Poll of the Day > "TV's Dead"

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that's about as stupid as the people who proclaimed paperless offices were the future or that nobody would have to leave their house for anything ever again because drones could instantly deliver it to you

but I'm not seeing these offices where Paper isn't even required and in fact you are still required to have a legit signature you can write on person on paper despite those paperless future claims

so why do people constantly have to make claims that TV Is Dead or that computers made writing on paper obsolete

when it's so far from the truth it'll make your head spin
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In the military, using our CAC and pin, we can digitally sign stuff now.
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I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.
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LinkPizza posted...

In the military, using our CAC and pin, we can digitally sign stuff now.

Coming soon to debit cards.
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NightMareBunny posted...

that nobody would have to leave their house for anything ever again

I swear, it's like he deliberately sets these up...

NightMareBunny posted...

but I'm not seeing these offices where Paper isn't even required

Well, first you'd have to visit an office to see anything...

NightMareBunny posted...

so why do people constantly have to make claims that TV Is Dead or that computers made writing on paper obsolete

Or that people don't need good pensmanship?
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.

ironic isn't it
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The computer is dead by phone.

I digitally sign stuff all the time.
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I don't view advertiser media any more.
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NightMareBunny posted...

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.

ironic isn't it

A little too ironic.. and yeah I really do think

Well, if you love TV so much, why don't you marry it? The courts would probably allow it at this point.
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NMB, what is your source for all these claims? What is your source that TV is dead? What is your source that paperless means no paper at all? What is your source that drones make leaving the house obsolete?

Your asshole is not a source.

You have never had a job in your life, so what offices have you ever seen? Offices in TV shows and movies? Those are not real offices.

I work in an office that has gone paperless, but yes, we do still use paper for some things. That's inevitable. We use very very very little paper though, certainly much less than we did even 5 years ago.

Also, you think you need to sign on paper? Have you seriously never heard of a digital signature? Digital signatures are used literally all the time.

What do you even mean by "TV is dead"? Are you actually talking about cable TV? Yes, cable TV is dying, but TV itself isn't dying. It's just evolving into streaming TV. It's really no different than landline phones evolving into cellphones. Things evolve all the time.

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.

Source? I did a quick google search and found nothing.

rogerskg1979 posted...

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.

Source? I did a quick google search and found nothing.

I'm assuming his ass.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.

Source? I did a quick google search and found nothing.

He already said his source. He read it somewhere.

Dumbass..

TV isn't dead but it sure as hell is dying. Having a cable subscription is becoming less and less common.
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faramir77 posted...

TV isn't dead but it sure as hell is dying. Having a cable subscription is becoming less and less common.

Which like I said before, that doesn't mean "TV" is dying. It only means cable TV is dying. It's being replaced by streaming TV. TV is not dying.

rogerskg1979 posted...

What is your source that paperless means no paper at all?.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the word paperless itself is his source for that
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Johnny Eagle posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

What is your source that paperless means no paper at all?.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the word paperless itself is his source for that

That is what I figure. He takes things too literally.

Paperless doesn't mean no paper at all though. It just means minimizing the use of paper.

rogerskg1979 posted...

faramir77 posted...

TV isn't dead but it sure as hell is dying. Having a cable subscription is becoming less and less common.

Which like I said before, that doesn't mean "TV" is dying. It only means cable TV is dying. It's being replaced by streaming TV. TV is not dying.

Kinda this, although conventional tv will probably last for quite a while longer between sports and news broadcasts. I can't imagine that we'll ever see tv not broadcast over the airwaves since even today you still have devices that pick up the basic stations (as opposed to cable itself, which in some senses may go away but -- far more realistically -- the cable companies will likely just move online as well; Comcast and others *already* have streaming access. So it's not so much that something is going as it is transforming.)
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you don't have to have a signature.

and drone deliveries are being worked on, it's a process
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I think "TV" needs elaboration

Does TC mean "cable" is dead? If so, yes, that is true. It's overpriced commercial-ridden trash.
or
Does TC mean "shows" are dead? If so, that is false. We're in basically a second golden age of television with loads upon loads of great shows out there.
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I cant remember the last time I signed something on paper

even in the hospital, I had to sign digitally
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I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

You require a signature on paper? I do my taxes online using TurboTax. I have never had to sign anything on paper doing my taxes that way.

rogerskg1979 posted...

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

You require a signature on paper? I do my taxes online using TurboTax. I have never had to sign anything on paper doing my taxes that way.

when you read that he does taxes, and has clients, what was your first thought here
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helIy posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

You require a signature on paper? I do my taxes online using TurboTax. I have never had to sign anything on paper doing my taxes that way.

when you read that he does taxes, and has clients, what was your first thought here

What's your point? Clients can digitally sign.

rogerskg1979 posted...

helIy posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

You require a signature on paper? I do my taxes online using TurboTax. I have never had to sign anything on paper doing my taxes that way.

when you read that he does taxes, and has clients, what was your first thought here

What's your point? Clients can digitally sign.

when you also read that it was for physical records, what then was your thought there
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helIy posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

helIy posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

You require a signature on paper? I do my taxes online using TurboTax. I have never had to sign anything on paper doing my taxes that way.

when you read that he does taxes, and has clients, what was your first thought here

What's your point? Clients can digitally sign.

when you also read that it was for physical records, what then was your thought there

He never actually said physical records. He just said "our records."

Digital records are actually safer than physical records since digital can be backed up on different servers and off-site servers. Specifically requiring a physical record is a bit odd in this day, and that's why I brought it up in the first place.

rogerskg1979 posted...

He never actually said physical records. He just said "our records."

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records

paper is physical.
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helIy posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

He never actually said physical records. He just said "our records."

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records

paper is physical.

You're being a deliberate smartass.

The entire purpose of my post was just to question why he needs a physical signature when before that he said that his company has gone paperless, and this physical signature is basically the one and only physical requirement. I was just simply questioning why since a digital signature could work just as well.

For some things, paper still makes sense. A signature is not one of those things however.

rogerskg1979 posted...

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

I do taxes. We use very little paper, unless the client wants a hard copy of their return vs an electronic one. I basically need ONE signature on paper, for our records through the whole process. Anyway, TV isn't "dead" but Hulu, Netflix, etc have changed how people watch TV by and large.

You require a signature on paper? I do my taxes online using TurboTax. I have never had to sign anything on paper doing my taxes that way.

We have them digitally sign all the e-file stuff, we have a form we need hard copies of in office in case we're audited that I need an actual signature on.

NightMareBunny posted...

that's about as stupid as the people who proclaimed paperless offices were the future or that nobody would have to leave their house for anything ever again because drones could instantly deliver it to you

but I'm not seeing these offices where Paper isn't even required and in fact you are still required to have a legit signature you can write on person on paper despite those paperless future claims

so why do people constantly have to make claims that TV Is Dead or that computers made writing on paper obsolete

when it's so far from the truth it'll make your head spin

Nobody says any of that.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

Johnny Eagle posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

What is your source that paperless means no paper at all?.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the word paperless itself is his source for that

That is what I figure. He takes things too literally.

Paperless doesn't mean no paper at all though. It just means minimizing the use of paper.

They should have come up with a different word to use, then, because "paperless" literally means "no paper".
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Johnny Eagle posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

What is your source that paperless means no paper at all?.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the word paperless itself is his source for that

That is what I figure. He takes things too literally.

Paperless doesn't mean no paper at all though. It just means minimizing the use of paper.

They should have come up with a different word to use, then, because "paperless" literally means "no paper".

Stop taking things so literally. That's on you, not on the term itself. What term would you use then?

rogerskg1979 posted...

Stop taking things so literally. That's on you, not on the term itself. What term would you use then?

If that's what the word means then it isn't taking something "too literally".
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Revelation34 posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Stop taking things so literally. That's on you, not on the term itself. What term would you use then?

If that's what the word means then it isn't taking something "too literally".

Except it is not what the word means. A paperless office is not an office that uses no paper at all. A paperless office is an office which has minimized the use of paper. A paperless office can use a minimal amount of paper.

Now see, this is a texbook definition of what's called a "strawman argument".

It's when someone puts words in someone else's mouth, and then argues those words that they just said.

It's important to recognize these arguments, because it doesn't forward any discussion at all, and is verbal garbage.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

Except it is not what the word means. A paperless office is not an office that uses no paper at all. A paperless office is an office which has minimized the use of paper. A paperless office can use a minimal amount of paper.

Then the term should be lesspaper and not paperless.
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tv isn't dead, but cable as we know it is dying, ok?

Aculo posted...

tv isn't dead, but cable as we know it is dying, ok?

No.
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NightMareBunny posted...

but I'm not seeing these offices where Paper isn't even required and in fact you are still required to have a legit signature you can write on person on paper despite those paperless future claims

My office is about 90% paperless (we do have to print out stuff for interviews, reviews, and notes), and even that 10% COULD be done digitally if more people were on board with it. Also, with the signature thing, most places are saying that a written signature is LESS secure then say a digital one. Now if I am "signing" something it is usually using my phone's authenticator or a site like this:

https://www.docusign.com/
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Zeus posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I read once that since going digital...even more paper is used.

Source? I did a quick google search and found nothing.

I'm assuming his ass.

You are a funny man zeus.

anyway, I did a quick google search as well and this was the first result

https://www.efilecabinet.com/why-some-companies-are-experiencing-paper-usage-increase/

It may seem a bit contradictory to popular common sense and logic. You may be asking yourself why it is that in an age where computers are in almost every business and where multiple file formats allow for the digitizing of almost any document are organizations using more paper. You are not alone in that line of thinking. According to several projections that were made popular in the 1970s, it was estimated that offices were supposed to be completely paperless by 2015 due to the increasing rise in computers. However, statistics would seem to suggest the exact opposite of this prediction. In fact, in the last 20 years, paper consumption in the United States and Canada has increased from 92 million tons to a whopping 208 million tons. This is a 126% increase!

And from my experiences working in offices, after you make a digital file you wind up printing it as well for whatever reason.
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tv is a daying service. when you can watch things on demand or steam it.

i'm just waiting for time warner and paramount making there own streaming service.

i know disney is. We won't need the disney channel anymore.
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It's more like, the conventional distribution model of television will be dead soon. On demand over IP is obviously the future.

TV will probably die in another generation.

TV subscriptions are just so awful in every way. I don't know why we put up with it. Why are we paying to watch advertisements? That still makes no sense.
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SinisterSlay posted...

TV will probably die in another generation.

TV subscriptions are just so awful in every way. I don't know why we put up with it. Why are we paying to watch advertisements? That still makes no sense.

TV will never die.
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SinisterSlay posted...

TV will probably die in another generation.

TV subscriptions are just so awful in every way. I don't know why we put up with it. Why are we paying to watch advertisements? That still makes no sense.

when every company under the sea wants their own streaming service and it's no better than tv once you add up all the price it'll take to get your shows spread across various streaming services

what will you say then?
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NightMareBunny posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

TV will probably die in another generation.

TV subscriptions are just so awful in every way. I don't know why we put up with it. Why are we paying to watch advertisements? That still makes no sense.

when every company under the sea wants their own streaming service and it's no better than tv once you add up all the price it'll take to get your shows spread across various streaming services

what will you say then?

The market will kinda kill that idea. Things tend to consolidate
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

However, statistics would seem to suggest the exact opposite of this prediction. In fact, in the last 20 years, paper consumption in the United States and Canada has increased from 92 million tons to a whopping 208 million tons. This is a 126% increase!

How much of that is consumed by offices? How much of that is recycled? How many more offices are there today than 20 years ago? How many tons of paper would be consumed if offices weren't paperless?
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