Current Events > Starbucks' straw ban actually uses more plastic

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https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/12/starbucks-straw-ban-will-see-the-company

tl,dr: the amount of plastic used by the new lid is actually higher than that of the old lid/straw combo, meaning MORE plastic will end up in the dump, not less.

Yay, environment!
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Starbucks executive have never made any smart decisions >_>
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Straws are more dangerous to life forms because of their size, though. It's the smaller plastics that get trapped in organisms.
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Hey, at least they won't get stuck in a turtle nose.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Straws are more dangerous to life forms because of their size, though. It's the smaller plastics that get trapped in organisms.

All plastics become microplastics. If you read the article, you'd know that straws are less dangerous long-term.
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darkjedilink posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Straws are more dangerous to life forms because of their size, though. It's the smaller plastics that get trapped in organisms.

All plastics become microplastics. If you read the article, you'd know that straws are more dangerous long-term.

fixed. never forget what happens with those straws and sea turtles. we learned what happens.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Hey, at least they won't get stuck in a turtle nose.

That sounds like a dare.

Questionmarktarius posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Hey, at least they won't get stuck in a turtle nose.

That sounds like a dare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wH878t78bw" data-time="
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kingdrake2 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Straws are more dangerous to life forms because of their size, though. It's the smaller plastics that get trapped in organisms.

All plastics become microplastics. If you read the article, you'd know that straws are more dangerous long-term.

fixed. never forget what happens with those straws and sea turtles. we learned what happens.

That's literally false, and scientifically proven false.
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Starbucks is evil.
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ChainedRedone posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wH878t78bw" data-time="

If anything, this is why the news needs to stop blurring videos of "tragedy" or stopping two frames before anything actually happens, yet still warning about "graphic or disturbing content" anyway.

We were able to handle Budd Dwyer in the 80s, and we could handle some kid getting machete'd to death today - may even accomplish something, like straw-up-the-nose turtle just did.

Rant aside, those "sippy cup" lids have an opening just large enough for some dumb animal to get its head stuck in.

Eh, we should be moving away from plastic products in general, given how harmful they've been proven to be. At least some progress is being made...even if it involves taking a step back after taking a step forward, in this case.
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we will never forget Bud Dwyer he gave his life so his family would survive. the only non-corrupt politician. may his soul rest in peace.
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Eh. The fact the lids are recyclable is a huge thing and the article glosses over that pretty quickly, instead weakly mentioning problems with our recycling programs which is another issue in itself and has nothing to do with Starbucks or straws.

Also it nitpicks numbers from studies and then goes on to say disabled people are losing dignity and being but in a bad place? Cmon. How many people are possibly that badly effected because the straws are a different material?

It brings up good criticism but it totally downplays the same scrutiny of its own points.
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How does trash just "end up" in the ocean?
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rare rikasa sighting on ce
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And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

rikasa posted...

How does trash just "end up" in the ocean?

When Veggeta_X goes to the beach
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rikasa posted...

How does trash just "end up" in the ocean?

"Landfill" contracts that don't ask too many questions.
Also the occasional tsunami. There's still shit washing up on the west coast, from Japan.

Questionmarktarius posted...

rikasa posted...

How does trash just "end up" in the ocean?

"Landfill" contracts that don't ask too many questions.

Because humans fucking suck.
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Yeah, I guess it is literally just companies dumping tons and tons of trash into the water but the wording is always so passive like "the plastic just ends up there, always, can't help it" like it's migrating on its own
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rikasa posted...

How does trash just "end up" in the ocean?

In some countries, citizens use their rivers as a toilet/trash dump. It ends up funneling into the ocean.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

Pretty much all plastics are recyclable. Including the old lids, and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.
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so it really was just virtue signaling

lmfao
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kingdrake2 posted...

we will never forget Bud Dwyer he gave his life so his family would survive. the only non-corrupt politician. may his soul rest in peace.

But he was going to lose his job for corruption...
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darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

Pretty much all plastics are recyclable. Including the old lids, and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

The straws weren't recyclable.
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darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

Pretty much all plastics are recyclable. Including the old lids, and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

No the straws were not recyclable because of the size and density has Starbucks as stated multiple times

1337toothbrush posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

we will never forget Bud Dwyer he gave his life so his family would survive. the only non-corrupt politician. may his soul rest in peace.

But he was going to lose his job for corruption...

they later found out that he wasn't doing any corruption business ><.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

so it really was just virtue signaling

lmfao

Of course it was.
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These guys just cant get it right, can they?
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darkjedilink posted...

and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

The big problem is, they aren't marked as to what plastic they're made of.
They essentially have to treated as #7, which is basically a "lol, i dunno" catch-all.

pollution aside I don't know why they can't just use the hot drink lids, the huge openings on these new lids look big enough that it'd really easily splash around and spill out much more quickly as well

Questionmarktarius posted...

darkjedilink posted...

and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

The big problem is, they aren't marked as to what plastic they're made of.
They essentially have to treated as #7, which is basically a "lol, i dunno" catch-all.

I never understood this argument, anyway. So many cities do single-sort recycling, so why does it even matter?
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CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

Pretty much all plastics are recyclable. Including the old lids, and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

No the straws were not recyclable because of the size and density has Starbucks as stated multiple times

Is that why my single-sort recycling collection specifically says straws are okay to recycle?
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darkjedilink posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

darkjedilink posted...

and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

The big problem is, they aren't marked as to what plastic they're made of.
They essentially have to treated as #7, which is basically a "lol, i dunno" catch-all.

I never understood this argument, anyway. So many cities do single-sort recycling, so why does it even matter?

It gets sorted somewhere, just not at the bin.

I'm pretty sure most recycled shit ends up in incinerators/landfills anyway, because it's cheaper and uses less energy. It just makes people feel good.
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darkjedilink posted...

single-sort recycling

...which ends up costing more than the recyclables bring back in, especially so when plastics are involved.

Das why I get ma caffeey at da fawkin dawunks dood
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darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

Pretty much all plastics are recyclable. Including the old lids, and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

No the straws were not recyclable because of the size and density has Starbucks as stated multiple times

Is that why my single-sort recycling collection specifically says straws are okay to recycle?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/business/starbucks-plastic-straws.html

In the United States alone, an estimated more than 500 million disposable plastic straws are used every day, according to Eco-Cycle, a nonprofit recycling organization. Although plastic straws are made from polypropylene, a recyclable plastic, most recyclers wont accept them.

Plastic straws are pretty small and lightweight, so when theyre going through the mechanical sorter, theyre often lost or diverted, said Sam Athey, a plastics pollution researcher and member of the Plastic Ocean Project, a nonprofit based in Wilmington, N.C., that aims to reduce plastic use.

That means plastic straws get tossed in the garbage, ending up in landfills and polluting the ocean...

It is difficult to know how many straws or straw particles end up in the worlds waterways and oceans, but plastic straws are one of the most common items found on beaches, according to the Ocean Conservancy, whose volunteers have picked up more than 9 million straws and stirrers from beaches and waterways.

CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

And once again, the lids are recyclable. Many states and urban areas have these bins that are for recycling. Its a really a fascinating concept.

Pretty much all plastics are recyclable. Including the old lids, and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

No the straws were not recyclable because of the size and density has Starbucks as stated multiple times

Is that why my single-sort recycling collection specifically says straws are okay to recycle?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/business/starbucks-plastic-straws.html

In the United States alone, an estimated more than 500 million disposable plastic straws are used every day, according to Eco-Cycle, a nonprofit recycling organization. Although plastic straws are made from polypropylene, a recyclable plastic, most recyclers wont accept them.

Plastic straws are pretty small and lightweight, so when theyre going through the mechanical sorter, theyre often lost or diverted, said Sam Athey, a plastics pollution researcher and member of the Plastic Ocean Project, a nonprofit based in Wilmington, N.C., that aims to reduce plastic use.

That means plastic straws get tossed in the garbage, ending up in landfills and polluting the ocean...

It is difficult to know how many straws or straw particles end up in the worlds waterways and oceans, but plastic straws are one of the most common items found on beaches, according to the Ocean Conservancy, whose volunteers have picked up more than 9 million straws and stirrers from beaches and waterways.

So, they literally are recyclable.
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Uncle Choad posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

darkjedilink posted...

and pretty much every plastic straw in existence.

The big problem is, they aren't marked as to what plastic they're made of.
They essentially have to treated as #7, which is basically a "lol, i dunno" catch-all.

I never understood this argument, anyway. So many cities do single-sort recycling, so why does it even matter?

It gets sorted somewhere, just not at the bin.

I'm pretty sure most recycled shit ends up in incinerators/landfills anyway, because it's cheaper and uses less energy. It just makes people feel good.

I am, too, which is another reason why this move by Starbucks is worse for the environment than literally not making any changes whatsoever.
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darkjedilink posted...

So, they literally are recyclable.

Sure, were anyone along the way not too lazy to sort them from the other plastics and toss them into a "polypropylene" dumpster.

Starbucks is just an opportunistic company that jumps on whatever social trend is going to get them the most free coverage. If you peel back the layer of insincere activism, you find most of the shit they do doesn't help anyone other than themselves.

My personal feeling is that as long as they continue to gender segregate in the middle east they can fuck right off with pretending they care about anything.
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So, this was just virtue signaling...
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s0nicfan posted...

My personal feeling is that as long as they continue to gender segregate in the middle east they can fuck right off with pretending they care about anything.

Any source? That seems like a fun read.

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

My personal feeling is that as long as they continue to gender segregate in the middle east they can fuck right off with pretending they care about anything.

Any source? That seems like a fun read.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/02/09/Saudi-Starbucks-fixes-gender-wall-allows-women-back-in-store/9351455045901/
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Or maybe we can have "Bring your own Drink Container" & "Bring Your own Re-useable Straw"

This would allow you buy refreshments by volume and pay by volume.

Less Trash going into the Landfill / needing to be recycled.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Or maybe we can have "Bring your own Drink Container" & "Bring Your own Re-useable Straw"

This would allow you buy refreshments by volume and pay by volume.

Less Trash going into the Landfill / needing to be recycled.

Starbucks already encourages this and gives a discount when you do. Have for a long time.
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s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

My personal feeling is that as long as they continue to gender segregate in the middle east they can fuck right off with pretending they care about anything.

Any source? That seems like a fun read.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/02/09/Saudi-Starbucks-fixes-gender-wall-allows-women-back-in-store/9351455045901/

Thanks.
But, were an italian chain to start spreading over here, we'd likely demand they not sell horse.

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

My personal feeling is that as long as they continue to gender segregate in the middle east they can fuck right off with pretending they care about anything.

Any source? That seems like a fun read.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/02/09/Saudi-Starbucks-fixes-gender-wall-allows-women-back-in-store/9351455045901/

Thanks.
But, were an italian chain to start spreading over here, we'd likely demand they not sell horse.

And that'd be fine. Businesses adapt to the cultures of the country they operate in all the time. Most businesses don't ALSO try to gain activist cred for constantly inserting themselves into social issues like Starbucks does, though.
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s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

My personal feeling is that as long as they continue to gender segregate in the middle east they can fuck right off with pretending they care about anything.

Any source? That seems like a fun read.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/02/09/Saudi-Starbucks-fixes-gender-wall-allows-women-back-in-store/9351455045901/

Thanks.
But, were an italian chain to start spreading over here, we'd likely demand they not sell horse.

And that'd be fine. Businesses adapt to the cultures of the country they operate in all the time. Most businesses don't ALSO try to gain activist cred for constantly inserting themselves into social issues like Starbucks does, though.

Okay, you do have a point there.