Poll of the Day > Anime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic LXXXIII

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Attack on Titan is back

I don't like how they changed so dramatically. It feels like they skipped over a lot and we're starting in the middle of another arc.

the last we saw was Eren was able to command Titans and it was alluded there was some sort of conspiracy within the government. Now the government has assassins hunting them down as if they discovered anything in the conspiracy. They were on the front lines this whole time. They didn't investigate the government at all. And they were already on a different story about the origins of Titans being made of people.
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They apparently are adapting this arc at a much faster pace because everyone hated it in the manga.
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I have not made it to Season 3 as of yet, but this sounds like what happens when a manga becomes a lot more popular than its creator ever expected, and (s)he has to keep coming up with new material long after (s)he wanted the manga to originally end.

Meanwhile: Well, the missus has discovered what doujinshi are, much to my amusement. (She likes the ones she has found for FGO and Persona 5.)
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Oh snap..

I was looking at this manga called Un-Magical Girl recently, where a magical girl from some anime showed up in the real world and had trouble adjusting. There was one point where she went to Akiba and found out about doujinshi, and was subsequently depressed for the next few days.
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I've been rewatching UQ Holder since it's on Amazon video. It's making me want to reread Negima and reread and continue reading UQ Holder.
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Oh snap again. I just found out one of my favorite manga, Domestic na Kanojo, is getting an anime. I mentioned it before; boy loves his teacher but is friendzoned, he goes to a mixer to try to get over her, meets a girl who asks him to have sex with her out of pure curiosity. Then later his father suddenly announces he's getting remarried, and he's now step siblings with the girl he slept with - and his teacher.

On one hand I'm ecstatic, but on the other I have concerns. With the way things are going lately, it's likely to be only one season, which is nowhere near enough time to do the series justice. It's not just about the romance; there's a great deal of slice of life and coming of age. It's got a very rich cast of side characters, and plenty of character development all around in many different areas (it actually goes pretty in depth about the MC's aspiration to be a writer).

It's a really really good series, and cutting it down and packing it into one season is just taking a giant steaming dump on it.
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Yeah...I'd be prepared to be disappointed if that was a manga I was reading...Hope it's good though! I know I've seen anime of manga I've read and rarely do they give the manga justice.
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Can't wait for the Promised Neverland anime.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Yeah...I'd be prepared to be disappointed if that was a manga I was reading...Hope it's good though! I know I've seen anime of manga I've read and rarely do they give the manga justice.

Man, why do it gotta be like this? Why can't a company be in it for the art and try to do right by a story instead of going for the easy 1-season cash in?

Metalsonic66 posted...

Can't wait for the Promised Neverland anime.

Oh snap x3. I didn't even know it was announced.
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Still just watching Parks and Rec and waiting for this anime season to end, so I can watch s3 for Hero Academia and other things. Been butthurt at my draw luck in Granblue, so I'm barely even playing it right now as well.
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keyblader1985 posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Yeah...I'd be prepared to be disappointed if that was a manga I was reading...Hope it's good though! I know I've seen anime of manga I've read and rarely do they give the manga justice.

Man, why do it gotta be like this? Why can't a company be in it for the art and try to do right by a story instead of going for the easy 1-season cash in?

Well, they kinda are in it for the art. The anime is supposed to make you want to go and pick up the manga.
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I thought about it that way. It's possible, but not particularly likely that so many studios would agree to neuter their work just in an effort to bring more attention to the source material. If they think it's good enough for an anime adaptation, then with enough effort a faithful adaptation could be wildly successful.
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keyblader1985 posted...

then with enough effort a faithful adaptation could be wildly successful.

Yes, but if people have an anime that's as good as the manga, that would make it so less people would read the manga. Thus giving the mangaka less money. But even though I say that, it's just an assumption since I don't know what the pay ratio is for a mangaka when their work gets an anime. But if they got a good portion of it, then there probably would be more better anime.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Yes, but if people have an anime that's as good as the manga, that would make it so less people would read the manga. Thus giving the mangaka less money. But even though I say that, it's just an assumption since I don't know what the pay ratio is for a mangaka when their work gets an anime. But if they got a good portion of it, then there probably would be more better anime.

Not a manga but thats what supposedly happened with KonoSuba. Apparently your anime being too successful is also not ok.
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Are there any isekai rpgs?
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dragon504 posted...

Are there any isekai rpgs?

You know, now that I think of it, I don't think the current model of isekai wouldn't actually be a good base for a game, even though nearly all of them use "game mechanics."

I mean, isn't one of the big draws of the isekai genre, the fact that they're using "game mechanics" like status screens and leveling up, in a non-game world?

An isekai game would be just a basic fantasy game.

Although, if you use the literal term of isekai , which is "another world", then there would be a couple of games that qualify.

The Final Fantasy Tactics Advance games are a major example. So would Final Fantasy X. Star Ocean 2 as well. And if you count travelling through time as "another world" then games that have that would count as well.
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T0ffee posted...

dragon504 posted...

Are there any isekai rpgs?

You know, now that I think of it, I don't think the current model of isekai wouldn't actually be a good base for a game, even though nearly all of them use "game mechanics."

I mean, isn't one of the big draws of the isekai genre, the fact that they're using "game mechanics" like status screens and leveling up, in a non-game world?

An isekai game would be just a basic fantasy game.

Although, if you use the literal term of isekai , which is "another world", then there would be a couple of games that qualify.

The Final Fantasy Tactics Advance games are a major example. So would Final Fantasy X. Star Ocean 2 as well. And if you count travelling through time as "another world" then games that have that would count as well.

Think it could be a fun beginning for a game. You start off in your home town doing normal things, get summoned to a fantasy world and go from there. Maybe have it on subsequent playthroughs that you can get different home world items to use in the new world.
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I think FFX was another time
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dragon504 posted...

Are there any isekai rpgs?

Hmm. Technically ... every mobage ever, I think. Hell, the Summoner from FEH mentions being from a world that has cars and stuff.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

keyblader1985 posted...

then with enough effort a faithful adaptation could be wildly successful.

Yes, but if people have an anime that's as good as the manga, that would make it so less people would read the manga. Thus giving the mangaka less money. But even though I say that, it's just an assumption since I don't know what the pay ratio is for a mangaka when their work gets an anime. But if they got a good portion of it, then there probably would be more better anime.

idk, you have to figure that some people will only learn about the series from the anime and then go back to read the manga. Plus you have people who only watch anime and never read manga anyway. In general, if I'm watching an anime, they *might* get a fraction of a cent in royalties off streaming. However, if I read a manga, it's pretty much guaranteed I'm either using a pirated site or buying used (because I found it cheap) so they aren't getting a cent. (Closest I've come to legit-paying for new manga is Junji Ito's stuff.)

As for what they get from an anime, I would assume they get an upfront sum and then royalties. However, the royalties are probably less than what they get from the manga, unless the publisher gets most of that money.
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Zeus posted...

idk, you have to figure that some people will only learn about the series from the anime and then go back to read the manga.

I don't have numbers, but I bet more people wouldn't read the manga simply because they don't need to since there's an anime of it and they can just watch it anyways. That would happen even more if an anime actually followed a manga faithfully and didn't deviate from the story that the manga tells, which is something anime does far too often.

Zeus posted...

In general, if I'm watching an anime, they *might* get a fraction of a cent in royalties off streaming. However, if I read a manga, it's pretty much guaranteed I'm either using a pirated site or buying used (because I found it cheap) so they aren't getting a cent. (Closest I've come to legit-paying for new manga is Junji Ito's stuff.)

I'm sure there's more than enough people that watch anime not from sites that the mangaka gets money from.

Zeus posted...

As for what they get from an anime, I would assume they get an upfront sum and then royalties. However, the royalties are probably less than what they get from the manga, unless the publisher gets most of that money.

Dunno, but I feel that if the process was fair in that department then anime would be more likely to get the rights to make anime from manga. I mean, for all I know, they give the mangaka like a couple thousand bucks (however much yen that is) then get all the profits from whatever the anime makes.
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As far as anime advertising light novels and manga goes, I can see the issue. Streaming anime is cheap. Buying manga is not, especially in the U.S. (One volume of manga costs more than a whole month of a streaming service, e.g. Crunchyroll.)
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

I don't have numbers, but I bet more people wouldn't read the manga simply because they don't need to since there's an anime of it and they can just watch it anyways. That would happen even more if an anime actually followed a manga faithfully and didn't deviate from the story that the manga tells, which is something anime does far too often.

I find that kinda unlikely, but who knows.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

I'm sure there's more than enough people that watch anime not from sites that the mangaka gets money from.

But do you think that the piracy rate is higher among anime or manga?

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Dunno, but I feel that if the process was fair in that department then anime would be more likely to get the rights to make anime from manga. I mean, for all I know, they give the mangaka like a couple thousand bucks (however much yen that is) then get all the profits from whatever the anime makes.

I kinda wonder how profitable a lot of anime is at all considering the expense and that a lot of the series don't really get that huge. Regardless, though, the mangaka likely picks up royalties on merch so any added exposure opens up that revenue stream as well.

Plus, keep in mind that getting an anime helps a mangaka's overall exposure (potentially attracting readers to their other works) and lends them additional credibility when trying to do other things. Unless the anime is completely awful, it seems like there are countless advantages to having one otherwise mangaka likely wouldn't agree to it in the first place. And, if the anime comes after the manga concludes, the largest sales period has kinda concluded.

And don't you also have the issue of magazines? If a mangaka's work is appearing in a magazine first, wouldn't that do more to discourage people from buying manga volumes than an anime? After all, readers already have the manga in one form. Plus magazines likely pay less than individual volumes. (Although, again, it also helps the mangaka build an audience and increases their exposure.)
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Yeah but that just means theres an incentive to make an anime, not to keep making the anime. Once it's already gotten the anime popularity boost thats generally as popular as its gonna get whether or not you make more seasons of the anime. Thats why we get so many unfinished anime. Their job has been accomplished and they are no longer needed. Continuing from the point of anime success is where it gets iffy and the mangaka might actually lose money. A read the manga ending is intended to accomplish literally that and it usually works on enough people to be worth it sadly.
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My speculation for Attack on Titan:Titans are homunculus. Faust made a deal with Mephisto and became the first one.

There are 2 Titan groups. They hate eachother for whatever reason. One group has established the city and uses it as fortress. That is why there are titans inside the wall. They are a last line of defense in case enemy titans break through.
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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Yeah but that just means theres an incentive to make an anime, not to keep making the anime. Once it's already gotten the anime popularity boost thats generally as popular as its gonna get whether or not you make more seasons of the anime. Thats why we get so many unfinished anime. Their job has been accomplished and they are no longer needed. Continuing from the point of anime success is where it gets iffy and the mangaka might actually lose money. A read the manga ending is intended to accomplish literally that and it usually works on enough people to be worth it sadly.

Eh, a large number of shows don't make it past their first season (including many that annoyingly end on a cliffhanger) and many others don't get real conclusion due to cancellation. I just kinda expect that anime is likely the same rather than anything intentional at work. It's an interesting strategy, though. (And, in the west, certain tv shows -- Buffy, Angel, Smallville, etc -- have continued as comics.)
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so i've been reading a new manga called hero? i quit a long time ago

and it's pretty much just one punch man
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Man; MHA is just full of best grills.
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Pink grill is best grill
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The reveal at :32 is diabolical.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Pink grill is best grill

Tsuyu is best girl, ochako is good as well though

Decided to do a rewatch of FMA Brotherhood. I'm up to s5 of Parks and Rec, but episodic stuff is hard to watch eps back to back to back.
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dragon504 posted...

Decided to do a rewatch of FMA Brotherhood.

I did this recently with both the original and Brotherhood. Good stuff!
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anime tittays are in background

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My speculation on My Hero Academia: Deku's dad is Endeavor. In the beginning Deku's mother mentioned his father could breathe fire. His father is not shown yet.
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dragon504 posted...

Tsuyu is best girl, ochako is good as well though

Ashido and Hatsume are my favorites, but TBH most girls are great. The artist draws females pretty well.
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So I decided to check on the Endless Frontier EXCEED translation progress, and good news everybody (who was interested), there's been a major update!

quote from ValkyrieXY on gbatemp.net...

Hello everyone !

Our project has finally reached its first anniversary ! :lol:
So, Happy Birthday ! :toot:
Congrats to all the members of our team for their awesome work !
And thank you to you guys who are supporting us !

This is the perfect timing for a little update !
In one year, a lot has been done !
Our current progression is as follows :

- The entire script of the story is now translated !
- Menus (Items, Attacks, Skills, etc) : 100% translated.
- Tutorial : 66%.
- Ending Credits : 0%.
BUT keep in mind the two points below :
:!: The translated script needs to be reviewed/checked/proofread twice.
:!: We also need to do some beta-test before we publish the patch.
So, please be patient !

This was posted around June 5, so hopefully, it'll be done within this year.
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dragon504 posted...

I'm up to s5 of Parks and Rec, but episodic stuff is hard to watch eps back to back to back.

How so?
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Zeus posted...

dragon504 posted...

I'm up to s5 of Parks and Rec, but episodic stuff is hard to watch eps back to back to back.

How so?

There's no story to hook you in, as most episodes can be watched standalone, whereas something with a good story will have you wanting to keep going to further the plot and see new developments.
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I seem to have Azur Lane on my phone now, but I am trying not to let that distract me while I work at getting a permanent Summer Eina from Memoria Freese.
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I_Abibde posted...

I seem to have Azur Lane on my phone now, but I am trying not to let that distract me while I work at getting a permanent Summer Eina from Memoria Freese.

mobage?

I'm still playing Granblue Fantasy. I had been butthurt at my draw luck and thought I was gonna quit, but, I've decided not to for now.
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dragon504 posted...

mobage?

Azur Lane? Yes. Think Kancolle, but as a side-scrolling shooter with mild bullet hell elements, a marriage mechanic, and no permadeath. (You also get to play as the Allies instead of the Japanese, which eliminates a little of the awkwardness.) The shipgirls are cute, but, unfortunately, my phone cannot run the game at full speed, so I get hit a lot. I had to uninstall it after giving it a try.
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dragon504 posted...

Zeus posted...

dragon504 posted...

I'm up to s5 of Parks and Rec, but episodic stuff is hard to watch eps back to back to back.

How so?

There's no story to hook you in, as most episodes can be watched standalone, whereas something with a good story will have you wanting to keep going to further the plot and see new developments.

P&R *has* a running story, though, even if the episodes are also self-contained. Each season is usually built around a few major plot points and many of the episodes advance that central plot. Plus you have things like the romance subplots. I've routinely binged more episodic stuff, whether it's episodic anime (like Saiki K), cartoons, live-action, etc.

Granted, you very rarely seem to have 100% self-contained episodic content any more. Nowadays everything seems to be episodic with either a running story (usually with a new conflict each season) or some form of continuity.
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made a run of watching the second half of nanatsu no taizai s2 the other day. studio rushed the plot way too much, so many anticlimactic battles in liones. okay overall but not as good as S1.
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Oh, I'm back to watching Naruto. Started the Sasuke Retrieval arc, which is better than I remembered. Of the early arcs, I had only really remembered the Chunin Exams and the later parts of the recruiting Tsunade mission as being any good (well, that and Shikamaru v Tayuya but pretty much all of Shikamaru's fights are good anyway)
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Sasuke retrieval? Is that when he decides to go to Orochimaru? I think it is since you didn't say Shippuuden.

My favorite fight is Neji vs Kidomaru.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Sasuke retrieval? Is that when he decides to go to Orochimaru? I think it is since you didn't say Shippuuden.

It's called Sasuke Retrieval or Sasuke Recovery, but yeah, it's when the Sound Four recruit him and a team led by Shikamaru is sound to bring him back.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

My favorite fight is Neji vs Kidomaru.

Kidomaru is cool, but I find most Neji fights a little dull.
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Neji is one of my favorite characters so his fights are never dull for me.

Also, I don't think you need to worry about Naruto spoilers.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Neji is one of my favorite characters so his fights are never dull for me.

I like the character, just not his one-on-one fights.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Also, I don't think you need to worry about Naruto spoilers.

We're on a site where you can still get modded for absurdly well-known Star Wars twists >_> Plus there are possibly some people who haven't seen it.
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In a short time I've seen three different manga feature some of my favorite songs. It's gonna be hard now to listen to them without thinking of those series/scenes.
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I don't get these fucking Naruto flashbacks. It talks about Choji and Shikamaru meeting for the first time but it makes no sense because presumably that wasn't the first game that either of them had played and, more importantly, how the fuck would they *not* have met before then when all of their dads were good friends and former teammates? Hell, a *lot* of the kids should have met at some point.

And given that Choji and Shikamaru's dads were both prominent ninja, you'd kinda think that the other kids (some of whom were probably the ninja world version of muggles) would treat them with more respect.

Also, presumably because I've seen the show, I can kinda only watch so many episodes at a time. And, in general, I really like the Sound Four. However, when I first watched the show, I didn't realize that they had all been killed during their fights. Probably because they're shown looking unconscious. And, in general, for a show about ninja and ninja battles, it doesn't seem like that many characters ever seem to die.
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