Board 8 > Survivor/BB/TAR Summer Topic 1 - A Reality Clash

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Yeah I've kinda been saying that all topic. Just decided to actually say boyfriend this time.
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she was panicking and was all "rotate rotate rotate" when she should've flipped
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Xuxon posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Wtf did they just play FFIX music on BB? I'm behind, talking about the scene at 8:06/8:07 ET when Kaitlyn is crying before Fessy walks in. Sounded like Freya's Theme.

i noticed that too. not quite the same, but close.

Good enough to know I'm not crazy and just imagined it? :D (lol sorry just fucked up and wanting to be sure I understand stuff)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBrother/comments/927t6f/peridiam_almost_predicted_the_brett_vs_rockstar/
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almost used loosely
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Kaitlyn is pretty close to Rockstar
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I just started BB8 on my big brother watch. And just from listening to RHAP I know Eric and Dick. But lets see how this goes cause I loved All-Stars
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Which seasons havent you seen eaed?
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HoH spoilers: Bayleigh won, so we could be in for an interesting "who knows what's going to happen" week. Also man Level 6 sucks at competitions.
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Peridiam posted...

Which seasons haven?t you seen eaed?

I haven't seen any Big Brother until my buddies at my old job had me watch BB18. So I started at 2 and have now just started 8. So having seen 18, 19 I've seen half!
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CoolCly posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBrother/comments/927t6f/peridiam_almost_predicted_the_brett_vs_rockstar/

This actually explains a lot. Brett vs. Rockstar reminds me a lot of BB10 Jessie vs. Libra.
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Post-show from last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37xcboO9T1c" data-time="

Spoiler tags just in case but my goodness, Kaitlyn is bonkers. One, she talks about "female empowerment" - as in, it's okay for her to almost rape Brett, yet it's not okay for a man to sexually assault a woman? She's a hypocrite to think it's "empowering" to be a sex offender - talk about double standards. Two, does she understand just how Tyler played her like a fiddle? And three... is it bad that I can't wait to find out how she'll react to discovering that her boyfriend dumped her for being a mentally unstable slut?

As for the HoH... this is going to be so interesting with Bayleigh in charge. I am thinking she might put up Brett and Tyler. I mean, that's what she SHOULD do - Tyler is the kingpin and Brett is the enforcer who stirs things up (like with Rockstar). Kaycee would work also since she's a chameleon. Bayleigh should recognize that Angela/Rachel are a pair and work with them - why break up that pair now when someone else can do it for her later? This is the second-best possible outcome for entertainment - the only superior one being a Level 6 member winning HOH, getting extremely paranoid, and putting up someone from their alliance and literally everything completely turning on its head because of that.
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Eh, that wasn't that bad.

Also, I think Baeleigh is likely to try and reintegrate herself with the L6 women but Idk if she's going to jump for targeting Tyler right away because she kept saying she "wanted to backdoor Kaitlyn and if she can't backdoor Kaitlyn then Tyler" so I think we will see Brett and a pawn and then Tyler will attempt to be backdoored but he will save himself using "The Cloud" which is basically only helpful to save from a backdoor.
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I actually hope they have she show psychologist on hand for her when she finds out. I'm actually a little bit afraid that she might lose her cool and do something stupid.
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Underleveled posted...

I actually hope they have she show psychologist on hand for her when she finds out. I'm actually a little bit afraid that she might lose her cool and do something stupid.

Her "spirit guides" will show her "the way" and that's a scary thing. Her "spirits" are really her uncontrollable emotions. She's already guilty of sexually assaulting Brett. She's bound to do something else crazy and illegal. She probably needs a new medication because it's clear she has some sort of emotional disorder, possibly schizophrenia (those "spirits" could be the voices in her head), Reactive Attachment Disorder, Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder, and/or some sort of emotional dysregulation disorder (the type which includes Borderline Personality Disorder). I've seen some pretty emotionally messed up teenagers in the medical records I sort... but I don't think I've seen any quite like Kaitlyn. I hope she can get the treatment she needs. I pity her, honestly.

I also hope the feeds stay epic with the drama queen gone. I REALLY want to know how the house reacted to nobody returning. Per the script, the episode was supposed to end with her re-entering the house. "Oops."
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HoH spoilers: Bay just told Rachel all about her power app. Everything about it. She said she wants to use it against Tyler/Scottie in the future. She wants to work with Rachel.

Rachel does not come across as committed to working with Bay as Bay does with Rachel. I wouldn't be surprised if Rachel spills this to L6 soon.

Immediately after Bay told Rachel she said "I just fucked my game" with Rachel right in front of her -- basically saying she doesn't fully trust Rachel. And then after Rachel left the HoH Bay says to herself "What is wrong with me? Why do I talk so much?"

-_-
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Re: Peridiam's post
Bay either lied or misremembered that the power is only good through final 9 (it's good through 8), but otherwise told Rachel 100% accurate information. And that "I just fucked my game" was really, really stupid. Rachel is probably already telling Angela about it. She MIGHT just keep it to Angela (her ride or die), but if she tells Tyler... yeah that's not good for Bay. Hopefully Rachel is smart about this and doesn't make herself a target, because I like Rachel. And Bay... well she should have kept that a secret. Or, at the very least, used it as a currency of trust. "I trust you enough to tell you that I have an app power. I will tell you what it is if you can prove that I can trust you 100%." I don't think this HOH is going to go well for Bay, lol.
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Re: Kaitlyn stuff

I don't think it's right to criticize her for her spirituality, but she is obviously mentally unstable, maybe even bipolar, which makes me afraid of her reaction.
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After thinking about it a little...Rockstar's really not wrong about Brett and the show kinda proved it.

In reality, the flip to take out Kaitlyn was mainly on Angela, pushing to keep Rockstar around since Rockstar could be trusted more to go after the guys than after the girls. On the show however, they had that cringeworthy scene of Rockstar trying to strategize with Brett, followed by them making it look like Brett was calling the shots in terms of switching the vote to Kaitlyn. Keep in mind that Angela has gotten almost NO edit thus far this season, and this could've been a breakout moment, yet the editors still felt it necessary to give all discussion to Brett, and then Tyler in opposition to the vote.

I'm just sayin'...guys like him DO have a tendency to "win" in the eyes of society.
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On the other hand, it's Angela
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GTM posted...

On the other hand, it's Angela

Shes just as interesting as Brett.
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Kaitlyn sexually assaulted Brett so I can't blame him for acting the way he did.

Also, Peridiam - good choice for the worst BB player ever, and one I'd forgotten all about because it's BB9. Worst move ever is squarely on Marcellas, but that doesn't undermine that he got that far in the first place.
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Andy, would you say Marcellas move was worse than Lawons? Or worse than Codys (taking Derrick)? Also why? Just curious.
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Just finished the F6 and F5 episodes of Exile Island. It's amazing to me how much more impact the family visits had back in the day, when the editors actually gave a shit about building people up as human beings rather than chess pieces.
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Inviso posted...

After thinking about it a little...Rockstar's really not wrong about Brett and the show kinda proved it.

In reality, the flip to take out Kaitlyn was mainly on Angela, pushing to keep Rockstar around since Rockstar could be trusted more to go after the guys than after the girls. On the show however, they had that cringeworthy scene of Rockstar trying to strategize with Brett, followed by them making it look like Brett was calling the shots in terms of switching the vote to Kaitlyn. Keep in mind that Angela has gotten almost NO edit thus far this season, and this could've been a breakout moment, yet the editors still felt it necessary to give all discussion to Brett, and then Tyler in opposition to the vote.

I'm just sayin'...guys like him DO have a tendency to "win" in the eyes of society.

Youre not blaming Brett for this though, right? This is the editors fault for not giving us the right story.
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Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

After thinking about it a little...Rockstar's really not wrong about Brett and the show kinda proved it.

In reality, the flip to take out Kaitlyn was mainly on Angela, pushing to keep Rockstar around since Rockstar could be trusted more to go after the guys than after the girls. On the show however, they had that cringeworthy scene of Rockstar trying to strategize with Brett, followed by them making it look like Brett was calling the shots in terms of switching the vote to Kaitlyn. Keep in mind that Angela has gotten almost NO edit thus far this season, and this could've been a breakout moment, yet the editors still felt it necessary to give all discussion to Brett, and then Tyler in opposition to the vote.

I'm just sayin'...guys like him DO have a tendency to "win" in the eyes of society.

Youre not blaming Brett for this though, right? This is the editors fault for not giving us the right story.

I suppose not. But the editors are certainly giving credit to one archetype over another, and it's not like this is the first time such events have been misrepresented in this way.
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Right, but this is the issue, and why she isnt right. Rockstar resented Brett for his archetype, not for his character. Hes a straight while male and thus needs to be eradicated for being as such. He was winning because his alliance held the power, and she blamed his archetype for it.

That said since then theyre actually both pretty cordial. Kiss and made up.

The editors are a different story. Thats not Bretts fault and the need to take him out for an example such as that is a seemingly ugly rationale.
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Peridiam posted...

Right, but this is the issue, and why she isnt right. Rockstar resented Brett for his archetype, not for his character. Hes a straight while male and thus needs to be eradicated for being as such. He was winning because his alliance held the power, and she blamed his archetype for it.

That said since then theyre actually both pretty cordial. Kiss and made up.

The editors are a different story. Thats not Bretts fault and the need to take him out for an example such as that is a seemingly ugly rationale.

Brett, a bland, generic white alpha male, is given credit by the editors for an event that was instigated by Angela, a similarly bland, generic white alpha female. This is but one example of such an occurrence, and it's part of an ongoing trend of men getting credit for women's actions. This creates a feedback loop where men are automatically perceived as bigger threats, leading to positive and negative consequences: positive in that they get a ton of credit and less blowback should they make the endgame, negative in that they're viewed as bigger targets for elimination even if they're less threatening in reality than their female counterparts. So Rockstar, while an obnoxious caricature of what conservatives view all liberals to be, is not wrong about Brett, and the edit of last week's boot is just an example of how society reaffirms her claims.
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Underleveled posted...

CoolCly posted...

Peridiam posted...

I believe she thinks Brett represents an archetype of a person she loathes, instead of actually being that person.

Just like the people in this topic!

I haven't watched any of what's happened since the episode but it does sound consistent with her attitude in the past. She's always looking for a reason outside of herself to blame for her poor position in the game. It's like when she complained to Kaitlyn for siding against Swaggy that "I don't talk to anyone on the other side of the house like you do!!" as a reason why Kaitlyn is screwing her over by working with the other side. Except... you could just try talking to the other side Rockstar. Go talk to Rachel. She'll talk with you back. I promise.

But unfortunately Rachel is one cool kids so that means Rockstar can't be friends with her.

Let's be clear, I never said Brett was a bully, I said he was a boring douchbag.

That being said, it is very telling that he is only socializing with the pretty, popular people, and that he is choosing to be especially harsh on the eccentrics/outcasts, borderline threatening Scottie, and then trying to scapegoat Rockstar, the weirdo of FOUTTE, instead of Bayleigh, who the other alliance has already had issues with, Haleigh, who has already been under suspicion of flipping before, or Faysal, who could beat him up.

Falls in line with his intro where he labels his coworkers as nerds who he would never socialize with despite never even giving them a chance.

So, the interesting thing about this post is that it's responding directly to the conversation where Peridiam talks extensively about how Rockstar doesn't know Brett at all. She hates him because of this idea she has in her head about a person she knows in her life, or a type of person she believes exists. She doesn't really have any reason to believe Brett is that person. Brett doesn't do any of the things she says he does or says he is. he's just A) White B) Young C) Very Fit and D) On the other side of the house from her. That means he must be the horrible person she's familiar with.

But that's not really Brett. He's not a bully or winning because of privilige. I mean he was on the block with his best ally who went home, who shares all of his characteristics. How is that winning?

And we have all these posts doing the same thing Rockstar is. It doesn't even matter when Brett does something hilarious or entertaining or even *clever*, he's so judged that he must be part of this archetype that you guys can't even bring yourselves to admit it.
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Inviso posted...

After thinking about it a little...Rockstar's really not wrong about Brett and the show kinda proved it.

In reality, the flip to take out Kaitlyn was mainly on Angela, pushing to keep Rockstar around since Rockstar could be trusted more to go after the guys than after the girls. On the show however, they had that cringeworthy scene of Rockstar trying to strategize with Brett, followed by them making it look like Brett was calling the shots in terms of switching the vote to Kaitlyn. Keep in mind that Angela has gotten almost NO edit thus far this season, and this could've been a breakout moment, yet the editors still felt it necessary to give all discussion to Brett, and then Tyler in opposition to the vote.

I'm just sayin'...guys like him DO have a tendency to "win" in the eyes of society.

Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Right, but this is the issue, and why she isnt right. Rockstar resented Brett for his archetype, not for his character. Hes a straight while male and thus needs to be eradicated for being as such. He was winning because his alliance held the power, and she blamed his archetype for it.

That said since then theyre actually both pretty cordial. Kiss and made up.

The editors are a different story. Thats not Bretts fault and the need to take him out for an example such as that is a seemingly ugly rationale.

Brett, a bland, generic white alpha male, is given credit by the editors for an event that was instigated by Angela, a similarly bland, generic white alpha female. This is but one example of such an occurrence, and it's part of an ongoing trend of men getting credit for women's actions. This creates a feedback loop where men are automatically perceived as bigger threats, leading to positive and negative consequences: positive in that they get a ton of credit and less blowback should they make the endgame, negative in that they're viewed as bigger targets for elimination even if they're less threatening in reality than their female counterparts. So Rockstar, while an obnoxious caricature of what conservatives view all liberals to be, is not wrong about Brett, and the edit of last week's boot is just an example of how society reaffirms her claims.

and man here we are with these posts. you guys just can't help yourselves

if someone entertaining like Brett can't amuse you then what are you even looking for
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Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Right, but this is the issue, and why she isnt right. Rockstar resented Brett for his archetype, not for his character. Hes a straight while male and thus needs to be eradicated for being as such. He was winning because his alliance held the power, and she blamed his archetype for it.

That said since then theyre actually both pretty cordial. Kiss and made up.

The editors are a different story. Thats not Bretts fault and the need to take him out for an example such as that is a seemingly ugly rationale.

Brett, a bland, generic white alpha male, is given credit by the editors for an event that was instigated by Angela, a similarly bland, generic white alpha female. This is but one example of such an occurrence, and it's part of an ongoing trend of men getting credit for women's actions. This creates a feedback loop where men are automatically perceived as bigger threats, leading to positive and negative consequences: positive in that they get a ton of credit and less blowback should they make the endgame, negative in that they're viewed as bigger targets for elimination even if they're less threatening in reality than their female counterparts. So Rockstar, while an obnoxious caricature of what conservatives view all liberals to be, is not wrong about Brett, and the edit of last week's boot is just an example of how society reaffirms her claims.

Right, but dont hold what the editors do against Brett. Just because the editors favored him in this instance doesnt mean Rockstar is right, which was your initial claim.
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And I get the logic. Brett is receiving unjustified favoritism. -> Rockstar is right for saying he wins when he shouldnt, here is an example.

But thats not fair to Brett, and we know it. And I dont think less of him for it, particularly in the first few weeks when all of this was relevant.
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Also Bayleigh is an amusing HoH from a gameplay perspective but her entitled mindset is coming out hard and has me not liking her.

You dont call JC a little thing saying youre going to step on him. You dont call Scottie an albino snake.

A trend emerges. The HoH-itis is real.
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Spoilerd
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Damnit spoilers
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Oh well i can listen to the friday live feed update now to see how taran feels about the kaitlyn boot without fear of spoilers
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Peridiam posted...

Andy, would you say Marcellas move was worse than Lawons? Or worse than Codys (taking Derrick)? Also why? Just curious.

It's definitely worse than Lawon's. Lawon thought for some reason that there'd be some "power" to an evicted Houseguest. While we know he was wrong, he at least had reason to do the stupid thing he did - a reason that actually makes some sense given how the Coup had been a thing in BB11. Still absurd that an evicted Houseguest would get such a thing, however. Marcellas... had no reason to not use the Veto on himself. All Danielle did was "promise him" she wouldn't vote to evict ihm. So while Lawon was dumb, his reason checks out far better than Marcellas' ever did.

Evel Dick called Mike Dutz "dumber than Marcellas" in BB8 when the idiot, in the endurance Veto comp where the rest of the cast got to taunt whoever they pleased, started taunting Dick when it was just him and Jenuine left. Seeing as Mike was the only person taunting him, Dick said "Fuck it" and got off, knowing his replacement nominee asked for it. I don't think Mike was dumber than Marcellas. I think it's close - he's top five and gets forgotten since that happened early in the season, however.

Cody C taking Derrick was also stupid, but while he's the Woo of Big Brother for it, I don't feel that he's AS dumb as Woo. He's close, certainly, but I chalk that up to the behavior exhibited before then (Woo acted far more clueless the entire time than Cody ever did) and that Tony manipulated Woo into playing the honor card while Cody simply did it out of his nature. Even so... he cost himself the money SOLELY by doing that.

So maybe Cody Calafiore took the throne from Marcellas. Hmmm... for SINGLE MOVES:

1. Cody C taking Derrick over Princess Victoria
2. Marcellas not using the Veto on himself
3. Mike D convincing Evel Dick to put him up as a replacement nom
4. Jacob publicly calling the HOH in a known Instant Eviction "a snake"
5. Lawon asking to be evicted thinking it'd get him a power

Jacob didn't do a single thing right, however. Worst thing he did was sleeping around - and it ended up coming back to bite his butt in Big Brother.
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Peridiam posted...

You dont call JC a little thing saying youre going to step on him. You dont call Scottie an albino snake.

And this is coming from someone who complains about N-word use. She's a fucking hypocrite.

The only HoH to not get HoH-itis so far is Tyler. And that was largely because he was the first one and knew that, as the first HoH, you don't want to get any blood on your hands. You do that and you're gone FAST. Let somebody else take the first shot.

Also yes, per protocol, please use spoiler tags for anything from the feeds that has yet to be revealed in an episode.
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Another thing to consider with Marcellas though, as dumb as his move was, the "golden" veto had no precedent at that point. Veto was new that season and "golden" was new that week. Every other veto prior could not be used on the holder even if they were a nominee, and no nominee had won it before Marcellas. His move is still dumb, but it's more shortsighted dumb. If someone did the same thing today, it would be exponentially stupider because everyone knows the basics of the game by now. Back then, it wasn't the basics yet. Marcellas was the first player to ever have the opportunity to veto themselves off the block. Intuitively, he should have known "better safe than sorry" but saying it was the dumbest move ever would be like saying the dumbest survivor move ever was Pagong all voting individually at the merge. Bad move? Yes, but there was no blueprint of how to succeed at the game. Hindsight is 20/20.

I think Mike was worse. He was warned "you don't knock it off, you're going up." He ignored that and his reasoning was "even if I go up, I can plead that my dumb move was out of loyalty and therefore I should stay because I've proven to keep my word." That logic doesn't hold up in game that's 8 seasons in. Marcellas' logic wasn't better by any means, but in Mike's case, more resources were available on what to do or not do in the game. Marcellas was presented a situation that was at the time unique and he made the wrong choice. He let emotion make his decision instead of logic. That happens. Mike used counterintuitive garbage logic and ignored a direct warning from the person whose hands his fate was in. it was like running across a busy highway using the logic "well if I get hit by a car, I've got an insurance settlement coming my way. Free money! If not? Meh. No harm done."
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peridiam is usually good with spoilers, he knows.
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Unrelated... watching season 5 of Survivor South Africa. Just started episode 10 (11/20 castaways remain). Seems like a good time to merge. I can tell before the fact that I'm 11 minutes in and they are still recapping >_>. Like... I can appreciate a recap ahead of a merge, but jeez Louise...
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So I haven't watched any of those moments but Marcellas but it has my understanding, and I believe Derrick said this on RHAP, that a lot of their alliance would have voted against Cody if he took Victoria.
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Yeah I completely forgot about spoilers. My bad. Deleted the post.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

So I haven't watched any of those moments but Marcellas but it has my understanding, and I believe Derrick said this on RHAP, that a lot of their alliance would have voted against Cody if he took Victoria.

This was Derrick's doing too. He actually pulled a mega-honor card by convincing most of the bomb squad to vote for Victoria if anyone took her to the end. Apparently they were sticking to it -- though we'll never know for sure.

I personally think it's a bit bogus. When you watch the BB16 jury roundtable you'll notice the disdain for Victoria is way too strong. There's no way Zach, Hayden, Frankie, or Christine are not voting for Cody there. Victoria definitely get Donny/Jocasta, potentially Nicole too (though given Nicole's track record with women...). Caleb could also vote Victoria, not sure.

It might come down to Derrick. I would expect him to reward Cody given his honor card was merely a ploy to keep himself in the final two in the event he lost the final HoH.
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First 14 minutes of Australian Survivor Season 3 are out: http://bit.ly/2OqqXeQ

It's no longer a spoiler so I'm not gonna bother: Russell Hantz is back.
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Yeah that was spoiled officially earlier this week, apparently he was definitively spotted in the background on another player's profile pic.

But I guess now it's official official.

Can't say I'm happy but can't say it bothers me since I haven't watched the Australian version.

Of course, now I HAVE to if I don't ever want to get spoiled because I'm sure there's no way I won't learn that Russell loses.
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Underleveled posted...

Of course, now I HAVE to if I don't ever want to get spoiled because I'm sure there's no way I won't learn that Russell loses.

I haven't even seen the video linked yet (I'll wait until Wednesday to see the whole episode at once) and I will guarantee he doesn't win. Seriously doubt he even makes the merge, but it depends how cocky he plays it, and it sounds like he's going to play similarly to usual. He will likely get a lot of screen time in his 3-4 episodes though.
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I don't know that he'll be out early. All the people who seem to know him are on the other tribe. I could see him going somewhat far if the Champions get a big numbers advantage before the swap or merge.
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I know that I've made my feelings on Brett known, but can we at least agree that, in a season where all the comps are internet-themed, having a "cyber security expert" talking about how every comp is great for him as a cyber security expert, is kinda annoying?
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All I find annoying is Rockstars weird accent in the DR.
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