TAR Summer Topic 1 - A Reality Clash

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Peridiam 07/19/18 9:58:50 PM #201:	Inviso posted... Yeah. The season is good. I just hate how the same alliance has controlled the vote for three weeks and said alliance consists of the biggest duds in the house. Right, thats not my point. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905386719] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah. The season is good. I just hate how the same alliance has controlled the vote for three weeks and said alliance consists of the biggest duds in the house.</quote> Right, thats not my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/19/18 9:59:33 PM #202:	Wow, that was a really weird thing for Julie to say. To not only mention something specific that happened, but to mention names as well, it must have been really serious. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905386755] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Wow, that was a really weird thing for Julie to say. To not only mention something specific that happened, but to mention names as well, it must have been really serious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 10:07:42 PM #203:	Its dumb. Feels like pearl clutching. That said JC shouldnt probably say sensitive words on national TV like that. Itll never go over well. CBS is milking the publicity. They glossed over Angela/Rachel and JC from earlier, but now theyre having their cake? Consistency is key. JC was explaining that calling a little person a midget is akin to calling a black person the n-word. Except he says the n-word out loud. I believe he should be able to use the word in a descriptive, clinical sense, but at the same time he needs to impart more wisdom given the context of being on TV. But still, some people are outraged and Im not living for it. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905387192] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Its dumb. Feels like pearl clutching. That said JC shouldnt probably say sensitive words on national TV like that. Itll never go over well. CBS is milking the publicity. They glossed over Angela/Rachel and JC from earlier, but now theyre having their cake? Consistency is key. JC was explaining that calling a little person a midget is akin to calling a black person the n-word. Except he says the n-word out loud. I believe he should be able to use the word in a descriptive, clinical sense, but at the same time he needs to impart more wisdom given the context of being on TV. But still, some people are outraged and Im not living for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/19/18 10:24:45 PM #204:	Yikes. Yeah it is a little hypocritical that they decide to play up this one when they actively said that they would not show the Angela/Rachel, JC, and Kaitlyn incidents from earlier in the season. That being said, as far as JC's comments go, saying the word out loud in that context is bad, but I feel like the comparison, especially given today's sociopolitical climate, is even worse. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905388037] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Yikes. Yeah it is a little hypocritical that they decide to play up this one when they actively said that they would not show the Angela/Rachel, JC, and Kaitlyn incidents from earlier in the season. That being said, as far as JC's comments go, saying the word out loud in that context is bad, but I feel like the comparison, especially given today's sociopolitical climate, is even worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 07/19/18 10:31:03 PM #205:	Brett's ability to keep a straight face while she is yelling at him is incredible. --- GameFlux: Unofficial GameFAQs board browser <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:905388351] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Brett's ability to keep a straight face while she is yelling at him is incredible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/19/18 10:45:01 PM #206:	Peridiam posted... The point of the original BB5 backdoor was to completely prevent a player from being able to save themselves. It was easy to pull off in 5&6. Now with the random draw it just means if theyve played in the veto then they had the chance to save themselves, which isnt what the backdoor outlined. But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control" --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905388991] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>The point of the original BB5 backdoor was to completely prevent a player from being able to save themselves. It was easy to pull off in 5&6. Now with the random draw it just means if theyve played in the veto then they had the chance to save themselves, which isnt what the backdoor outlined.</quote> But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 07/19/18 11:06:42 PM #207:	Well that's entirely why they made the new veto draw so that there is a non-0 chance someone plays veto. --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:905390099] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Well that's entirely why they made the new veto draw so that there is a non-0 chance someone plays veto.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leafer 21 07/19/18 11:12:32 PM #208:	GTM posted... But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control" A backdoor only occurs when someone doesn't play in the veto and then are re-nommed. Playing in the veto (and losing) and then getting re-nommed isn't considered being backdoored. --- #FreeKyleDubas <cite>leafer 21 posted [p:905390399] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote>But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control"</quote> A backdoor only occurs when someone doesn't play in the veto and then are re-nommed. Playing in the veto (and losing) and then getting re-nommed isn't considered being backdoored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/19/18 11:18:02 PM #209:	leafer 21 posted... GTM posted... But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control" A backdoor only occurs when someone doesn't play in the veto and then are re-nommed. Playing in the veto (and losing) and then getting re-nommed isn't considered being backdoored. I guess I really don't understand the distinction, as a relative BB newbie. As long as the don't win the Veto I don't understand why it matters if they play in it just because that's how it went down the very first time the word was used. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905390696] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>leafer 21 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote>But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control"</quote> A backdoor only occurs when someone doesn't play in the veto and then are re-nommed. Playing in the veto (and losing) and then getting re-nommed isn't considered being backdoored.</quote> I guess I really don't understand the distinction, as a relative BB newbie. As long as the don't win the Veto I don't understand why it matters if they play in it just because that's how it went down the very first time the word was used.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 11:23:16 PM #210:	GTM posted... Peridiam posted... The point of the original BB5 backdoor was to completely prevent a player from being able to save themselves. It was easy to pull off in 5&6. Now with the random draw it just means if theyve played in the veto then they had the chance to save themselves, which isnt what the backdoor outlined. But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control" It's important because it's true to the definition. There's no deeper meaning. It's just... that's the definition. The 'classic' backdoor is still possible. It's just tougher to pull off with RNG. There's no term to describe what happens if you're the backdoor target but are selected to play in the veto. It's just not a backdoor anymore. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905390971] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>The point of the original BB5 backdoor was to completely prevent a player from being able to save themselves. It was easy to pull off in 5&6. Now with the random draw it just means if theyve played in the veto then they had the chance to save themselves, which isnt what the backdoor outlined.</quote> But why is that an important factor to the definition that BB historians get nitpicky about it? Like, can we say "the classic backdoor isn't possible anymore so this version of the backdoor (backdoor V2, let's say) has evolved and allows them to play in the veto because the veto draw is now beyond the HoH's control"</quote> It's important because it's true to the definition. There's no deeper meaning. It's just... that's the definition. The 'classic' backdoor is still possible. It's just tougher to pull off with RNG. There's no term to describe what happens if you're the backdoor target but are selected to play in the veto. It's just not a backdoor anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leafer 21 07/19/18 11:25:52 PM #211:	The difference is that being able to play in the veto gives you the opportunity to avoid being re-nommed, while being backdoored you don't have the ability to save yourself by winning the veto. --- #FreeKyleDubas <cite>leafer 21 posted [p:905391089] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>The difference is that being able to play in the veto gives you the opportunity to avoid being re-nommed, while being backdoored you don't have the ability to save yourself by winning the veto.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/19/18 11:27:53 PM #212:	I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905391202] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 11:33:00 PM #213:	I'm aware of the fact that language is fluid and words can change definition over time. If enough people use it one way then why not keep it that way? I believe the word "literally" had that happen recently. I'm just trying to keep the definition in tact because the backdoor plan was outlined from BB5 and the show has been true to its outline for many seasons, until suddenly it got muddled and misused by players who didn't know better. Amusingly production actually had all 8 players displayed in the 'backdoors' billboard from the first HoH of BB20 correctly using the term. None of those players were originally nominated, they didn't play in the veto, and then they were sent packing on eviction night. Whoever was in production was paying attention! Also Steve Moses from BB17 messaged me on Twitter to personally thank me for that video. It "sent him over the top" enough to where he wanted to reach out for it being accurate. :D --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905391451] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>I'm aware of the fact that language is fluid and words can change definition over time. If enough people use it one way then why not keep it that way? I believe the word "literally" had that happen recently. I'm just trying to keep the definition in tact because the backdoor plan was outlined from BB5 and the show has been true to its outline for many seasons, until suddenly it got muddled and misused by players who didn't know better. Amusingly production actually had all 8 players displayed in the 'backdoors' billboard from the first HoH of BB20 correctly using the term. None of those players were originally nominated, they didn't play in the veto, and then they were sent packing on eviction night. Whoever was in production was paying attention! Also Steve Moses from BB17 messaged me on Twitter to personally thank me for that video. It "sent him over the top" enough to where he wanted to reach out for it being accurate. :D</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/19/18 11:35:04 PM #214:	Peridiam posted... The 'classic' backdoor is still possible. It's just tougher to pull off with RNG. Is it? I thought the definition was to pick the three people so that the backdoor target has no shot. If it's RNG you're not really choosing the people. Oh I guess three houseguest choices? Ss I guess it is >_>; leafer 21 posted... The difference is that being able to play in the veto gives you the opportunity to avoid being re-nommed, while being backdoored you don't have the ability to save yourself by winning the veto. this explanation and the previous one just sounds like the answer to "what is a backdoor" is "it's when someone gets backdoored" --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905391567] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>The 'classic' backdoor is still possible. It's just tougher to pull off with RNG. </quote> Is it? I thought the definition was to pick the three people so that the backdoor target has no shot. If it's RNG you're not really choosing the people. Oh I guess three houseguest choices? Ss I guess it is >_>; <cite>leafer 21 posted...</cite> <quote>The difference is that being able to play in the veto gives you the opportunity to avoid being re-nommed, while being backdoored you don't have the ability to save yourself by winning the veto.</quote> this explanation and the previous one just sounds like the answer to "what is a backdoor" is "it's when someone gets backdoored"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 11:35:21 PM #215:	Underleveled posted... I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me. This is why it's been muddled over time. It's a small but important detail to the definition. For some reason people who don't know the difference want to call it a backdoor anyway. Create a new damn term already. Same thing with "floater". Holy hell. This is the #1 most misused term in BB and it's painful. I fully intend to go into detail with that one, because a lot of the best players have been floaters. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905391593] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me.</quote> This is why it's been muddled over time. It's a small but important detail to the definition. For some reason people who don't know the difference want to call it a backdoor anyway. Create a new damn term already. Same thing with "floater". Holy hell. This is the #1 most misused term in BB and it's painful. I fully intend to go into detail with that one, because a lot of the best players have been floaters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/19/18 11:36:54 PM #216:	Peridiam posted... Also Steve Moses from BB17 messaged me on Twitter to personally thank me for that video. It "sent him over the top" enough to where he wanted to reach out for it being accurate. :D congrats! --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905391670] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Also Steve Moses from BB17 messaged me on Twitter to personally thank me for that video. It "sent him over the top" enough to where he wanted to reach out for it being accurate. :D</quote> congrats!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/19/18 11:40:42 PM #217:	Peridiam posted... Underleveled posted... I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me. This is why it's been muddled over time. It's a small but important detail to the definition. I guess my thing is I still don't understand why that particular detail is so important when the result is still the same. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905391834] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me.</quote> This is why it's been muddled over time. It's a small but important detail to the definition.</quote> I guess my thing is I still don't understand why that particular detail is so important when the result is still the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 11:49:40 PM #218:	Underleveled posted... Peridiam posted... Underleveled posted... I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me. This is why it's been muddled over time. It's a small but important detail to the definition. I guess my thing is I still don't understand why that particular detail is so important when the result is still the same. Could you not say the same if the player is put up on the block at the nom ceremony and is evicted? The result is the same, they were still evicted. The answer, though, is because it's a technicality. Backdooring is a process that MUST have these steps play out: 1. Player isn't nominated at the nom ceremony 2. Player doesn't play in the veto comp 3. Player is renominated for eviction 4. Player is evicted If any one of those doesn't happen, it's not a backdoor. The original backdoor plan followed these same steps and in spite of the rule changes to picking players has always been this way. The problem is misinformed viewers/players ignore Step 2, despite it being a part of the plan since the start. Through every season it's been the same 4 steps. When one part of it gets foiled, it's no longer technically a backdoor. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905392316] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>I guess as someone who has only seen a few seasons that just seems like a really insignificant difference to me.</quote> This is why it's been muddled over time. It's a small but important detail to the definition.</quote> I guess my thing is I still don't understand why that particular detail is so important when the result is still the same.</quote> Could you not say the same if the player is put up on the block at the nom ceremony and is evicted? The result is the same, they were still evicted. The answer, though, is because it's a technicality. Backdooring is a process that MUST have these steps play out: 1. Player isn't nominated at the nom ceremony 2. Player doesn't play in the veto comp 3. Player is renominated for eviction 4. Player is evicted If any one of those doesn't happen, it's not a backdoor. The original backdoor plan followed these same steps and in spite of the rule changes to picking players has always been this way. The problem is misinformed viewers/players ignore Step 2, despite it being a part of the plan since the start. Through every season it's been the same 4 steps. When one part of it gets foiled, it's no longer technically a backdoor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/19/18 11:52:31 PM #219:	Just sounds really pedantic to me, especially since it's a player-coined term and not a production-coined term. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905392529] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Just sounds really pedantic to me, especially since it's a player-coined term and not a production-coined term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 07/19/18 11:54:43 PM #220:	Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception? --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:905392676] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 07/19/18 11:55:30 PM #221:	All this talk reminds me of the debates people had about the rules of the Noble Nine. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:905392716] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>All this talk reminds me of the debates people had about the rules of the Noble Nine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leafer 21 07/19/18 11:56:29 PM #222:	Peridiam posted... Same thing with "floater". Holy hell. This is the #1 most misused term in BB and it's painful. I fully intend to go into detail with that one, because a lot of the best players have been floaters. This bugs be more than anything else. --- #FreeKyleDubas <cite>leafer 21 posted [p:905392774] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Same thing with "floater". Holy hell. This is the #1 most misused term in BB and it's painful. I fully intend to go into detail with that one, because a lot of the best players have been floaters.</quote> This bugs be more than anything else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leafer 21 07/19/18 11:56:51 PM #223:	Inviso posted... Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception? 5 finger plan --- #FreeKyleDubas <cite>leafer 21 posted [p:905392795] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception?</quote> 5 finger plan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 11:57:54 PM #224:	The Why? is because it's true to the original plan. That's it. I've been saying this several times. >-> It's not some deep meaning. It's just... that was the original idea. Make sure the player doesn't play in the veto. If they do, it invalidates the original plan. Sure, the player can still go up and get evicted, but for technicalities sake it's not the same thing. The way the players were picked was never the crux of the plan. RNG or otherwise. So long as the person doesn't play in the veto, the backdoor can still happen. It's about ensuring they have no way to save themselves. You play in the veto, you CAN save yourself. At this point if it's not any clearer than I guess it'll never be. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905392860] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>The Why? is because it's true to the original plan. That's it. I've been saying this several times. >-> It's not some deep meaning. It's just... that was the original idea. Make sure the player doesn't play in the veto. If they do, it invalidates the original plan. Sure, the player can still go up and get evicted, but for technicalities sake it's not the same thing. The way the players were picked was never the crux of the plan. RNG or otherwise. So long as the person doesn't play in the veto, the backdoor can still happen. It's about ensuring they have no way to save themselves. You play in the veto, you CAN save yourself. At this point if it's not any clearer than I guess it'll never be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/19/18 11:58:40 PM #225:	leafer 21 posted... Inviso posted... Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception? 5 finger plan 6-finger! --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905392907] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>leafer 21 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception?</quote> 5 finger plan</quote> 6-finger!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leafer 21 07/20/18 12:01:50 AM #226:	shit you're right thanks --- #FreeKyleDubas <cite>leafer 21 posted [p:905393106] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>shit you're right thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 12:11:11 AM #227:	Underleveled posted... Just sounds really pedantic to me, especially since it's a player-coined term and not a production-coined term. I guess if you don't understand the point of the backdoor (to create a "no escape" situation), it comes across as pedantic. It's not production-coined though. Production was just on their game with their BB20 use of the term. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905393715] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>Just sounds really pedantic to me, especially since it's a player-coined term and not a production-coined term.</quote> I guess if you don't understand the point of the backdoor (to create a "no escape" situation), it comes across as pedantic. It's not production-coined though. Production was just on their game with their BB20 use of the term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 07/20/18 12:21:52 AM #228:	Okay humor me this I guess - if someone goes through all four of those steps and one of their allies, let's say their closest ally, has a power that can keep them in the game even after veto/eviction (ie Sam's extra life), but they choose not to use it, is it still a backdoor since there was still a potential escape for them? --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:905394288] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Okay humor me this I guess - if someone goes through all four of those steps and one of their allies, let's say their closest ally, has a power that can keep them in the game even after veto/eviction (ie Sam's extra life), but they choose not to use it, is it still a backdoor since there was still a potential escape for them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 07/20/18 12:22:51 AM #229:	backdooring is definitely when you leave someone off the block on purpose so that they don't automatically get to play in the veto the entire purpose of the strategy is to get out somebody who's good at comps. if they can't play veto, they can't use their comp ability to save themselves. it's been super overrused lately because people want to back door everyone, but if they aren't that good at comps its not really that needed. backdooring is risky because you might not get the chance to renominate your backdoor target if someone gets to play veto through chance though, i wouldn't be that strict about saying WELL NOW ITS NOT A BACKDOOR. i mean if that was the plan and they got to play through chance then the backdoor plan kinda lost out to the odds but it's still a backdoor plan one interesting twist on backdooring outside of just having the chance to win veto, is that if you plan to backdoor someone and they get into the veto comp through chance, they might think they are completely safe and throw the veto. that's still kind of a backdoor. they got nominated and evicted without realizing they needed to play to win. you could be super nitpicky and say that's not a backdoor because they had a chance to win still but it's just a more socially strategic backdoor. --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:905394334] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>backdooring is definitely when you leave someone off the block on purpose so that they don't automatically get to play in the veto the entire purpose of the strategy is to get out somebody who's good at comps. if they can't play veto, they can't use their comp ability to save themselves. it's been super overrused lately because people want to back door everyone, but if they aren't that good at comps its not really that needed. backdooring is risky because you might not get the chance to renominate your backdoor target if someone gets to play veto through chance though, i wouldn't be that strict about saying WELL NOW ITS NOT A BACKDOOR. i mean if that was the plan and they got to play through chance then the backdoor plan kinda lost out to the odds but it's still a backdoor plan one interesting twist on backdooring outside of just having the chance to win veto, is that if you plan to backdoor someone and they get into the veto comp through chance, they might think they are completely safe and throw the veto. that's still kind of a backdoor. they got nominated and evicted without realizing they needed to play to win. you could be super nitpicky and say that's not a backdoor because they had a chance to win still but it's just a more socially strategic backdoor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:32:35 AM #230:	Peridiam posted... Through every season it's been the same 4 steps. ??? --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905394818] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Through every season it's been the same 4 steps. </quote> ???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:37:07 AM #231:	Peridiam posted... At this point if it's not any clearer than I guess it'll never be. It's clear! Just disagree with the semantics, but I understand I'm not as big a BB fan as some. Like, I wouldnt say every hidden immunity idol after guatemala isn't an idol because it was originally defined as played before the vote. It's how it was defined originally. "No one knows you have it. Play it before the vote at the next tribal before the votes are cast. You're safe." --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905395058] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>At this point if it's not any clearer than I guess it'll never be. </quote> It's clear! Just disagree with the semantics, but I understand I'm not as big a BB fan as some. Like, I wouldnt say every hidden immunity idol after guatemala isn't an idol because it was originally defined as played before the vote. It's how it was defined originally. "No one knows you have it. Play it before the vote at the next tribal before the votes are cast. You're safe."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:38:50 AM #232:	And I feel like it isn't a big deal to call it a backdoor even if it breaks one of the definitions or even a backdoor variation. A super idol is still an idol, just with super in front of it, even if it breaks one of the rules of a traditional idol. --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905395128] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>And I feel like it isn't a big deal to call it a backdoor even if it breaks one of the definitions or even a backdoor variation. A super idol is still an idol, just with super in front of it, even if it breaks one of the rules of a traditional idol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 12:39:40 AM #233:	GTM posted... Peridiam posted... Through every season it's been the same 4 steps. ??? GTM you can't just assume I'll understand what this means!!! --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905395160] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Through every season it's been the same 4 steps. </quote> ???</quote> GTM you can't just assume I'll understand what this means!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 12:40:53 AM #234:	Underleveled posted... Okay humor me this I guess - if someone goes through all four of those steps and one of their allies, let's say their closest ally, has a power that can keep them in the game even after veto/eviction (ie Sam's extra life), but they choose not to use it, is it still a backdoor since there was still a potential escape for them? Yeah, that's still a backdoor. Even if someone gets backdoored this week and then Sam's extra life brings them back, they were still backdoored. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905395219] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>Okay humor me this I guess - if someone goes through all four of those steps and one of their allies, let's say their closest ally, has a power that can keep them in the game even after veto/eviction (ie Sam's extra life), but they choose not to use it, is it still a backdoor since there was still a potential escape for them?</quote> Yeah, that's still a backdoor. Even if someone gets backdoored this week and then Sam's extra life brings them back, they were still backdoored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:43:47 AM #235:	Peridiam posted... Even if someone gets backdoored this week and then Sam's extra life brings them back, they were still backdoored. I say that's a backdoor because they actually leave the house and come back, as opposed to, if say, there was an idol you can reveal after the votes are cast and you dont actually leave the house. --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905395346] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Even if someone gets backdoored this week and then Sam's extra life brings them back, they were still backdoored. </quote> I say that's a backdoor because they actually leave the house and come back, as opposed to, if say, there was an idol you can reveal after the votes are cast and you dont actually leave the house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 12:44:44 AM #236:	GTM posted... Peridiam posted... At this point if it's not any clearer than I guess it'll never be. It's clear! Just disagree with the semantics, but I understand I'm not as big a BB fan as some. Like, I wouldnt say every hidden immunity idol after guatemala isn't an idol because it was originally defined as played before the vote. It's how it was defined originally. "No one knows you have it. Play it before the vote at the next tribal before the votes are cast. You're safe." The semantics are important though!!! GTM posted... And I feel like it isn't a big deal to call it a backdoor even if it breaks one of the definitions or even a backdoor variation. There's only one definition though. >_> anyway i get it --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905395383] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>At this point if it's not any clearer than I guess it'll never be. </quote> It's clear! Just disagree with the semantics, but I understand I'm not as big a BB fan as some. Like, I wouldnt say every hidden immunity idol after guatemala isn't an idol because it was originally defined as played before the vote. It's how it was defined originally. "No one knows you have it. Play it before the vote at the next tribal before the votes are cast. You're safe."</quote> The semantics are important though!!! <cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote>And I feel like it isn't a big deal to call it a backdoor even if it breaks one of the definitions or even a backdoor variation.</quote> There's only one definition though. >_> anyway i get it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:47:02 AM #237:	Peridiam posted... GTM you can't just assume I'll understand what this means!!! Sorry just had a bit of trouble realizing that you probably meant that the hardcore fans kept the same 4 steps, not how BB defines in some sort of official terminology thing. --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905395475] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>GTM you can't just assume I'll understand what this means!!! </quote> Sorry just had a bit of trouble realizing that you probably meant that the hardcore fans kept the same 4 steps, not how BB defines in some sort of official terminology thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 12:47:14 AM #238:	GTM posted... Peridiam posted... Even if someone gets backdoored this week and then Sam's extra life brings them back, they were still backdoored. I say that's a backdoor because they actually leave the house and come back, as opposed to, if say, there was an idol you can reveal after the votes are cast and you dont actually leave the house. Well yeah, the person has to get evicted. They get evicted (through a backdoor in this scenario), then Sam's power gives them a chance to go back into the house. The backdoor still happened. They could just as well get backdoored again (like Cody last season). --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905395486] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>GTM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Even if someone gets backdoored this week and then Sam's extra life brings them back, they were still backdoored. </quote> I say that's a backdoor because they actually leave the house and come back, as opposed to, if say, there was an idol you can reveal after the votes are cast and you dont actually leave the house.</quote> Well yeah, the person has to get evicted. They get evicted (through a backdoor in this scenario), then Sam's power gives them a chance to go back into the house. The backdoor still happened. They could just as well get backdoored again (like Cody last season).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:47:52 AM #239:	Peridiam posted... anyway i get it agree to disagree, handshake --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905395510] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>anyway i get it </quote> agree to disagree, handshake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 07/20/18 12:49:32 AM #240:	and yes I know im disagreeing with a definition --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:905395569] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>and yes I know im disagreeing with a definition</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 12:50:37 AM #241:	https://i0.wp.com/www.purplerockpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/survivor-cagayan-sarah-tony-fist-bump.gif?resize=432%2C242 --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905395619] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>https://i0.wp.com/www.purplerockpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/survivor-cagayan-sarah-tony-fist-bump.gif?resize=432%2C242</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 07/20/18 12:58:43 AM #242:	I enjoy that the votes are continuing to be close, but I also have to say I love that the same people just keep getting blindsided by the vote every week. It's just funny. --- BK_Sheikah? More like BYIG_Sheikah. https://imgur.com/gw03gl7 - Number of people that D'awwed: 102 <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:905395949] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>I enjoy that the votes are continuing to be close, but I also have to say I love that the same people just keep getting blindsided by the vote every week. It's just funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 1:14:09 AM #243:	live feeds are all over the place --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905396510] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>live feeds are all over the place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 07/20/18 1:29:22 AM #244:	just saw the episode man Brett is incredible his speeches are great, but wow was that awesome after the eviction. Rockstar is losing her mind on Tyler and Brett just calmly looks at her and says "oh, you aren't gonna own it????" it took me a second to realize that he is actually acting like the "Rockstar is gonna flip the vote" plan was real. he's asking if she's gonna own her vote to evict Winston. completely straightfaced. she looked like an absolute crazy person. A+ see you next time brett --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:905397107] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>just saw the episode man Brett is incredible his speeches are great, but wow was that awesome after the eviction. Rockstar is losing her mind on Tyler and Brett just calmly looks at her and says "oh, you aren't gonna own it????" it took me a second to realize that he is actually acting like the "Rockstar is gonna flip the vote" plan was real. he's asking if she's gonna own her vote to evict Winston. completely straightfaced. she looked like an absolute crazy person. A+ see you next time brett</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 3:45:51 AM #245:	4 hours of watching the live feeds later and ~~yeah, FOUTTE couldn't find their way out of a paper bag~~ ~~somehow a level 6 member gets voted out and the other side falls apart~~ --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905401147] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>4 hours of watching the live feeds later and yeah, FOUTTE couldn't find their way out of a paper bag somehow a level 6 member gets voted out and the other side falls apart</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 07/20/18 5:59:01 AM #246:	~~Rockstar delivering some Josh Martinez realness to boring douchebag Brett <3~~ --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:905403856] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Rockstar delivering some Josh Martinez realness to boring douchebag Brett <3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 07/20/18 8:52:02 AM #247:	Also, I just realized... Happy birthday to me and Rockstars daughter! --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:905407985] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Also, I just realized... Happy birthday to me and Rockstars daughter!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 07/20/18 9:45:08 AM #248:	leafer 21 posted... Inviso posted... Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception? 5 finger plan 6 finger plan --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:905409821] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote><cite>leafer 21 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't it not even called backdooring back during its inception?</quote> 5 finger plan</quote> 6 finger plan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 1:04:23 PM #249:	Apparently missed Rockstar doing the oh-so-enjoyably-overdone pots and pans to Brett, saying he has a "micro penis" over and over. Well, at least she's bringing the drama and isn't turning into a wallflower. That said, the persecution complex, "white male privilege" angle, it feels too forced and misplaced. Like it's happening for the sake of it, instead of actually because of it. I don't know if me being liberal (mostly)/feminist/etc. makes a difference from my critical lens, because I'm also white and male, but I don't condone her critical assessment of the situation here. I WANT to be on the same page as her because I often am, but the substance behind her judgment in this case is... shallow, and her execution is immature. Brett hasn't socialized much with her but at the same time he's done nothing else to instigate the ire outside of attempting to blow up her game last night. He's truly not a "bully" like she wants to label him. I was bullied in school (to an extent, nothing crazy) - and it sucked - but Brett is not that guy. Or at least not from what I've seen so far. I believe she thinks Brett represents an archetype of a person she loathes, instead of actually being that person. Last night she kept going off on frustrating rants based on the premise that Brett is "constantly getting his way in 2018". She says "How is it possible a straight, white, male is constantly getting his way in 2018?" It's because he's in a dominant alliance that controls the swing votes, girl. That she resorts to this shallow line of thinking as her default is VERY disappointing. There are smarter ways to approach this situation but her MO spoils the broth that is what actual social justice stands up for. She draws ire with so many fans because of her approach and her flawed analysis. It also doesn't help that she's pretty bad at the game too (and is threatening quitting because she doesn't get her way). This is my own little rant but I just want to bring up the line of thinking Rockstar has and why I disagree with it in this case, despite actually agreeing with it in the big picture. If I'm wrong in some way with my assessment of this, I don't mind be corrected. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905419255] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Apparently missed Rockstar doing the oh-so-enjoyably-overdone pots and pans to Brett, saying he has a "micro penis" over and over. Well, at least she's bringing the drama and isn't turning into a wallflower. That said, the persecution complex, "white male privilege" angle, it feels too forced and misplaced. Like it's happening for the sake of it, instead of actually because of it. I don't know if me being liberal (mostly)/feminist/etc. makes a difference from my critical lens, because I'm also white and male, but I don't condone her critical assessment of the situation here. I WANT to be on the same page as her because I often am, but the substance behind her judgment in this case is... shallow, and her execution is immature. Brett hasn't socialized much with her but at the same time he's done nothing else to instigate the ire outside of attempting to blow up her game last night. He's truly not a "bully" like she wants to label him. I was bullied in school (to an extent, nothing crazy) - and it sucked - but Brett is not that guy. Or at least not from what I've seen so far. I believe she thinks Brett represents an archetype of a person she loathes, instead of actually being that person. Last night she kept going off on frustrating rants based on the premise that Brett is "constantly getting his way in 2018". She says "How is it possible a straight, white, male is constantly getting his way in 2018?" It's because he's in a dominant alliance that controls the swing votes, girl. That she resorts to this shallow line of thinking as her default is VERY disappointing. There are smarter ways to approach this situation but her MO spoils the broth that is what actual social justice stands up for. She draws ire with so many fans because of her approach and her flawed analysis. It also doesn't help that she's pretty bad at the game too (and is threatening quitting because she doesn't get her way). This is my own little rant but I just want to bring up the line of thinking Rockstar has and why I disagree with it in this case, despite actually agreeing with it in the big picture. If I'm wrong in some way with my assessment of this, I don't mind be corrected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 07/20/18 1:24:33 PM #250:	Not sure if you guys are following the news for Survivor 38 but the latest update via Redmond is truly... something else. http://insidesurvivor.com/rumor-season-38-theme-and-title-34310 --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:905420336] in Survivor/B... [t:76769618]...</cite> <quote>Not sure if you guys are following the news for Survivor 38 but the latest update via Redmond is truly... something else. http://insidesurvivor.com/rumor-season-38-theme-and-title-34310</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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