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NibeIungsnarf
07/11/18 10:56:03 AM
#253:


FrisbeeDude posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Still don't get why anyone is defending her. A guy refutes her rather politely and then she goes off on him. In any other business she would have been fired. Why is it wrong here?


her peers coming out in support of her suggests she could have done what she did at several companies and maybe gotten a talking to or her company reinforcing its employee policy regarding employee interaction with people on social media (see: what happened to Jemele Hill of ESPN, even though they acted like cowards, it's still better than this)

it's her bad luck she worked for a company that capitulated to butthurt gamerbros crying about some feminist double standards, but the reaction from the industry suggests she'll be alright

So basically you admit she was in the wrong (even though you still seem to be pretending she was a victim of harassment) you're just taking issue that the owner of the company responded a bit harsher than you would and that's somehow grounds for creating a shitstorm.
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voldothegr8
07/11/18 10:56:44 AM
#254:


CookieMarvin posted...
https://twitter.com/opxspace/status/1016873103840796672

"We 100% stand behind employees who treat our customers like shit"
Not a good look. It's like these people just ignore she has a documented history of being shitty and was fired in the past for it.
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 10:57:14 AM
#255:


MrPeppers posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Still don't get why anyone is defending her. A guy refutes her rather politely and then she goes off on him. In any other business she would have been fired. Why is it wrong here?


her peers coming out in support of her suggests she could have done what she did at several companies and maybe gotten a talking to or her company reinforcing its employee policy regarding employee interaction with people on social media (see: what happened to Jemele Hill of ESPN, even though they acted like cowards, it's still better than this)

it's her bad luck she worked for a company that capitulated to butthurt gamerbros crying about some feminist double standards, but the reaction from the industry suggests she'll be alright


How many lifetime warnings does one need for being grossly unprofessional? She should just continue to be openly hostile to whoever she wants, and she needs warnings beforehand? Imagine if your doctor talked down to you like that because you refused a vaccine and she felt slighted by your attempt to tell her how to do her job.


I was told during my interview and subsequent hiring communications that ArenaNet respected my willingness to speak up on issues in the industry and had no desire to muzzle me, Price said. I had, in my time there, zero warnings about my social media use. Everything I said on Twitter was consistent with what Ive been saying for years and how Ive been saying it.
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 10:57:38 AM
#256:


voldothegr8 posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
https://twitter.com/opxspace/status/1016873103840796672

"We 100% stand behind employees who treat our customers like shit"
Not a good look. It's like these people just ignore she has a documented history of being shitty and was fired in the past for it.


"they're all wrong but us"
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:04:17 AM
#259:


GregShmedley posted...
Frisbee getting bodied in his own topic so he has no choice but to act like a troll.

Truly must be a miserable life.


Industry peers and several journalism outfits vs...a couple reddit pages and some gamers who are upset that there are people who disagree with the decision to fire her and are whining about those coming out in support of her

yeah...IM the miserable one lmfao
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darkjedilink
07/11/18 11:06:18 AM
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I'm curious why his Deroir's comments were considered 'talking down' or 'telli g her how to do her job' when he made them as part of her AMA on their writing process?
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FLUFFYGERM
07/11/18 11:06:21 AM
#262:


GregShmedley posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
IM the miserable one

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SavenForever
07/11/18 11:09:58 AM
#263:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
GregShmedley posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
IM the miserable one

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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:12:12 AM
#264:


GregShmedley posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
IM the miserable one


yeah...you're definitely not upset.
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:15:25 AM
#266:


*calls me miserable*

*proceeds to misquote me in multiple posts*

lmao keep up the fight, brother. you're totally not triggered or anything
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KainFourteh
07/11/18 11:21:33 AM
#267:


FrisbeeDude posted...
it's her bad luck she worked for a company that capitulated to butthurt gamerbros crying about some feminist double standards, but the reaction from the industry suggests she'll be alright


You act like this is her first offence. It isn't. She was likely already on thin ice to begin with.

Barely anyone has come to her defence and certainly nobody worth listening to.

Only people that will touch her at this point are militant feminists who behave in the same disrespectful way she does.
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KainFourteh
07/11/18 11:25:32 AM
#269:


FrisbeeDude posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
https://twitter.com/opxspace/status/1016873103840796672

"We 100% stand behind employees who treat our customers like shit"
Not a good look. It's like these people just ignore she has a documented history of being shitty and was fired in the past for it.


"they're all wrong but us"


That's exactly narrow mind set creatures like her and yourself have.
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:26:10 AM
#270:


"No one has come to her defense....but the people who did dont matter"

how many times are yall gonna repeat some variation of this before you realize how hilariously stupid it sounds?
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:26:57 AM
#271:


KainFourteh posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
https://twitter.com/opxspace/status/1016873103840796672

"We 100% stand behind employees who treat our customers like shit"
Not a good look. It's like these people just ignore she has a documented history of being shitty and was fired in the past for it.


"they're all wrong but us"


That's exactly narrow mind set creatures like her and yourself have.


....its literally what gamergaters are shouting right now

saying "no u" doesn't really work here
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:28:24 AM
#272:


GregShmedley posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
*calls me miserable*

*proceeds to misquote me in multiple posts*

lmao keep up the fight, brother. you're totally not triggered or anything


This doesn't even make sense lol. Hell, I'm putting forth less effort than you are.


*calls someone, who wasnt even talking to them, miserable*

*proceeds to intentionally misquote them in multiple posts*

dat ironing doe
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NibeIungsnarf
07/11/18 11:29:04 AM
#273:


FrisbeeDude posted...

....its literally what gamergaters are shouting right now

saying "no u" doesn't really work here

How are you not doing the same?
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KainFourteh
07/11/18 11:29:20 AM
#274:


FrisbeeDude posted...
"No one has come to her defense....but the people who did dont matter"

how many times are yall gonna repeat some variation of this before you realize how hilariously stupid it sounds?


You're delusional.

The people that defend her completely misrepresent the facts to paint her as some kind of victim, like you for example.

They don't matter because they aren't telling the truth, or outright ignore the facts as they're given. Her posting history alone shows she is not in any way a victim.
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KainFourteh
07/11/18 11:30:47 AM
#275:


FrisbeeDude posted...
KainFourteh posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
https://twitter.com/opxspace/status/1016873103840796672

"We 100% stand behind employees who treat our customers like shit"
Not a good look. It's like these people just ignore she has a documented history of being shitty and was fired in the past for it.


"they're all wrong but us"


That's exactly narrow mind set creatures like her and yourself have.


....its literally what gamergaters are shouting right now

saying "no u" doesn't really work here


Aside from outright bullshit you've posted this is pretty much all you've done this entire sad topic.
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PlsGodDontBanMe
07/11/18 11:33:25 AM
#277:


Hes just legitimately trolling guys, the topics over, people who think arenanet made a mistake are completely incorrect so lets just move on honestly
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:35:36 AM
#278:


PlsGodDontBanMe posted...
Hes just legitimately trolling guys, the topics over, people who think arenanet made a mistake are completely incorrect so lets just move on honestly


lmao exactly. let the topic die, retreat to Kotaku in Action and continue to celebratory circle jerk

"We got one! Everyone saying firing her was an overreaction is wrong and biased and corrupt! Hail pepe!"
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:40:03 AM
#280:


GregShmedley posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
PlsGodDontBanMe posted...
Hes just legitimately trolling guys, the topics over, people who think arenanet made a mistake are completely incorrect so lets just move on honestly


lmao exactly. let the topic die, retreat to Kotaku in Action and continue to celebratory circle jerk

"We got one! Everyone saying firing her was an overreaction is wrong and biased and corrupt! Hail pepe!"


Yiiiikes. I'd hope you are trolling because this is just sad.


I have the same feeling when I see users handwave multiple outlets and peers of hers supporting her and criticizing her former boss's decision
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 11:43:41 AM
#282:


thinking that because she had a vagina she shouldn't have been let go

"I'm not a misogynist! I swear!"
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Rimmer_Dall
07/11/18 12:21:04 PM
#284:


Brad exposing some of the hypocrisy of the people complaining about the firing.

https://twitter.com/Brad_Glasgow/status/1016893921094496256
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 12:22:11 PM
#285:


The person that jump on her twitter was an asshat but she fucked up by using her twitter which is associated with the company to call him that. It was just a dumb move.

It was harsh for her being fired bu that stuff is typical nowadays in all industries. It sucks though because imo it shouldn't be that way. You shouldn't be able to lose your livelihood over what you do in the internet in your personal time especially when someone confronted you

The other employee also should not have been fired. He was just defending a coworker and didnt use any bad words or insults
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 12:24:14 PM
#287:


Stfu he was an asshat. One of those youtubers who think they know it all
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l Dudeboy l
07/11/18 12:26:51 PM
#288:


Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...
Stfu he was an asshat. One of those youtubers who think they know it all


How was he being an asshat?
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 12:30:27 PM
#290:


being called an asshat is apparently a cardinal sin in gamerbro culture. funny how they're one of the loudest groups when it comes to whining about people being overly sensitive
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CasualGuy
07/11/18 12:32:36 PM
#292:


I'm pretty sure you could pick out a random columnist from a college newspaper team and they'd be a more professional writer than a Polygon writer
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Dragonblade01
07/11/18 12:33:47 PM
#293:


As I've said:

Even were it the case that the guy was being an asshat, her reaction and subsequent behavior was absolutely reasonable grounds for termination.
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Coffeebeanz
07/11/18 12:40:46 PM
#294:


If you're representing the company but go against the company's standards, you open yourself up to being reprimanded or fired. It's not complicated.
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 12:41:30 PM
#295:


You know what you guys are right I am wrong. She opened herself to discussion when she made that comment

After she made it clear that she wasn't interested in his advice though he shou.d have backed off. She also fucked up in calling him an asshat. It's obvious you don't do that on social media with a company linked account. Maybe if it was on facebook or something and she wasn't advertising she was a game dev then it'd be cool
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 12:42:16 PM
#296:


Its still petty to lose a career over something so juvenile but thats the world we live in today oh well
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l Dudeboy l
07/11/18 12:45:03 PM
#297:


Good of you to admit your mistake @Tony_Biggie_Pun.
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 1:02:52 PM
#298:


Thanks yeah I was wrong. I was looking at all the paragraphs and rushed to judgement thinking he was in the wrong. The whole interaction was silly

It basically went

"I don't believe MMORPGs can be made character compelling"
"Hey I disagree, I believe they can be made character compelling and heres my ideas on how!"
"DON'T TELL ME HOW TO DO MY JOB DUDE"

Why make a broad general statement on a whole genre of gaming on twitter if you don't want any feedback? Obviously people who really care about the genre would feel a way and want to put in their two cents so that maybe the can see improvements in the games they play in the future. Especially when its a statement like that can be negative to a games quality. It would be like a fighting game dev saying fighting games cant be made fun and balanced
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 1:12:56 PM
#299:


I still think she shouldn't have been fired though. It should have been handled a different way. It takes so much work to get a career in that field
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LightHawKnight
07/11/18 1:23:08 PM
#300:


Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...
I still think she shouldn't have been fired though. It should have been handled a different way. It takes so much work to get a career in that field


Wasn't she fired from her last job for the same reasons?
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Tony_Biggie_Pun
07/11/18 1:26:39 PM
#301:


Damn if thats true then she's not learning. All you have to do is do your job, collect the bag and not mess it up over social media bs lol

If that was me I wouldn't even bother with anyone on twitter who cares lol
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MrPeppers
07/11/18 1:28:05 PM
#302:


Dragonblade01 posted...
As I've said:

Even were it the case that the guy was being an asshat, her reaction and subsequent behavior was absolutely reasonable grounds for termination.


Ding ding ding! Literally end of discussion.
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