Board 8 > TLJ and Solo might be the last straw for Kathleen Kennedy

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i guess that name just panders to you most

I actually thought about mentioning the Boba Fett movie too but the idea is so stupid I decided to just ignore it.
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Boba Fett is a lot less fleshed out than Han or Obi Wan so he's going to make a better story

That being said I'm not sure any of them are stories I really want to see, and I love Boba Fett more than I should
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Theres always time for that Sith Lord Jar Jar reveal

IMAGINE if that took the place of the surprise from Solo
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i'm all for a post-RotJ boba fett movie because that means they retcon his stupid death.
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Post RotJ Boba Fett movie actually does sound potentially awesome

I assume Solo is pre-ANH, though, so I naturally assumed pre-ANH Boba Fett movie, which doesn't really sound interesting to me
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A Boba Fett video game where you take bounties and have to deal with other bounty hunters trying to horn in on your business could be fun.

Put it in the No Mans Sky engine!
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Lopen posted...

Post RotJ Boba Fett movie actually does sound potentially awesome

I assume Solo is pre-ANH, though, so I naturally assumed pre-ANH Boba Fett movie, which doesn't really sound interesting to me

I'd like somewhere after AOTC and how his father's death shaped him into the most feared bounty Hunter. Obviously not when he is still anakin age.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

OliviaTremor posted...

*high fives Xiahou*

Holy shit only 30 seconds apart too, beauty. ^5

Corrik posted...

but the film was not liked by a lot of fans which led to tanked numbers in the follow up.

TLJ (or more specifically, fan reaction to TLJ) is not the reason Solo is seeing the numbers it is. Granted it is a small part of it, but you're warping reality if you think Solo is bombing because of TLJ backlash.

This is by far the biggest reason it's bombing. What are you smoking?
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Jakyl25 posted...

A Boba Fett video game where you take bounties and have to deal with other bounty hunters trying to horn in on your business could be fun.

bruh haven't you played one of the best star wars games ever made (though that's about Jango I think but still)
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I have only played Shadow of the Empire
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One of the last Star Wars novels before the Disney buyout was a between-trilogies Kenobi and from what Ive heard (admittedly I havent read it myself) was extremely good.
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JonThePenguin posted...

One of the last Star Wars novels before the Disney buyout was a between-trilogies Kenobi and from what Ive heard (admittedly I havent read it myself) was extremely good.

yeah, it's not the period i want an obi-wan movie to be set in as all he does is sit on a desert planet, as corrik said. but i haven't read those books either and a lot of fans DO want the movie to be set in that period (going by fan trailers), so who knows.

some of those fans trailers show like a star wars version of cast away, implying that obi-wan kinda goes crazy because he has nobody to talk to on tatooine and he constantly has PTSD flashbacks to all the shit that happened in the prequels (and the clone wars series, i guess). interesting idea but disney would never do that. plus relying on the prequels for your movie isn't a good idea.
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Obi-Wan was fantastic in the prequels

He saw a security hologram!
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Corrik posted...

A+ take here. Smooth.

When you've had the actual reasons explained to you in the topic about 20 times but you still can't comprehend them it's not really worth re-re-re-explaining. In the words of Shadow, "You'e too slow!"

Lopen posted...

The guy's signature is "Butts." you should probably take it as a compliment.

Who doesn't like butts?

Now here is a Star Wars movie that would revitalize the franchise (as long as it doesn't launch ~5 months after the last film, alongside some of the fiercest competition possible, and while also having a publicly troubled shoot. Anyone with half a brain could tell you a movie like that would bomb!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVpG1iC737c" data-time="
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Ainoxi posted...

Corrik posted...

A+ take here. Smooth.

When you've had the actual reasons explained to you in the topic about 20 times but you still can't comprehend them it's not really worth re-re-re-explaining. In the words of Shadow, "You'e too slow!"

Lopen posted...

The guy's signature is "Butts." you should probably take it as a compliment.

Who doesn't like butts?

Now here is a Star Wars movie that would revitalize the franchise (as long as it doesn't launch ~5 months after the last film, alongside some of the fiercest competition possible, and while also having a publicly troubled shoot. Anyone with half a brain could tell you a movie like that would bomb!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVpG1iC737c" data-time="

Your "reasons" are opinions. And most people's opinion is that TLJ had a lot to do with this bomb.
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Ainoxi posted...

When you've had the actual reasons explained to you in the topic about 20 times but you still can't comprehend them it's not really worth re-re-re-explaining.

last jedi backlash, the release date and poor marketing are all valid reasons to explain why the movie bombed tbqh. going "no, my reasons are the ACTUAL reasons" is kinda douchey, especially when you're not providing any arguments or evidence for why those could be the only possible reasons for solo's failure at the box office.
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Corrik posted...

And most people's opinion is that TLJ had a lot to do with this bomb.

By most people do you mean people who want to believe it and go out of their way to claim it?
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I won't argue most but I will argue "enough people that you're an idiot to try and claim any one reason is 'objectively correct'"
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None of this TLJ hate extends to BB8 does it? Please tell me there arent people who hate BB8
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Stupid soccer ball

Give me r2 or give me death
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

And most people's opinion is that TLJ had a lot to do with this bomb.

By most people do you mean people who want to believe it and go out of their way to claim it?

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.
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Jakyl25 posted...

None of this TLJ hate extends to BB8 does it? Please tell me there arent people who hate BB8

Evil BB8 got that hate.
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BBH8

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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

And most people's opinion is that TLJ had a lot to do with this bomb.

By most people do you mean people who want to believe it and go out of their way to claim it?

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.

To be fair, you have a history of going to other boards where they echo chamber your opinions, and then claiming we're the outliers because we disagree with what you already believe.
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As opposed to going to this board where they echo chamber your opinions I guess.
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Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

And most people's opinion is that TLJ had a lot to do with this bomb.

By most people do you mean people who want to believe it and go out of their way to claim it?

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.

To be fair, you have a history of going to other boards where they echo chamber your opinions, and then claiming we're the outliers because we disagree with what you already believe.

ResetERA, movies at the theater, star wars, and NeoGAF. Yeah, I totally go to where my opinions are echoed. Lololol.
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Inviso posted...

To be fair, you have a history of going to other boards where they echo chamber your opinions, and then claiming we're the outliers because we disagree with what you already believe.

corrik is kinda right, though - i'm honestly surprised that saying that TLJ backlash had something to do with solo's box office failure is so controversial here. in the star wars fan community in general it's accepted as a given.
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Though if you ever do find a Moderate Conservative Middle Aged Excessively Overtime Working Parent/Video Gamer, Moviegoer, and Star Wars Enthusiast board. Let me know!

I would love to fit right in! Woohoo!
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Corrik posted...

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.

Most people who watch Star Wars arent on message boards
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.

Most people who watch Star Wars arent on message boards

True, but if I say what people I talk to say... You would file it down as anecdotal and say how everyone you know says the opposite. So, it is a wash. Talking about what people say on boards at least hits a very much more diverse crowd of opinions.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Inviso posted...

To be fair, you have a history of going to other boards where they echo chamber your opinions, and then claiming we're the outliers because we disagree with what you already believe.

corrik is kinda right, though - i'm honestly surprised that saying that TLJ backlash had something to do with solo's box office failure is so controversial here. in the star wars fan community in general it's accepted as a given.

I think almost everyone can agree its A factor

I just think its insane to suggest its THE factor
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Jakyl25 posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Inviso posted...

To be fair, you have a history of going to other boards where they echo chamber your opinions, and then claiming we're the outliers because we disagree with what you already believe.

corrik is kinda right, though - i'm honestly surprised that saying that TLJ backlash had something to do with solo's box office failure is so controversial here. in the star wars fan community in general it's accepted as a given.

I think almost everyone can agree its A factor

I just think its insane to suggest its THE factor

I would suggest it is reasonably a main factor. Dismissing someone as slow and such for mentioning it seems drastic.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.

Most people who watch Star Wars arent on message boards

True, but if I say what people I talk to say... You would file it down as anecdotal and say how everyone you know says the opposite. So, it is a wash. Talking about what people say on boards at least hits a very much more diverse crowd of opinions.

What do the people you know say? That would at least presumably cut across a wider spectrum of fans than just hardcore people seeking out Star Wars discussion
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8Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

This is the only board where the majority of people don't point to it as a main reason that I go to.

Most people who watch Star Wars arent on message boards

True, but if I say what people I talk to say... You would file it down as anecdotal and say how everyone you know says the opposite. So, it is a wash. Talking about what people say on boards at least hits a very much more diverse crowd of opinions.

What do the people you know say? That would at least presumably cut across a wider spectrum of fans than just hardcore people seeking out Star Wars discussion

I have quite a few friends ranging from very hardcore star wars fans to casuals. Casuals for the most part just weren't interested. Some due to TLJ. Some just in Solo itself as the movie.

The hardcore fans all seem to have the same thought process. "I will probably see it or I was going to see it, but after TLJ I just don't know. I will wait for reviews and go from there.". Which is where I was... Except I was more I am probably going to see it then when it came out I easily found myself talking myself into Deadpool instead.

That said, almost everyone I talked to that has seen it said the movie was fun and good.

The problem is a lot of the people who are definitely fuck yes midnight release fans for star wars that I knew were mostly maybes after TLJ. I personally do not know a single person who LOVED TLJ that I am friends with IRL. And that is weird. Like, I think it is okay. But most the people I know ranged from bad to okay.

I still plan to see it at some point.

Edit: Oh that is a lie. My one boss at work liked TLJ. But when we discussed it, he did agree with me that the movie had significant problems. He said he still liked it though.
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I can see an argument for it being THE factor since you could argue it was the death knell to the intangibles of the franchise's fanbase.

Like obviously release date was a significant factor but that doesn't mean in a universe where TLJ wasn't so mixed the release date doesn't hurt a lot less. I mean Deadpool 2 did completely fine despite being so soon after Infinity War. Is the limit then two blockbusters, and only the third in a short span is going to tank for sure?

I just don't think there's any sort of cut and dry to it.
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Lopen posted...

I can see an argument for it being THE factor since you could argue it was the death knell to the intangibles of the franchise's fanbase.

Like obviously release date was a significant factor but that doesn't mean in a universe where TLJ wasn't so mixed the release date doesn't hurt a lot less. I mean Deadpool 2 did completely fine despite being so soon after Infinity War. Is the limit then two blockbusters, and only the third in a short span is going to tank for sure?

I just don't think there's any sort of cut and dry to it.

I think it is hard to argue fatigure or closeness in release dates with a company that is releasing 3 to 4 movies in a universe per calednar year in marvel.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I think almost everyone can agree its A factor

well yes, but seems like a lot of people here don't agree that it was a SIGNIFICANT factor. here people are like "it bombed because of the release date and bad marketing and like 1% of it was TLJ backlash," while elsewhere people list it as a main reason (most people agree that the release date was the biggest reason, though).
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Lopen posted...

Like obviously release date was a significant factor but that doesn't mean in a universe where TLJ wasn't so mixed the release date doesn't hurt a lot less. I mean Deadpool 2 did completely fine despite being so soon after Infinity War. Is the limit then two blockbusters, and only the third in a short span is going to tank for sure?

I would love to see the results in a world where Infinity War and Solo swap release dates
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Corrik posted...

I think it is hard to argue fatigure or closeness in release dates with a company that is releasing 3 to 4 movies in a universe per calednar year in marvel.

Well. Solo is gonna end up doing about the same as the lower tier Marvel movies.

Solo is flopping relative to Star Wars, not relative to movies in general.
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I don't really feel like reading this topic but I just wanted to say I didn't know all of this could be pin pointed to one person
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My hardcore Star Wars fan friends say about TLJ basically say, paraphrased

"It didn't add anything to the franchise. It's actually my least favorite Star Wars movie because at least, even though Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were crap added to the universe. Like there were new characters that had a place like Dooku and Darth Maul and Jango Fett, and the Separatists weren't Empire 2.0"

To some extent I actually agree. Like in terms of compelling characters TLJ adds zero of them. In terms of compelling lore TLJ adds zero of it. In fact it actively deconstructs other concepts of the universe like how Hyperdrive works (I can no longer take any Star Wars space battle seriously because why aren't we just building kamikaze ships to one shot Star Destroyers-- have droids pilot em) or Luke Skywalker's character now being an inconsistent mess. But I definitely don't hate it quite as much as they do. I will argue to the death that it's a much better movie than at the very least Attack of the Clones. Probably Phantom Menace too but I'd need to rewatch that one to be sure.

And they had pretty much no desire to see Solo whatsoever. BUT I will say they didn't see Rogue One till it was on Netflix either so I'm not sure they were the target audience that was hurt by TLJ exactly. I do suspect they won't be eager to see the next movie on release though and they've seen literally every mainline movie they've been alive for on release
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OliviaTremor posted...

Hot take-- The Last Jedi is by far the best Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back and allowing Rian Johnson to create an entirely new trilogy unrelated to Skywalkers is the best thing Disney has done.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I would love to see the results in a world where Infinity War and Solo swap release dates

I think Infinity War does identically, and Solo does... better enough to not be considered a total flop but is nowhere near Rogue One levels. Probably gets closer to Deadpool 2 level sales I figure.
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Lopen posted...

"It didn't add anything to the franchise. It's actually my least favorite Star Wars movie because at least, even though Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were crap added to the universe. Like there were new characters that had a place like Dooku and Darth Maul and Jango Fett, and the Separatists weren't Empire 2.0"

That makes sense. Like for me, as a more casual fan, I dont care about Lore. I just want to be entertained.
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I wonder if I am alone here in the opinion that TFA and ANH are well above the other six.
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I will say that a lot of what made me consider TLJ the best SW movie in the franchise after leaving the theater was that I just don't care much for SW. In a vacuum and with no love for the series, TLJ was just more entertaining that the rest.

I remember how much I had to struggle to stay awake during TFA...
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Right. I'm sort of in the middle, personally. I don't care nearly as much that it didn't add anything but what it takes away does kinda bug me, and there is a lot of just boring and pointless stuff in the movie so it kinda fails on the entertaining level to some extent too. But I do care about being entertained first and foremost which is why I'll never come close to putting it below Attack of the Clones for example.

But like, I do completely understand and agree with their complaints. Say there was a new Star Wars Fighting Game, the second coming of Masters of Teras Kasi. I would literally never pick any character that debuted in The Last Jedi in that game. But Dooku and Jango Fett were at least cool. I could maybe pick them. Hell Zam Wessel the changeling is more appealing than any TLJ character as a concept and she's in the movie for like the first 5 minutes

I think Finn and Poe had potential to be interesting characters in the first movie and I could have seen myself picking them if TLJ followed up on them properly. And Kylo Ren I can see an appeal to even if it (really) doesn't work for me.

Maybe BB8 if he was in there as a joke character. He is cute even if I think R2 hits the balance better.

But none of these were added in TLJ. TLJ you have the hacker guy, purple haired girl who pointlessly withholds the plan, and Rose. None of these even really have potential to be interesting to me, and Finn/Poe were kinda squandered.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I think it is hard to argue fatigure or closeness in release dates with a company that is releasing 3 to 4 movies in a universe per calednar year in marvel.

Well. Solo is gonna end up doing about the same as the lower tier Marvel movies.

Solo is flopping relative to Star Wars, not relative to movies in general.

I don't remember a single marvel movie that lost money in the box office. Especially at the tune of 50-100+ million.
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Marvel movies aren't nearly as overbudgeted as Star Wars movies is the thing. Star Wars movies make more but they also need to make more to be profitable.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I wonder if I am alone here in the opinion that TFA and ANH are well above the other six.

Probably.
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