Poll of the Day > Val Kilmer, Bourdain's suicide, "selfish"

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/val-kilmer-calls-anthony-bourdain-suicide-selfish-ve-152553734.html

do you agree with kilmer?

Well he did leave behind a 11 year old child.
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Who am I to judge
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I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

Did Val Kilmer know him? or is he just trying to get back in the limelight?

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

it is selfish, though.

also Val Kilmer is still alive?

i thought he died years ago
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MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

It is broski. Its tragic as fuck and I'm not blaming him at all but it's not something you do for the benefit of others.
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Suicide is but anyone whos honest about it ends up being guilty of victim blaming.
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helIy posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

it is selfish, though.

also Val Kilmer is still alive?

i thought he died years ago

A person is so miserable and depressed that they literally hang themselves

But yes, lets focus on how selfish they are.
How lucky they were, how could they throw it all away? Why couldnt they just look at the positive side of life? Why were they even sad in the first place?

EvilMegas posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

It is broski. Its tragic as fuck and I'm not blaming him at all but it's not something you do for the benefit of others.

You dont see how a person who is willing to end their life could rationalize that their loved ones would be better off without them?

EvilMegas posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

It is broski. Its tragic as fuck and I'm not blaming him at all but it's not something you do for the benefit of others.

When it comes to depression you often think it is. Depression is not rational. You can have everything going for you and still think that the world is better off without you.

I can't speak for his mindset, but there are those who feel that if they kill themselves that those they love will be better off because they won't have to deal with the person who is depressed anymore.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

helIy posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

it is selfish, though.

also Val Kilmer is still alive?

i thought he died years ago

A person is so miserable and depressed that they literally hang themselves

But yes, lets focus on how selfish they are.
How lucky they were, how could they throw it all away? Why couldnt they just look at the positive side of life? Why were they even sad in the first place?

instead of seeking help, they killed themselves, which causes so much pain for everyone close to them. they now have to deal with the aftermath of that. the person who died just put a huge burden on everyone else, all because they didn't want to seek help.

it is selfish.
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If you kill yourself you're probably not of sound mind and therefore it's not selfish, in the sense there are much deeper issues... It'd be like saying Chris Benoit was just angry...

Sure. The act itself, objectively, is selfish if you take no other factors into consideration. But that's oversimplifying it.
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helIy posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

it is selfish, though.

also Val Kilmer is still alive?

i thought he died years ago

Savage
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aurick79 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

It is broski. Its tragic as fuck and I'm not blaming him at all but it's not something you do for the benefit of others.

When it comes to depression you often think it is. Depression is not rational. You can have everything going for you and still think that the world is better off without you.

I can't speak for his mindset, but there are those who feel that if they kill themselves that those they love will be better off because they won't have to deal with the person who is depressed anymore.

I agree with that as well.
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A person who kills themselves is not some hero, but selfish is the wrong word to describe it. Theyre not doing something to make themselves happy at the cost of their loved ones happiness.

If you don't want to live then you don't want to live. People can tell you it will get better and whatnot but it may or may not happen. It's your life, do whatever you want with it. Other people will just have to deal with it.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

If you kill yourself you're probably not of sound mind and therefore it's not selfish, in the sense there are much deeper issues... It'd be like saying Chris Benoit was just angry...

Sure. The act itself, objectively, is selfish if you take no other factors into consideration. But that's oversimplifying it.

Chris Benoit was just fucked in the head.

killing yourself is one thing, murdering your entire family is fucked up
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helIy posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

helIy posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

it is selfish, though.

also Val Kilmer is still alive?

i thought he died years ago

A person is so miserable and depressed that they literally hang themselves

But yes, lets focus on how selfish they are.
How lucky they were, how could they throw it all away? Why couldnt they just look at the positive side of life? Why were they even sad in the first place?

instead of seeking help, they killed themselves, which causes so much pain for everyone close to them. they now have to deal with the aftermath of that. the person who died just put a huge burden on everyone else, all because they didn't want to seek help.

it is selfish.

Yep, thats all it takes! Just get some help! Works for everybody! Nobody who has ever killed themselves didnt look for help first!

Selfish bastards

helIy posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

If you kill yourself you're probably not of sound mind and therefore it's not selfish, in the sense there are much deeper issues... It'd be like saying Chris Benoit was just angry...

Sure. The act itself, objectively, is selfish if you take no other factors into consideration. But that's oversimplifying it.

Chris Benoit was just fucked in the head.

killing yourself is one thing, murdering your entire family is fucked up

Based on your tone I think you totally misunderstood what I wrote.

My point is that mental health issues are complicated and there's no basic "they're ___" that fits short of filling the blank with "insane", which means traditional logic doesn't apply.
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There isnt a good way to get help for destructive thoughts lest you become committed.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

A person who kills themselves is not some hero, but selfish is the wrong word to describe it. Theyre not doing something to make themselves happy at the cost of their loved ones happiness.

No one said they're a hero. But they shouldn't be vilified either. When someone has reached a level of depression where they think suicide is not only the best answer, but the only answer, they aren't thinking rationally.

helIy posted...

instead of seeking help, they killed themselves, which causes so much pain for everyone close to them. they now have to deal with the aftermath of that. the person who died just put a huge burden on everyone else, all because they didn't want to seek help.

it is selfish.

It's not like when you are in a deep, clinical depression you can just change something and it goes away. I've seen depressed individuals be told "Oh just go for a jog" or "You have everything going for them", like these people haven't already tried something or listed out the things they have going for them, like the people who are making these suggestions are some type of depression savant. In most cases those people are coming from a place of caring, but it can actually do more harm because when you are depressed and people are telling you to do these things and it will make it go away, when it doesn't go away, you further think you are broken.
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aurick79 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

A person who kills themselves is not some hero, but selfish is the wrong word to describe it. Theyre not doing something to make themselves happy at the cost of their loved ones happiness.

No one said they're a hero. But they shouldn't be vilified either. When someone has reached a level of depression where they think suicide is not only the best answer, but the only answer, they aren't thinking rationally.

It's not like when you are in a deep, clinical depression you can just change something and it goes away. I've seen depressed individuals be told "Oh just go for a jog" or "You have everything going for them", like these people haven't already tried something or listed out the things they have going for them, like the people who are making these suggestions are some type of depression savant. In most cases those people are coming from a place of caring, but it can actually do more harm because when you are depressed and people are telling you to do these things and it will make it go away, when it doesn't go away, you further think you are broken.

I agree.

I wanted to make it clear Im not defending suicide. Im not condoning it, Im not saying it is a good thing, Im not saying there is no other option, Im not saying that a person cant seek help, Im not saying that a person who kills themselves is automatically a good person.

But calling somebody who kills themselves selfish or cowardly is fucking bullshit

helIy posted...

instead of seeking help

Don't assume this.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

helIy posted...

instead of seeking help

Don't assume this.

Seriously. Imagine being so uninformed about depression in 2018

It's o.k. with me if someone is unstable and kills themselves rather than others
Suicide is a drain on society, someone has to pay for their funeral, replace them, etc.

RoboXgp89 posted...

It's o.k. with me if someone is unstable and kills themselves rather than others
Suicide is a drain on society, someone has to pay for their funeral, replace them, etc.

How dare they use 1/1,000,000 of my tax dollars for an end to their suffering

OhhhJa posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

It's o.k. with me if someone is unstable and kills themselves rather than others
Suicide is a drain on society, someone has to pay for their funeral, replace them, etc.

How dare they use 1/1,000,000 of my tax dollars for an end to their suffering

I know right? Pretty soon people will just start killing themselves to get handouts from the gov't

I mean I guess it is fair, given how throat cancer is treating him Val Kilmer is probably wishing someone would off his sorry ass.
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Dikitain posted...

I mean I guess it is fair, given how throat cancer is treating him Val Kilmer is probably wishing someone would off his sorry ass.

maybe kilmer is just saying like, look how hard i'm fighting and how bad it is for me

Thinking about this more, its sad but I feel most bad for his 11 year old daughter. Hang yourself as she's entering puberty, leaving her to deal with the lifelong psychological trauma. Pretty shitty.
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Selfish? Maybe, it depends on the circumstances of each case. But regardless of that, the person is hardly at fault. After all, life isn't simple. There are problems that just can't be helped. There are things outsiders just can't understand about the victims. None of us have the right to judge someone that takes his/her own life.

Solid Sonic posted...

Suicide is but anyone whos honest about it ends up being guilty of victim blaming.

More like guilty of not understanding mental illness. Do you tell someone with extreme social anxiety that they are selfish for never going to family functions to spend time with people that love them? How are you gonna tell someone with extreme depression that they are selfish when they don't even care about themselves?

Val kilmer should shit the fuck up and stop making Bourdain's suicide about him
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There is certainly a discussion to be had regarding his perspective, but I think he could have given it some time before publicly expressing this opinion

Seems callous
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Val kilmer should shit the fuck up and stop making Bourdain's suicide about him

Basically.

He's just seeking attention and making it about him. Bringing his throat cancer into it and saying he could have committed suicide over that but didn't isn't relevant in any way to Anthony Bourdain.
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Jen0125 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Val kilmer should shit the fuck up and stop making Bourdain's suicide about him

Basically.

He's just seeking attention and making it about him. Bringing his throat cancer into it and saying he could have committed suicide over that but didn't isn't relevant in any way to Anthony Bourdain.

I have a hard time criticizing Val Kilmer even though I disagree with his sentiment and the way he went about it.

Millions of people share his misguided views, and he has a particularly interesting view on things like this being a cancer survivor.

I dont feel like hes just doing it for attention, I feel like he is being truthful in what hes saying and he feels strongly about it.

If he wasnt a celebrity nothing he said would be under any microscope.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Val kilmer should shit the fuck up and stop making Bourdain's suicide about him

Basically.

He's just seeking attention and making it about him. Bringing his throat cancer into it and saying he could have committed suicide over that but didn't isn't relevant in any way to Anthony Bourdain.

I have a hard time criticizing Val Kilmer even though I disagree with his sentiment and the way he went about it.

Millions of people share his misguided views, and he has a particularly interesting view on things like this being a cancer survivor.

I dont feel like hes just doing it for attention, I feel like he is being truthful in what hes saying and he feels strongly about it.

If he wasnt a celebrity nothing he said would be under any microscope.

He is doing it for attention

That shit he is saying is basically "this is why I'm better than Anthony Bourdain"

He can feel strongly about it and still be seeking praise and approval on the back of someone's death
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Doctor Foxx posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Val kilmer should shit the fuck up and stop making Bourdain's suicide about him

Basically.

He's just seeking attention and making it about him. Bringing his throat cancer into it and saying he could have committed suicide over that but didn't isn't relevant in any way to Anthony Bourdain.

I have a hard time criticizing Val Kilmer even though I disagree with his sentiment and the way he went about it.

Millions of people share his misguided views, and he has a particularly interesting view on things like this being a cancer survivor.

I dont feel like hes just doing it for attention, I feel like he is being truthful in what hes saying and he feels strongly about it.

If he wasnt a celebrity nothing he said would be under any microscope.

He is doing it for attention

That shit he is saying is basically "this is why I'm better than Anthony Bourdain"

He can feel strongly about it and still be seeking praise and approval on the back of someone's death

I dont know what hes thinking. If he is doing it for attention then yeah, fuck him. But I am not going to jump to conclusions

MICHALECOLE posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Val kilmer should shit the fuck up and stop making Bourdain's suicide about him

Basically.

He's just seeking attention and making it about him. Bringing his throat cancer into it and saying he could have committed suicide over that but didn't isn't relevant in any way to Anthony Bourdain.

I have a hard time criticizing Val Kilmer even though I disagree with his sentiment and the way he went about it.

Millions of people share his misguided views, and he has a particularly interesting view on things like this being a cancer survivor.

I dont feel like hes just doing it for attention, I feel like he is being truthful in what hes saying and he feels strongly about it.

If he wasnt a celebrity nothing he said would be under any microscope.

He is doing it for attention

That shit he is saying is basically "this is why I'm better than Anthony Bourdain"

He can feel strongly about it and still be seeking praise and approval on the back of someone's death

I dont know what hes thinking. If he is doing it for attention then yeah, fuck him. But I am not going to jump to conclusions

Whether that's his intention or not that's what he is doing

That "road to hell paved with good intentions" platitude applies
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Fuck Val Kilmer.

But also why are all these celebrities going the hanging route. That's the weirdest part to me. That seems like an awful way to go.

OhhhJa posted...

Fuck Val Kilmer.

But also why are all these celebrities going the hanging route. That's the weirdest part to me. That seems like an awful way to go.

they said that bourdain was hanging? didn't read that

MICHALECOLE posted...

A person is so miserable and depressed that they literally hang themselves

But yes, lets focus on how selfish they are.
How lucky they were, how could they throw it all away? Why couldnt they just look at the positive side of life? Why were they even sad in the first place?

When you have a child, your life isn't yours any more. You have to look after them, they are priority number 1 and as long as you can help your child, why would any personal suffering matter?

He'd forsaken his duty as a father to satisfy his personal wants.
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OhhhJa posted...

But also why are all these celebrities going the hanging route. That's the weirdest part to me. That seems like an awful way to go.

.... huh. Maybe there's a meaning behind it. Wouldn't it be crazy if those were actually homicides?

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

Exactly this. Its not selfish or easy and anyone who says it is doesnt get it.
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OhhhJa posted...

Fuck Val Kilmer.

But also why are all these celebrities going the hanging route. That's the weirdest part to me. That seems like an awful way to go.

yeah, i was about to say....what's making all these people so damn depressed that the only option for them is suicide?
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What's always bothered me is society's emphasis on people having to be 'happy', even when there's no reason to be 'happy' to begin with. Having negative thoughts and/or emotions from time to time is normal; when you can't overcome those thoughts, either through your own efforts or with help, that's when there's a problem. There's too much focus on 'fixing' people who don't 'fit in' to what's expected of them instead of accepting people as the flawed, imperfect creatures that they are.

NightMareBunny posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Fuck Val Kilmer.

But also why are all these celebrities going the hanging route. That's the weirdest part to me. That seems like an awful way to go.

yeah, i was about to say....what's making all these people so damn depressed that the only option for them is suicide?

Anthony Bourdain suffered from drug addition so that might be related.

I'm not a drug addict but I imagine many former drug addicts feel depressed without the drugs.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

Exactly this. Its not selfish or easy and anyone who says it is doesnt get it.

It is selfish though...
It's not easy at all, but it is selfish.

Sure, they are putting an end to their personal suffering, but by doing so they are making anyone close to them suffer as well.
In some cases this could lead to friends and family to become depressed, which can cause them to attempt or commit suicide in the future too.
However, family and friends are also selfish for wanting the suicidal person to live so...

MICHALECOLE posted...

helIy posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I hate when people say shit like that. Killing your self is not some easy thing you do on a whim.

it is selfish, though.

also Val Kilmer is still alive?

i thought he died years ago

A person is so miserable and depressed that they literally hang themselves

But yes, lets focus on how selfish they are.
How lucky they were, how could they throw it all away? Why couldnt they just look at the positive side of life? Why were they even sad in the first place?

Or why couldn't they, with their massive resources, attempted to seek help from professionals?
Yes, it's tragic, but it is pretty objectively selfish.