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Nuffinz0rz
05/27/18 2:32:41 AM
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Curiosity question

Two people find each other attractive and they're both on board. Why should the government be allowed to tell them they can't have consensual sex?
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YoungMutual
05/27/18 2:34:36 AM
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Ultima Dragon
05/27/18 2:35:15 AM
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I guess because it's a healthcare liability if they produce offspring with genetic defects.
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BillWardsPants
05/27/18 2:36:26 AM
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Because its gross and degenerate.
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St0rmFury
05/27/18 2:36:44 AM
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BillWardsPants posted...
Because its gross and degenerate.

Says who, the bible?
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SpiralDrift
05/27/18 2:36:44 AM
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Ultima Dragon posted...
I guess because it's a healthcare liability if they produce offspring with genetic defects.

Should people with genetic defects not be allowed to reproduce then also?
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DarkChozoGhost
05/27/18 2:37:11 AM
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Grooming potential
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gunplagirl
05/27/18 2:39:14 AM
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YoungMutual posted...
Dunno, I think potential offspring can come out weird.

Even in mice (who are generally far more reactive to things like mutations, cancer causing substances, etc. than humans), it takes like 5-6 successive generations of inbreeding to see any notable birth defects or genetic issues in offspring.

Basically, the taboo is the only real reason it's still illegal between two consenting adults.
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Metro2
05/27/18 2:41:53 AM
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Use 1) abortion or 2) protection

Boom, defective offspring problem solved
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Rob Cesternino
05/27/18 2:42:50 AM
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Ultima Dragon posted...
I guess because it's a healthcare liability if they produce offspring with genetic defects.


So as long as they don't have children, its ok if they have sex?
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BillWardsPants
05/27/18 2:43:20 AM
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St0rmFury posted...
BillWardsPants posted...
Because its gross and degenerate.

Says who, the bible?

The Bible is pretty conflicted when it comes to matters of fucking your own relatives.
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Ajenla
05/27/18 2:44:47 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
Ultima Dragon posted...
I guess because it's a healthcare liability if they produce offspring with genetic defects.

Should people with genetic defects not be allowed to reproduce then also?

I'm not Ultima Dragon, but I've thought about this a bit. But someone with a genetic defect that would prevent them from being a mostly autonomous member of society probably shouldn't be passing that gene around. It's reckless to do make another life that could never truly succeed on its own in the way that the average adult can.

Also, to the OT, there's probably more instances where the child was groomed into that behavior then not.
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Ultima Dragon
05/27/18 2:46:46 AM
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To everyone quoting me, I really don't have a strong opinion on the issue one way or the other lol. I was just throwing that out there as maybe one of the reasons why.

Generally I think people should do what they want as long as it's not hurting anyone else. It's not really anyone's business what two consenting adults do.
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SpiralDrift
05/27/18 2:47:27 AM
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All sorts of sexual "perversions" are becoming mainstream as people realize they're actually quite common.
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gunplagirl
05/27/18 2:48:34 AM
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CloneTheHero posted...
lol is it just me or us millennials really bringing incest porn mainstream? im so embarrassed.

Most of it's just acting

But when it comes to some of those home-made/ amateur screenshot examples that just popped up when I looked it up on my preferred porn hosting site... Some look like they could be legit. >.>
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Kazi1212
05/27/18 2:52:32 AM
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No reason, just bible thumping tradition, thousands of years ago incest was called wincest
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BillWardsPants
05/27/18 2:54:20 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
All sorts of sexual "perversions" are becoming mainstream as people realize they're actually quite common.

I like how you put perversions in scare quotes.
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LinksLiege
05/27/18 2:56:50 AM
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Ajenla posted...
Also, to the OT, there's probably more instances where the child was groomed into that behavior then not.

I'd hazard it's mostly this. People automatically go to force/coercion/etc. and ignore other possibilities.

It's also one of those things that nobody wants their name attached to with regard to changing the laws for it, even if the laws should be changed.
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LordFarquad1312
05/27/18 2:57:18 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
YoungMutual posted...
Dunno, I think potential offspring can come out weird.

Even in mice (who are generally far more reactive to things like mutations, cancer causing substances, etc. than humans), it takes like 5-6 successive generations of inbreeding to see any notable birth defects or genetic issues in offspring.

Basically, the taboo is the only real reason it's still illegal between two consenting adults.

Actually no. Most negative genetic conditions are stored in recessive alleles. By procreating with your siblings you're just making your offspring more likely to inherit said conditions.

But I mean, technically, for recreative purposes, there's nothing wrong with having sex with your siblings, aside from the social taboo.
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HashtagTartarus
05/27/18 2:58:10 AM
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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with incest (just use birth control, assuming it's heterosexual), but in practice it raises serious issues of consent. For the same reason that it's difficult to say that an adult high school student can consent to to sex with their teacher, it's difficult to say that an adult who hasn't moved out of their parents house yet can consent to sex with their parents. If anti-incest laws were simply repealed without anything to replace them, then I think we'd see a lot more disgusting situations where people are pressured in to having sex with people they depend on in a platonic capacity.

This is also why I'm sort of rethinking my position on a certain gimmick >_>
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gunplagirl
05/27/18 2:59:29 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
YoungMutual posted...
Dunno, I think potential offspring can come out weird.

Even in mice (who are generally far more reactive to things like mutations, cancer causing substances, etc. than humans), it takes like 5-6 successive generations of inbreeding to see any notable birth defects or genetic issues in offspring.

Basically, the taboo is the only real reason it's still illegal between two consenting adults.

Actually no. Most negative genetic conditions are stored in recessive alleles. By procreating with your siblings you're just making your offspring more likely to inherit said conditions.

But I mean, technically, for recreative purposes, there's nothing wrong with having sex with your siblings, aside from the social taboo.


Now that you mention it, they'd probably have only used healthy mice to begin with meaning no recessive genes. So you have a point... Though obviously this could delve into some issues with how people literally advocate to ban reproduction rights to anyone with disorders that can be passed down or predispose their offspring. Hmm.
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blablablax17
05/27/18 3:10:09 AM
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I've read that multiple generations of close relative in-breeding (as in the case of midieval royalty) can make a family line infirtle.

Also, Cleft Palates were common among European and Egyptian royalty.
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LordFarquad1312
05/27/18 3:13:10 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Now that you mention it, they'd probably have only used healthy mice to begin with meaning no recessive genes. So you have a point... Though obviously this could delve into some issues with how people literally advocate to ban reproduction rights to anyone with disorders that can be passed down or predispose their offspring. Hmm.

I think that's entirely dependent on the person. If you have a genetic condition and you choose to have kids with someone who also has the same condition, you are a peice of shit for giving birth and cursing a child with a life of sickness. Obviously, if your partner doesn't have the condition it doesn't necessarily mean they are not able to pass it down, but at least you're not 100% sure the child will be born with it.
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legendarylemur
05/27/18 3:15:14 AM
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I do wonder, if they pretty much vow to never have a baby with each other, maybe adopt at best, just biologically speaking, who's to stop them? It's like kicking a hornet's nest at that point
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Lordgold666
05/27/18 3:21:24 AM
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Nuffinz0rz posted...
Curiosity question

Two people find each other attractive and they're both on board. Why should the government be allowed to tell them they can't have consensual sex?

Stop posting
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SpiralDrift
05/27/18 3:23:57 AM
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The "problem" is if they develop serious feelings for each other it's only human to want to produce offspring together. So although they might go in with the intention of never having children, it could change over time.

But also, we're almost at a point where we could just fix any negative genetic issues through gene therapy anyway. So it won't be a valid argument against it for much longer.
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UnholyMudcrab
05/27/18 3:26:47 AM
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legendarylemur
05/27/18 3:28:30 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
The "problem" is if they develop serious feelings for each other it's only human to want to produce offspring together. So although they might go in with the intention of never having children, it could change over time.

But also, we're almost at a point where we could just fix any negative genetic issues through gene therapy anyway. So it won't be a valid argument against it for much longer.

Certainly Japan and certain parts of America will rejoice if such an advancement was made. And Trump. And Hulk Hogan.
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Nuffinz0rz
05/27/18 10:05:28 PM
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kinda hoped this would blow up more :(
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pikachupwnage
05/27/18 10:16:15 PM
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For starters there is a power dynamic/consent and grooming issue.
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OEIO999
05/27/18 10:18:58 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
lol is it just me or us millennials really bringing incest porn mainstream? im so embarrassed.

Blame game of thrones, no one cared until they brought it to light
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Tyranthraxus
05/27/18 10:20:00 PM
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Offspring isn't the issue. Gay incest is just as illegal.

The issue is people think it's icky for the most part.

But anyway in most cases of incest it ends up sounding more like child abuse than some ridiculous fantasy about banging you hot sister.

People say "what's wrong?" While thinking about the fantasy and not understanding the reality is that it's almost always child abuse in reality.
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AnimeTeddies
05/27/18 10:21:18 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
lol is it just me or us millennials really bringing incest porn mainstream? im so embarrassed.

someone has never heard of taboo
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FortuneCookie
05/27/18 10:24:09 PM
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I don't know. On one hand, I don't think consenting adults should be arrested for sex acts. On the other hand, I feel like bestiality would be the next issue on the chopping block if incest were universally legalized.

I kinda like the idea of just having "havens" of incest like New Jersey. If your sister or your daughter is the only one for you, maybe should should relocate.
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ColdOne666
05/27/18 10:25:19 PM
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SpiralDrift posted...
Ultima Dragon posted...
I guess because it's a healthcare liability if they produce offspring with genetic defects.

Should people with genetic defects not be allowed to reproduce then also?


No way anybody can answer that without the mods going on a ban frenzy.
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KINDERFELD
05/27/18 10:27:38 PM
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Genetic defects are the minor reason but incest is illegal in near everywhere in the world because it affects the stability of the family.
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wdlp
05/27/18 10:28:04 PM
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dude my mom is hot AF
would deffo bang
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Kanaya413
05/27/18 10:31:28 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
I don't know. On one hand, I don't think consenting adults should be arrested for sex acts. On the other hand, I feel like bestiality would be the next issue on the chopping block if incest were universally legalized.

I kinda like the idea of just having "havens" of incest like New Jersey. If your sister or your daughter is the only one for you, maybe should should relocate.

Adult humans can consent but animals can not
Huge difference
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SpiralDrift
05/27/18 10:47:50 PM
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KINDERFELD posted...
Genetic defects are the minor reason but incest is illegal in near everywhere in the world because it affects the stability of the family.

This is probably a better argument but it requires that the society actually values the family unit beyond just giving it lip service.
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HashtagTartarus
05/27/18 10:48:48 PM
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Conflict posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
Ultima Dragon posted...
I guess because it's a healthcare liability if they produce offspring with genetic defects.

Should people with genetic defects not be allowed to reproduce then also?


No because that would fall under the 'eugenics' umbrella. There's no legitimate defense for why two relatives should be able to procreate.


Right, because the genes of incest babies often end up fucked up. We want to pass legislation to prevent them from having bad genes. It's not eugenics, it's just legislation for the sake of good genes.
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inloveanddeath0
05/27/18 10:56:51 PM
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do_ob_tpkillr
05/27/18 11:00:43 PM
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SpiralDrift posted...
All sorts of sexual "perversions" are becoming mainstream as people realize they're actually quite common.


It's the loud minority. What they're really trying to do is falsely normalise depraved, disgusting behaviour. Covertly brainwashing the rest of the population with their warped world views.
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Turbam
05/27/18 11:02:25 PM
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Kanaya413 posted...
FortuneCookie posted...
I don't know. On one hand, I don't think consenting adults should be arrested for sex acts. On the other hand, I feel like bestiality would be the next issue on the chopping block if incest were universally legalized.

I kinda like the idea of just having "havens" of incest like New Jersey. If your sister or your daughter is the only one for you, maybe should should relocate.

Adult humans can consent but animals can not
Huge difference

Actually, some animals can consent.
Female horses are known to be huge sluts towards their riders.

Don't ask why I know that
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Solid Snake07
05/27/18 11:32:52 PM
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protection for the potential offspring
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St0rmFury
05/27/18 11:46:36 PM
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Turbam posted...
Actually, some animals can consent.
Female horses are known to be huge sluts towards their riders.

Don't ask why I know that

Why do you know that?
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VTBM
05/28/18 12:13:47 AM
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I can understand why straight incest can be illegal, but why is same-sex incest between two consenting adults illegal?
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Prestoff
05/28/18 12:20:00 AM
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The only good argument I can see against consensual incest is the power differential in the relationship. Other than that, a lot of the arguments against incest can be applied to homosexual relationships other than eugenics, which I think is a bit of a weak argument to stand on.
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Turbam
05/28/18 5:32:06 AM
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St0rmFury posted...
Turbam posted...
Actually, some animals can consent.
Female horses are known to be huge sluts towards their riders.

Don't ask why I know that

Why do you know that?

Someone posted it and I read it
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