Current Events > I'm guessing people who automatically associate the confederate flag with racism

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have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

Associating the flag with racism is not the same as accusing everyone who flies it to hate black people.
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scar the 1 posted...

Associating the flag with racism is not the same as accusing everyone who flies it to hate black people.

No, but that's definitely the cause.

FairyLeviathan posted...

have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

That's not really proof against it being a symbol of racism
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ive lived in alabama my entire life
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Antifar posted...

FairyLeviathan posted...

have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

That's not really proof against it being a symbol of racism

Of course not, but it's mostly ameliorated throughout the south, so to accuse anyone who bears the symbol of racism is nearsighted.

guess again
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FairyLeviathan posted...

have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

it's called survival

There's a reason why the Confederate flag seems to be a familiar sight at neo-nazi rallies. Don't know why though, maybe TC does.
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Shuto-uke posted...

FairyLeviathan posted...

have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

it's called survival

See this attitude right here is the problem.

I have lived in Atlanta for almost a decade now and I've never seen a black person have a conderate flag. Ive seen it plenty on pick up trucks driven by old white men though.

You cant change history TC, we all know what the civil war was about. If you choose to believe it wasnt about the south fighting to keep slavery then that is poor education on your part.
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Thisll be a fun topic. Bunch of people pretending to know every single person in America that has a confederate flag.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

There's a reason why the Confederate flag seems to be a familiar sight at neo-nazi rallies. Don't know why though, maybe TC does.

Have you ever even met an honest to goodness neo-nazi irl? And by that I'm not just saying anybody who disagrees with you.

Blacks don't fly the fuckin flag (besides a very very very very small subportion) lol
let's be blunt there is a certain subportion of the population that flies that damn flag down here.
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The only person I know that has a confederate flag flies it above his American flag on his flagpole. Of course this is also a person that thinks NFL players taking a knee is disrespectful to the flag, so you know he isn't that bright to begin with.
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Of course this is also a person that thinks NFL players taking a knee is disrespectful to the flag,

This is the majority opinion here anyway

Right, it's about states rights!

Lmao.
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I live in the mid-south? Kentucky, so whatever you consider it. Anyway, many moons ago, when I was in high school, kids would put that flag in the back glass of their low-riders. Low-rider was local slang for S-10 pickup truck. They did it because they thought it looked kewl. It was as innocent as that.

Our high school football/baseball team just happened to be called "The rebels" as well, which also bore that flags symbol lol.
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Arkansas for ... 15, 16 years now?

lol it is an obvious symbol of racism

Dyinglegacy posted...

I live in the mid-south? Kentucky, so whatever you consider it.

not even part of the confederacy smh fall back fake south
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Balrog0 posted...

Arkansas for ... 15, 16 years now?

lol it is an obvious symbol of racism

Dyinglegacy posted...

I live in the mid-south? Kentucky, so whatever you consider it.

not even part of the confederacy smh fall back fake south

But rebels are kewl
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FairyLeviathan posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

FairyLeviathan posted...

have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

it's called survival

See this attitude right here is the problem.

how so?

FairyLeviathan posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

There's a reason why the Confederate flag seems to be a familiar sight at neo-nazi rallies. Don't know why though, maybe TC does.

Have you ever even met an honest to goodness neo-nazi irl? And by that I'm not just saying anybody who disagrees with you.

What does this have to do with the Confederate flag being inextricably linked to neo-nazis?
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Jiggy101011 posted...

I have lived in Atlanta for almost a decade now and I've never seen a black person have a conderate flag. Ive seen it plenty on pick up trucks driven by old white men though.

You cant change history TC, we all know what the civil war was about. If you choose to believe it wasnt about the south fighting to keep slavery then that is poor education on your part.

Thank you Jiggy. I was just about to post "Can we get a second opinion here" on whether the statement of "even black people fly it" is actually true.
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Were_Wyrm posted...

The only person I know that has a confederate flag flies it above his American flag on his flagpole. Of course this is also a person that thinks NFL players taking a knee is disrespectful to the flag, so you know he isn't that bright to begin with.

Can you explain your reasoning here?
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Yea that's what gets me. they hate NFL players for "disrespecting the American flag and AMERICAN Troops"...yet they fully support a flag that represents people that openly were traitorous to America, fought American Troops and wanted to LEAVE America...They even made their own flag because they didn't want to be represented by the American flag...

Why do they love the "history" so much? the history of a group that hated the America they love so much?
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I live here, and when I see that, I see someone explicitly using an icon from a time when I was legally property, to channel a sense of 'southern pride' or a sense of 'the lost golden age (of white supremacy).' They can dance around it all they like. These two things are linked. If a confederate flag is the only way you can show your 'southern pride' then it's linked in your mind too.

By all means, tell me that it's not racist. When onlookers see you caping for that flag, they know where your priorities are.
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I'm honestly fuzzy on when the Second Confederate Navy Jack became "the symbol of the Confederacy". It certainly wasn't during the war. Wikipedia isn't much help here.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Were_Wyrm posted...

The only person I know that has a confederate flag flies it above his American flag on his flagpole. Of course this is also a person that thinks NFL players taking a knee is disrespectful to the flag, so you know he isn't that bright to begin with.

Can you explain your reasoning here?

I might can help with that. The explicit reason the whole kneeling thing happened was in protest of police brutality. It had nothing to do with the flag, and still doesn't, unless you live in the right wing ideasphere, that constantly mischaracterizes the nature of reason behind the protest, while insisting the problem, racial bias in law enforcement and racially disproportionate gun violence against minority suspects, doesn't exist.

This person who insists that these protests are disrespectful to the flag is ignorant. And there's enough information out there (even from the protesting players themselves) to correct his ignorant ass, that the only reason he could still be ignorant is if he wanted to be and avoided anything that might correct him. Willfully ignorant. Therefore, idiot.
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The confederate flag is almost like an antique, that's all. Do you bitch and cry racism when you see people driving restored classic cars or listening to really old music? If not, then why do you complain about people flying an old flag.
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hollow_shrine posted...

By all means, tell me that it's not racist. When onlookers see you caping for that flag, they know where your priorities are.

Lol, and you think these people give 2 shits about the made up scenarios you all spend all day dreaming about.

You guys tell people the American flag is just a flag and who cares, but another flag is holy shit so awful cant even look at it without raging bla bla bla. Makes no sense.

Oh, and the flag is not racist. The scenario you made up might be racism, but no, the flag is in no way racist.
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The people trying so hard to put some darker meaning into something that has become so commonplace is pitiful.

DifferentialEquation posted...

The confederate flag is almost like an antique, that's all. Do you bitch and cry racism when you see people driving restored classic cars or listening to really old music? If not, then why do you complain about people flying an old flag.

What are you doing? It looks like you're equating antiques (cars, furniture, etc.) to the antiquated ideas championed by that flag, a symbol of rebellion from the half of the nation that refused to free their slaves.

An antique never hurt anybody. Those antiquated ideas and the systems that organized themselves around them have body counts in the millions.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Were_Wyrm posted...

The only person I know that has a confederate flag flies it above his American flag on his flagpole. Of course this is also a person that thinks NFL players taking a knee is disrespectful to the flag, so you know he isn't that bright to begin with.

Can you explain your reasoning here?

Well for one when ever you have multiple flags on a flag pole the US flag should always be at the top, but he has his confederate flag at the top and his US flag beneath it. Which is not only illegal but one of the most disrespectful things you can do, all the while he bitches about NFL players disrespecting the flag.
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The Confederate flag represents a group of people who literally were willing to die and murder other Americans to keep my ancestors as property. Fuck anyone who flies that flag and tries to argue 'southern pride'

Shit like that is why the south has the reputation it does
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FairyLeviathan posted...

The people trying so hard to put some darker meaning into something that has become so commonplace is pitiful.

Why do you think it became commonplace? There was a time when it wasn't.
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hollow_shrine posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

The confederate flag is almost like an antique, that's all. Do you bitch and cry racism when you see people driving restored classic cars or listening to really old music? If not, then why do you complain about people flying an old flag.

What are you doing? It looks like you're equating antiques (cars, furniture, etc.) to the antiquated ideas championed by that flag, a symbol of rebellion from the half of the nation that refused to free their slaves.

An antique never hurt anybody. Those antiquated ideas and the systems that organized themselves around them have body counts in the millions.

A lot of the old cars and music are from the era when segregation still existed.
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Was born in Tennessee, moved to Alabama when I was 6 and lived here ever since.

Try again, friend.
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The Confederate flag represents a group of people who literally were willing to die and murder other Americans to keep my ancestors as property.

This is also super nearsighted in the sense that even Robert E. Lee only fought for the confederacy because he couldn't fight his own family.

Asherlee10 posted...

I've lived in Texas for most of my life and went to college at Ole Miss. Every person I ever knew or met with that flag were outwardly racist to a degree.

Ive lived in Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia and I dont think a single person Ive ever met with that flag has been any bit of a racist.
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FairyLeviathan posted...

have never actually ventured very far into the south.

It's flying in like every other yard, even those belonging to blacks families.

No it not. I am live in the South and most black people don't wave the CSA flag.
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Even conservapedia says the civil war was fought over slavery:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Slavery

The most famous instance of slavery was in the American South until it was forcibly ended during the American Civil War (186165) the only major war in world history fought over slavery.

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hollow_shrine posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

The confederate flag is almost like an antique, that's all. Do you bitch and cry racism when you see people driving restored classic cars or listening to really old music? If not, then why do you complain about people flying an old flag.

What are you doing? It looks like you're equating antiques (cars, furniture, etc.) to the antiquated ideas championed by that flag, a symbol of rebellion from the half of the nation that refused to free their slaves.

An antique never hurt anybody. Those antiquated ideas and the systems that organized themselves around them have body counts in the millions.

...I can't tell if you're trying to say that the flag hurt people, or that it is an idea rather than literally just a piece of cloth. Either way your own post kind of contradicts itself.

FrisbeeDude posted...

The Confederate flag represents a group of people who literally were willing to die and murder other Americans to keep my ancestors as property. Fuck anyone who flies that flag and tries to argue 'southern pride'

Shit like that is why the south has the reputation it does

Look at how the n-word has been used in our country's history, yet some people today use it as term of endearment or just as a casual greeting.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

flag is in no way racist.

The flag is inanimate matter. Of course inanimate matter can't be racist.

The decision to fly that flag in spite of all it's baggage though, that might be a racist act. Given context, it is a racially insensitive act. At the very least, the person who willfully commits that act, can't really object to others interpreting that decision as racist, because we all know what's up. We know how a confederate flag will be interpreted and we want nothing to do with that. It's very important to the rest us that we not be outwardly perceived as racist.

History and context are a thing. This isn't even the only symbol that's been soiled by it's history. Similar examples are littered across the twentieth century. You'd have an easier time culturally reclaiming one of those, tbh.
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FairyLeviathan posted...

The Confederate flag represents a group of people who literally were willing to die and murder other Americans to keep my ancestors as property.

This is also super nearsighted in the sense that even Robert E. Lee only fought for the confederacy because he couldn't fight his own family.

So are you saying that no one who fought for the confederacy did so because they wanted to? they just had no choice? Citing "Robert E Lee just did it because of his family" doesn't change a thing about the post you quoted. Its hilarious to me that the group of people who constantly say "IF YOU DON'T LOVE AMERICA THEN GET OUT" so heavily praise a group of individuals who literally took that advice, and attempted to get out because they didn't like America...but for some reason they're treated as heroes to you guys.
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By the way, I never even hear it called the "Confederate Flag" here, just "the rebel flag", and I didn't even know about it's connotations with slavery until elementary school.

So are you saying that no one who fought for the confederacy did so because they wanted to? they just had no choice?

No, I was just making the point that not everyone who fought for the confederacy was a half crazed white supremacist.

Asherlee10 posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I've lived in Texas for most of my life and went to college at Ole Miss. Every person I ever knew or met with that flag were outwardly racist to a degree.

Ive lived in Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia and I dont think a single person Ive ever met with that flag has been any bit of a racist.

I have suspicions. I either:

a) don't believe you
b) don't think you can identify racist beliefs or behaviors

Look at who you're quoting.
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