Current Events > "however repugnant their actions, MS-13 gang members are human beings"

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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/997068578116513793

No, sorry, when you start butchering people you become subhuman filth.

I agree TC.
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What is this in response to?
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OP is factually wrong
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I don't see in the dictionary where it says you change species if you do distasteful things

These mother fuckers. Just look at some examples of what they've done. Calling them animals doesn't go far enough.
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gangs are so stupid
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Youre literally incorrect. How does committing a crime change your genetic makeup?
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both sides
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Reminder that the kind of people who are defending MS-13 were also the people who encouraged punching and dehumanizing the alt right.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Reminder that the kind of people who are defending MS-13 were also the people who encouraged punching and dehumanizing the alt right.

Show one person doing both of these things. That sounds funny to see. I can't wait.
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These are humans doing things humans have done for thousands of years.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Show one person doing both of these things. That sounds funny to see. I can't wait.

For someone who is an idol, you sure seem to have not been on CE for the better part of two years.
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LightningAce11 posted...

These are humans doing things humans have done for thousands of years.

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All humans are animals so this is objectively incorrect.
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sobergermanguy posted...

OP is factually wrong

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I love the Trump bots on social comparing this to "Trump's very fine people" comment. Lol they're so bad at false equivalents
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"however repugnant their actions, nazis are human beings"
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This topic sure is exceptional.
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/997068578116513793

No, sorry, when you start butchering people you become subhuman filth.

would you say that the charlottesville nazis are "very fine people"? Hmmmmm?

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.
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humans are the worst
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Shuto-uke posted...

would you say that the charlottesville nazis are "very fine people"? Hmmmmm?

No, I wouldn't.

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

No one is defending them
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iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

How is properly identifying an animal anywhere close to defending a gang?
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Youre literally incorrect. How does committing a crime change your genetic makeup?

lmao imagine being this clueless
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Shuto-uke posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

Citation needed
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Howl posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

Citation needed

Good luck finding common sense or reading human behavior in citations lol

Howl posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

Citation needed

It's what ICE does; they try to tie people to gangs regardless of the evidence.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ms-13-gang-ice-crackdown-thomas-homan/

The target of the pre-dawn raid was a suspected member of MS-13 who had illegally entered the U.S. The team of 12 immigration agents and local police expected the 20-year-old suspect to be armed.

"He entered the country illegally so and then he went through the immigration process and a judge ordered him removed," said Jason Molina, assistant special agent in charge.

"We know he's an MS-13 member?" Brennan said.

"Yes. We have information, we have pictures of him actually flashing gang signs," Molina said.

But gang membership is not a crime, and the agents did not have a criminal warrant. They only weapons they found were "either pellet guns or BB guns," Molina said.

But Molina's team was still able to make the arrest based on the suspect's immigration status part of the unique mandate of the Homeland Security investigations unit of ICE. An hour later, they nabbed a second suspect. Molina said he is an MS-13 associate.

"So his known crime is entering the country illegally?" Brennan asked.

"Correct," Molina said.

"But that's it at this point, that's all you definitely know?" Brennan asked.

"That's correct. The purpose of classifying him as a gang member or a gang associate is because once he goes in front of an immigration judge, we don't want him to get bail, because the whole point of this operation is to get these known gang members off the street," Molina said.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/federal-judge-accused-ice-of-making-up-evidence-to-prove-that-dreamer-was-gang-affiliated.html

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Ricardo S. Martinez shot down the federal governments efforts to strip Daniel Ramirez Medina of his DACA status. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had arrested and detained Ramirez last year, then falsely claimed that he was affiliated with a gang and attempted to deport him. He filed suit, alleging that ICE had violated his due process rights. Martinez agreed. His order barred the federal government from voiding Ramirezs DACA status, safeguarding his ability to live and work in the United States legally for the foreseeable future. What may be most remarkable about Martinezs decision, though, is its blunt repudiation of ICEs main claimthat Ramirez is gang-affiliated. The judge did not simply rule against ICE. He accused the agency of lying to a court of law.

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babyeatermax posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

No one is defending them

Literally lying about what Trump said about MS-13 to make it out that he was saying it about all Mexican immigrants is defending MS-13. Asking the WH Press Secretary to "explain" his "controversial" comment about MS-13 is defending MS-13.

Trying to argue the fucking point that MS-13 gang members are fucking subhuman mongrels is defending MS-13.
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Antifar posted...

Howl posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

Citation needed

It's what ICE does

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ms-13-gang-ice-crackdown-thomas-homan/

The target of the pre-dawn raid was a suspected member of MS-13 who had illegally entered the U.S. The team of 12 immigration agents and local police expected the 20-year-old suspect to be armed.

"He entered the country illegally so and then he went through the immigration process and a judge ordered him removed," said Jason Molina, assistant special agent in charge.

"We know he's an MS-13 member?" Brennan said.

"Yes. We have information, we have pictures of him actually flashing gang signs," Molina said.

But gang membership is not a crime, and the agents did not have a criminal warrant. They only weapons they found were "either pellet guns or BB guns," Molina said.

But Molina's team was still able to make the arrest based on the suspect's immigration status part of the unique mandate of the Homeland Security investigations unit of ICE. An hour later, they nabbed a second suspect. Molina said he is an MS-13 associate.

"So his known crime is entering the country illegally?" Brennan asked.

"Correct," Molina said.

"But that's it at this point, that's all you definitely know?" Brennan asked.

"That's correct. The purpose of classifying him as a gang member or a gang associate is because once he goes in front of an immigration judge, we don't want him to get bail, because the whole point of this operation is to get these known gang members off the street," Molina said.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/federal-judge-accused-ice-of-making-up-evidence-to-prove-that-dreamer-was-gang-affiliated.html

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Ricardo S. Martinez shot down the federal governments efforts to strip Daniel Ramirez Medina of his DACA status. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had arrested and detained Ramirez last year, then falsely claimed that he was affiliated with a gang and attempted to deport him. He filed suit, alleging that ICE had violated his due process rights. Martinez agreed. His order barred the federal government from voiding Ramirezs DACA status, safeguarding his ability to live and work in the United States legally for the foreseeable future. What may be most remarkable about Martinezs decision, though, is its blunt repudiation of ICEs main claimthat Ramirez is gang-affiliated. The judge did not simply rule against ICE. He accused the agency of lying to a court of law.

None of that even remotely suggests that the organization as a whole is doing that to all immigrants, and certainly not to all hispanics. That was 1 person who did that and the court ruled against him.
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Antifar posted...

Howl posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

Citation needed

It's what ICE does; they try to tie people to gangs regardless of the evidence.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ms-13-gang-ice-crackdown-thomas-homan/

The target of the pre-dawn raid was a suspected member of MS-13 who had illegally entered the U.S. The team of 12 immigration agents and local police expected the 20-year-old suspect to be armed.

"He entered the country illegally so and then he went through the immigration process and a judge ordered him removed," said Jason Molina, assistant special agent in charge.

"We know he's an MS-13 member?" Brennan said.

"Yes. We have information, we have pictures of him actually flashing gang signs," Molina said.

But gang membership is not a crime, and the agents did not have a criminal warrant. They only weapons they found were "either pellet guns or BB guns," Molina said.

But Molina's team was still able to make the arrest based on the suspect's immigration status part of the unique mandate of the Homeland Security investigations unit of ICE. An hour later, they nabbed a second suspect. Molina said he is an MS-13 associate.

"So his known crime is entering the country illegally?" Brennan asked.

"Correct," Molina said.

"But that's it at this point, that's all you definitely know?" Brennan asked.

"That's correct. The purpose of classifying him as a gang member or a gang associate is because once he goes in front of an immigration judge, we don't want him to get bail, because the whole point of this operation is to get these known gang members off the street," Molina said.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/federal-judge-accused-ice-of-making-up-evidence-to-prove-that-dreamer-was-gang-affiliated.html

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Ricardo S. Martinez shot down the federal governments efforts to strip Daniel Ramirez Medina of his DACA status. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had arrested and detained Ramirez last year, then falsely claimed that he was affiliated with a gang and attempted to deport him. He filed suit, alleging that ICE had violated his due process rights. Martinez agreed. His order barred the federal government from voiding Ramirezs DACA status, safeguarding his ability to live and work in the United States legally for the foreseeable future. What may be most remarkable about Martinezs decision, though, is its blunt repudiation of ICEs main claimthat Ramirez is gang-affiliated. The judge did not simply rule against ICE. He accused the agency of lying to a court of law.

Wow, this part is hard to read:

"he told them that he had a work permit.

It doesnt matter, an agent responded, because you werent born in this country."


So basically the "come legally" thing is pure bullshit? It's "be born here or don't come"? ol

Was the Funky Town guy MS-13 or just Cartel?

Either way, should send it to that guy.
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darkjedilink posted...

Trying to argue the f***ing point that MS-13 gang members are f***ing subhuman mongrels is defending MS-13.

Mongrels huh? Yeah, no racial overtones there....

Once again how does any of that suggest that Trump was referring to all hispanics or even all immigrants? It doesn't clearly.
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darkjedilink posted...

Literally lying about what Trump said about MS-13 to make it out that he was saying it about all Mexican immigrants is defending MS-13. Asking the WH Press Secretary to "explain" his "controversial" comment about MS-13 is defending MS-13.

Trying to argue the f***ing point that MS-13 gang members are f***ing subhuman mongrels is defending MS-13.

Nuh uh! We're just correcting you on your incorrect word usage!


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Shuto-uke posted...

Howl posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Look, Im all for criticizing Trump since hes such an incompetent a**hole & deserves most of the hate he gets.

But its probably not a good idea to come to the defense of a murderous criminal gang just to make a point against him.

He's basically conflating all hispanics or all immigrants with ms-13, and then dehumanizing ms-13 (who are scum, I do agree on that).

Citation needed

Good luck finding common sense or reading human behavior in citations lol

So you admit you're just making shit up in defense of people who literally chop people up while they're still alive?
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My Poe's Law sense is going berserk right now.
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Know who else called people sub-human? That's right, Hitler!

It's a very silly thing to make a big deal about, especially the "news" media.

*gasp* Oh no. Trump referred to the MS 13 as animals. What does this mean? Is this factually correct? Is this okay to do?

I mean come on, give me a break. Literally no one fucking cares.
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Capn Circus posted...

It's a very silly thing to make a big deal about, especially the "news" media.

*gasp* Oh no. Trump referred to the MS 13 as animals. What does this mean? Is this factually correct? Is this okay to do?

I mean come on, give me a break. Literally no one fucking cares.

On the contrary @antifar cares so much he probably fainted when he read that because his blood pressure rose so high from his fake outrage. Trump called murdering rapists animals????? Arrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!
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Leftists really need to learn how to pick their battles.
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Complete_Idi0t posted...

Know who else called people sub-human? That's right, Hitler!

So did liberal hero FDR, right before rounding up Japanese Americans and putting them into concentration camps.

So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.
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Lol the desperate left

darkjedilink posted...

So did liberal hero LBJ, right before telling all his Dem friends that they can use the Civil Rights Act to manipulate black people and own the black vote for 200 years.

LBJ was a tremendously shitty person.
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Imagine being so deranged by Trump that you find yourself defending people who gang rape women, cut people's heads off with chainsaws, and cut out the hearts of snitches while they're still alive and then mail them to their families.

Not really sure why the Dems are choosing to fight this battle.
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