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dave_is_slick
05/17/18 8:52:45 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

This. Like, I don't get what's so wrong about calling monsters animals.
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Complete_Idi0t
05/17/18 8:52:47 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
Know who else called people sub-human? That's right, Hitler!

So did liberal hero FDR, right before rounding up Japanese Americans and putting them into concentration camps.

So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.


So it's a bad thing when a democrat does it, but OK when trump does it?
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 8:53:06 PM
#54:


Antifar posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.

LBJ was a tremendously shitty person.

I agree. However, leftists love to pretend he was some "hero of the black people" because he got the Democratic Party to stop stonewalling on the CRA. It's literally the first thing they bring up when they say that Dems and Republicans changed sides, despite the fact that he literally did it with the sole intention of using it AGAINST black people.

Like most Dem policies, he took a great idea, and used it to fuck over the people it was supposed to help.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 8:54:11 PM
#55:


The Admiral posted...
Imagine being so deranged by Trump that you find yourself defending people who gang rape women, cut people's heads off with chainsaws, and cut out the hearts of snitches while they're still alive and then mail them to their families.

Not really sure why the Dems are choosing to fight this battle.

With they way they defend Hamas and Hezbollah's desire for literal genocide, it seems par for the course that they'd defend MS-13, too.
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A_Good_Boy
05/17/18 8:54:20 PM
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
Know who else called people sub-human? That's right, Hitler!

So did liberal hero FDR, right before rounding up Japanese Americans and putting them into concentration camps.

So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.


So it's a bad thing when a democrat does it, but OK when trump does it?

This is why whataboutism makes for a shitty argument. Can't expect much else though from the guy that blames Obama for his wife leaving him.
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iPhone_7
05/17/18 8:54:34 PM
#57:


Antifar posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.

LBJ was a tremendously shitty person.

I have a feeling LBJ said something about black support and manipulate is actually what jedilink thinks about it.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 8:55:02 PM
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
Know who else called people sub-human? That's right, Hitler!

So did liberal hero FDR, right before rounding up Japanese Americans and putting them into concentration camps.

So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.

So it's a bad thing when a democrat does it, but OK when trump does it?

Are you suggesting black people or Japanese people are all gang members? That's pretty fuckin' racist.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 8:55:50 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Antifar posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.

LBJ was a tremendously shitty person.

I have a feeling LBJ said something about black support and manipulate is actually what jedilink thinks about it.

He literally said that Dems would "own those (n-word) again."
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Kineth
05/17/18 8:57:25 PM
#60:


tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists really need to learn how to pick their battles.


Conservatives need to learn how to pick their words.
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KillerKhan420
05/17/18 8:57:53 PM
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This is CE, where people defend communism and hate facism when both are complete shit. So defending murderous mother fuckers like ms-13 who'd chop your mom into pieces with you watching isn't a stretch.
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The Admiral
05/17/18 8:59:13 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
This is CE, where people defend communism and hate facism when both are complete shit. So defending murderous mother fuckers like ms-13 who'd chop your mom into pieces with you watching isn't a stretch.


This is CE, where users will also cry about "dehumanizing" gang members in one topics then call people Trumpanzees in another.
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Kineth
05/17/18 8:59:45 PM
#63:


Kineth posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.


How is properly identifying an animal anywhere close to defending a gang?


On top of this, would you guys stop with the fucking crocodile tears?
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iPhone_7
05/17/18 9:00:53 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
He literally said that Dems would "own those (n-word) again."

Thats pretty bad for LBJ to say that.

Now tell us all about how the Republican Party is essentially owed the black vote and that black people cant think for themselves so the Democratic Party tricks them into voting for them instead.

Do go on, after all its par the course for you rightwingers.
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DarkTransient
05/17/18 9:02:24 PM
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Of course they're humans. They don't magically become another species.

However, they are absolute filth garbage humans who definitely don't deserve to keep their human rights.
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foreveraIone
05/17/18 9:03:48 PM
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is darklinkjed just making more shit up again
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Nomadic View
05/17/18 9:03:57 PM
#67:


Spooking posted...
John Harwood is somebody who lives in a gated community where he never has to deal with anybody from MS-13. If he only knew the horrors that they do across the globe he would quickly change his tune.


He does know. He doesnt care. In his mind Trump is worse than MS-13.
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Bio1590
05/17/18 9:04:36 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
Antifar posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.

LBJ was a tremendously shitty person.

I have a feeling LBJ said something about black support and manipulate is actually what jedilink thinks about it.

He literally said that Dems would "own those (n-word) again."

If you're talking about that "200 years" quote it's highly disputed that he ever actually said that.

Btw I'm still waiting for your citation on gps phone data showing Martin and Zimmerman were never closer than 100 ft until the very end.
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iPhone_7
05/17/18 9:05:48 PM
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Great now a confirmed Daily Stormer is here.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 9:13:59 PM
#70:


Bio1590 posted...
If you're talking about that "200 years" quote it's highly disputed that he ever actually said that.

It's only "disputed" because - just like FDR putting Japanese Americans in unconstitutional concentration camps without due process, Woodrow Wilson actively fighting against women's suffrage, Bill Clinton signing into law a bill mandating Arkansas raise the Confederate flag at every state building, and the Clinton family taking advantage of de-facto slave labor as Chief Executive of Arkansas - it makes Dems look horrendously racist.

Because they are.
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tennisdude818
05/17/18 9:14:18 PM
#71:


Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists really need to learn how to pick their battles.


Conservatives need to learn how to pick their words.


If this is the hill that dems choose to die on, they are doing Trump a huge favor. It would mean that Trumps choice of words was advantageous to him.
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Funbazooka
05/17/18 9:14:32 PM
#72:


Trump Calls MS13 Members Animals, Gets Attacked by Jerry Brown and the Legacy Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwca5Nc2NG0" data-time="

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The Admiral
05/17/18 9:16:09 PM
#73:


Funbazooka posted...
Trump Calls MS13 Members Animals, Gets Attacked by Jerry Brown and the Legacy Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwca5Nc2NG0" data-time="


Dems are really tone deaf if they think defending MS-13 is winning them points for November.
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Kineth
05/17/18 9:16:47 PM
#74:


tennisdude818 posted...
Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists really need to learn how to pick their battles.


Conservatives need to learn how to pick their words.


If this is the hill that dems choose to die on, they are doing Trump a huge favor. It would mean that Trumps choice of words was advantageous to him.


That isn't a hill to die on, that's the entire point of the disagreement. It's the entire point of the bakery getting sued for not wanting to make a cake for a gay couple. If you guys would just take a step back and rephrase your shit, it wouldn't come out sounding like garbage. I don't really see how that's advantageous for Trump either way.
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Bio1590
05/17/18 9:17:31 PM
#75:


darkjedilink posted...
Bio1590 posted...
If you're talking about that "200 years" quote it's highly disputed that he ever actually said that.

It's only "disputed" because - just like FDR putting Japanese Americans in unconstitutional concentration camps without due process, Woodrow Wilson actively fighting against women's suffrage, Bill Clinton signing into law a bill mandating Arkansas raise the Confederate flag at every state building, and the Clinton family taking advantage of de-facto slave labor as Chief Executive of Arkansas - it makes Dems look horrendously racist.

Because they are.

No it's "disputed" because there's no actual proof he said it. Get over yourself.

And CONVENIENTLY you ignore the second part of my post. Sure makes anything to claim seem suspect when you can't back up what you say
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Lost_All_Senses
05/17/18 9:17:49 PM
#76:


D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Show one person doing both of these things. That sounds funny to see. I can't wait.


For someone who is an idol, you sure seem to have not been on CE for the better part of two years.


Don't think I have been.
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hockeybub89
05/17/18 9:18:34 PM
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Antifar
05/17/18 9:19:00 PM
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As an aside: anybody who has such attachment to a party they feel compelled to leap to the defense of its 1940s or even 1990s version has some screws loose.
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foreveraIone
05/17/18 9:20:01 PM
#79:


hockeybub89 posted...
Are neo-Nazis human beings?

are evangelicals ?
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A_Good_Boy
05/17/18 9:21:21 PM
#80:


hockeybub89 posted...
Are neo-Nazis human beings?

No, those are good people.
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hockeybub89
05/17/18 9:21:45 PM
#81:


foreveraIone posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Are neo-Nazis human beings?

are evangelicals ?

Yes and yes. Disgusting human beings, but human beings with rights nonetheless.
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Antifar
05/17/18 9:21:50 PM
#82:


hockeybub89 posted...
Are neo-Nazis human beings?

Yeah. The urge to say otherwise is a product of defensiveness.
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Howl
05/17/18 9:23:17 PM
#83:


Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists really need to learn how to pick their battles.


Conservatives need to learn how to pick their words.


If this is the hill that dems choose to die on, they are doing Trump a huge favor. It would mean that Trumps choice of words was advantageous to him.


That isn't a hill to die on, that's the entire point of the disagreement. It's the entire point of the bakery getting sued for not wanting to make a cake for a gay couple. If you guys would just take a step back and rephrase your shit, it wouldn't come out sounding like garbage. I don't really see how that's advantageous for Trump either way.


There's no reason to step back and rephrase anything. Everyone who listened to that video knows exactly that Trump was talking about MS-13. Everyone knew it from the start and still knows it. The argument before was "he's calling all immigrants and hispanics animals."

Then the AP retracted and issued a statement saying without any doubt he was referring specifically to MS-13 and now the argument is he should choose his words more wisely because it sounded bad.

No it didn't. Everyone knew from the start what he was saying. People just straight up lied about what he said knowing full well the truth.
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Complete_Idi0t
05/17/18 9:27:37 PM
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People never know from the start what Trump is talking about since he's a mealy-mouthed moron
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XplodnPnguins92
05/17/18 9:27:55 PM
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i see that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are also defending ms-13. lmao, 2020 will be fun.
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The Admiral
05/17/18 9:31:48 PM
#86:


XplodnPnguins92 posted...
i see that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are also defending ms-13. lmao, 2020 will be fun.


I wonder if Trump had called Hitler an animal if he could have baited these idiot Democrats into defending him also.
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TheVipaGTS
05/17/18 9:33:21 PM
#87:


Hey Admiral how is Wall Street today? Not too busy?
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Funbazooka
05/17/18 9:33:54 PM
#88:


Complete_Idi0t posted...
People never know from the start what Trump is talking about since he's a mealy-mouthed moron


It's crystal clear.

The video:
https://twitter.com/GOP/status/997134983750979585
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Atralis
05/17/18 9:35:29 PM
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Honestly if it were up to me we would just gather up the MS13 members from the prisons and communities around our country and round them up and tell them they are going to be deported and then impale them on stakes facing south all along the US border with their corpses kind of hanging over the edge of the border on these long poles just so that we are keeping our word. Basically the same thing that Vlad did with the Turks. A forest of death all along the border.

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foreveraIone
05/17/18 9:36:36 PM
#90:


Atralis posted...
Honestly if it were up to me we would just gather up the MS13 members from the prisons and communities around our country and round them up and tell them they are going to be deported and then impale them on stakes facing south all along the US border. Basically the same thing that Vlad did with the Turks. A forest of death all along the border.

I should never be president.

well at least you have self awareness.

your unhealthy fantasies of genocide scare me.
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Youngster_Joey_
05/17/18 9:37:58 PM
#91:


foreveraIone posted...
your unhealthy fantasies of genocide scare me.


MS-13 members should scare you more tbqh
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Illuminoius
05/17/18 9:38:05 PM
#92:


so many people are clinging to the really easy and pathetic response of taking the statement literally
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Atralis
05/17/18 9:38:36 PM
#93:


foreveraIone posted...
Atralis posted...
Honestly if it were up to me we would just gather up the MS13 members from the prisons and communities around our country and round them up and tell them they are going to be deported and then impale them on stakes facing south all along the US border. Basically the same thing that Vlad did with the Turks. A forest of death all along the border.

I should never be president.

well at least you have self awareness.

your unhealthy fantasies of genocide scare me.


MS 13 members aren't born with those tats which means this most certainly wouldn't be genocide. I mean these guys basically tattoo "kill me" on their foreheads. Do you even doubt that if they became as big of a problem in the US as they are in El Salvador they would just be executed extralegally across the US? "Resisting arrest".
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TheVipaGTS
05/17/18 9:41:15 PM
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For the record I think people defending the ms-13 are idiots in this...that said all you people trying walk around the animals comment with he just meant the gang members! Need to wake the fuck up lol.
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Nundulan
05/17/18 9:41:48 PM
#95:


Howl posted...
All humans are animals so this is objectively incorrect.

Winner winner
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 9:44:24 PM
#96:


TheVipaGTS posted...
For the record I think people defending the ms-13 are idiots in this...that said all you people trying walk around the animals comment with he just meant the gang members! Need to wake the fuck up lol.

He literally was talking about MS-13. Any reading into it you do is your own bullshit, and it's a legitimate handwaving of MS-13 that you see criticism of MS-13 as an attack on Mexicans.
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Funbazooka
05/17/18 9:46:42 PM
#97:


Virtuous Democrats see criticism of MS-13 as an attack on Mexicans.
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tennisdude818
05/17/18 9:51:50 PM
#98:


Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists really need to learn how to pick their battles.


Conservatives need to learn how to pick their words.


If this is the hill that dems choose to die on, they are doing Trump a huge favor. It would mean that Trumps choice of words was advantageous to him.


That isn't a hill to die on, that's the entire point of the disagreement. It's the entire point of the bakery getting sued for not wanting to make a cake for a gay couple. If you guys would just take a step back and rephrase your shit, it wouldn't come out sounding like garbage. I don't really see how that's advantageous for Trump either way.


Its advantageous for Trump because this whole thing started with AP making a mistake and having to delete their tweet. So if Dems keep fighting this battle they play right into the narrative that the fake news MSM is out to get Trump. They also bring more attention to the horrific crimes of MS-13, which will only help Trumps push for border security.
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foreveraIone
05/17/18 9:55:04 PM
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Atralis posted...
foreveraIone posted...
Atralis posted...
Honestly if it were up to me we would just gather up the MS13 members from the prisons and communities around our country and round them up and tell them they are going to be deported and then impale them on stakes facing south all along the US border. Basically the same thing that Vlad did with the Turks. A forest of death all along the border.

I should never be president.

well at least you have self awareness.

your unhealthy fantasies of genocide scare me.


MS 13 members aren't born with those tats which means this most certainly wouldn't be genocide. I mean these guys basically tattoo "kill me" on their foreheads. Do you even doubt that if they became as big of a problem in the US as they are in El Salvador they would just be executed extralegally across the US? "Resisting arrest".

I'm talking about other things u say m8.

they involve nukes
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Unsugarized_Foo
05/17/18 9:57:31 PM
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They are human, get off your high horse.

But they should be dead humans cause they suck
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Esrac
05/17/18 10:05:51 PM
#101:


Shuto-uke posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.


He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).


No, I don't think that's what happened. It seemed to be a direct response to a remark made by someone specifically about an MS-13 gang member or members.
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