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hollow_shrine 05/30/18 11:05:55 AM #101: |
EverDownward posted...
it's always fun when people from outside my territory try to tell me what our symbols mean. Outside, your territory? We got people from Flordia, Georgia, Texas, and Oklahoma in here explaining that historical context is a thing, black people don't fuck with the flag, and TLDR: that the flag ain't shit. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/30/18 11:07:27 AM #102: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
The flags have been there for decades, but the sentiment hasn't. People see the symbol, but they don't feel any prejudice with it, it's just there. So when some political activists try to make a statement by reassociating it with feelings that aren't there anymore and then want to remove something that has been there for decades, of course there's going to be some resistance. It's like when some out of town development agency cuts down a century old tree in a neighborhood to build a billboard. If a hypothetical person felt no sentiment to the ideals of the flag, then why would they fly it? Why is it afforded a place of honor? --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 11:18:10 AM #103: |
Because with its widespread use it's become more of a nostalgic symbol of the south in general based just off of seeing it, you are super nearsighted if you think anything more of it.
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:20:50 AM #104: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
The Confederate flag represents a group of people who literally were willing to die and murder other Americans to keep my ancestors as property. So he chose family over freeing a race of people from slavery...and that's supposed to mean something? Lmao fuck outta here --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 11:22:00 AM #105: |
FrisbeeDude posted...
So he chose family over freeing a race of people from slavery...and that's supposed to mean something? Lmao fuck outta here Imagine being this fucking dense ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:22:21 AM #106: |
MacadamianNut3 posted...
EverDownward posted...it's always fun when people from outside my territory try to tell me what our symbols mean. Got em --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:23:11 AM #107: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...So he chose family over freeing a race of people from slavery...and that's supposed to mean something? Lmao fuck outta here Imagine trying to defend a man who murdered other Americans to preserve a rebellion that wanted to keep my people as property --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 05/30/18 11:24:05 AM #108: |
Asherlee10 posted...
eston posted...I've lived in the South my entire life and I always assume that people who are comfortable flying that flag are at least a little racist. Because we don't live in a bubble, and people know the implications of it. What about people from the south who just love the food, country music, fishing and hunting, etc. and just fly the flag becasue to them that's what it represents? --- There's no business to be taxed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FursonaNonGrata 05/30/18 11:24:51 AM #109: |
DifferentialEquation posted...
hollow_shrine posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Symbols can have multiple meanings, or their meanings can change. If we're all willing to work at it, like that guy did, then why can't the confederate flag change and become a symbol of comradery and racial harmony? Those people are stupid. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 11:26:49 AM #110: |
Get that edgelord shit out of here frisbee
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CyricZ 05/30/18 11:26:55 AM #111: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
Because with its widespread use it's become more of a nostalgic symbol of the south in general based just off of seeing it I'd need some more evidence than you and Gators that this is the case. Every other Southern person in this topic has claimed otherwise. FairyLeviathan posted... you are super nearsighted if you think anything more of it. Ironic statement, because you seem to be the one trying to prevent people from seeing beyond 100 years in the past. You're not the one who gets to say "ignore this part of the symbol's history, people use it differently now". That's decided by the zeitgeist. There's a reason we can't co-opt a black swastika on a white circle set against a red field and say "it means something different now". --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:32:13 AM #112: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
Get that edgelord shit out of here frisbee Did Lee not fight for the Confederacy? Was the Confederacy not fighting to keep black people as property? Lmao take a seat --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 11:35:15 AM #113: |
stfu
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FursonaNonGrata 05/30/18 11:39:11 AM #114: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
stfu Lmao cant handle historical facts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 11:41:06 AM #115: |
It's not the facts, it's his warped black and white view on the subject.
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:42:38 AM #116: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
It's not the facts, it's his warped black and white view on the subject. What have I posted in this topic that wasnt factual --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FursonaNonGrata 05/30/18 11:43:25 AM #117: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
It's not the facts, it's his warped black and white view on the subject. You are legitimately delusional if you truly believe what you just posted. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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treewojima 05/30/18 11:46:47 AM #118: |
just stop arguing with him
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TheUsualSuspect 05/30/18 11:49:15 AM #119: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
It's not the facts, it's his warped black and white view on the subject. FrisbeeDude posted... Did Lee not fight for the Confederacy? Was the Confederacy not fighting to keep black people as property? These are both completely accurate --- Bravo Whiskey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DezDroppedFreak 05/30/18 11:50:43 AM #120: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
have never actually ventured very far into the south. I live in the south The people that I know that actually fly it have some questionable beliefs to put it lightly --- DezCaughtIt AKA freakofnature30 Brockhampton makes me saturate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:51:31 AM #122: |
"The guy who lead the army of a country that fought to keep black people as slaves was just fighting for his family!"
Lmfao --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 05/30/18 11:52:29 AM #123: |
The Confederate flag had almost gained a new ironic meaning but racists have reclaimed it.
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 11:54:07 AM #124: |
FrisbeeDude posted...
"The guy who lead the army of a country that fought to keep black people as slaves was just fighting for his family!" You seem incredibly salty about people having higher priorities that don't profit you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YoungMutual 05/30/18 11:54:43 AM #125: |
It's like defending waving the Nazi flag/symbol lmao
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MacadamianNut3 05/30/18 11:54:55 AM #126: |
JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
A former confederate soldier, who is black (if Inknew his country of origin I'd mention it), routinely dresses up in full uniform with a confederate flag in Asheville, NC. YouTube it for plenty of interviews and sighting footage. Are you mocking someone right now because otherwise this comes across as gibberish for multiple reasons --- Roll Tide & Go Irish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheUsualSuspect 05/30/18 11:57:17 AM #127: |
JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
A former confederate soldier --- Bravo Whiskey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 11:59:35 AM #128: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
FrisbeeDude posted..."The guy who lead the army of a country that fought to keep black people as slaves was just fighting for his family!" Oh, I understand he chose his family over the overwhelmingly better choice he could've made to not lead an army that fought to preserve the "right" to keep my ancestors as property. Hes simply a fucking scumbag for it, just like any nazi general from WW2. Theres no justification for fighting to enslave or fighting for genocide --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chill02 05/30/18 12:00:58 PM #129: |
there's no reason for me to see a Confederate flag all the way in the Pacific Northwest
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 12:01:32 PM #130: |
FrisbeeDude posted...
overwhelmingly better choice For you. It's not a fucking black and white issue. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Barenziah Boy Toy 05/30/18 12:02:07 PM #131: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
have never actually ventured very far into the south. Racial ignorance, then. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/30/18 12:02:52 PM #132: |
JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
A former confederate soldier, who is black (if Inknew his country of origin I'd mention it), routinely dresses up in full uniform with a confederate flag in Asheville, NC. YouTube it for plenty of interviews and sighting footage. *looks him up* His country of origin is the US. He was born in NC. He's not a "former confederate soldier" (I have no idea what you even meant by that) nor does it seem that he has ever served in the military. I mean, congratulations at finding a black person who flies the Confederate flag, but A) one example is not any evidence of a trend and B) boy this guy. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheUsualSuspect 05/30/18 12:04:01 PM #133: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...overwhelmingly better choice You really think slavery isn't a black and white issue? --- Bravo Whiskey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/30/18 12:05:51 PM #134: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
For you. It's not a fucking black and white issue. ... Too easy. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Taharqa_ 05/30/18 12:06:48 PM #135: |
Been black for 33 years and I live in the south, never seen any black person have Confederate memorabilia or flags.
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TES_Nut 05/30/18 12:11:50 PM #136: |
This is why amnesty after the war was a bad idea. Should have hung every last man woman and child and repopulated the area with loyal citizens.
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TheCyborgNinja 05/30/18 12:12:04 PM #137: |
That flag is common in Canada too, at least out west. It's just a redneck symbol, nothing more. Rural Canada is culturally similar with all the outdoorsy stuff and English/Scottish heritage, though it's a different accent.
(I find the volume of Canadians that say "abote" or "aboot" and deny it to be amusing.) --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/30/18 12:16:18 PM #138: |
TheCyborgNinja posted...
That flag is common in Canada too, at least out west. It's just a redneck symbol, nothing more. Rural Canada is culturally similar with all the outdoorsy stuff and English/Scottish heritage, though it's a different accent. Just out of curiosity, have you ever spoken to any of these people? Do they identify themselves as American or Canadian? --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 05/30/18 12:17:31 PM #139: |
CyricZ posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...That flag is common in Canada too, at least out west. It's just a redneck symbol, nothing more. Rural Canada is culturally similar with all the outdoorsy stuff and English/Scottish heritage, though it's a different accent. Canadian. They tend to have maple leaf stuff everywhere too. I don't know any of them, but I see them a lot. It's basically viewed as "the redneck symbol" so people in the country will slap it on their car/truck, have belt buckles, etc. Nobody flies them in their yard though. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/30/18 12:19:08 PM #140: |
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Canadian. They tend to have maple leaf stuff everywhere too. I don't know any of them, but I see them a lot. Huh. Seems to me like an appropriation for the purpose of solidarity in conservatism. I'm aware that there's a section of Canada with aligning views that have been kinda bubbling ever since the W administration. Of course, I'm sure these folks don't "get it", either, but it happens. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoubleDare 05/30/18 12:23:36 PM #141: |
They would just make a new flag or something that just means the south lol
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 12:29:06 PM #142: |
TheUsualSuspect posted...
FairyLeviathan posted...FrisbeeDude posted...overwhelmingly better choice This is the strawman to end all strawmen! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TES_Nut 05/30/18 12:31:30 PM #143: |
DoubleDare posted...
They would just make a new flag or something that just means the south look Like the one from South Park with the black stick figure being hung by a bunch of white ones probably. --- The ending of the word is ALMSIVI ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheUsualSuspect 05/30/18 12:33:22 PM #144: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
TheUsualSuspect posted...FairyLeviathan posted...FrisbeeDude posted...overwhelmingly better choice How so? Slavery was exactly what that poster was referring to that you said wasn't a black and white issue --- Bravo Whiskey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 05/30/18 12:37:52 PM #145: |
FairyLeviathan posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...overwhelmingly better choice For me and those who dont think its a moral right to own other human beings --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheUsualSuspect 05/30/18 12:43:21 PM #146: |
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 12:43:31 PM #147: |
TheUsualSuspect posted...
FairyLeviathan posted...TheUsualSuspect posted...FairyLeviathan posted...FrisbeeDude posted...overwhelmingly better choice No, it was Robert E Lee's decision to protect his family. Nice selective reading skills though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 05/30/18 12:45:21 PM #148: |
FrisbeeDude posted...
FairyLeviathan posted...FrisbeeDude posted...overwhelmingly better choice By your logic murdering everyone in the country would have been justified if it ended slavery. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkAndEpona 05/30/18 12:57:38 PM #149: |
EverDownward posted...
it's always fun when people from outside my territory try to tell me what our symbols mean. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RadAlexzaster 05/30/18 12:58:08 PM #150: |
Well there isn't a flag in every other yard
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