Poll of the Day > Birth By Sleep is the worst kingdom Hearts game. Change my mind

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PK_Spam
06/14/18 4:13:27 PM
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Spoilers below. Obviously

And its solely because, somehow, every boss in that game is worse than every other boss in every other Kingdom Hearts game except MAYBE the Young Xehanort in 3D.

Whose idea was it to never have the bosses flinch when you hit them? To have every boss potentially knock you out of a combo? To make your basic combos boring in favor of just mashing the Triangle button, which is the NEXT problem.

Commands are stupid.

Yes, they LOOK nice, and you get some good commands really early, so its cool when you can stomp enemies with shit like Fission Firaga or that one command that freezes your enemies while you wail on them with really powerful hits, but... theres something wrong here.

The commands that will help you sweep regular encounters are the same commands that will absolutely get you killed really quickly during boss battles. I know some of you are saying shit like But PK_Spam! Thats good! The game encourages you to change your command deck for each fight! Thats a good strategy element! Except it isnt.

For every playthrough for each character in that game, I pretty much had two different decks. One with the AoE spells that wipe out enemies in an instant, and one with things like Thunder/Fire Surge or whatever, that provided tons of invincibility frames with respectable damage. And pretty much the same Shot Locks. And I would spend every boss fight the same way. Just mashing he Triangle button and occasionally healing until the bosses were dead. And Dodge Rolling when I wasnt doing that. It was SO boring. And dont get me started on the fucking bonus bosses which were a whole OTHER thing.

Im gonna go and say the thing that hundreds of other people have also said, tens of times already. Every main character is BORING. Like, Sora isnt the epitome of good writing either, but hes... fine. Hes good and reliable, and genuinely a likeable guy. Id be friends with him for sure. But the BBS trio are just... products of the plot, and arent people. Like theyre supposed to be friends, but they go and do that meaningless angsty shit about how Terra, or Aquas stupid I care about my friends, while clutching her fist to her titties. Or Ven being... Ven.

Why was this a game? This is like the Chamber of Secrets of the Kingdom Hearts franchises, except whole Chamber of Secrets at least had some stuff going on, BBS is just you going through the story, hoping for something substantial to happen, and the game saying Oh well! Nothing really meaningful happened in this world, but maybe the next world will have an important plot bit that isnt fanservice that you wouldve already known from KH1/2. So keep on playing ;)

Its like one of those stupid shows on tv that dangle the solution to the shows overall mystery and then, at the end of the season gives you a bullshit cliffhanger and tells you to tune in next year so you could MAYBE get the answer youre lookig for. If the writers feel like it.

Idk, I just get really mad when I hear people praise BBS as THE best KH game, when even shit like Chain of Memories is better structured.
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papercup
06/14/18 4:40:12 PM
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It can't be. Dream Drop Distance exists.

But, yes, I don't care for BBS either.
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DeltaBladeX
06/14/18 4:42:50 PM
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Kingdom Hearts Mobile

You played minigames and could get wallpapers and ringtones for your phone
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Moonjay
06/14/18 4:48:45 PM
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Are there even any Kingdom Hearts games that are worth playing other than Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2? Because every impression I've gotten from the other games is that they're meaningless filler that aren't related in any way to anything important and are only "Kingdom Hearts" because the human characters are in the same style as Sora. :P
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 4:49:31 PM
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Coded was actually the worse. Try again.
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ernieforss
06/14/18 4:56:29 PM
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did you beat the game 3 times after you beat the game 3 times for the first time to get the true ending.

If i remember it correctly you have to beat the game with each character 3 times.
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DarkKirby2500
06/14/18 4:59:45 PM
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Moonjay posted...
Are there even any Kingdom Hearts games that are worth playing other than Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2? Because every impression I've gotten from the other games is that they're meaningless filler that aren't related in any way to anything important and are only "Kingdom Hearts" because the human characters are in the same style as Sora. :P

They're "Kingdom Heart's games" because they feature Disney environments and characters, but the overall story of Kingdom Hearts is a mess because they keep reconning things to justify adding new games and prequels to try and make those games make sense.
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knivesX2004
06/14/18 4:59:47 PM
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I almost didn't finish BBS.
Something about not having a controller made me terrible at the game. I died all the time do to shitty camera angles and I couldn't even tell you what the story was even about tbh.
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Greenfox111
06/14/18 5:06:22 PM
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Why are you on this weird change my mind kick
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:06:52 PM
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Moonjay posted...
Are there even any Kingdom Hearts games that are worth playing other than Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2?


Yes and if you're planing on buying Kingdom Hearts 3 it's highly recommended to play them. Chain of memories, Birth by Sleep, Dream Drop Distance and 0.2 are all important to the story and are not filer.
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ForteEXE3850
06/14/18 5:15:46 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Moonjay posted...
Are there even any Kingdom Hearts games that are worth playing other than Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2?


Yes and if you're planing on buying Kingdom Hearts 3 it's highly recommended to play them. Chain of memories, Birth by Sleep, Dream Drop Distance and 0.2 are all important to the story and are not filer.

By that you mean they introduce new original characters, many of which die in the same game than return later anyway.
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:18:02 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
By that you mean they introduce new original characters, many of which die in the same game than return later anyway.


Wrong. Try again.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/14/18 5:19:54 PM
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PK_Spam posted...
And its solely because, somehow, every boss in that game is worse than every other boss in every other Kingdom Hearts game except MAYBE --- ----- -------- in 3D.

Whose idea was it to never have the bosses flinch when you hit them? To have every boss potentially knock you out of a combo? To make your basic combos boring in favor of just mashing the Triangle button, which is the NEXT problem.


From what I understood, SE has/had 2 boss design teams, which took some times to get good. Best example is probably the KH2 bosses and the KH2FM additions.
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Moonjay
06/14/18 5:21:16 PM
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I played Chain of Memories and there was absolutely nothing in it that mattered in any way. I'm definitely not ever playing the other side games. Never even finished Kingdom Hearts 2, actually.
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:24:20 PM
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Moonjay posted...
I played Chain of Memories and there was absolutely nothing in it that mattered in any way.


How would you know when you've not played the others?

Moonjay posted...
I'm definitely not ever playing the other side games. Never even finished Kingdom Hearts 2, actually.


So why are you asking questions about a series you have zero interest in?
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ForteEXE3850
06/14/18 5:25:15 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
ForteEXE3850 posted...
By that you mean they introduce new original characters, many of which die in the same game than return later anyway.


Wrong. Try again.

Too late you changed your response.

wwinterj25 posted...
Irrelevant.

And it does happen anyway. Death is a pretty meaningless concept in Kingdom Hearts at this point.
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:27:18 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
Too late you changed your response.


Yes, yes I did so there is zero reason for you to respond to it.
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ForteEXE3850
06/14/18 5:34:13 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
ForteEXE3850 posted...
Too late you changed your response.


Yes, yes I did so there is zero reason for you to respond to it.

You admitted it happens and took it back.

At any rate, I'm waging a guess here you're one of the Kingdom Heart's fans who claim the entirety of the Kingdom Heart's story is excellent, organized, and completely makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWjSOSWiUw" data-time="

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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:41:26 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
At any rate, I'm waging a guess here you're one of the Kingdom Heart's fans who claim the entirety of the Kingdom Heart's story is excellent, organized, and completely makes sense.


Wrong yet again.
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ForteEXE3850
06/14/18 5:42:57 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
ForteEXE3850 posted...
At any rate, I'm waging a guess here you're one of the Kingdom Heart's fans who claim the entirety of the Kingdom Heart's story is excellent, organized, and completely makes sense.


Wrong yet again.

So explain why you are defending the story then.
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:45:28 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
So explain why you are defending the story then.


Explain why you're so shit at trolling first.
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keyblader1985
06/14/18 5:46:58 PM
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I haven't played BbS yet, but I swear it seems like people change their mind on most games in the series every few years. For a long time I heard nothing but good things about Birth by Sleep, and now all of a sudden people hate it. And everyone seemed to love Dream Drop Distance when it came out, and now no one does.

For the record, the series is all one interconnected story that will conclude with KH3. The side games usually tell what happens between the main games and/or go in depth with side characters' stories. If you skip them or don't at least read a synopsis of them, you'll be in the dark about some things or flat out not know who some characters are.

As for the games themselves, my thoughts:

Chain of Memories: treading through the same worlds as the original game can be tiresome, but the main villains of KH2 are introduced here, as well as revealing the fate of some characters left hanging in the first game.

358/2 Days: Foregone conclusion and dreadfully boring much of the time, but it introduces a whole new character and as a game it wasn't bad at all. I like how the different spell levels actually had different effects so Fire didn't automatically become useless once you got Fira, for example.

Re:Coded: Fun as hell, but the story is almost completely irrelevant.

Dream Drop Distance: directly sets the stage for Kingdom Hearts 3. The main thing people seem to hate about this is the Drop system, and that's entirely manageable. Flowmotion is fun as well.
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ForteEXE3850
06/14/18 5:47:49 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
ForteEXE3850 posted...
So explain why you are defending the story then.


Explain why you're so shit at trolling first.

Are you saying people in the Kingdom Heart's story don't die than come back.

You defend the Kingdom heart's story.

Than claim you're not a fan of it.
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 5:49:47 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
Than claim you're not a fan of it.


I never once claimed that. See this right here is why your shit at trolling. Good trolling consists of facts. Not things that are pulled from your arse.
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ReggieTheReckless
06/14/18 5:56:16 PM
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RE: Chain of Memories

The end
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Greenfox111
06/14/18 5:57:05 PM
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ReggieTheReckless posted...
RE: Chain of Memories

The end

Original chain of memories

The end
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ForteEXE3850
06/14/18 6:00:21 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
ForteEXE3850 posted...
Than claim you're not a fan of it.


I never once claimed that. See this right here is why your shit at trolling. Good trolling consists of facts. Not things that are pulled from your arse.

So explain your stance on Kingdom Heart's story, it's something you seem adamant on refusing to do.
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wwinterj25
06/14/18 7:54:51 PM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
So explain your stance on Kingdom Heart's story, it's something you seem adamant on refusing to do.


Just so you can disagree with it and continue shitposting? I'll pass.
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helIy
06/14/18 8:51:17 PM
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I liked it, but the only person I enjoyed played was aqua.

other than that, it was pretty fuckin boring
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DeathMagnetic80
06/15/18 12:19:24 AM
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Moonjay posted...
Are there even any Kingdom Hearts games that are worth playing other than Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2? Because every impression I've gotten from the other games is that they're meaningless filler that aren't related in any way to anything important and are only "Kingdom Hearts" because the human characters are in the same style as Sora. :P


Seriously... the story seems like weird and convoluted, and a bunch of games with bizarre names doesn't help.
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Greenfox111
06/15/18 12:21:33 AM
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Moonjay posted...
Are there even any Kingdom Hearts games that are worth playing other than Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2? Because every impression I've gotten from the other games is that they're meaningless filler that aren't related in any way to anything important and are only "Kingdom Hearts" because the human characters are in the same style as Sora. :P


Seriously... the story seems like weird and convoluted, and a bunch of games with bizarre names doesn't help.

lol cmon dream drop distance isn't a bizarre name its totally reasonable
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