in interactions where that doesn't make sense, but I've gotten over it. Thing is, if I was 15 today and things continued to carry on as they are, I don't know if I'd still do the same. I'm not entirely sure how to word what I mean without coming across as an ass, but I really feel like this is something that needs to be addressed. These things being normalized is a double-edged sword in that, yeah, it might make people more comfortable to talk about it, but it also makes it normal, in that having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" is perfectly acceptable and in fact may be internally rewarded because it gives you a feeling of connection to your peers who do the same. It isn't acceptable, in that sense. Even more than that, with it being a popular meme topic, people might actually try to exacerbate their anxiety instead of attempting to get to a healthier head-space, because society's best measuring stick of a person, especially in more youth-oriented spaces, is now is how meme-savvy you are. TC, my whole life I've been thinking the thoughts your having. But everyone has their own movie, play yours, and let other people play theirs. --- http://kinomania.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg http://verleih.polyfilm.at/how_arnold_won_the_west/arnold%20thumbs%20up.jpg <cite>CountDog posted [p:901173851] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote>Now, I'm not saying that people should be ostracized for it. I personally have extreme issues with anxiety, although finally in my mid 20's I have them under control, more or less. I used to beat myself up over things like saying "you too" in interactions where that doesn't make sense, but I've gotten over it. Thing is, if I was 15 today and things continued to carry on as they are, I don't know if I'd still do the same. I'm not entirely sure how to word what I mean without coming across as an ass, but I really feel like this is something that needs to be addressed. These things being normalized is a double-edged sword in that, yeah, it might make people more comfortable to talk about it, but it also makes it normal, in that having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" is perfectly acceptable and in fact may be internally rewarded because it gives you a feeling of connection to your peers who do the same. It isn't acceptable, in that sense. Even more than that, with it being a popular meme topic, people might actually try to exacerbate their anxiety instead of attempting to get to a healthier head-space, because society's best measuring stick of a person, especially in more youth-oriented spaces, is now is how meme-savvy you are.</quote> TC, my whole life I've been thinking the thoughts your having. But everyone has their own movie, play yours, and let other people play theirs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 05/11/18 1:45:11 PM #9:	I mean TC kinda a jerk but I do kinda agree that the way anxiety has been made a meme is kinda harmful. --- How quaint. Join the Dank Chamber today: https://discord.gg/YwmDmtZ <cite>C_Pain posted [p:901173899] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I mean TC kinda a jerk but I do kinda agree that the way anxiety has been made a meme is kinda harmful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 05/11/18 1:46:05 PM #10:	The problem with normalizing disorders instead of categorizing them as something that needs to be combated is that it creates a mindset that they should just be accepted as is, along with any limitations that come with them. You see people here use their anxiety or autism a lot as a crutch or excuse not to put in effort that would benefit their lives. We end up with things like "of course it's easy for you to talk to women, you don't have social anxiety like I do!" Or "how could you expect me to hold down a real job with my autism?" Neither of those stances should ever be tolerated or accepted. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:901173933] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>The problem with normalizing disorders instead of categorizing them as something that needs to be combated is that it creates a mindset that they should just be accepted as is, along with any limitations that come with them. You see people here use their anxiety or autism a lot as a crutch or excuse not to put in effort that would benefit their lives. We end up with things like "of course it's easy for you to talk to women, you don't have social anxiety like I do!" Or "how could you expect me to hold down a real job with my autism?" Neither of those stances should ever be tolerated or accepted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 1:54:08 PM #11:	CountDog posted... TC, my whole life I've been thinking the thoughts your having. But everyone has their own movie, play yours, and let other people play theirs. That's a nice and friendly way to look at it, but it's also terribly naive. Everyone else's "movie" as you put it plays into everyone else's. This idea of personal development not being worth it, or not even being a good idea, is an extremely dangerous poison to society as a whole. Plus, I absolutely refuse to let people actively disregard their personal flaws. I don't care how you personally need to do it, go to counseling, take medication, confront that blacked out memory you've buried your whole life, build a routine and have someone else hold you accountable to it, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in some way working towards being the best you you can be, then you're not worth mine or anyone else's time. When that becomes the norm, across the board, we're locked into a fast-track for a world that looks a hell of a lot like Idiocracy. Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven http://i.imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ.png -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901174327] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountDog posted...</cite> <quote>TC, my whole life I've been thinking the thoughts your having. But everyone has their own movie, play yours, and let other people play theirs.</quote> That's a nice and friendly way to look at it, but it's also terribly naive. Everyone else's "movie" as you put it plays into everyone else's. This idea of personal development not being worth it, or not even being a good idea, is an extremely dangerous poison to society as a whole. Plus, I absolutely refuse to let people actively disregard their personal flaws. I don't care how you personally need to do it, go to counseling, take medication, confront that blacked out memory you've buried your whole life, build a routine and have someone else hold you accountable to it, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in some way working towards being the best you you can be, then you're not worth mine or anyone else's time. When that becomes the norm, across the board, we're locked into a fast-track for a world that looks a hell of a lot like Idiocracy. Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountDog 05/11/18 2:01:30 PM #12:	Corrupt_Power posted... CountDog posted... TC, my whole life I've been thinking the thoughts your having. But everyone has their own movie, play yours, and let other people play theirs. That's a nice and friendly way to look at it, but it's also terribly naive. Everyone else's "movie" as you put it plays into everyone else's. This idea of personal development not being worth it, or not even being a good idea, is an extremely dangerous poison to society as a whole. Plus, I absolutely refuse to let people actively disregard their personal flaws. I don't care how you personally need to do it, go to counseling, take medication, confront that blacked out memory you've buried your whole life, build a routine and have someone else hold you accountable to it, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in some way working towards being the best you you can be, then you're not worth mine or anyone else's time. When that becomes the norm, across the board, we're locked into a fast-track for a world that looks a hell of a lot like Idiocracy. Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble. I've had plenty of discussions my whole life on this topic and many others, it will get you no where, if your not a professional, people don't care,this all stems from ego, if you dish some out, you'll get some back. and ill wrap your ,"naive", comment, put that into a nice envelope. And send that back to you discreetly. --- http://kinomania.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg http://verleih.polyfilm.at/how_arnold_won_the_west/arnold%20thumbs%20up.jpg <cite>CountDog posted [p:901174715] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountDog posted...</cite> <quote>TC, my whole life I've been thinking the thoughts your having. But everyone has their own movie, play yours, and let other people play theirs.</quote> That's a nice and friendly way to look at it, but it's also terribly naive. Everyone else's "movie" as you put it plays into everyone else's. This idea of personal development not being worth it, or not even being a good idea, is an extremely dangerous poison to society as a whole. Plus, I absolutely refuse to let people actively disregard their personal flaws. I don't care how you personally need to do it, go to counseling, take medication, confront that blacked out memory you've buried your whole life, build a routine and have someone else hold you accountable to it, it doesn't matter. If you aren't in some way working towards being the best you you can be, then you're not worth mine or anyone else's time. When that becomes the norm, across the board, we're locked into a fast-track for a world that looks a hell of a lot like Idiocracy. Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble.</quote> I've had plenty of discussions my whole life on this topic and many others, it will get you no where, if your not a professional, people don't care,this all stems from ego, if you dish some out, you'll get some back. and ill wrap your ,"naive", comment, put that into a nice envelope. And send that back to you discreetly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WelcomeToNilbog 05/11/18 2:01:38 PM #13:	I agree with TC wholeheartedly and I have struggled with anxiety and depression my whole life. I feel like the internet and it's endless supply of echo-chambers and meme's have led to people being complacent with their shortcomings. So many people think that their dysfunction cannot be changed because they see some stupid meme reinforce their behavior. It took a lot of time and reflection for me to reach this conclusion, though. It took me losing out on a lot of amazing things in my life. If TC is trying to do anything with this topic, its probably to prevent other people struggling from falling that trap. <cite>WelcomeToNilbog posted [p:901174729] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I agree with TC wholeheartedly and I have struggled with anxiety and depression my whole life. I feel like the internet and it's endless supply of echo-chambers and meme's have led to people being complacent with their shortcomings. So many people think that their dysfunction cannot be changed because they see some stupid meme reinforce their behavior. It took a lot of time and reflection for me to reach this conclusion, though. It took me losing out on a lot of amazing things in my life. If TC is trying to do anything with this topic, its probably to prevent other people struggling from falling that trap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WelcomeToNilbog 05/11/18 2:03:34 PM #14:	Corrupt_Power posted... CountDog posted... If you aren't in some way working towards being the best you you can be, then you're not worth mine or anyone else's time. When that becomes the norm, across the board, we're locked into a fast-track for a world that looks a hell of a lot like Idiocracy. Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble. I think this is the norm, sadly. <cite>WelcomeToNilbog posted [p:901174846] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountDog posted...</cite> If you aren't in some way working towards being the best you you can be, then you're not worth mine or anyone else's time. When that becomes the norm, across the board, we're locked into a fast-track for a world that looks a hell of a lot like Idiocracy. Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble.</quote> I think this is the norm, sadly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 05/11/18 2:05:44 PM #15:	WelcomeToNilbog posted... It took a lot of time and reflection for me to reach this conclusion, though. It took me losing out on a lot of amazing things in my life. If TC is trying to do anything with this topic, its probably to prevent other people struggling from falling that trap. I feel it's something that people need to realise for themselves, unfortunately. It took me to hit rock bottom after destroying multiple friendships and staring at a bottle of pills in a motel room for two days wondering whether I should just down it all, barely eating anything, to figure out that I wanted to live and this wasn't the sort of life I wanted. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:901174959] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>WelcomeToNilbog posted...</cite> <quote>It took a lot of time and reflection for me to reach this conclusion, though. It took me losing out on a lot of amazing things in my life. If TC is trying to do anything with this topic, its probably to prevent other people struggling from falling that trap.</quote> I feel it's something that people need to realise for themselves, unfortunately. It took me to hit rock bottom after destroying multiple friendships and staring at a bottle of pills in a motel room for two days wondering whether I should just down it all, barely eating anything, to figure out that I wanted to live and this wasn't the sort of life I wanted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 05/11/18 2:07:42 PM #16:	Corrupt_Power posted... Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble. I prefer being in a personal bubble though. I don't like being around other people and their flaws, and I know they wouldn't like being around me and my flaws. It's win-win for both parties to stay separate and unattached. --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:901175077] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote>Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble.</quote> I prefer being in a personal bubble though. I don't like being around other people and their flaws, and I know they wouldn't like being around me and my flaws. It's win-win for both parties to stay separate and unattached.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 05/11/18 2:13:12 PM #17:	agreed with TC 100%, it's part of why i have trouble with a lot of internet communities as ive gotten older. these online echo chambers treating anxiety or social awkwardness like it's some unchangeable component of a person does nothing but hold people in a sort of arrested development. pretty much every positive change in my life has come from me facing anxiety and learning from it. as a side i also hate how shit like social anxiety is played up on the internet to the point where it seems like everyone is self-diagnosed with it. no, just because you're uncomfortable at a party full of strangers doesnt mean you have social anxiety. just experience life without feeling like everything has to fit into some kind of label, ugh --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:901175359] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>agreed with TC 100%, it's part of why i have trouble with a lot of internet communities as ive gotten older. these online echo chambers treating anxiety or social awkwardness like it's some unchangeable component of a person does nothing but hold people in a sort of arrested development. pretty much every positive change in my life has come from me facing anxiety and learning from it. as a side i also hate how shit like social anxiety is played up on the internet to the point where it seems like everyone is self-diagnosed with it. no, just because you're uncomfortable at a party full of strangers doesnt mean you have social anxiety. just experience life without feeling like everything has to fit into some kind of label, ugh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 05/11/18 2:18:39 PM #18:	Wait so how many of these unchanging memesters are there? I followed some mental illness meme Tumblr pages before and the people on there were coping and working towards bettering themselves. Irl, the types I know who meme or partake in these "normalization" practices are in treatment, not leaving it unattended. There are shitty people who use it as an excuse, but there are shitty neurotypicals as well. What's wrong with this form of coping exactly? What's wrong with destigmatizing social anxiety/autism? Because a minority of toxic individuals use it as an excuse? I don't exactly think those types would even seek treatment regardless. --- http://i.imgur.com/ymmqXXN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5iNwXbV.png http://i.imgur.com/HSriaa3.gif http://i.imgur.com/xphiy45.gifv <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:901175668] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Wait so how many of these unchanging memesters are there? I followed some mental illness meme Tumblr pages before and the people on there were coping and working towards bettering themselves. Irl, the types I know who meme or partake in these "normalization" practices are in treatment, not leaving it unattended. There are shitty people who use it as an excuse, but there are shitty neurotypicals as well. What's wrong with this form of coping exactly? What's wrong with destigmatizing social anxiety/autism? Because a minority of toxic individuals use it as an excuse? I don't exactly think those types would even seek treatment regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 05/11/18 2:25:03 PM #19:	Why do people think that memes are reality? --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:901176020] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Why do people think that memes are reality?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 05/11/18 2:26:41 PM #20:	krazychao5 posted... Why do people think that memes are reality? its not just memes, it's a trend of people acting like this is something you live with in a platform where lots of young developing ppl are hanging out my wife is a teacher and says that more than half of her students have diagnosed anxiety disorders, have to be given special concessions for it in regards to tests and hw and shit, etc --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:901176104] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people think that memes are reality?</quote> its not just memes, it's a trend of people acting like this is something you live with in a platform where lots of young developing ppl are hanging out my wife is a teacher and says that more than half of her students have diagnosed anxiety disorders, have to be given special concessions for it in regards to tests and hw and shit, etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 2:27:33 PM #21:	CountDog posted... I've had plenty of discussions my whole life on this topic and many others, it will get you no where, if your not a professional, people don't care,this all stems from ego, if you dish some out, you'll get some back. People not caring is precisely the problem, and it doesn't make it ok to accept other people not caring. CountDog posted... and ill wrap your ,"naive", comment, put that into a nice envelope. And send that back to you discreetly. Not really sure what you're trying to say here. That I'm naive? Why, because I refuse to accept people either giving up on themselves or not caring enough about themselves? I'm aware that there is some naivety in that, but I'm already jaded to society as a whole going down the shitter, if I become jaded on the individual doing the same, then there is literally no point to anything any more. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven http://i.imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ.png -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901176143] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountDog posted...</cite> <quote>I've had plenty of discussions my whole life on this topic and many others, it will get you no where, if your not a professional, people don't care,this all stems from ego, if you dish some out, you'll get some back.</quote> People not caring is precisely the problem, and it doesn't make it ok to accept other people not caring. <cite>CountDog posted...</cite> <quote>and ill wrap your ,"naive", comment, put that into a nice envelope. And send that back to you discreetly.</quote> Not really sure what you're trying to say here. That I'm naive? Why, because I refuse to accept people either giving up on themselves or not caring enough about themselves? I'm aware that there is some naivety in that, but I'm already jaded to society as a whole going down the shitter, if I become jaded on the individual doing the same, then there is literally no point to anything any more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 05/11/18 2:29:18 PM #22:	DragonGirlYuki posted... Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug. As opposed to the right who ignore things until they explode then blame the wrong source. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:901176231] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug.</quote> As opposed to the right who ignore things until they explode then blame the wrong source.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WelcomeToNilbog 05/11/18 2:30:00 PM #23:	krazychao5 posted... Why do people think that memes are reality? That is a very complicated question, but a valid one. I believe that memes can feed into one's life view in an almost obssessive-compulsive kind of way. When someone doesn't feel control in their life they latch onto anything that will give them that feeling of control; even a meme. Also, I don't wanna act like I'm above memes. I love me some dickbutt. <cite>WelcomeToNilbog posted [p:901176272] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people think that memes are reality?</quote> That is a very complicated question, but a valid one. I believe that memes can feed into one's life view in an almost obssessive-compulsive kind of way. When someone doesn't feel control in their life they latch onto anything that will give them that feeling of control; even a meme. Also, I don't wanna act like I'm above memes. I love me some dickbutt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flockaveli 05/11/18 2:30:34 PM #24:	Tbh I dont want to think about where Id be in life if I wasnt Anxiety Shamed. But everyones different, some people do well when theyre coddled as it makes the fear go away, others do well when the pressure is on them to do better. --- Chicago, greatest city in the world! <cite>Flockaveli posted [p:901176302] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Tbh I dont want to think about where Id be in life if I wasnt Anxiety Shamed. But everyones different, some people do well when theyre coddled as it makes the fear go away, others do well when the pressure is on them to do better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/11/18 2:34:40 PM #25:	I mean, I kinda get what TC's trying to get across, even if it's worded poorly --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:901176521] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I kinda get what TC's trying to get across, even if it's worded poorly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Konflikt 05/11/18 2:36:33 PM #26:	You're not really wrong. It's not particularly shameful for things like that to happen to you but it definitely is something that needs to be worked on. <cite>Konflikt posted [p:901176619] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>You're not really wrong. It's not particularly shameful for things like that to happen to you but it definitely is something that needs to be worked on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 05/11/18 2:37:24 PM #27:	Genuinely asking (and sorry if I've missed it): where is this popularization happening? --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:901176662] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Genuinely asking (and sorry if I've missed it): where is this popularization happening?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/11/18 2:37:41 PM #28:	Konflikt posted... It's not particularly shameful for things like that to happen to you but it definitely is something that needs to be worked on. yeah, this is my take --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:901176677] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Konflikt posted...</cite> <quote>It's not particularly shameful for things like that to happen to you but it definitely is something that needs to be worked on.</quote> yeah, this is my take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/11/18 2:40:28 PM #29:	Corrupt_Power posted... having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" Is this really a thing --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901176818] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote> having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal"</quote> Is this really a thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/11/18 2:40:30 PM #30:	Corrupt_Power posted... This idea of personal development not being worth it, or not even being a good idea, is an extremely dangerous poison to society as a whole. ^^^^^^^ --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:901176820] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote>This idea of personal development not being worth it, or not even being a good idea, is an extremely dangerous poison to society as a whole.</quote> ^^^^^^^</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 05/11/18 2:41:42 PM #32:	I'm a bit confused by the OP Is the issue that someone said "you too" when a waiter said have a good meal Or is the issue that the person had a panic attack after they said it --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901176887] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I'm a bit confused by the OP Is the issue that someone said "you too" when a waiter said have a good meal Or is the issue that the person had a panic attack after they said it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Konflikt 05/11/18 2:45:38 PM #33:	REMercsChamp posted... I'm a bit confused by the OP Is the issue that someone said "you too" when a waiter said have a good meal Or is the issue that the person had a panic attack after they said it The 'panic attack' bit would be the issue I've said "thanks, you too" when a pizza delivery driver told me to enjoy my pizza. It's just a silly mistake you laugh off, but someone with massive anxiety might think of something like that as a serious attack on their own character and intelligence. <cite>Konflikt posted [p:901177083] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I'm a bit confused by the OP Is the issue that someone said "you too" when a waiter said have a good meal Or is the issue that the person had a panic attack after they said it</quote> The 'panic attack' bit would be the issue I've said "thanks, you too" when a pizza delivery driver told me to enjoy my pizza. It's just a silly mistake you laugh off, but someone with massive anxiety might think of something like that as a serious attack on their own character and intelligence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 05/11/18 4:33:39 PM #34:	@The_Catgirl_Fondler posted... Corrupt_Power posted... Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble. I prefer being in a personal bubble though. I don't like being around other people and their flaws, and I know they wouldn't like being around me and my flaws. It's win-win for both parties to stay separate and unattached. Post with your main? --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:901182524] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>@The_Catgirl_Fondler posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote>Except in this particular case it's less full-blown stupidity and more everyone shuts down into their own personal bubble.</quote> I prefer being in a personal bubble though. I don't like being around other people and their flaws, and I know they wouldn't like being around me and my flaws. It's win-win for both parties to stay separate and unattached.</quote> Post with your main?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 4:35:26 PM #35:	REMercsChamp posted... Corrupt_Power posted... having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" Is this really a thing Yeah. Which is fine, so long as you recognize it's not healthy (the panic attack, not the verbal slip-up; everyone does that now and then) and are actively trying to understand why you respond that way and what you can do to work on it. The echo chamber that is the internet though has this weird, perverse, almost celebratory attitude towards it now, which is bad. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven https://imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901182612] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote> having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal"</quote> Is this really a thing</quote> Yeah. Which is fine, so long as you recognize it's not healthy (the panic attack, not the verbal slip-up; everyone does that now and then) and are actively trying to understand why you respond that way and what you can do to work on it. The echo chamber that is the internet though has this weird, perverse, almost celebratory attitude towards it now, which is bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 05/11/18 4:36:03 PM #36:	creativerealms posted... DragonGirlYuki posted... Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug. As opposed to the right who ignore things until they explode then blame the wrong source. That is what the PC left wants. Sweep the problem under the rug and pretend it is not there until it explodes so they can push their anti gun agenda. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:901182652] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug.</quote> As opposed to the right who ignore things until they explode then blame the wrong source.</quote> That is what the PC left wants. Sweep the problem under the rug and pretend it is not there until it explodes so they can push their anti gun agenda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 4:37:04 PM #37:	DragonGirlYuki posted... creativerealms posted... DragonGirlYuki posted... Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug. As opposed to the right who ignore things until they explode then blame the wrong source. That is what the left wants. Sweep the problem under the rug and pretend it is not there until it explodes so they can push their anti gun agenda. Take your political shit elsewhere, it isn't welcome in my topic. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven https://imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901182703] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>Careful the left will find it offensive if you try to point out certain people have a problem. No wonder why certain issues get swept under the rug.</quote> As opposed to the right who ignore things until they explode then blame the wrong source.</quote> That is what the left wants. Sweep the problem under the rug and pretend it is not there until it explodes so they can push their anti gun agenda.</quote> Take your political shit elsewhere, it isn't welcome in my topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/11/18 4:38:15 PM #38:	Corrupt_Power posted... REMercsChamp posted... Corrupt_Power posted... having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal" Is this really a thing Yeah. Which is fine, so long as you recognize it's not healthy (the panic attack, not the verbal slip-up; everyone does that now and then) and are actively trying to understand why you respond that way and what you can do to work on it. The echo chamber that is the internet though has this weird, perverse, almost celebratory attitude towards it now, which is bad. Who is celebrating that and why? I'd actually worry about people who react this strongly to inconsequential events like this. If they find themselves in social situations, if they perceive someone to have embarrassed them over something minor, or if someone makes a small joke at their expense, what are they going to do? Have a meltdown? Panic attack? Get violent? --- https://imgur.com/lwkIVOb <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901182755] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote> having a panic attack because you said "you too" when your waiter said "enjoy your meal"</quote> Is this really a thing</quote> Yeah. Which is fine, so long as you recognize it's not healthy (the panic attack, not the verbal slip-up; everyone does that now and then) and are actively trying to understand why you respond that way and what you can do to work on it. The echo chamber that is the internet though has this weird, perverse, almost celebratory attitude towards it now, which is bad.</quote> Who is celebrating that and why? I'd actually worry about people who react this strongly to inconsequential events like this. If they find themselves in social situations, if they perceive someone to have embarrassed them over something minor, or if someone makes a small joke at their expense, what are they going to do? Have a meltdown? Panic attack? Get violent?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 4:46:07 PM #39:	Celebrating isn't the best word either, I really can't come up with a single word that succinctly describes what I and a lot of other people apparently have been noticing. A big element to the whole thing too is that it's difficult to determine who has legitimate anti-social tendencies or behaviors, and who might just be a little introverted and either has a massive victim complex, or have blown their issues way out of proportion. Personally, and this is probably just a bit of cynicism on my part, I tend to look at people who feel the need to let others know about their every anxiety, panic, and meltdown aren't "genuine" - they're usually attention-starved in some way, and are more so going after that attention than they actually are suffering from social issues. There's a lot of overlap there too, though. --- On Android? Check out GameRaven: http://tinyurl.com/GameRaven https://imgur.com/ZAEZQUQ -mcpwnia <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901183138] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>Celebrating isn't the best word either, I really can't come up with a single word that succinctly describes what I and a lot of other people apparently have been noticing. A big element to the whole thing too is that it's difficult to determine who has legitimate anti-social tendencies or behaviors, and who might just be a little introverted and either has a massive victim complex, or have blown their issues way out of proportion. Personally, and this is probably just a bit of cynicism on my part, I tend to look at people who feel the need to let others know about their every anxiety, panic, and meltdown aren't "genuine" - they're usually attention-starved in some way, and are more so going after that attention than they actually are suffering from social issues. There's a lot of overlap there too, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 05/11/18 4:51:05 PM #40:	I think for most people shyness (or whatever you want to call it) is something you get over as you get older. Otherwise it's something you should go to the doctor for. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:901183392] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>I think for most people shyness (or whatever you want to call it) is something you get over as you get older. Otherwise it's something you should go to the doctor for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Konflikt 05/11/18 4:52:24 PM #41:	There are both positive and negative side-effects from the growing trend of anxiety expression on social media. It's good that people are talking about it and getting support, but at the same time, in a lot of aspects these anxious feelings are treated as a joke or 'meme' which is kinda insulting to people who legitimately experience them and it actually hinders their lifestyle as a result of it. <cite>Konflikt posted [p:901183462] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>There are both positive and negative side-effects from the growing trend of anxiety expression on social media. It's good that people are talking about it and getting support, but at the same time, in a lot of aspects these anxious feelings are treated as a joke or 'meme' which is kinda insulting to people who legitimately experience them and it actually hinders their lifestyle as a result of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 05/11/18 4:52:52 PM #42:	In real life it's not normalized, it's only normalized on the internet. The more I think about the differences between internet and real life interactions, the more it blows my mind. It's like the internet is a fantasy land. --- https://imgur.com/DCjoiZ0 <cite>spanky1 posted [p:901183491] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>In real life it's not normalized, it's only normalized on the internet. The more I think about the differences between internet and real life interactions, the more it blows my mind. It's like the internet is a fantasy land.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WelcomeToNilbog 05/11/18 4:58:02 PM #43:	spanky1 posted... In real life it's not normalized, it's only normalized on the internet. The more I think about the differences between internet and real life interactions, the more it blows my mind. It's like the internet is a fantasy land. Agreed to an extent. Dysfunction can definitely be normalized in co-dependent relationships, though. <cite>WelcomeToNilbog posted [p:901183751] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>spanky1 posted...</cite> <quote>In real life it's not normalized, it's only normalized on the internet. The more I think about the differences between internet and real life interactions, the more it blows my mind. It's like the internet is a fantasy land.</quote> Agreed to an extent. Dysfunction can definitely be normalized in co-dependent relationships, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 05/11/18 6:46:01 PM #45:	Corrupt_Power posted... A big element to the whole thing too is that it's difficult to determine who has legitimate anti-social tendencies or behaviors, and who might just be a little introverted and either has a massive victim complex, or have blown their issues way out of proportion. Personally, and this is probably just a bit of cynicism on my part, I tend to look at people who feel the need to let others know about their every anxiety, panic, and meltdown aren't "genuine" - they're usually attention-starved in some way, and are more so going after that attention than they actually are suffering from social issues. There's a lot of overlap there too, though. Why are you trying to psychoanalyze people based on memes? I think you've been thinking too much into this and cornered yourself. You took a stance and are trying to find evidence to back it up. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:901188943] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrupt_Power posted...</cite> <quote>A big element to the whole thing too is that it's difficult to determine who has legitimate anti-social tendencies or behaviors, and who might just be a little introverted and either has a massive victim complex, or have blown their issues way out of proportion. Personally, and this is probably just a bit of cynicism on my part, I tend to look at people who feel the need to let others know about their every anxiety, panic, and meltdown aren't "genuine" - they're usually attention-starved in some way, and are more so going after that attention than they actually are suffering from social issues. There's a lot of overlap there too, though. </quote> Why are you trying to psychoanalyze people based on memes? I think you've been thinking too much into this and cornered yourself. You took a stance and are trying to find evidence to back it up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 05/11/18 6:49:06 PM #46:	what is normal? --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:901189095] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>what is normal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/11/18 6:50:52 PM #47:	Sphyx posted... what is normal? Having a full blown panic attack because you said "you too" to a waiter certainly isn't --- https://imgur.com/lwkIVOb <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901189186] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sphyx posted...</cite> <quote>what is normal?</quote> Having a full blown panic attack because you said "you too" to a waiter certainly isn't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 05/11/18 7:35:53 PM #48:	If I was a waiter and somebody said that to me I would just think they're fans of the band --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:901191243] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote>If I was a waiter and somebody said that to me I would just think they're fans of the band</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrupt_Power 05/11/18 8:59:15 PM #51:	P4wn4g3 posted... TC as usual doesn't know what he's talking about and sounds crazy because of it, in this case along the lines of psychotic. A large number of people struggle with some form of anxiety, probably at least 25% of the population. It's not abnormal in itself to have generalized anxiety for example. More abnormal are specific anxiety anxiety disorders, such as agoraphobia, OCD, paranoid schizophrenia, etc. Since generalized anxiety is used as a catch all though more likely people don't have it and instead have one of these less common disorders. Now as for anti social behavior such as what TC exhibits and hates when everyone points it out (ironic considering the topic he made here), that's described more as a lack of empathy and no care for life or other people. Typically manipulation or outright destructive behavior is involved for the antisocial to get what they want. Few anxiety disorders overlap these since anxiety itself is often associated with empathy. But certain disorders are more commonly found with antisocial disorders, such as autism or aspergers for whatever reason. I'm not sure if there is actually any correlation between those, I think that's a big area of study these days. tl;dr don't normalize Caution. @P4wn4g3, what? Since when did you have issue with me? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:901195002] in Normalizin... [t:76598442]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>TC as usual doesn't know what he's talking about and sounds crazy because of it, in this case along the lines of psychotic. A large number of people struggle with some form of anxiety, probably at least 25% of the population. It's not abnormal in itself to have generalized anxiety for example. More abnormal are specific anxiety anxiety disorders, such as agoraphobia, OCD, paranoid schizophrenia, etc. Since generalized anxiety is used as a catch all though more likely people don't have it and instead have one of these less common disorders. Now as for anti social behavior such as what TC exhibits and hates when everyone points it out (ironic considering the topic he made here), that's described more as a lack of empathy and no care for life or other people. Typically manipulation or outright destructive behavior is involved for the antisocial to get what they want. Few anxiety disorders overlap these since anxiety itself is often associated with empathy. But certain disorders are more commonly found with antisocial disorders, such as autism or aspergers for whatever reason. I'm not sure if there is actually any correlation between those, I think that's a big area of study these days. tl;dr don't normalize Caution.</quote> @P4wn4g3, what? Since when did you have issue with me?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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