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Swagnificent119
05/17/18 10:07:22 PM
#102:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
They are human, get off your high horse.

But they should be dead humans cause they suck


What is the fucking point of this designation?

At first I figured it was because people wanted to point out they deserved human rights or something, but then you say "yeah, they should just be dead though"

so you're going with the "well, they ARE literally human so he's wrong!" thing?

That's really the way you're going to go?
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Unsugarized_Foo
05/17/18 10:10:04 PM
#103:


Brah, its deeper than that, come on off that horse, take a good look
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Dragonblade01
05/17/18 10:11:35 PM
#104:


"Even if they committed attrocities, we have to be willing to acknowledge they are still human."

If you read this sort of statement as a defense of the criminals or their actions, you aren't thinking with a clear head.
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TaiIs82
05/17/18 10:12:07 PM
#105:


How amazing that after years of bashing the president (and half the country by extension), the press always manages to jump to the defense of rapist killers and find humanity in them.

More of that Hillary "empathize with our enemies" attitude, I guess. No matter how many people get killed from the sanctuary gang violence.
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Overheadnero
05/17/18 10:16:17 PM
#106:


"people stop being human after they commit a crime"
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Unsugarized_Foo
05/17/18 10:18:12 PM
#107:


Overheadnero posted...
"people stop being human after they commit a crime"


Brah, its deeper. They're human while committing a crime o.o
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 10:48:32 PM
#108:


Esrac posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.


He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).


No, I don't think that's what happened. It seemed to be a direct response to a remark made by someone specifically about an MS-13 gang member or members.

Not "seemed to." It literally was a direct response to a question about MS-13.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/17/18 11:05:40 PM
#109:


Some people deserve Punisher-like justice thrust upon them. The FBI needs a boogeyman division to just "disappear" people.
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CanuckCowboy
05/17/18 11:09:36 PM
#110:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
Some people deserve Punisher-like justice thrust upon them. The FBI needs a boogeyman division to just "disappear" people.


Imagine believing this.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
05/17/18 11:36:42 PM
#111:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
Some people deserve Punisher-like justice thrust upon them. The FBI needs a boogeyman division to just "disappear" people.

That's a fantastic idea, actually. Seems more up the CIA's alley but definitely a good idea

But yeah they're human, they just don't deserve the rights accorded that title, bretty simple
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Typhon
05/18/18 9:59:06 AM
#113:


Shuto-uke posted...
He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13


Isn't this projection?
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Shuto-uke
05/18/18 10:01:34 AM
#114:


Typhon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13


Isn't this projection?


How would it be projection?
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The Admiral
05/18/18 10:03:32 AM
#115:


Shuto-uke posted...
Typhon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13


Isn't this projection?


How would it be projection?


Because you're the one conflating them, not Trump. Absolutely no part of his speech or later clarification indicates that's talking about anyone but MS-13.

So either you are projecting that fact that you conflate those two things, or you're just hearing what you want to in order to justify your anti-Trump bias. Take your pick.
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Kineth
05/18/18 10:08:34 AM
#116:


Overheadnero posted...
"people stop being human after they commit a crime"


Considering how people speak of criminals on this board, I imagine a lot of them legit agree with that statement.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/18/18 10:10:18 AM
#117:


Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 10:13:47 AM
#118:


GOATTHlEF posted...
Well I guess we found the issue the Righters are going to try and derail the blue wave with.

Pretty sure it'll work, too.
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Thompson
05/18/18 10:14:02 AM
#119:


Kineth posted...
Overheadnero posted...
"people stop being human after they commit a crime"


Considering how people speak of criminals on this board, I imagine a lot of them legit agree with that statement.

"human rights only apply to people we like"
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 10:14:34 AM
#120:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.

Well leftists do value illegal immigrants over actual American citizens.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/18/18 10:18:16 AM
#121:


Thompson posted...
"human rights only apply to people we like"


Calling someone an animal might be dehumanizing but it's not a statement on policy.
No one is saying, "they're not human therefore . . ."

You're inferring that because you're weak.

Again, calling them animals is an emotional rhetorical device and nothing more. It shows his disdain for them and their crimes.
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gunplagirl
05/18/18 10:19:22 AM
#122:


The Admiral posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Typhon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13


Isn't this projection?


How would it be projection?


Because you're the one conflating them, not Trump. Absolutely no part of his speech or later clarification indicates that he's talking about anyone but MS-13.

So either you are projecting that fact that you conflate those two things, or you're just hearing what you want to in order to justify your anti-Trump bias. Take your pick.


He didn't specify ms13, though it was part of the question that prompted his answer. But in conjunction with say, his "when they send people they aren't sending their best" line? It's pretty fucking reasonable to say that yeah, Trump is walking a fine line if he hasn't already crossed it. And he has.
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Caution999
05/18/18 10:20:30 AM
#123:


The desperate left will use any excuse to shit on Trump. This topic proves that point.
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Kineth
05/18/18 10:20:33 AM
#124:


darkjedilink posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.

Well leftists do value illegal immigrants over actual American citizens.


No, those are the employers who hire them over the American worker and also pay them less in order to ruin the labor market.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/18/18 10:22:34 AM
#125:


I wish people had the integrity to address Trump's statements with ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

Trump is a terrible person and worse leader but that doesn't mean literally* everything he says needs to be picked apart with the presupposition that it must* be wrong, factually/morally or otherwise.
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AlecSkorpio
05/18/18 11:12:20 AM
#126:


Thompson posted...
"human rights only apply to people we like"


I mean, in the same way that a criminal loses certain rights when they commit crimes, maybe certain people should lose their human rights when they start dismembering and torturing other humans or things even worse than that.

I know, crazy idea.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 11:18:01 AM
#127:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.

Well leftists do value illegal immigrants over actual American citizens.

No, those are the employers who hire them over the American worker and also pay them less in order to ruin the labor market.

California literally aided and abetted an MS-13 member wanted for multiple rapes and murders because he was an illegal immigrant being targeted by ICE.
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NinjaWarrior455
05/18/18 11:22:49 AM
#128:


AlecSkorpio posted...
Thompson posted...
"human rights only apply to people we like"


I mean, in the same way that a criminal loses certain rights when they commit crimes, maybe certain people should lose their human rights when they start dismembering and torturing other humans or things even worse than that.

I know, crazy idea.

You're right. It is a crazy idea and one that should never be implemented.
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CyricZ
05/18/18 11:25:51 AM
#129:


This could all be avoided if our president could form a complete fucking sentence
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AlecSkorpio
05/18/18 12:12:10 PM
#130:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
AlecSkorpio posted...
Thompson posted...
"human rights only apply to people we like"


I mean, in the same way that a criminal loses certain rights when they commit crimes, maybe certain people should lose their human rights when they start dismembering and torturing other humans or things even worse than that.

I know, crazy idea.

You're right. It is a crazy idea and one that should never be implemented.


I'll remember that the next time I hear about a video of one of these guys cutting the heart out of a child.
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Shuto-uke
05/18/18 12:20:42 PM
#131:


The Admiral posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Typhon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13


Isn't this projection?


How would it be projection?


Because you're the one conflating them, not Trump. Absolutely no part of his speech or later clarification indicates that he's talking about anyone but MS-13.

So either you are projecting that fact that you conflate those two things, or you're just hearing what you want to in order to justify your anti-Trump bias. Take your pick.


THIS is the one thing you respond to? And not my post addressing every single thing wrong with your other post?

That is pathetic man, sorry.
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50Blessings
05/18/18 12:54:21 PM
#132:


Of course CE liberals would be standing up for members of MS13.
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Shuto-uke
05/18/18 1:20:18 PM
#133:


50Blessings posted...
Of course CE liberals would be standing up for members of MS13.


who did?
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Kineth
05/18/18 2:51:00 PM
#134:


darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.

Well leftists do value illegal immigrants over actual American citizens.

No, those are the employers who hire them over the American worker and also pay them less in order to ruin the labor market.

California literally aided and abetted an MS-13 member wanted for multiple rapes and murders because he was an illegal immigrant being targeted by ICE.


And the US government propped up and supported Saddam. So what.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 2:53:04 PM
#135:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.

Well leftists do value illegal immigrants over actual American citizens.

No, those are the employers who hire them over the American worker and also pay them less in order to ruin the labor market.

California literally aided and abetted an MS-13 member wanted for multiple rapes and murders because he was an illegal immigrant being targeted by ICE.

And the US government propped up and supported Saddam. So what.

So liberals actions prove they care more about illegal immigrants than American citizens.

i never argued America's government cared about the people of Iraq, so idk what your point is.
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Funbazooka
05/18/18 2:57:09 PM
#136:


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Kineth
05/18/18 2:58:55 PM
#137:


darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Imagine this being the issue to dig your heels in on against Trump.

Well leftists do value illegal immigrants over actual American citizens.

No, those are the employers who hire them over the American worker and also pay them less in order to ruin the labor market.

California literally aided and abetted an MS-13 member wanted for multiple rapes and murders because he was an illegal immigrant being targeted by ICE.

And the US government propped up and supported Saddam. So what.

So liberals actions prove they care more about illegal immigrants than American citizens.

i never argued America's government cared about the people of Iraq, so idk what your point is.


Sincere question: Do you actually believe what you said there in that first sentence?

Anyway, yes, you don't know what my point was because I wasn't speaking of that and was advocating for Americans over illegals when I initially disagreed with you.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 3:04:09 PM
#138:


Kineth posted...
Sincere question: Do you actually believe what you said there in that first sentence?

Anyway, yes, you don't know what my point was because I wasn't speaking of that and was advocating for Americans over illegals when I initially disagreed with you.

Yes, I do. California especially as proven it multiple times. The fact that sanctuary cities exist proves it. The fact that we literally have people defending MS-13, despite everything MS-13 has done, JUST to spite Trump proves it.

And bullshit on 'advocating Americans over illegals.' Liberals are actively preventing corporations from working with law enforcement to prevent those very investigations.
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ledbowman
05/18/18 3:07:58 PM
#139:


Trump stans sure are defensive about this.
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50Blessings
05/18/18 3:08:29 PM
#140:


Shuto-uke posted...
50Blessings posted...
Of course CE liberals would be standing up for members of MS13.


who did?


Anyone crying foul over Trump calling them animals

Unless you're honestly going for the literal angle, in which case of course CE users are acting like they have a social disorder.
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Shuto-uke
05/18/18 3:11:48 PM
#141:


50Blessings posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
50Blessings posted...
Of course CE liberals would be standing up for members of MS13.


who did?


Anyone crying foul over Trump calling them animals

Unless you're honestly going for the literal angle, in which case of course CE users are acting like they have a social disorder.


people are saying he called all immigrants animals, based on his quote he did. You and others extrapolated it to OGOGOGOGO TEH MS13 DEFENSE!
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The Admiral
05/18/18 3:12:33 PM
#142:


ledbowman posted...
Trump stans sure are defensive about this.


I can't even imagine the level of delusions that must be going through your head to say this after your extended humiliating meltdown in the other topic where you said stupid shit that includes:

ledbowman posted...
Get this god damn fascist out of my White House.

ledbowman posted...
So should we just execute them on-site since they're not people with rights?

ledbowman posted...
So are you guys cool with extrajudicial on-the-spot executions of these people you deem subhuman animals?


Fucking LOL
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50Blessings
05/18/18 3:14:09 PM
#143:


Shuto-uke posted...
50Blessings posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
50Blessings posted...
Of course CE liberals would be standing up for members of MS13.


who did?


Anyone crying foul over Trump calling them animals

Unless you're honestly going for the literal angle, in which case of course CE users are acting like they have a social disorder.


people are saying he called all immigrants animals, based on his quote he did. You and others extrapolated it to OGOGOGOGO TEH MS13 DEFENSE!


No that's what it literally was.

Good to know you are in fact delusional though.
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ledbowman
05/18/18 3:15:12 PM
#144:


The Admiral posted...
ledbowman posted...
Trump stans sure are defensive about this.


I can't even imagine the level of delusions that must be going through your head to say this after your extended humiliating meltdown in the other topic where you said stupid shit that includes:

ledbowman posted...
Get this god damn fascist out of my White House.

ledbowman posted...
So should we just execute them on-site since they're not people with rights?

ledbowman posted...
So are you guys cool with extrajudicial on-the-spot executions of these people you deem subhuman animals?


Fucking LOL

You ever gonna answer that question?
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The Admiral
05/18/18 3:15:51 PM
#145:


ledbowman posted...
The Admiral posted...
ledbowman posted...
Trump stans sure are defensive about this.


I can't even imagine the level of delusions that must be going through your head to say this after your extended humiliating meltdown in the other topic where you said stupid shit that includes:

ledbowman posted...
Get this god damn fascist out of my White House.

ledbowman posted...
So should we just execute them on-site since they're not people with rights?

ledbowman posted...
So are you guys cool with extrajudicial on-the-spot executions of these people you deem subhuman animals?


Fucking LOL

You ever gonna answer that question?


Yes, with laughter at how hard you're trying.
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Kineth
05/18/18 3:16:33 PM
#146:


darkjedilink posted...
And bullshit on 'advocating Americans over illegals.' Liberals are actively preventing corporations from working with law enforcement to prevent those very investigations.


Ok, this legit sounds nutty to me. California is apparently representative of all liberals and apparently my words aren't representative of a liberal's point of view. Either way, I wasn't justifying any of this shit in the first place so either have the argument with me as a representative of "liberals" or don't, but that's a point that wasn't disagreed on. All any of us have been disagreeing on is the language used. To think that that's some attempt to defend a criminal or a gang or anyone in particular is just not the rationale behind the dissent, at all.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/18/18 3:16:38 PM
#147:


Complete_Idi0t posted...
I don't see in the dictionary where it says you change species if you do distasteful things


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darkjedilink
05/18/18 3:54:49 PM
#148:


Shuto-uke posted...
50Blessings posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
50Blessings posted...
Of course CE liberals would be standing up for members of MS13.


who did?


Anyone crying foul over Trump calling them animals

Unless you're honestly going for the literal angle, in which case of course CE users are acting like they have a social disorder.


people are saying he called all immigrants animals, based on his quote he did. You and others extrapolated it to OGOGOGOGO TEH MS13 DEFENSE!

That quote was in direct response to a question specifically about MS-13. This means he was talking about MS-13.
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Samurontai
05/18/18 4:01:23 PM
#149:


Kim Kusanagi posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
I don't see in the dictionary where it says you change species if you do distasteful things


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Youngster_Joey_
05/18/18 11:43:46 PM
#150:


So just to be clear

MS13 being animals = not okay and wrong

Trump Supporters being deplorable/trumpanzees = just a little cheeky fun?
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gamepimp12
05/19/18 12:04:20 AM
#151:


I dont think people are defending the gang

Just that broadly and vaguely calling them animals can be dangerous rhetoric, especially when govement agencies are under accusations of falsely accusing immigrants for being gang members.

Trump calling the gang animals(a dehumanizations he hasnt give white people ircc) + a government agency calling as many immigrants as possible gang members = a potential mass deportation strategy that allows for the unfair treatment of even legal immigrants under false pretense.
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