Poll of the Day > Miss America Ends Swimsuit Competition, to Evolve in 'This Cultural Revoluti

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/business/miss-america-swimsuit.html
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i never cared about any sort of beauty pageant for any reason, and since the internet is full of hot babes i dont need it.

like why would i watch the college softball world series to see a great ass, i can find thousands in seconds online.

They're going the wrong way. Rather than get rid of the swimsuit competition, they should just have a Mr. America with a banana hammock competition as well.

Let's see how long the competition lasts with guys tuning in to perv at some "female empowerment and gender equality"...
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I love a good cultural ravioli
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Footage of the judges from Miss America 2018:


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Maybe they could replace it with a real physical fitness test, like running an obstacle course or something? The girls could have a choice of one of several events.

It's about time they based that competition on things that really mattered.
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OmegaM posted...

Maybe they could replace it with a real physical fitness test, like running an obstacle course or something? The girls could have a choice of one of several events.

HOW DARE YOU give the image that being fit and healthy is a good thing and needs to be encouraged?

Being fit and healthy is a tool of the patriarchy or whatever bullshit the feminists try to convince themselves of.
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EightySeven posted...

They're going the wrong way. Rather than get rid of the swimsuit competition, they should just have a Mr. America with a banana hammock competition as well.

I would be fine with that as long as someone there to measure their dicks, both erect and flaccid.

Also they should have a "hairiest asshole" competition.
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OmegaM posted...

Maybe they could replace it with a real physical fitness test, like running an obstacle course or something? The girls could have a choice of one of several events.

this isn't the Olympics and i don't really think this should be some "whose the strongest and fastest woman alive" contest
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gguirao posted...

It's about time they based that competition on things that really mattered.

Appearance matters, don't hot shame.
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gguirao posted...

It's about time they based that competition on things that really mattered.

The only thing that should matter in a beauty pageant is beauty.
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EightySeven posted...

They're going the wrong way. Rather than get rid of the swimsuit competition, they should just have a Mr. America with a banana hammock competition as well.

I think this would be the best idea, keep the swimsuit competition for this one definitely.
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NightMareBunny posted...

OmegaM posted...

Maybe they could replace it with a real physical fitness test, like running an obstacle course or something? The girls could have a choice of one of several events.

this isn't the Olympics and i don't really think this should be some "whose the strongest and fastest woman alive" contest

It shouldn't count for more than the swimsuit portion did, but the Miss America people did use to say that the swimsuit competition was to measure "physical fitness". Maybe that's a back-fit, but ...

With boobs on the internet, probably the only viewership they're getting is women. That's probably why they're doing this.
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I never really understood who the audience for these things was to begin with. Obviously the swimsuit portion is geared towards men but the questions and stuff seemed more meant for women. Either way, it's all super fucking boring to me. I'm not against this change at all but I don't see it changing how vapid and self-important these dumb pageants are.

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Or that the pageant is irrelevant and removing the swimsuit competition killed any remote chance of ever being relevant ever again.
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Hop103 posted...

Or that the pageant is irrelevant and removing the swimsuit competition killed any remote chance of ever being relevant ever again.

I can see this being like Playboy removing nudity.

They try it for a year, realize "Oh shit, this was a horrible idea" and bring it back.
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If you want swimsuits, there's still Miss USA. I'm fine with Miss America differentiating itself more from Miss USA. It seems like it's been wanting to present itself as the more empowering option to Miss USA for years, so this seems like a natural extension of that.
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VeeVees posted...

gguirao posted...

It's about time they based that competition on things that really mattered.

The only thing that should matter in a beauty pageant is beauty.

and beauty pageants don't matter, to be honest.

If they want to turn this pageant into something else, good for them.

I think there viewership will be different, and will possibly go down, but they are within their rights to try something new if they believe that women should be about more than beauty. I personally think that's a great thing.

What's the difference between America and USA?
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they had a weird taste in women at that contest. every year the winners seem to look like aliens. too much plastic surgery for my taste

isn't that the only reason people watched it
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they could have thicker women
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OmegaM posted...

Maybe they could replace it with a real physical fitness test, like running an obstacle course or something? The girls could have a choice of one of several events.

JOExHIGASHI posted...

they could have thicker women

Just to be clear, I haven't watched Miss America in a long time, so I don't care about this change. But somebody on the radio said that a lot of girls who have been staying in shape for years in the hopes of getting on Miss America are going to be angry that their work was for nothing, so I thought that if Miss America replaced the swimsuit portion with some "fitness test" it would create better will among the contestants.

After Caitlyn Jenner crushed woman of the year removing the swim suit portion was probably best for us all.

OmegaM posted...

Just to be clear, I haven't watched Miss America in a long time, so I don't care about this change. But somebody on the radio said that a lot of girls who have been staying in shape for years in the hopes of getting on Miss America are going to be angry that their work was for nothing, so I thought that if Miss America replaced the swimsuit portion with some "fitness test" it would create better will among the contestants.

Not gonna happen. I can already picture the butch feminists being mad that someone DARES give the idea that fit women is a good idea. Fitness and health, after all, are tools of the patriarchy... Or whatever other bullshit they like to cry about.
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Lobomoon posted...

What's the difference between America and USA?

Basically whoever owns them, they are pretty much the same thing except USA used to be owned by Trump. For that reason, people tend to think America is the more "prestigious" pageant (Even though USA is part of the "Universe" umbrella so they are recognized world-wide, while America is not).
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eh maybe this will get the pedo's out of beauty pageants

Literally no one gives to shits about the pageant and wouldn't watch anyway but omg feminism is ruining it!
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The_tall_midget posted...

OmegaM posted...

Just to be clear, I haven't watched Miss America in a long time, so I don't care about this change. But somebody on the radio said that a lot of girls who have been staying in shape for years in the hopes of getting on Miss America are going to be angry that their work was for nothing, so I thought that if Miss America replaced the swimsuit portion with some "fitness test" it would create better will among the contestants.

Not gonna happen. I can already picture the butch feminists being mad that someone DARES give the idea that fit women is a good idea. Fitness and health, after all, are tools of the patriarchy... Or whatever other bullshit they like to cry about.

Man ain't nobody crying here more than you
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Whatever, I guess. As long as the contestants are ok with it. And I guess the ones who have been working to toward that beach bod for the competition can still do the other pageant. I would think you just wouldnt do the competition if you didnt want to do all the parts. At least for the adult ones, I guess...
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Andromicus posted...

Man ain't nobody crying here more than you

Sorry if facts offends your feelings. Don't worry, I'm used to sjws being offended.
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This is such a huge travesty, now where are men supposed to find a place to look at attractive women wearing little clothing

Andromicus posted...

Literally no one gives to shits about the pageant and wouldn't watch anyway but omg feminism is ruining it!

Maybe they're just looking out for actual pageant fans, but I thought being offended on others' behalf was only for SJWs

RoboXgp89 posted...

eh maybe this will get the pedo's out of beauty pageants

They have prepubescent children in beauty pageants?

I want really miss it since I never watched it to begin with since the women and those are always pretty average looking with the most cookie cutter looking bodies ever. Like there's never any volumptious or curvy women.

Don't really approve of their reasoning though.

I couldn't care less about the change because I never have or will watch Miss America. However, don't most of these women like that kinda stuff? I knew a girl who ran for one of the Miss State pageant things and she liked the swimsuit competition cause she looked awesome.

It reminds me of when they got those whatever girls from Formula 1 because it was 'sexist'. Do people think these girls don't like being looked at?
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Smarkil posted...

I couldn't care less about the change because I never have or will watch Miss America. However, don't most of these women like that kinda stuff? I knew a girl who ran for one of the Miss State pageant things and she liked the swimsuit competition cause she looked awesome.

It reminds me of when they got those whatever girls from Formula 1 because it was 'sexist'. Do people think these girls don't like being looked at?

I think its certain women saying that women are being objectified or something.
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Several of the women who have been in the pageant are for the change. There are probably some against it too, sure, but I imagine over time everyone will get over it. There are better ways to feel empowered than having people objectify you

Chewster posted...

Several of the women who have been in the pageant are for the change. There are probably some against it too, sure, but I imagine over time everyone will get over it. There are better ways to feel empowered than having people objectify you

I don't see what's wrong with wanting people to think you look sexy. People call it objectification, but I honestly don't think that means a thing because it differs from person to person. I can feel objectified when people ask me to borrow my truck, but that doesn't mean the next person down is gonna feel the same way.

Some people want to look hot and want to be sex icons. Sex negative feminism is awful. Why ruin it for the ones that want to do it?
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The ones who want to show off their body can do it on their own time on Instagram or whatever. This isn't exactly going to create a shortage of ways for women to gain money or attention for their attractiveness

Also, every "sex positive" industry comes with wrinkles of harassment, exploitation, objectification, assault, etc. You can like the idea of "sex positive" feminism in theory, but it's naive to think it's a net positive for women right now. That kind of bad shit comes with the territory and the necessary cultural change to fix it isn't going to happen for decades, if ever

Chewster posted...

Also, every "sex positive" industry comes with wrinkles of harassment, exploitation, objectification, assault, etc. You can like the idea of "sex positive" feminism in theory, but it's naive to think it's a net positive for women right now. That kind of bad shit comes with the territory and the necessary cultural change to fix it isn't going to happen for decades, if ever

Evidently it's just every industry that comes with wrinkles of harassment and exploitation. This isn't just limited to whatever you think the 'sex positive' industry is. With the exception of human trafficking situations and the like, women are more than capable of choosing not to be involved in organizations that objectify them.

If we think of it in terms of the porn industry - are there women that are exploited? Absolutely. But are there women that do it because they love what they do and make a shit ton of money? Absolutely. So we're gonna tell the women who like what they do to fuck off because other people are being exploited? That's ridiculous.

Let people make their own decisions. If a woman doesn't want to participate in a contest that shows off their ass, fine. She doesn't have to do it.

All that said, these are of course private organizations that are more than welcome to make their own decisions and do what's in their own best interest. I'm only talking in principality, not in terms of this particular situation.
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What makes one group of women's feelings on the matter more important than the other's? You act like it's such a tragedy, these poor women will have to put more clothes on for one competition. They still get to be glammed up and it's not like they're going to be wearing baggy jumpsuits that hide their nice figures. They can still get their name out there and find somewhere else to be sexy. The only difference is now the ones who don't want to strut around half-naked can be more comfortable. I don't see the big deal, seems like it works out for everybody.

For the pageant for the ladies under 18, they actually have a thing where like about 25%-50% is optional. They also cost money to enter. They could do that with things like the swimsuit contest...
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